can non radioamators use APRS.fi to report there location from android phone ?

[Ari Thor]

can non radioamators use APRS.fi with items like android phone ? 

Here in Iceland we have jeep club 4X4 that travel a lot on the ice and in deep snow up in the mountains ..  There like this concepts and like to report there location from there android phone ?   so the famely at home can follow them on the internet.

Will owner of APRS.fi accept it ?  and if YES what callsign could there use as there are no radioamator ?  there car registration or ?

73

Ari

TF3ARI

[Heikki Hannikainen]

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014, Ari Thor wrote:

> can non radioamators use APRS.fi with items like android phone ? 

The web site, yes.

But they can not connect to the APRS-IS using android apps such as
aprsdroid, because the APRS-IS is reserved for amateur radio traffic.
Packets on the APRS-IS are quite regularly retransmitted back on amateur
radio frequencies. Having non-hams there would easily violate the license
conditions of the RF-internet gateway stations, forcing those gateways to
shut down.

- Hessu

[Ari Thor]

but that would be the RF-internet gateway stations that brake the rule, retransmit the non mator callsign to ham radio band ?

Ari

[Heikki Hannikainen]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2014, Ari Thor wrote:

> but that would be the RF-internet gateway stations that brake the rule, retransmit the non mator callsign to ham radio band ?Ari

The gateways are allowed to transmit amateur radio traffic from internet
to RF (from APRS-IS to RF - APRS-IS is supposed to only have amateur
traffic on it).

If you put non-amateur on APRS-IS, you are making those gateways
potentially transmit non-amateur traffic on RF. The gateways will figure
out they're violating their licenses, and they need to shut down to avoid
that, and they will be angry at you, and we (myself included) will be
angry at you, since we no longer have the gateways on the network.

So, please, don't go that way, we'd be very unhappy.

> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:11:07 AM UTC, Heikki Hannikainen wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2014, Ari Thor wrote:
>
> > can non radioamators use APRS.fi with items like android phone ? 
>
> The web site, yes.
>
> But they can not connect to the APRS-IS using android apps such as
> aprsdroid, because the APRS-IS is reserved for amateur radio traffic.
> Packets on the APRS-IS are quite regularly retransmitted back on amateur
> radio frequencies. Having non-hams there would easily violate the license
> conditions of the RF-internet gateway stations, forcing those gateways to
> shut down.
>
>    - Hessu
>

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- Hessu

[Ari Thor]

Hi
That was the answer I was looking for, So answer would be " non amator callsign may not use APRS.fi " Correct ?
Ari

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[Heikki Hannikainen]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2014, Ari Thor wrote:

> That was the answer I was looking for, So answer would be " non amator callsign may not use APRS.fi " Correct ?

No, not quite correct.

Non-amateurs may not use the APRS-IS service (using common mobile phone
apps such as aprsdroid), since that network is only for amateurs.

Non-amateurs *may* use aprs.fi, the web site, directly on the web.

http://wiki.ham.fi/Aprs.fi_Web_stations

[Andrew Elwell]

Hi Heikki,

On 18 March 2014 20:37, Heikki Hannikainen <he...@hes.iki.fi> wrote:
> Non-amateurs *may* use aprs.fi, the web site, directly on the web.
> http://wiki.ham.fi/Aprs.fi_Web_stations

Related follow-up Q then:

Is there a way for a non-ham to send telemetry and/or weather
information directly to aprs.fi -- I can see the route for WX
reporting is from weather station -> CWOP -> aprs.fi, but is there a
'direct' route?

Many thanks

Andrew
(plan B is to get my VK6* licence - work in progress...)

[Fred Hillhouse]

A friend of mine uses a Cumulus with his weather hardware.
http://sandaysoft.com/products/cumulus

I think that will work for you. When You get you license, then you can
update the Cumulus settings to include your call sign, etc.

Best regards,
Fred N7FMH

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[Andrew Elwell]

Hi Fred,

> A friend of mine uses a Cumulus with his weather hardware.
> http://sandaysoft.com/products/cumulus

Ah - Apart from the fact it's windows only, -- won't work terribly
well when I'm trying to code it into a small/embedded system :-) --
I'm logging external temp/humidity and would be interested in
comparing it with "validated" local equivalent recordings