New domain - how did they get this as they are not accredited?

[The Real George Wythe]

According to Wikipedia, after October 29, 2001 only accredited
institutions can get new .edu domains (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.edu).
GWC got www.gwc.edu before this time. So how did GWC get www.gw.edu
(the site to which www.gwc.edu now redirects)?

[The Real George Wythe]

I have done some more digging, and that is indeed the policy. The
governing organization of the .edu domain is called Educause. Per
their FAQs (http://net.educause.edu/edudomain/show_faq.asp?
code=EDUELIGIBILITY) GWC is indeed ineligible to be using this domain,
which was newly registered on 8/21/08. The best they can hope for
given their accreditation status is a .org!

I encourage you to e-mail Educause (e...@educause.edu) or use their
contact us form (http://net.educause.edu/edudomain/contact_us.asp) and
report this violation. Encourage your friends and family to do so as
well.

When you do this, I STRONGLY encourage everyone to use a professional
tone, not to exaggerate, etc. Let the facts speak for themselves. I
made my report anonymously; you can sign your name if you choose to.

Let's not let them pull the wool over the public's eyes on this one!
Let's work together to get this domain yanked!

On Aug 25, 11:38 am, The Real George Wythe <odemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to Wikipedia, after October 29, 2001 only accredited
> institutions can get new .edu domains (seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.edu).

> GWC gotwww.gwc.edubefore this time. So how did GWC getwww.gw.edu

[Cynical Pen]

I agree. Once you've submitted then post so here, let's all do it. I'll do it right now.

 

CP

[Cynical Pen]

I've done it. And I ecourage everyone else to do so as well and then post here that you have, and I implore you to be professional, polite, and fact-based. They are violating law. No further argument is needed.

[Cynical Pen]

"All names registered after October
29, 2001, must meet the current eligibility requirements. All
Grandfathered Institutions are subject to the terms of this agreement."

 

Even though GWC is a "grandfathered" institution, as far as I can tell, that only allows them to keep www.gwc.edu (which ought to be stripped form then anyway, since it's false advertising.)

 

But gw.edu was registered after 2001, therefore it must meet the current eligibility requirements. But it doesn't.

 

And it further adds that even grandfathered instituions (ie: GWC) are subject to this agreement.

 

They are in violation, clear as day.

 

CP

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:20 PM, <random...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I filled in the contact form, but look at this:

1.1.g "Grandfathered Institution." A "Grandfathered Institution" is a
registrant that was permitted to register a .edu name under terms
established by prior managers of the .edu domain. The terms of this
Agreement applies to all registrants including "Grandfathered
Institution(s)" no matter the original registration date of the domain
name. All prior terms and conditions to which the Customer may have
agreed under prior managers of .edu registry are null and void from
the date EDUCAUSE assumed management of the .edu registry, excepting
that the Grandfathered Institution may retain those .edu names
registered under prior managers. All names registered after October
29, 2001, must meet the current eligibility requirements. All
Grandfathered Institutions are subject to the terms of this agreement.
1.1.h "Grandfathered Name." A "Grandfathered Name" is a .edu domain
name registered prior to October 29, 2001, the date EDUCAUSE assumed
management of the .edu registry and registrar functions.

Now this may only apply to the GW.edu unless they are a grandfathered
institution. We will see. Post the responses from the .edu
administrators when and if you get them.

On Aug 25, 2:46 pm, "Cynical Pen" <cynical...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've done it. And I ecourage everyone else to do so as well and then post
> here that you have, and I implore you to be professional, polite, and
> fact-based. They are violating law. No further argument is needed.
>
>
>

> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Cynical Pen <cynical...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  I agree. Once you've submitted then post so here, let's all do it. I'll
> > do it right now.
>
> > CP
>
> >   On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:56 PM, The Real George Wythe <

> > odemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I have done some more digging, and that is indeed the policy. The
> >> governing organization of the .edu domain is called Educause. Per
> >> their FAQs (http://net.educause.edu/edudomain/show_faq.asp?
> >> code=EDUELIGIBILITY) GWC is indeed ineligible to be using this domain,
> >> which was newly registered on 8/21/08. The best they can hope for
> >> given their accreditation status is a .org!
>

> >> I encourage you to e-mail Educause (e...@educause.edu) or use their

> >> contact us form (http://net.educause.edu/edudomain/contact_us.asp) and
> >> report this violation. Encourage your friends and family to do so as
> >> well.
>
> >> When you do this, I STRONGLY encourage everyone to use a professional
> >> tone, not to exaggerate, etc. Let the facts speak for themselves. I
> >> made my report anonymously; you can sign your name if you choose to.
>
> >> Let's not let them pull the wool over the public's eyes on this one!
> >> Let's work together to get this domain yanked!
>
> >> On Aug 25, 11:38 am, The Real George Wythe <odemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > According to Wikipedia, after October 29, 2001 only accredited
> >> > institutions can get new .edu domains (seehttp://
> >> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.edu).

