Artificial Intelligence in AvareX

[Apps4av Support]

Hi All

AvareX is starting with AI and cloud features in release 72+ on iOS and Android. These features are paid.

This is the first time in 12 years of Apps4Av we are charging for a service. 

While we strive to bring free and open source apps, ads free, this is impossible with AI services because the costs are prohibitive. 

For this reason, all AI services are paid and you will need to register and pay $5 per month for these services. We might add other paid features like fuel prices under this menu when the revenue model is established and we have money to pay for paid third party content.

If you need to try out, we can hand over free accounts for a limited time via reply to this email.

** All current features remain free **

How to AI - 

It is available under Flight Intelligence (Pro Services), and to get to it, you will need to press the "Pilot" incon on the top right on the Map screen. You will then register an account, and then sign up for a monthly subscription.

Initial testing shows a lot of promise. You can upload your logbook, plan, or airplane flight manual, and ask questions like - Am I instrument current? or Give me the minimum altitude for my IFR flight plan, or Describe the fuel system of my airplane.

See the attached picture for AI in action. Possibilities are limitless.

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[Curtis Miller]

If this be the case, I believe I will be backing away from AvareX :(

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[Apps4av Support]

You have given no reason for leaving. Is it AI, or is it payment? 

If it is payment, then you can continue using it without paying (but you will not get access to AI), if it is AI then you do not need to use it and it will be inactive till you pay and upload data to it.

 

[Curtis Miller]

Aaaah... Great answer!!! If that be the case... I'm all in:)  Thanks for clarifying! Part of my reason was pay but bigger reason was AI...

Thanks!!!

[Apps4av Support]

Maybe look at this answer from AvareX and then decide if AI is not for you.

Question - give me the best altitude for my flight plan and given aircraft.

Answer -

Based on your flight plan, aircraft, and the provided weather data, here is a recommendation for the best cruising altitude.

### 1. Flight Plan & Aircraft Summary

*   **Aircraft:** Cessna 172S Skyhawk SP (Based on the provided Pilot's Operating Handbook).

*   **Route:** KBOS (Boston, MA) to KHFD (Hartford, CT).

*   **Distance:** Approximately 87 NM.

*   **Magnetic Course:** Approximately 245°, which is a **westerly** direction of flight.

### 2. Analysis

**VFR Cruising Altitude Rule (FAR 91.159):**

For a VFR flight on a magnetic course between 180° and 359°, you must maintain an **even thousand-foot altitude plus 500 feet** (e.g., 4,500', 6,500', 8,500' MSL).

**Winds Aloft:**

The winds are favorable at all potential altitudes, providing a significant tailwind.

*   **3,000 ft:** 260° @ 23 kts

*   **6,000 ft:** 260° @ 21 kts

*   **9,000 ft:** 270° @ 32 kts

*   **12,000 ft:** 260° @ 41 kts

**Aircraft Performance (Cessna 172S):**

*   The service ceiling is 14,000 feet, making all standard VFR altitudes below this achievable.

*   As a normally aspirated aircraft, the Cessna 172S achieves better true airspeed (TAS) and fuel efficiency (Nautical Miles Per Gallon) at higher altitudes, with a "sweet spot" typically between 6,000 and 9,000 feet. The POH specifies a cruise speed of **124 KTAS at 8,500 feet** (75% power).

*   For a short flight of ~87 NM, the time spent climbing is a significant factor and can offset the time saved from a stronger tailwind.

### 3. Altitude Options & Recommendation

Here’s a breakdown of the most practical options:

| Altitude | Pros | Cons |

| :--- | :--- | :--- |

| **4,500' MSL** | • **Fastest overall trip time** due to short climb.<br>• Still benefits from a good tailwind (~22 kts). | • Less fuel efficient.<br>• More likely to encounter turbulence and other VFR traffic. |

| **6,500' MSL** | • **Excellent balance** of speed, efficiency, and comfort.<br>• Stronger tailwind (~26 kts) and better fuel economy than 4,500'.<br>• Moderate climb time for this distance. | • Slightly longer total time than 4,500'. |

| **8,500' MSL** | • **Most fuel-efficient cruise** and a very strong tailwind (~32 kts).<br>• Takes advantage of the 172S's optimal cruise performance.<br>• Likely the smoothest ride. | • The longer climb time will make this the slowest option for this short flight. |

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### **Primary Recommendation: 6,500 feet MSL**

This altitude provides the best overall balance for your flight. You will take advantage of a strong tailwind and smoother air, resulting in good groundspeed and fuel efficiency, without the significant time penalty of climbing to a higher altitude on this relatively short leg.

#### **Alternative Recommendations:**

*   **For the Fastest Trip:** Choose **4,500 feet MSL**. If minimizing your total flight time is the top priority and you are comfortable with a potentially bumpier ride, this will be your quickest option.

*   **For Maximum Efficiency & Comfort:** Choose **8,500 feet MSL**. If fuel savings and the smoothest possible ride are your main goals, and you don't mind adding approximately 5-10 minutes to your total flight time, this altitude takes full advantage of both the aircraft's performance and the favorable winds.

**Note on Higher Altitudes:** Altitudes of 10,500' or 12,500' are not recommended for this short distance. The extended climb time would negate any wind advantage, and flights above 12,500' for more than 30 minutes would legally require the use of supplemental oxygen.

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[John W 4sba]

Apps4av wrote:
> AvareX is starting with AI and cloud features in release 72+

Wow that's a great option. Kudos on the planning and work that went into it.

> $5 per month for [AI] services. We might add other paid features

I like that it's completely optional, and that it's just $5/mo for those
who want the features. I can't think of a single thing related to flying
that's not a multiple of $5. I also like that it's enough to help defray
Apps4Av expenses, and hopefully also some compensation for the Dev
Team's tireless work.

Congratulations and Thanks!
John

[John Schreiber]

Yes, it is a great option that we don't have to pay for something that is hallucinating. Those winds straight up are a headwind, not a tailwind. If the wind is 260 at 23 knots, I'm going to take off from a runway like 27. 

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[Apps4av Support]

AI is as good as input. While I agree that it hallucinates but it's gotten much better at not. The app gave it winds that is non standard and it used it literally. I will fix that. It needs tuning but it's surprising me every day. You won't need your CFI to answer questions for you in near future.

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[vzfw Steinraud]

Greetings:

How will this handle someone that routinely flys 3 to 4 different aircraft on 3 different platforms (Android phone and two tablets)?

Kenneth Steenrod

SEL Commercial, Complex, IFR, Tail Wheel, Advanced Ground Instructor, A&P

Owner/Manager Squadron Field 11K

18742 McKinnley Lake Road Parsons Kansas, 67357 USA Home 620-763-2325 Cell 620-778-9577

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[Apps4av Support]

Greetings Kenneth

That's a very good point. Currently it will handle one plane per account or you can upload a manual when you need to query for that plane and keep changing manual for every plane. You may use same account on many tablets though and the data will be shared between your tablets. 

We will evolve it but we need help users guide it in the right direction. 

I can hand out free accounts for testing as long as it does not skyrocket our AI bills.

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