Turning the other cheeck
Steven N Colling
like, "well, that is #439, 397 cheeks to go", that is not love, and that is
not the Christian value spoken of in scripture. I see two problems here.
First is that you are carnal, small, and petty. You and only you can create
an insult by receiving it. Second, you can not have love without
forgiveness, and if you have forgiveness, then every time someone "insults"
you it would be as if the first time. IMHO
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more, and
that which is not will be.
Karyn...@msn.com
around here and when we do the janitor mops it up. Seeing as the janitor is
feeling poorly, though, let's clean this up ourselves. I'll go get the broom
and you can hold the dustpan.
--
Karyn
"Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
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Steven N Colling
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more, and
that which is not will be.
<Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:9rEqqY9$$GA....@tweedledum.annex.com...
Karyn...@msn.com
--
Karyn
"Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
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Steven N Colling
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more, and
that which is not will be.
<Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:Yv20dn9$$GA....@tweedledum.annex.com...
fish
for this
Christian ng if such antics continue.
fish
Steven N Colling
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more, and
that which is not will be.
"fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RghF#uBAAH...@tweedledum.annex.com...
fish
will comment on the matter.
fish
Janitor
Steven N Colling <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
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Steven N Colling
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more, and
that which is not will be.
"fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ohx8d2B...@tweedledum.annex.com...
Steven N Colling
carnal and petty.
Steven N Colling
make what I said wrong.
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more, and
that which is not will be.
"Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
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Jenn
and moderate this group, fish. It will just get worse.
Jenn
fish wrote in message ...
Steven N Colling
unpopular posts.
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more, and
that which is not will be.
"fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> If the personal attacks continue, I would rather see this newsgroup die.
We
> are a witness to the world reflecting who we are. We are called to love
and
> care for one another and to reason things out, and to have respectful
> discourse. I will moderate this newsgroup into the ground and shut it
down
> before I will allow it to become a poor witness for Christ.
>
> I have little bias one way or the other towards different Christian
> traditions, denominations or viewpoints. My theology is just mine, I have
> really no clue whether I am "right" or not. I just love Jesus like
everyone
> else here and I like lively debate, and I like everyone here.
>
> I have sought to be fair in my janitor duties. Anyone who sees me being
> unfair is free to call it to my attention, privately or publicly, using
> specific examples please, and not vague accusations or complaints.. I am
> only human.
>
> fish
> Janitor
>
>
> Jenn <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:foTsn#BAAH...@tweedledum.annex.com...
Jenn
You're privilege to moderate or close it down... I don't think any
moderator would have the ability to be fair. People have their favorites,
and their favorites would be allowed to just get away with a lil more than
those who aren't favorites would get away with. Human nature, and how I see
things. It's taken months for this group to openly correct a few posters
here who had for a long time posted things that if I had said would have
been red X'd if this group were moderated. This group has evolved BECAUSE
of the interaction and communication of people, not because of being told to
shut up or gagged.
fish
Steven N Colling
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more, and
that which is not will be.
"fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:84KZ1MC...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> Steven,
> I hope you find your "voice" here, because we need your opinion and
> ideas,just as we need everyone's. I am glad you plan to not attack
anyone.
> Unpopular ideas are welcome here.
>
> fish
>
> Steven N Colling <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
> news:phoSVJC...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > Although I have personally attacked no one I will cease from voicing
> > unpopular posts.
> >
> > --
> > In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more,
> and
> > that which is not will be.
> > "fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:WUnCCHC...@tweedledum.annex.com...
kitty
you've bent over backwards to be fair to everybody. Some will use any
excuse to whine about their treatment when in fact they are among the worst
offenders.
Steven N Colling
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more, and
that which is not will be.
"kitty" <cats...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EPv2KnC...@tweedledum.annex.com...
fish
I hope you find your "voice" here, because we need your opinion and
ideas,just as we need everyone's. I am glad you plan to not attack anyone.
Unpopular ideas are welcome here.
fish
Steven N Colling <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
news:phoSVJC...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> Although I have personally attacked no one I will cease from voicing
> unpopular posts.
>
> --
> In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more,
and
> that which is not will be.
fish
by giving gentle reminders when you see your friends step over the line. If
everyone helped their friends then no one would have to censor their foes.
fish
Janitor
Jenn <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rSikbLC...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> Fish,
>
> You're privilege to moderate or close it down... I don't think any
> moderator would have the ability to be fair. People have their favorites,
> and their favorites would be allowed to just get away with a lil more than
> those who aren't favorites would get away with. Human nature, and how I
see
> things. It's taken months for this group to openly correct a few posters
> here who had for a long time posted things that if I had said would have
> been red X'd if this group were moderated. This group has evolved BECAUSE
> of the interaction and communication of people, not because of being told
to
> shut up or gagged.
