Need Help! ALTITUDE ON NEW Samsung 9+ not updating

[Diane Cook]

We’ve been using Avare for a year with our Light Sport Aircraft. It’s worked great with my husband’s Droid Maxx and my Samsung 7Edge, though the altitudes when sitting side by side in the plane have disagreed a bit (+/-100 ft, or so) and always a bit off the altimeter in the plane, as well.

Now, I got a new phone, a Samsung 9+, and the altitude is just fixed. If I exit Avare and reopen it, or if I open google maps it seems to toggle a reset to about current altitude, but it still fixes at that new level, til next toggle, which not very helpful...... My husband got my old 7Edge, and it’s working fine, with the small discrepancy noted above, from the airplane’s altimeter.

I’ve compared all settings between the two phones with the old droid Maxx, and everything is identical. All are working on Verizon, and we have good coverage. I also uninstalled and re-installed Avare...still not working. Older phones adjust even when I'm walking down the hill.

Any help would be very appreciated!

Thanks!
Diane Cook

[Zubair Khan]

Hi
Please try another GPS app or even try an app from store that can reset your GPS. Compare altitude in that app.
Z


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[Diane Cook]

Thanks. I had an altitude app (called altitude) anddownloaded gps reset com, and both show altitude changing constantly as I walk the hills here in Tucson, but Avare still freezes on the initial start point, resetting only when toggled off on, I tried resetting via the new gps reset com app, and it said it was successfully reset, but Avare is still frozen. I restarted the phone to see if that might do the trick....nothing.....somehow Avare is freezing the altitude at the initial point, while other apps seem to be adjusting with movement just fine. (Btw, locacation is fine in all apps, including Avare.) Any other ideas?

[John W SBA]

> new phone, a Samsung 9+, and the altitude is just fixed.

Something that may be irrelevant but worth a moment to check, is whether
the Android location service is using GPS only. On my antique (1.5 year
old) S7 phone, it's Settings/Location/LocatingMethod/PhoneOnly

This is not what Google calls "High Accuracy" because it ignores cell
and wifi triangulation, which is "2D" in that it has no altitude
information. Google wants to map every cell and wifi transmitter for
use with their Maps app and all the other things phones use to determine
and share our location. As a result, it seems every new version of
Android makes it harder for me to turn that "service" off and only use
the GPS.

Avare only uses the GPS for location (including altitude), ignoring
Google's cell triangulation "service" since it's not safe for aviation.
That's why I turn on Airplane Mode in flight to reduce avionics
interference potential and save battery. (turning on WiFi after Airplane
Mode allows WiFi only for my Stratux, w/o cell or data)

Anyway, you might check whether turning on Airplane Mode and changing
your phone's Location setting to "Phone Only" (GPS) makes any difference
in the reported altitude.

[Diane Cook]

Thanks, John. Gave it a try (and made a note to change whatever phone we are using to phone only gps, and airplane mode when we fly)...but no luck, altitude is still fixed and only adjusts when I restart Avare. Altitude is moving normally on other apps on the new phone, and on Avare on older phones. Good news is I'm getting lots of excercise, walking the hills!

Hoping someone comes up with suggestion that will get it working! Seems like it's got to be a setting somewhere, maybe in Avare.

[John W SBA]

> no luck, altitude is still fixed

Glad it was easy to try at least. :}

> Hoping someone comes up with suggestion that will get it working!

Since it's working on your other devices, a quick fix would be to
install the free open source Avare Bluetooth GPS app on one of the other
devices and feed location data to your S9 from that. An advantage to
there is the GPS source device can be optimally placed for GPS reception
and feed any number of other devices.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apps4av.bluetoothgps

> I'm getting lots of excercise, walking the hills!

Always look on the bright side, eh? ;)

> Seems like it's got to be a setting somewhere, maybe in Avare.

That's my guess too. Since you've compared settings with the other
devices (esp. Map/Menu/Preferences/GPS/GPSpositionSource/InternalOnly -
though AllAvailable works fine on my S7) and presumably have
Map/Menu/Simulation set to Map/Menu/Navigate.

The only other thing that comes to mind for me at the moment is a
conflict with another app on your S9. I've read that some apps don't
play by the rules, and will hijack the internal GPS. So you could use
Android's Settings/Apps to Disable anything that's using GPS. If you
find the culprit and don't want to Uninstall it you could Disable prior
to Avare and Enable afterward.

My personal preference is to turn off *everything* I don't actively use.
This has resulted in zero problems with Avare (which DOES play by the
rules). It also provides a week per battery charge vs the 10-12 hours
per charge when the phone was new with just the factory and Verizon
bloatware all running and none of the hungry 3rd party apps installed
yet. Every new version of Android, every new phone from Samsung, and
every new update from Verizon seems to come with more bloatware. If
it's not a 3rd party app, maybe the S9 has something new?

[Diane Cook]

I sure can’t find any rogue apps that are new, or not on the 7Edge, using gps. At least we have one unit operational. But I really liked having second phone as backup, and figured same phone would make it easy...ha! Though plane does have Garmin, still I prefer being able to set up the flight plan at home. Maybe someone will come up with something!
Really appreciate your suggestions.

[fly...@yahoo.com]

Hi Diane.
Try and eliminate some of the things, I am sure you are not using Avare IO, but just in case other things interfere, try one thing at the time:
1-Menu > Preferences > GPS >Internal only  and enable Short GPS Update Period   if no joy
2-In your Settings, in the device, >Applications > Avare > Permissions confirm you gave Avare All.
3-In your Settings,  disable the Location using WiFi, just use GPS.

Post your OS / Device information and where is Avare installed? TV

[Zubair Khan]

Avare uses just GPS while other apps use cell signal for information along with GPS. I am suspecting issue with the phone. Can you go to store and try same model.? If you have a bad GPS you need to replace your phone while its in warranty.

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On Apr 11, 2018, 12:06 PM, Diane Cook < dcoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Diane Cook]

Thanks, I did confirm as all settings, on device and Avare, then did a gps reset..voila something must h as ve toggled a fix...its been working perfectly. Now two phones report very similar as r GPS, and it's close to the plane and altimeter. Yippee!

[br...@aerobrent.com]

Hi - I have a new Motorola phone that is behaving the same way as yours did.  How did you do a GPS reset on your phone?  Was it a built in function, or did you need to download an app?