A new update of IOS 17.3

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Barbara Davis

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Jan 23, 2024, 1:41:22 PMJan 23
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Hello everyone,

Yesterday I saw a new update of IOS 17.3 so I am wondering if anyone of you did update yet? How does it work with braille display? Any issues?

Please be hoenst and thank you

Barbara

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Mark Baxter

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Jan 23, 2024, 1:47:06 PMJan 23
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Hi, Barbara. Mark here.

I have updated to IOS17.3. Sadly, all the issues I had, and have discussed on this list before, still seem to be present. I have noticed no improvement, but there are no new bugs that I can identify yet. I am in contact with Apple Accessibility and they are gathering diagnostic logs about the issues I discussed earlier. But you're probably safe to update if you can deal with the status quo.

EOM

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Barbara Davis

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Jan 23, 2024, 2:02:31 PMJan 23
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Hell,

oh I see that is a very disappointment and it should improve as it says bugs fixed but it is not. I hate that idea.

I will wait becaus eI not want to screwed upmy magic eyboard with my iphone to be typing. I not want typing to be delay again just like IOS 14, IOS 15 for a very long time as it keeps freezing then finally IOS 16 fixed it then again abit for IOS 17 but fixd it when update. I not want to deal with a great struggled of typing is a very difficulty to get it done with e mail. I rather to wait to be on a safe side than get frustration too much.

Thank you for sharing.

Barbara

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Diana Brent

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Jan 23, 2024, 4:14:43 PMJan 23
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I also updated to 17.3. I am having no issues using braille with my phone. Things are tracking nicely as they were before. Sad to hear that Mark’s issues have remained the same.

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Barbara Davis

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Jan 23, 2024, 5:19:17 PMJan 23
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Hello diana,

Do you using magic keyboard pairing your iphone  to type with voiceover and bluetooth with braille display? When I am home I am using magic keyboard is easier for me to type with my iphone but when I am out I am using perkin keyboard. I hope that helps.

Barbara

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Jan 23, 2024, 7:40:09 PMJan 23
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I use my braille display, the Hable One, braille screen input or the touch screen keyboard on the phone.. I don’t use any QWERTY keyboards on my phone.

Barbara Davis

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Jan 23, 2024, 7:50:45 PMJan 23
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THank you I don’t ik to type long message with perkin keyboard that is why I pairing magic keyboard with my iphone to save my time and quickly way to typing than perkin keyboard.  Perkin keyboard takes me forever. No thank you lol

Barbara

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Mark Baxter

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Jan 23, 2024, 8:16:11 PMJan 23
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I also find that messages I type on the Perkins style keyboard of either of my Braille displays comes out with a lot of mistakes and gibberish. I, too, prefer my QWERTY. The Focus and the BT keyboard seem to play well together, so I have them both paired.

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THank you I don’t ik to type long message with perkin keyboard that is why I pairing magic keyboard with my iphone to save my time and quickly way to typing than perkin keyboard.  Perkin keyboard takes me forever. No thank you lol

Diana Brent

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Jan 23, 2024, 10:06:09 PMJan 23
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I have never put a QWERTY keyboard on my phone. I write all my email and other messages using my braille display, including this one. Couldn't do without it. It's great to have choices. I started doing everything in braille several years ago when I had an ElBrl 14, which I loved at the time because it was so portable and I wasn’t about to spoil that by adding a not extra keyboard. The good thing about that, was that it got me really using braille for both reading and writing, so I learned both the JAWS/windows commands for the computer, and the IOS braille commands for the phone. The ElBrl got too slow and they didn’t upgrade that model, and I didn’t want anything bigger. I’ve replaced it with a tiny baby computer, that is just a rectangular box slightly shorter than my 14-cell display, with windows, a battery, tons of ports, bluetooth, and JAWS. Back to portability.

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Barbara Davis

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Jan 24, 2024, 9:50:17 AMJan 24
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Hello Diana,

I understand but we need to respect others who prefer perkin braille display or qwerty keyboard because perkin braille display takes forever to type because we need to press 1 to 5 dots each time takes longer. When we used qwerty keyboard it is a very quickly to typing and speed it up. We feel whatever we feel like to. It is important to respect our feelings which one we want or prefer to used.