>
Karyn...@msn.com
--
Karyn
"Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
news:uxhnm#BAAH...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> BTW, as a human, I fall under that category too, but that still does not
> make what I said wrong.
>
> --
> In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more,
and
> that which is not will be.
> "Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
> news:b90lB6B...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > If you keep track of wrongs, you show neither love nor forgiveness, and
> are
> > carnal and petty.
> >
> > --
> > In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more,
> and
> > that which is not will be.
> > "fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ohx8d2B...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > > Name calling such as "carnal and petty" are not allowed. This is the
> last
> > I
> > > will comment on the matter.
> > >
> > > fish
> > > Janitor
> > >
> > > Steven N Colling <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
> > > news:CWBmtwB...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > > > What antics are you referring to?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no
> more,
> > > and
> > > > that which is not will be.
> > > > "fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:RghF#uBAAH...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > > > > Thank you Karyn. The janitor is not amused. She will reconsider
> > > moderation
> > > > > for this
> > > > > Christian ng if such antics continue.
> > > > >
> > > > > fish
> > > > >
> > > > > <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:9rEqqY9$$GA....@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > > > > > Steven, we don't call one another names like "carnal, small, and
> > > petty"
> > > > > > around here and when we do the janitor mops it up. Seeing as the
> > > janitor
> > > > > is
> > > > > > feeling poorly, though, let's clean this up ourselves. I'll go
get
> > the
> > > > > broom
> > > > > > and you can hold the dustpan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Karyn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1aZWsE9$$GA....@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > > > > > > Love does not keep score, If someone insults you, and you say
> > > > something
> > > > > > > like, "well, that is #439, 397 cheeks to go", that is not
love,
> > and
> > > > that
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > not the Christian value spoken of in scripture. I see two
> problems
> > > > here.
> > > > > > > First is that you are carnal, small, and petty. You and only
you
> > can
> > > > > > create
> > > > > > > an insult by receiving it. Second, you can not have love
without
> > > > > > > forgiveness, and if you have forgiveness, then every time
> someone
> > > > > > "insults"
> > > > > > > you it would be as if the first time. IMHO
> > > > > > >
Karyn...@msn.com
--
Karyn
"fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:WUnCCHC...@tweedledum.annex.com...
Vic Hauk
even 7 times in one day, must I forgive him? And Jesus said, 7 times 70."
Turning your other cheek is to our enemies. There is no limit to how often we
should turn the other cheek. Just as there is no limit to how often we should
give more than demanded of us, and pray for those who despitefully use us, and
love those who persecute us.
vic
Steven N Colling
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more, and
that which is not will be.
<Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:rkqnHjF...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> If you were counting yourself the pronoun should have been WE not YOU.
>
> --
> Karyn
>
> "Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
> news:uxhnm#BAAH...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > BTW, as a human, I fall under that category too, but that still does not
> > make what I said wrong.
> >
> > --
> > In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more,
> and
> > that which is not will be.
> > "Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
> > news:b90lB6B...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > > If you keep track of wrongs, you show neither love nor forgiveness,
and
> > are
> > > carnal and petty.
> > >
> > > --
> > > In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no
more,
> > and
> > > that which is not will be.
> > > "fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ohx8d2B...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > > > Name calling such as "carnal and petty" are not allowed. This is
the
> > last
> > > I
> > > > will comment on the matter.
> > > >
> > > > fish
> > > > Janitor
> > > >
> > > > Steven N Colling <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:CWBmtwB...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > > > > What antics are you referring to?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no
> > more,
> > > > and
> > > > > that which is not will be.
> > > > > "fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:RghF#uBAAH...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > > > > > Thank you Karyn. The janitor is not amused. She will reconsider
> > > > moderation
> > > > > > for this
> > > > > > Christian ng if such antics continue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > fish
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:9rEqqY9$$GA....@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > > > > > > Steven, we don't call one another names like "carnal, small,
and
> > > > petty"
> > > > > > > around here and when we do the janitor mops it up. Seeing as
the
> > > > janitor
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > feeling poorly, though, let's clean this up ourselves. I'll go
> get
> > > the
> > > > > > broom
> > > > > > > and you can hold the dustpan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Karyn
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:1aZWsE9$$GA....@tweedledum.annex.com...