> >> > GWC gotwww.gwc.edubeforethis time. So how did GWC getwww.gw.edu
> >> > (the site to whichwww.gwc.edunowredirects)?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[The Real George Wythe]

"Even though GWC is a "grandfathered" institution, as far as I can
tell, that
only allows them to keep www.gwc.edu"

That is my understanding as well.

On Aug 26, 6:56 am, "Cynical Pen" <cynical...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "All names registered after October
> 29, 2001, must meet the current eligibility requirements. All
> Grandfathered Institutions are subject to the terms of this agreement."
>
> Even though GWC is a "grandfathered" institution, as far as I can tell, that

> only allows them to keepwww.gwc.edu(which ought to be stripped form then

> anyway, since it's false advertising.)
>
> But gw.edu was registered after 2001, therefore it must meet the current
> eligibility requirements. But it doesn't.
>
> And it further adds that even grandfathered instituions (ie: GWC) are
> subject to this agreement.
>
> They are in violation, clear as day.
>
> CP
>

> > > >> > GWC gotwww.gwc.edubeforethistime. So how did GWC getwww.gw.edu
> > > >> > (the site to whichwww.gwc.edunowredirects)?-Hide quoted text -

[The Real George Wythe]

This is the response I got from Edusource:

"Grand-fathered registrants are allowed to change their domain names.
The new domain name remains in grand-fathered status. Thank you."

On Aug 26, 9:27 am, The Real George Wythe <odemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Even though GWC is a "grandfathered" institution, as far as I can
> tell, that
> only allows them to keepwww.gwc.edu"
>
> That is my understanding as well.
>
> On Aug 26, 6:56 am, "Cynical Pen" <cynical...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "All names registered after October
> > 29, 2001, must meet the current eligibility requirements. All
> > Grandfathered Institutions are subject to the terms of this agreement."
>
> > Even though GWC is a "grandfathered" institution, as far as I can tell, that

> > only allows them to keepwww.gwc.edu(whichought to be stripped form then

> > > > >> > (the site to whichwww.gwc.edunowredirects)?-Hidequoted text -

[The Real George Wythe]

This is from their website:

http://net.educause.edu/edudomain/show_faq.asp?code=EDUCURRENT#faq188

It looks like once they're grandfathered, they can change it to
whatever they want.

On Aug 26, 9:29 am, The Real George Wythe <odemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is the response I got from Edusource:
>
> "Grand-fathered registrants are allowed to change their domain names.
> The new domain name remains in grand-fathered status. Thank you."
>
> On Aug 26, 9:27 am, The Real George Wythe <odemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Even though GWC is a "grandfathered" institution, as far as I can
> > tell, that
> > only allows them to keepwww.gwc.edu"
>
> > That is my understanding as well.
>
> > On Aug 26, 6:56 am, "Cynical Pen" <cynical...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "All names registered after October
> > > 29, 2001, must meet the current eligibility requirements. All
> > > Grandfathered Institutions are subject to the terms of this agreement."
>
> > > Even though GWC is a "grandfathered" institution, as far as I can tell, that

> > > only allows them to keepwww.gwc.edu(whichoughtto be stripped form then

> > > > > >> > (the site to whichwww.gwc.edunowredirects)?-Hidequotedtext -

[Cynical Pen]

This is what I got: "I understand your concern, but the domain is in grandfathered status. The school held the domain gwc.edu and recently changed it to gw.edu. Because gwc.edu was grandfathered. Holders of grandfathered domains are allowed to change the name of their domain without having to meet the eligibility requirements."

 

But that doesn't that mean they have to give up www.gwc.edu in order to keep www.gw.edu? If they get to retain gwc AND get gw then that isn't a change, that's an acquisition. And that's illegal.