I kknow some Db prefer qwerty because it is more quickly and less pressure or over used our fingers. That is important what we feel prefer which one. Nothing is wrong. I am 11 years of braille user and prefer qwerty keyboard still. No harm done.

Thank you

Barbara

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Anders Holmberg

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Jan 27, 2024, 9:56:30 AMJan 27
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Not sure why and not sure even if they are willing to fix them.
I am very very disappointed with braille!
/AHi all!
Anders From Sweden here.
To be honest I believe that braille is much much better on the iOS than on the OSX for Mac.
I have both and of corse there are bugs that has to be fixed but on the Mac there has been braille bugs comping from the previous os that has not ben resolved even though I have been giving feedback.
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Scott Dollar

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Jan 27, 2024, 2:58:47 PMJan 27
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Hi Anders,


what braille displays are you using? There are some braille displays are working fine with the ios 17.3.


Best regards,


Scott Dollar

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Jan 27, 2024, 3:07:13 PMJan 27
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Hello all, Michelle here


I do know about IOS 17.3 now and did read that it is okay to download this for braille user right? I am using APH Mantis Q40 with iphone so is it safe for me to downlojad it now?

Thanks!
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Scott Dollar

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Jan 27, 2024, 3:15:26 PMJan 27
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Hi Michelle,


Can you please go onto Facebook and follow up with the World Techies for the DeafBlind and Unique Individuals as there were some discussions from there.


That is why as please be caution because some braille displays might have some issues with the latest ios version updates.


Best regards,


Scott Dollar



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Hello all, Michelle here
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Anders Holmberg

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Jan 27, 2024, 4:36:46 PMJan 27
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Hi!
I use the Focus 14 on the iOS system and a Focus 40 on my Mac.
I would love to have something better than the focus 40.
Its too wide so the query keyboard is not close enough for my fingers.
I don’t want to use a braille keyboard as I have the focus 40 with no braille keyboard.
It would be nice with the mantis q40 as long as it works properl with the Mac.
Bless.
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jmcla...@gmail.com

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Jan 27, 2024, 5:08:47 PMJan 27
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Michelle to Dollar.

Yes indeed, I did go to World tech at FB. There are good and some not good about IOS update for braille. Yes I know it dpend on who have different braille display have some different issues for braille. For myself right now it is still good since I have not update yet so I think I better leave it alone for now.

I do keep an eye on World tech on FB sometimes they say it is good to go and some says no. That is why.

Thanks!

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Barbara Davis

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Jan 27, 2024, 6:13:43 PMJan 27
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Hello Anders,

I have a question. What is os number on your MAC?Is it OS 10 or OS 14? Let me know befor eI answer it.

THank you

Barbara

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Barbara Davis

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Jan 27, 2024, 6:25:23 PMJan 27
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Hello Scott Dollar,

I never heard thatDB have pae there and I only heard googlegroup listserver have DBT only. I amnot crazy of FB as it is not a easy to access. Too many people post on many topic from mmany people plus groups plus so on. It is confused and too high volume. i am not talk about group aloneI am talking about many friends families on the list who subscribe to FB some people ehave 100 or more friends on their list plus groups. It is hard to keep track on the.

Thanks

Barbara
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Barbara Davis

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Jan 27, 2024, 6:41:30 PMJan 27
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Hello Anders,

Which gneration of Focus 14 and 40? For an example is it Focus 4th generation braille display or is it Focus 40 5th generation Bralle display? That will helps us tounderstand abit better.

Thank you

Barbara

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Scott Dollar

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Jan 27, 2024, 7:24:25 PMJan 27
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Hi Anders,


Both Focus 14 and 40 blue does work fine with ios 17.3. That is what my friend has shared with me about it.


Hope this help you.


Best regards,

Scott Dollar



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Scott Dollar

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Jan 27, 2024, 7:44:45 PMJan 27
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Hi Barbara,


I just let you know.