Steven N Colling
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more, and
that which is not will be.
"Vic Hauk" <vh...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:398EB64A...@flash.net...
> In truth, the point of the scripture is actually, "if my brother offends
me,
> even 7 times in one day, must I forgive him? And Jesus said, 7 times 70."
> Turning your other cheek is to our enemies. There is no limit to how
often we
> should turn the other cheek. Just as there is no limit to how often we
should
> give more than demanded of us, and pray for those who despitefully use us,
and
> love those who persecute us.
>
> vic
>
> Steven N Colling wrote:
>
Jenn
My friends are adults who are totally free to be who they are even if I
don't like what they say or how they say it. I'm not into being their
mom... nor am I into gagging them, or cencoring how they express themselves.
Jenn
fish wrote in message ...
>Thank you for your input. You can help keep this ng from becoming
moderated
>by giving gentle reminders when you see your friends step over the line.
If
>everyone helped their friends then no one would have to censor their foes.
>
>fish
>Janitor
>
>Jenn <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:rSikbLC...@tweedledum.annex.com...
>> Fish,
>>
>> You're privilege to moderate or close it down... I don't think any
>> moderator would have the ability to be fair. People have their
favorites,
>> and their favorites would be allowed to just get away with a lil more
than
>> those who aren't favorites would get away with. Human nature, and how I
>see
>> things. It's taken months for this group to openly correct a few posters
>> here who had for a long time posted things that if I had said would have
>> been red X'd if this group were moderated. This group has evolved
BECAUSE
>> of the interaction and communication of people, not because of being told
>to
>> shut up or gagged.
>>
>> Jenn
>>
>>
>> fish wrote in message ...
Jenn
You do your own share of whinning, but I could almost bet you wouldn't get
red 'x'd for it.
Jenn
kitty wrote in message ...
>Fish,
>you've bent over backwards to be fair to everybody. Some will use any
>excuse to whine about their treatment when in fact they are among the worst
>offenders.
>
>
>"fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:WUnCCHC...@tweedledum.annex.com...
Steven N Colling
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more, and
that which is not will be.
"Jenn" <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7531MSL...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> fish,
>
> My friends are adults who are totally free to be who they are even if I
> don't like what they say or how they say it. I'm not into being their
> mom... nor am I into gagging them, or cencoring how they express
themselves.
>
> Jenn
>
> fish wrote in message ...
> >Thank you for your input. You can help keep this ng from becoming
> moderated
> >by giving gentle reminders when you see your friends step over the line.
> If
> >everyone helped their friends then no one would have to censor their
foes.
> >
> >fish
> >Janitor
> >
> >Jenn <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:rSikbLC...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> >> Fish,
> >>
> >> You're privilege to moderate or close it down... I don't think any
> >> moderator would have the ability to be fair. People have their
> favorites,
> >> and their favorites would be allowed to just get away with a lil more
> than
> >> those who aren't favorites would get away with. Human nature, and how
I
> >see
> >> things. It's taken months for this group to openly correct a few
posters
> >> here who had for a long time posted things that if I had said would
have
> >> been red X'd if this group were moderated. This group has evolved
> BECAUSE
> >> of the interaction and communication of people, not because of being
told
> >to
> >> shut up or gagged.
> >>
Jenn
< I couldn't resist> hehe
Jenn
Karyn...@msn.com wrote in message ...
>If you were counting yourself the pronoun should have been WE not YOU.
>
>--
>Karyn
>
>"Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
>news:uxhnm#BAAH...@tweedledum.annex.com...
>> BTW, as a human, I fall under that category too, but that still does not
>> make what I said wrong.
>>
>> --
>> In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more,
>and
>> that which is not will be.
>> "Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
>> news:b90lB6B...@tweedledum.annex.com...
>> > If you keep track of wrongs, you show neither love nor forgiveness, and
>> are
>> > carnal and petty.
>> >
>> > --
>> > In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more,
>> and
>> > that which is not will be.
>> > "fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:ohx8d2B...@tweedledum.annex.com...
>> > > Name calling such as "carnal and petty" are not allowed. This is the
>> last
>> > I
>> > > will comment on the matter.
>> > >
>> > > fish
>> > > Janitor
>> > >
>> > > Steven N Colling <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:CWBmtwB...@tweedledum.annex.com...
>> > > > What antics are you referring to?
