How to cite AntCat?

[Mark Wilden]

A question was raised about the proper way to cite AntCat.

Should the bibliography have a different citation than the catalog?

The bibliography is no longer directly equivalent to ANTBIB, and to Phil Ward's 1995 publication, although I believe only he and Marek are currently editing it. Should this be reflected in the bibliography's title on the webpage?

The catalog is still a version of Barry Bolton's exclusive work (albeit indexed and searchable). Until this changes, the citation for the catalog should reflect this authorship, I would think. For example, the Global Ant Project hosts a PDF version of the catalog and specifies that it be cited as "Bolton's Catalogue and Synopsis, in http://gap.entclub.org/ " VERSION: 1 JULY 2011".

I would like to include a link or a message to suggest to users how to cite AntCat. Does anyone have any thoughts?

[Mark Wilden]

I'm bumping this because another group member has asked this question, and I don't really know the answer.

First: who is the author of each (the bibliography and the catalog)? The current authors are clearly defined, but this won't last forever.

"Scientific Style and Format" is usually the authority here, but it wants the style as close as possible to printed matter (including publisher and place).

How are you guys citing online resources currently?

[Marek Borowiec]

Dear all,

I'd like to go back to this issue of citing AntCat. Apparently no one directly responsible for the content (i.e. Phil, Barry) responded to Mark...

I think the exact format in which to cite it will depend on a place (journal, website), but I agree it would be useful to have some guideline, just like the Antbase has ("To cite antbase itself, use: Agosti, D., and N. F. Johnson. Editors. 2005. Antbase. World Wide Web electronic publication. antbase.org, version (05/2005)").

At the very least, we should agree on the authors.

Best,

Marek

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[Mark Wilden]

I propose: AntCat [http://antcat.org]. 2012. California Academy of
Sciences. Retrieved 4 Apr 2012.

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[Flávia Esteves]

I think that people whom work hard to build a global ant catalogue and a bibliographical database must be cited (I mean, must appear in such citation).

Flávia Esteves

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FFCLRP / Universidade de São Paulo

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[Mark Wilden]

>> I propose: AntCat [http://antcat.org]. 2012. California Academy of
>> Sciences. Retrieved 4 Apr 2012.

2012/4/4 Flávia Esteves <flavia...@gmail.com>:

> I think that people whom work hard to build a global ant catalogue and a
> bibliographical database must be cited (I mean, must appear in such
> citation).

I certainly understand that. So another possibility would be:

Bolton, B.; Ward, P.S.; et al. 2012. AntCat [etc.]

or even

Bolton, B.; Ward, P.S.; Borowiec, M.; Estevez, F.; Wilden, M., et al.
2012. AntCat [etc.] :)

But the idea is for AntCat to be a community-edited site, so perhaps
the authorship should reflect that. After all, what is the authorship
of Wikipedia?

But there's no one more aware than I of who is really responsible for
the vast bulk of AntCat and I'd have no problem indicating that in the
reference. So let's go with that, faute de mieux:

Bolton, B.; Ward, P.S.; et al. 2012. AntCat [http://antcat.org].

[Flávia Esteves]

Or we can do like antbase (see Marek example)...

Flávia Esteves

PhD candidate - Entomology
FFCLRP / Universidade de São Paulo

California Academy of Sciences

55 Music Concourse Drive

San Francisco / CA 

94118 

[Marek Borowiec]

It is problematic, and please remember that the backbone for the bibliography part of the site is the published work of Phil, Barry, Steven Shattuck, and Bill Brown, so if anything they should be primary authors.

I think a good solution would be to mention no authors in the citation, but maybe have a separate web page that would list (at least major) contributors, possibly with a mention of their  responsibilities within the project...

Marek

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[Flávia Esteves]

I agree with Marek, because think that AntCat is mainly Bolton's Catalogue and an actualization of the  book "A Bibliography of Ant Systematics". 

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[Blum, Stan]

I don't think CAS has contributed all that much to the creation and
maintenance of either the Bibliography or the Catalog, so that part
shouldn't be included as attribution, though CAS could be somewhat like a
publisher in this case.

There are "(sub)Titles on the web page headers now:

ANTBIB: A Bibliography of Ant Systematics, by Philip S. Ward, et al.
AntCat: An Online Catalog of the Ants of the World, by Barry Bolton, 1
Jan 2012

Citation format always depends on the formats specified by the publisher
(where the citation will appear), but the Title, Author/Editor, and
version-date (in the case of the Catalog) are indicated there. Mark is
correct, though, in showing that the URL and date retrieved are now also
standard in citing any online resource.

My sense is that most of the content in AntBib comes from the 1996
version; and a modest proportion comes from subsequent work. I would
suggest it's up to Phil and collaborators to apportion the authorship
credit. Beyond the '96 authors, should anyone else be listed? (We can
also develop an acknowledgements page to credit contributions that deserve
mention but don't warrant authorship.)

At this point, the content for the Catalog is still 100% Bolton. The only
caveat there is that the bibliographic content linked from the names is
(or will be) from AntBib, so the boundaries are a little blurred.

Therefore the relevant information is as follows:

Title: "ANTBIB: a Bibliography of Ant Systematics"
Authors: Philip S.Ward; Barry Bolton; Steven O. Shattuck; William L.
Brown, Jr. [needs update?]
Version: continuously updated.
URL: http://antcat.org/references

Title: "AntCat: An Online Catalog of the Ants of the World"
Author: Barry Bolton,
Version: 1 Jan 2012

URL: http://antcat.org

Anyone needing to cite these resources should be able to fashion something
acceptable from the info above.

Does the above violate anyone's sensibilities?

-Stan

[Donat Agosti]

But doesn’t that annihiliate the idea of the project, that it is a community effort, and community editing of a catalogue into the future? Cataloguing is not just typing names into a database. It is also about having the resources to do so, to link the catalogue to external resources such as the pdf or parts of texts.

 

In that respect, I would agree to cite antcat such as simply

 

AntCat [http://antcat.org]. 2012. Retrieved 4 Apr 2012.

 

Donat

[Mark Wilden]

Just to be clear, I was suggesting "California Academy of Sciences" as
the publisher. Just like a print publisher, this is the party who is
responsible for connecting the author and the reader. It's also the
place to go to complain. :)

[Donat Agosti]

I thought about this, but the goal is to make a community owned project that
is not linked neither to names nor to institutions. Complaints are going to
antcat.org.

donat

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[Mark Wilden]

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Donat Agosti <ago...@amnh.org> wrote:
> I thought about this, but the goal is to make a community owned project that
> is not linked neither to names nor to institutions. Complaints are going to
> antcat.org.

And if that link goes dead? I know that could never happen, but still...

I'm not married to the idea, but it does seem to me that if there is a
publisher of the work called "AntCat", it's CAS.

[Mark Wilden]

Based on the responses so far, and points people have made, I
(re-)propose the following, which will be adopted for now unless
anyone objects.

[Blum, Stan]

I object. We don't have an editing interface for the catalog, yet, so
isn't the intellectual content in the current version is still > 99%
Barry's? Given that, I ran antcat.org through this resource (a citation
helper) <http://www.easybib.com/cite/form>

And got the following:

Bolton, Barry. "AntCat: An online catalog of ants of the world." 1 Jan.
2012. California Academy of Sciences. 06 Apr. 2012 <http://antcat.org/>.
[that last date is the date accessed/retrieved]

I realize that this is just postponing the decision about how to cite the
intended resource (with a potentially much larger set of contributors),
but until then, I believe the citation above is a more accurate
representation of what exists, rather than what is intended.

-Stan

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