The worl Techies for the DeafBlind and Unique Indvidiuals is a Facebook groups only but there is no WTDBUI email groups at all.

The one that you are talking about is DB Techies on the googlegroups.


Hope this help you.


Best regards,

Scott Dollar



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Barbara Davis

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Jan 27, 2024, 7:57:43 PMJan 27
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Hello Scott,

Yes I understand but not everyone like FB that is why it is not a good place to be access there. Many DB prefers googlegroups better than DB. That is the truth. That is why some DB complain and miss the information that they can not go to fb due too much volumes and overwhelming. I don’t like FB myself too.

I hope that helps

Barbara

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Diana Brent

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I am using a Focus 14 5th generation on my phone and computer. I updated my iPhone to the latest update and it is working great. No issues that I have found. I also use the display on an Apple Watch Series 9, version 10 operating system and that works well too.

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Anders Holmberg

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Jan 28, 2024, 11:30:32 AMJan 28
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Hi!
I am using the latest Sonoma Os 14.
Bless.
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Barbara Davis

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Jan 28, 2024, 11:54:57 AMJan 28
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Anders

Thank you an dI have not tried the MAC computer but the Iphone have little issues. It did moving around itself without my knowledge when I click on it or when I was reading it moved forward 1 or 2 sentence ahead. I had to press backwards to read it again abit. Not a big issues but some issues.

I am not able to transser from Focus 14 to Focus 40 braille display as it will go back to Focus 14 again sighs.

They needs to be fixed abit.

Thanks

Barbara

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Diana Brent

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Jan 28, 2024, 1:23:24 PMJan 28
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Barbara and all:

The new IOS 17 update did not change anything with regard to the following. The focus 14 and 40 blue, if they are 5th generation can connect up to five different bluetooth connections and one USB connection. You switch between them by pressing theMenu button with dots 1-5. The first one you set up/pair is 1, the next is 2. Once you have paired your 40, and you set it up as say connection 2, then just make sure you choose that connection when you turn it on, and also, make sure your Focus 14 is turned off, so it doesn’t try to grab the connection. I have a Focus display paired to my computer and my phone, and I just choose connection 1 or connection 2, depending on what I want the display to connect with.  

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Barbara Davis

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Jan 28, 2024, 2:18:35 PMJan 28
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Hello Diana,

When I update and saw the an explain it says fixed the bugs too but ti did not fixed anything.

I do have both pairs as i am brailler user for ten years. I had no issues to switch back and forth till IOS 17 stopped it. It will just bounced back and forth. How I do it. I had to turn off the Focus 14 then turn off and on voiceover to trigger to join with Focus 40. It worked so when I want to switch back to Focus 14. I do the same thing repeat because if I go to settings, go to accessibility go to voiceover go to braille then click on focus 14 or 40 will not work. It will go back and forth like crazy . It is not worth it. I did show it to my intervenor and she dropped her jaws. Lol 

I had to shut dowoneof those braille will stay there. The accessbility needs to fix it as it is a bug.

I hope that is clear?

Barbara

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Diana Brent

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Jan 28, 2024, 3:30:25 PMJan 28
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Hello Barbara and all:

Maybe  this will help with braille displays switching back and forth between jplays that can connect to the same device.
1. Switch off the device you DO NOT WANT to connect at the time. Note: it may turn on once again, when it sees the idevice.
2. Make sure that the display that you DO WANT CONNECTED is set on the correct Bluetooth connection.
3. If the unwanted display comes back on (and occasionally that happens), you can press the menu button with dot 8 (the Enter key) to make it look for a USB connection and turn it off a second time. It shouldn't bother you any more until you summon it again. 

Hope that halps. Personally, I don’t think this is an IOS17 issue, I think it is related to Bluetooth. It's getting smarter too, sometimes too smart for its own good, as I’ve seen this issue with one or more sound devices paired with the same idevice or computer. 

Diana Brent
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jmcla...@gmail.com

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Hello all!

 

I want to know about Hable one. I never hear or touch that before. Can you please share with us who use that braille display for Hable one.

 

Thanks,

Michelle

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