Fwd: Analyzing the fillers in phrase-frame

[Ahmet GÜNERİ]

Dear All,

This is the answer that I received from Prof. Vincent and Laurence related to my question. I hope it will help you with the analyses on phrase-frames.

All the best,

Ahmet

---------- Forwarded message ---------
Gönderen: Laurence Anthony <antho...@gmail.com>
Date: 6 Ağu 2024 Sal, 15:19
Subject: Re: Analyzing the fillers in phrase-frame
To: Benet Vincent <ab6...@coventry.ac.uk>
Cc: Ahmet GÜNERİ <ahmetgu...@gmail.com>

Hi Benet and Ahmet,

Benet's suggestions are all great. They are exactly the same as what I would have suggested to you!

You might also be interested in exporting the raw data tables for the p-frame searches (via the file menu). If you do that, you'll get a single table with all the patterns and all the fillers in all the open slot positions. 

I hope that helps!

Laurence.

###############################################################
Laurence ANTHONY, Ph.D.
Professor of Applied Linguistics
Faculty of Science and Engineering
Waseda University
3-4-1 Okubo, Shinjuku-ku, Tokyo 169-8555, Japan
E-mail: antho...@gmail.com
WWW: http://www.laurenceanthony.net/
###############################################################

On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 at 21:01, Benet Vincent <ab6...@coventry.ac.uk> wrote:

Hi Ahmet, 

Yes and no. The output of the p-frame analysis will give also give you figures for TT (type-token ratio) and Ent (entropy; sometimes referred to as 'predictability' - Biber uses a different way of doing this in his work). We discuss both TT and Ent in our paper (forthcoming - hopefully not too long now), and both of these values can be useful for analysis. Note e.g. in the list below that this study + to has lower TT and Ent values, suggesting that it may exhibit phraseological patterning, which can be confirmed by looking at the KWIC. 

If you then look at a specific p-frame in the KWIC view, as I'm sure you know, it will sort the fillers for you, which helps with the task you are talking about. Also sorting options can be adjusted to make other patterning more obvious as here (sorting I used was 2R - 1L - 4R):  

My point here is that yes you can count them manually but AntConc gives you other options which can help show how patterning you see in the p-frame is associated with patterns beyond the frame itself. It can also help you see which fillers are (or aren't) relevant to the ongoing analysis. Basically, if you're only counting them, you may be missing other stuff that's going on. 

I've copied in Laurence as this sort of question also came up at the TaLC conference and he may have something to add... @Laurence Anthony, I hope you don't mind my including you in this. Thought it might be interesting to you. Ahmet is doing his PhD in Turkey and we've been corresponding about p-frame-related questions over the past few months. 

Best regards, 

Benet

---

From: Ahmet GÜNERİ <ahmetgu...@gmail.com>
Sent: 06 August 2024 12:28
To: Benet Vincent <ab6...@coventry.ac.uk>
Subject: Analyzing the fillers in phrase-frame

 

Hi Benet, While analyzing the fillers/variants in the phrase-frame, I count and list them manually. Is this the way we do it? Or, are there any practical and automatic methods in AntConc to do the filler analysis in order to save time? Kind

Hi Benet,

While analyzing the fillers/variants in the phrase-frame, I count and list them manually. Is this the way we do it? Or, are there any practical and automatic methods in AntConc to do the filler analysis in order to save time?

Kind regards,

Ahmet

Queen's Award for Enterprise
International Trade 2022

Ranked in the top 50% of UK universities for research power
Times Higher Education analysis of REF 2021

Joint top Modern University for Career Prospects
Guardian University Guide 2022

Top 30 in the World for International Students (ratio)
QS World University Rankings 2024

NOTICE

This message and any files transmitted with it is intended for the addressee only and may contain information that is confidential or privileged. Unauthorised use is strictly prohibited. If you are not the addressee, you should not read, copy, disclose or otherwise use this message, except for the purpose of delivery to the addressee.

Any views or opinions expressed within this e-mail are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Coventry University.