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no
>> more,
>> > > and
>> > > > that which is not will be.
>> > > > "fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > > news:RghF#uBAAH...@tweedledum.annex.com...
>> > > > > Thank you Karyn. The janitor is not amused. She will reconsider
>> > > moderation
>> > > > > for this
>> > > > > Christian ng if such antics continue.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > fish
>> > > > >
>> > > > > <Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > news:9rEqqY9$$GA....@tweedledum.annex.com...
>> > > > > > Steven, we don't call one another names like "carnal, small,
and
>> > > petty"
>> > > > > > around here and when we do the janitor mops it up. Seeing as
the
>> > > janitor
>> > > > > is
>> > > > > > feeling poorly, though, let's clean this up ourselves. I'll go
>get
>> > the
>> > > > > broom
>> > > > > > and you can hold the dustpan.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > --
>> > > > > > Karyn
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > "Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > > news:1aZWsE9$$GA....@tweedledum.annex.com...
>> > > > > > > Love does not keep score, If someone insults you, and you say
>> > > > something
>> > > > > > > like, "well, that is #439, 397 cheeks to go", that is not
>love,
>> > and
>> > > > that
>> > > > > > is
>> > > > > > > not the Christian value spoken of in scripture. I see two
>> problems
>> > > > here.
>> > > > > > > First is that you are carnal, small, and petty. You and only
>you
>> > can
>> > > > > > create
>> > > > > > > an insult by receiving it. Second, you can not have love
>without
>> > > > > > > forgiveness, and if you have forgiveness, then every time
>> someone
>> > > > > > "insults"
>> > > > > > > you it would be as if the first time. IMHO
>> > > > > > >
Marylyn
behavior is less than it should be. It's a blessing IMO. I don't have to
agree with them, can discard what they've said if I like, but good friends
don't have a problem with that so it works out okay.
fish
fish
Janitor
<Karyn...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:KViGU7M...@tweedledum.annex.com...
I'll fetch the broom.
--
Karyn
"Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
news:aIwoJwM...@tweedledum.annex.com...
you would know about shaming people, you are so good at it.
kitty
talking to me? or that i wasn't someone's favorite? or how abused i am
here?
have you ever thought of going into standup comedy?
"Jenn" <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:s#LCpSLA...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> kitty,
>
> You do your own share of whinning, but I could almost bet you wouldn't get
> red 'x'd for it.
>
> Jenn
>
> kitty wrote in message ...
> >Fish,
> >you've bent over backwards to be fair to everybody. Some will use any
> >excuse to whine about their treatment when in fact they are among the
worst
> >offenders.
> >
> >
> >"fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:WUnCCHC...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> >> If the personal attacks continue, I would rather see this newsgroup
die.
> >We
> >> are a witness to the world reflecting who we are. We are called to
love
> >and
> >> care for one another and to reason things out, and to have respectful
> >> discourse. I will moderate this newsgroup into the ground and shut it
> >down
> >> before I will allow it to become a poor witness for Christ.
> >>
> >> I have little bias one way or the other towards different Christian
> >> traditions, denominations or viewpoints. My theology is just mine, I
have
> >> really no clue whether I am "right" or not. I just love Jesus like
> >everyone
> >> else here and I like lively debate, and I like everyone here.
> >>
> >> I have sought to be fair in my janitor duties. Anyone who sees me
being
> >> unfair is free to call it to my attention, privately or publicly, using
> >> specific examples please, and not vague accusations or complaints.. I
am
> >> only human.
> >>
> >> fish
> >> Janitor
> >>
> >>
> >> Jenn <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:foTsn#BAAH...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> >> > I tell ya... only a select few here are allowed to speak freely,,,
go
> >> ahead
> >> > and moderate this group, fish. It will just get worse.
> >> >
> >> > Jenn
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > fish wrote in message ...
Karen Nathan
I'm hoping James, with his many commentaries, might be able to
shed some more light on the subject. James, are you there?
--Karen
>Thank you Karen. I was looking for some more commentary on that,
>and voila!
>fish
fish
fish
Karen Nathan <kna...@home.com> wrote in message
news:Tl81VtM...@tweedledum.annex.com...
It may not be your interpretation, but it's certainly not preposterous. I
can't
get to my books right now, but here are two online commentaries on the
verse:
"The heaping coals of fire on his head most likely refers to a "burning
conviction" that our kindness places on our enemy, or it may also refer to
the practice of lending coals from a fire to help a neighbor start their
own -
an act of kindness to be appreciated." (David Guzik Online Study Guide for
Romans)
"Heaping coals of fire on someone's head refers to the fact that people
often
carried coals in packs on their backs and were given live coals by friends.
