Avare & Garmin GTX 345 Transponder

[Ray Svobodny]

Will Avare & Garmin GTX 345 Transponder work together?  If not, are there plans to display Garmin GTX 345 information?

[Rivpilot]

I've asked this question before in the External I/O Plugin compatible devices 
thread.  So far no answer.

[Darren Mattos]

My club is considering buying the Garmin GTX 345.  Does anyone have one installed to test this out?

[John W SBA]

> My club is considering buying the Garmin GTX 345. Does anyone have one
> installed to test this out?

I don't, but here's a google search:
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22avare%22+GTX+345&btnG=Search

Please post any info you find.

Thanks :)

[Rivpilot]

My club installed the gtx345 in Sept 2016. I could never get it to connect to the IO app. Works with Garmin Pilot app.

[Darren Mattos]

Thank you for posting.

Well at least I'll get my custom TIS-B puck via Stratux when we get one installed.

Does anyone know of a transponder that will work with the IO app?

[command...@gmail.com]

The Lynx NGT-9000 is working well.

[kansas plane]

I share the same sentiment. With more people upgrading to adsb via Garmin this would be a really useful feature. Our club plane has the 345 and it currently only works with garmin pilot and foreflight.

[Darren Mattos]

Any update? More and more I'm seeing this transponder. I see apps other than Garmin Pilot are compatible such as flight plan go for android. Looks like Garmin is opening up to third parties.

[William Hodges]

I recently installed a GTX345 in my 64 Mooney. When will scare be able to talk to it?

[Jeffrey Ross]

Probably not happening any time soon if at all. Garmin does not want to talk to anybody else but their own equipment this their data stream would need to be reverse engineered, this takes a lot of time along with access to an operating unit. This is the main reason I did not install a Garmin ADS-B unit in my aircraft and why I will not install any additional Garmin equipment in my panel going forward.

When I looked for a transponder I looked for one that supported GDL90 as I knew I could use any EFB I chose and not forced to use one or two specific ones that Garmin blessed.

At Oshkosh I asked a few vendors about interfacing with Garmin stuff and I got pretty much the same answer from everybody, Garmin is not interested in sharing their data stream format with anybody.

Jeff

[William Hodges]

I asked Garmin about this and they basically confirmed what you just said. I can't believe I have installed a top dollar device in my airplane and do NOT have the best product available!! I fired off the following reply to Garmin:

>> I am disappointed. I just spent the better part of $8000 installing a GTX345 in my 1964 Mooney. I went with your product instead of your competition because Foreflight was not available in the Android platform and I am not going to Apple to get it. The Android options are Garmin Pilot or Avare. For my VFR needs I prefer frugal options where possible. Now, after spending over $1500 more for your product you are telling me I do NOT have the best product available for my hard earned money. When I spend top dollar for a product, I want the best available. Garmin obviously does not feel the same way.

I am sorry you do not see it the same way I do. >>>>

[John W SBA]

> I recently installed a GTX345 in my 64 Mooney.

Unless/until you get a Garmin that will interface with it, you could
just self-install a Stratux (3M pull-tab removable velcro if you worry
about ramp checks). Dual-channel ADS-B In for maybe a bit over a
hundred bucks that's cool with Avare and will work with most any app.
Nice because anyone else in the plane can use it too if inclined.

[CarlK]

Fltplan go is not a third party since they are now opened by Garmin. But it is a free Android option.
Thanks,
Carl

[William Hodges]

Thank you for your email response.  It seems like a good alternative in the short term.  If Garmin wants to buy me one to clean up their mess, I will gladly accept.  In the meantime I intend to do everything I can to force them to fix the problem so no other pilot has to go through this.  If you have any suggestions as to how to get the word out please let me know.  

I have written a formal complaint to Garmin, and a write up to DC Pilots Yahoo Group, and forwarded both to the editor of the Aviation Consumer.  

William"Pete" Hodges

640-379-9303

[John W SBA]

> If Garmin wants to buy me one to clean up their mess

Surely they'll be contacting you about that. ;)

> I have written a formal complaint to Garmin, and...

Thanks for your efforts on behalf of all aviation. Still, their
calculation on risk:benefit ratio seems to have been set. It's an
interesting race, open vs. closed. I guess those of us reading this
Forum tend to favor open.

[Peter A. Gustafson]

Sadly, I think a formal complaint (after install) would be greeted
internally as a success story... ie "we locked in another garmin pilot
subscription for 20 years".  I'm not interested in buying anything
Garmin in future until they change their approach.

[Jeff Johnson]

I went with the 335 for my ADS-B because it is $1,000.00 cheaper than the 345. As much as I hate Garmin, their stuff works for a long time. I've been using a Stratux for years to get ADS-B in and it works great! I couldn't see spending 10X the money to have Garmin give me what I already have... "Let's see... should I spend $1,000 to get ADS-B in, or stay with my $100 option that I can replace in a day if it breaks... hmmm... decisions, decisions..."

[Brian]

I just got the GTX 345R.  I guess I assumed that it would provide data to Avare and am very disappointed that it doesn't.  I guess I'll send an email to Garmin but I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears.

[Peter Gustafson]

I believe (but am not certain) they have a contract with FF.  They also have their own product and very likely don't want free/open competitors.  They have intentionally broken compatibility in the past where it had existed.  Hence there are no plans to reverse engineer their protocol... The marketplace can and should decide. (They have a few products which can be used with avare.)

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[John W SBA]

> They have intentionally broken compatibility in the past

Luckily there are inexpensive ADS-B In receiver alternatives, enabling
redundancy and diversity. Render unto Garmin... (find a way to display
their data), and use something more affordable and compatible for Avare.
Our club has Garmin and a StratuX in every aircraft, and sometimes
it's handy to have both.

[Brian]

From Garmin:

Thank you for contacting Garmin International.

The GTX 345 ADS-B weather and traffic data is only able to be displayed on the Garmin Pilot and Foreflight Mobile apps.  AVARE does not currently hold a licensing agreement nor the capability to display Garmin data within their app.  The only option you have for Android-based devices is the Garmin Pilot app (ForeFlight is not currently Android-capable).  We provide you with a 1 month free trial upon download, then our app starts at $79.99 USD/year.

Best Regards,

Garmin Aviation Support