 

CP

[Cynical Pen]

(Correction) But doesn't that mean they have to give up www.gwc.edu in order to keep www.gw.edu? If they get to retain gwc AND get gw then that isn't a change, that's an acquisition. And that's illegal.

[Cynical Pen]

Here is the official word:

 

"They have been given 6 months to transition from the old to the new domain. They can request an additional 6 months if they need it. Under no circumstances are they allowed more than one year to transition from the old to the new domain. After the transition period is over, they are require to release the old domain. Once the domain is released, it goes into a holding pattern for about 63 days. After that it becomes available for any eligible institution to request on a first-come, first served basis."

 

So I guess they are allowed a little leeway. But seriously, this is all a complete joke. The ruling ought to be that all grandfathered .edu domains, who do not meet legal requirements, are given 6 months (or better yet 6 minutes) to transition from their (now illegal) .edu domains to .com, .org, or .whatever (those available to the public.) On the grounds that non-accredited organizations can still use their .edu domains to trick prospective students. Which is and will continue happening.

CP

 

[The Real George Wythe]

I agree. Maybe a complaint to the U.S. Dept of Commerce is in order,
as they're the ones allowing Edusource to oversee the .edu domain
(currently through 2011).

On Aug 26, 12:38 pm, "Cynical Pen" <cynical...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is the official word:
>
> "They have been given 6 months to transition from the old to the new domain.
> They can request an additional 6 months if they need it. Under no
> circumstances are they allowed more than one year to transition from the old
> to the new domain. After the transition period is over, they are require to
> release the old domain. Once the domain is released, it goes into a holding
> pattern for about 63 days. After that it becomes available for any eligible
> institution to request on a first-come, first served basis."
>
> So I guess they are allowed a little leeway. But seriously, this is all a
> complete joke. The ruling ought to be that all grandfathered .edu domains,
> who do not meet legal requirements, are given 6 months (or better yet 6
> minutes) to transition from their (now illegal) .edu domains to .com, .org,
> or .whatever (those available to the public.) On the grounds that
> non-accredited organizations can still use their .edu domains to trick
> prospective students. Which is and will continue happening.
> CP
>

> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Cynical Pen <cynical...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > (Correction) But doesn't that mean they have to give upwww.gwc.eduin

> > order to keepwww.gw.edu?If they get to retain gwc AND get gw then that

> > isn't a change, that's an acquisition. And that's illegal.
>

> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Cynical Pen <cynical...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> This is what I got: "I understand your concern, but the domain is in
> >> grandfathered status. The school held the domain gwc.edu and recently
> >> changed it to gw.edu. Because gwc.edu was grandfathered. Holders of
> >> grandfathered domains are allowed to change the name of their domain without
> >> having to meet the eligibility requirements."
>
> >> But that doesn't that mean they have to give upwww.gwc.eduin order to

> >> keepwww.gw.edu?If they get to retain gwc AND get gw then that isn't a

> >> change, that's an acquisition. And that's illegal.
>
> >> CP
>
> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:36 AM, The Real George Wythe <
> >> odemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> This is from their website:
>
> >>>http://net.educause.edu/edudomain/show_faq.asp?code=EDUCURRENT#faq188
>
> >>> It looks like once they're grandfathered, they can change it to
> >>> whatever they want.
>
> >>> On Aug 26, 9:29 am, The Real George Wythe <odemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > This is the response I got from Edusource:
>
> >>> > "Grand-fathered registrants are allowed to change their domain names.
> >>> > The new domain name remains in grand-fathered status. Thank you."
>
> >>> > On Aug 26, 9:27 am, The Real George Wythe <odemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> > > "Even though GWC is a "grandfathered" institution, as far as I can
> >>> > > tell, that
> >>> > > only allows them to keepwww.gwc.edu"
>
> >>> > > That is my understanding as well.
>
> >>> > > On Aug 26, 6:56 am, "Cynical Pen" <cynical...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> > > > "All names registered after October
> >>> > > > 29, 2001, must meet the current eligibility requirements. All
> >>> > > > Grandfathered Institutions are subject to the terms of this
> >>> agreement."
>
> >>> > > > Even though GWC is a "grandfathered" institution, as far as I can
> >>> tell, that

> >>> > > > only allows them to keepwww.gwc.edu(whichoughttobe stripped form

[Cynical Pen]

We should write them.