when i have tried to insert hilti and other 3d models like screw bolts and anchors into a curtain wall panel family Alignment in a specific location is done but that inserted parts were not parametric when i loaded that family into project.
You cannot copy that which you cannot see? I don't have a view in the host from which to select both the curtain wall + attached reference plane elements. I should also add the curtain walls form an elliptical shape. The slope of the attached reference plane seems to have been created from a random elevation view along the curved curtain wall, so no intuitive way to recreate the same elevation view in the host from which to copy/paste the linked elements in same place
Go to the project browser and look for groups, right click the name of the cw group, and click Save As. This will save it as a RVT model. Link in the new model to your existing project and once placed correctly, select the link and bind/insert it into your model.
Sure! Some companies use this method if they are using an outside CW designer. That way they can just update the curtain wall model as needed when the designer makes modifications. So they will just link in the model and not bind/insert.
I would like to create a curtain panel double door. And I would like to make it from existing geometry (created in a generic model family). This because I thought it would allow more flexibility and when the door gets complex I can change it easily. My problem is that I cannot link the width and the height, etc of my embedded familly (generic model) with the parameters (reporting only) of the curtain panel.
I did do what you adviced: nested the generic model family into the curtain panel door family. The problem comes when I want to nest the parameters height and width of the curtain panel family with the parameters of the generic model family. The height and width of the curtain panel family does not exist by default. So I dimensioned each length and added a parameter to them. Revit only allows the parameters to be 'reporting paramater' . And the problem is it is not allowed to nest the two reporting paramters with the paramters of my nest family. (see messsage attached).
I have no problems nesting a generic model family parameters to a curtain wall door family parameters. The width and height are reporting parameters because they are supposed to be govern by the curtain wall panel width in project. Here are the steps:
- Open an existing curtain wall door family (A), delete the geometry. There should be a Width reporting parameter already. Go to elevation and add a dimension string to the height, label it with a new Height reporting parameter.
I restarted a curtain panel wall family from scratched and followed your methodology. It worked! There must have been something wrong with the other one that i still cannot figure out. Next time, I will remember to start from a fresh family when encountering ununderstandable problems like this one.
Hey guys, I am modeling a new project. There is a curtain wall which corner is arc. as shown in the pic below. But how can I make this curtain wall corner to be an arc, not like straight line. Thank you !
@William Yan If you want a better shape of the curtain wall's corner, make a copy of it and convert the copy into a morph and hide the original. Use the appropriate palette of the morph tool to shape the corner as you want. You should need a section first to draw the guideline of this corner using the morph tool pen.
@William Yan Form your curtain wall with a square corner. Model the curved frame part as a separate element with the same profile as the boundary frame using a beam. Convert the beam to a Morph. Rotate in 3D and place where required. Use Solid Element Operations to subtract the beam with upward extrusion.
I am trying to integrate a line based Void into a Curtain Wall Panel but the nested family doesn't cut the panel.
First how I proceeded: I created a plane based family with a cylindrical void, nested it into the line based family so I have a line of cylinders. Then I loaded this family into my panel family so I could cut it. I would like to have a perforated curtain wall panel that I can control with parameters. In every family I checked the box 'cut with void when loaded' but nothing happens.
I have read in some threads that a void family can only cut in the immediate host-family. So I also tested it with a normal extrusion, but the line-family won't even join the curtain wall panel.
Am I missing something or is there an easier way? Please help me understand.
IMO, although you would be loosing the parametric options, using a Material with Cutout image would be much better option. If you have too many of these curtain walls/panel, working with Nested/Arrayed voids affect the performance of the model. I wont be a light family... but here are the steps for how to model it
At a earlier stage of the design I modelled them as curtain wall panels, but since the wall profile is not straight I had to fill the corner with generic models.
A further peculiarity of the sunscreen system are the openings corresponding to the windows of the base wall (structure) behind the sun"screen" (all about the project is still ongoing), where I placed horizontal mullions.
the perfect result would be to dynamically change the sizes in my mullion patterns (both horizontal and vertical) without the profile cut interfering (along the wall boundary other thicker mullions are used) and hopefully to automatically create the openings+horizontal mullions where windows are located.
Thank you @GavinCrump ! Indeed the only problem I had is that editing the profile of a curtain wall with custom panels would replace the non-rectangular ones with system panels. Otherwise keeping the curtain wall w/panels would have been great.
Hi,
in the LBNL window it is not possible to insert an opaque material such as an insulating layer in the description of the glazing system. If you have already modeled the separate surfaces for glass, frames and spandrel, simply assign a windowsmaterial to the glass and build a construction as a set of materials on multiple layers: one construction for the frame and one for the spandrel, where a outside layer of the spandrel will be an opaque material with the characteristics of thickness, conductivity, density, etc. of your glass.Use well the three characteristics of absorbace that you find in the material to simulate the reflections that your spandrel will have.
Daylight modeling use case: Everything that is a wall and a mullion - I would assign to be shading in the modeling program. Anything that is glass i would run a grasshopper script to remove the thickness of the glass so that its just one single plane and then assign glazing properties to it. Having them on separate layers would drastically speed up this process and could be automated using grasshopper to pull in entire layers instead of specific objects or selections.
Just closed this issue so mullions and any other children elements (for revit families like walls, floors, and roofs) should now be received correctly as meshes in Rhino! This will be available in our next beta release.
Currently, all children elements (like mullions) will be sorted into their own elements::displayMesh sublayer within the parent family category. This is what a basic curtain wall with mullions would look like, where the panels are in Walls::displayMesh and the mullions are in Walls::displayMesh::elements:displayMesh:
Good morning. I am modeling an Elevator with Glass Enclosure with an exterior Curtain Wall and trying to figure out what is the best approach to (1)accommodate/capture the glass enclosure when creating the glazing material and (2) there is an external curtain wall with glazing as well. I am not sure if I should create the curtain was as a Fin or an overhang. Any feedback and suggestions is appreciated.
I am not sure I understand the configuration you are trying to model. It sounds like the elevator shaft is inside the exterior curtainwall and the elevator shaft enclosure is also made of glass? If so I would not worry too much about getting the shaft materials exactly right as it is just an interior partition and will likely not have much of an impact on energy use one way or the other. I definitely do not understand the part about modeling a fin or overhang?
If you need information about light and/or energy that comes through the curtain wall and then into the elevator shaft and/or cab you may need to use some specific programs, not all of them are able to model sunlight through multiple surfaces.
The exterior curtain-wall assembly is in an insulated metal panel mounted on CMU Wall aspart of the envelope. The elevator hoist-way enclosure is made of glass. I was wondering what is the best way to (1)model the exterior curtain-wall since i is not a fenestration and not really being associated with an opening/partition? and
Yes, I am modeling the whole building and the curtain wall and elevator glass hoist-way enclosure is just part of it. And yes, I need to create both features and model the light and/or energy that comes through the curtain wall and then into the elevator glass hoist-way enclosure/or cab.
The software am using is AECosim Energy simulator by Bentley. I seems to be a bit challenging or maybe not even doable using this application. I am hope I there are different methods and/or other software I could use for to model sunlight through multiple surfaces.
2. It sounds like you have a glass elevator shaft next to a curtainwall system that is fenestration. I would guess that you can't use the curtainwall as the back of the shaft, so the shaft is a separate enclosure next to the curtainwall glazing. Thermally they would be separate but the solar radiation through the shaft would need to be accounted for as well as the visible light transmission. In your software can you build interior partitions that are made of glass so that you can assign the glazing properties of the shaft enclosure? Essentially this is not very different than a borrowed light scenario with an interior partition.
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