It
was a gracious act." (Chuck Smith Online Study Guide for Romans)
--Karen
DCK Merrill wrote:
>I find that interpretation preposterous.
"Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
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It comes from a time and place where things were carried on the head. If
your fire went out you would go borrow coals to start a fire. So when it is
said in the Bible to heap coals upon the heads of your enemies, it means to
bless them more than they could imagine.
fish
interject that neither explanation is satisfactory to me, not the sharing of
coals or the shaming by opposite example. Wonder if we could dig deeper and
see if anyone else has another interpretation or some historical context for
this heaping coals example. Eh?
fish
John S. McEnery <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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Now I'm not a Christian?
Steven N Colling <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
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so you are saying God would have us shame people having removed our shame
Himself????? that does not sound like sound Christian doctrine to me.
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more,
and that which is not will be.
"John S. McEnery" <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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Which is to say that you shall shame him by treating him with love
rather than enmity...it has nothing whatsoever to do with carrying fires on
one's head.
Steve...you are fun....and God must bless you mightily to have given you
such a vivid imagination
I must admit that you are one of my favorite people here...very special.
John
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Steven N Colling <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
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Romans 12:19-21 ""BUT IF YOUR ENEMY IS HUNGRY, FEED HIM, AND IF HE IS
THIRSTY, GIVE HIM A DRINK; FOR IN SO DOING YOU WILL HEAP BURNING COALS ON
HIS HEAD.''
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no
more, and that which is not will be.
"John S. McEnery" <bigjohn...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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of course...since it has no historical justification whatsoever.
Lets call it a parable
(g)
John
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Steven N Colling <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
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Of that I have no Doubt.
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no
more, and that which is not will be.
"DCK Merrill" <scurr...@msn.com> wrote in message
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I find that interpretation preposterous.
"Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
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It comes from a time and place where things were carried on
the head. If your fire went out you would go borrow coals to start a fire.
So when it is said in the Bible to heap coals upon the heads of your
enemies, it means to bless them more than they could imagine.
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be
no more, and that which is not will be.
"kitty" <cats...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Maybe for you, but for many it's being burned alive ---
"Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in
message news:gD0ikLA...@tweedledum.annex.com...
heaping coals on the head is a blessing actually.
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is
will be no more, and that which is not will be.
"kitty" <cats...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I think the "keeping score" was to illustrate how many
times many of us have to "turn the other cheek" to others here. Only by
seeing that one feels the need to turn the cheek can some people hopefully
see how their words affect (and many times offend) others. it's a lead-pipe
cinch that just saying so doesn't really work. it just fuels more of what
at times amounts to verbal abuse. Even when more than one brother, sister
or both speak to the problem, it is only an excuse for the person being
confronted to reject what is said and heap coals of fire on their heads
under the guise of their being misled, ignorant of the subject or the
meaning and the purpose. Oddly enough, it's usually the one who lights the
most fires who most complains about the heat.
"Steven N Colling" <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in
message news:Z3J0YR9$$GA....@tweedledum.annex.com...
John, I was not speaking of you in particular, I was
just stating that if anyone keeps track, then it is not love nor
forgiveness.
--
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is
will be no more, and that which is not will be.
"John S. McEnery" <bigjohn...@email.msn.com>
wrote in message news:4kyFRO9$$GA....@tweedledum.annex.com...
Steven...
Your math is in error.
If that were 439 there would only be 51 more
turnings.
Your citation of the scripture is also in error
it is turnings of the cheek that are counted, not
the number of cheeks.
and your count is off...I have only counted 4 before
this ...which makes it 5 ...leaving 485 turnings ( not cheeks) to go.
At which point of course we shall start
afresh...because as I am sure you know the #7 meaning a completion
multiplied by the # 70 which is a completion multiplied by 10...is an
implication of infinity.
Therefore you can keep on saying things like I am
"carnal, small and petty" as long as you wish....to infinity
I shall, of course, not counter with insults because
I would not wish to be "carnal, small and petty."
Be Happy...God loves you.
John
"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil
speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another,
tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ forgave you."Eph
4:31-32
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Steven N Colling <scol...@harborside.com> wrote
in message news:1aZWsE9$$GA....@tweedledum.annex.com...
Love does not keep score, If someone insults you,
and you say something
like, "well, that is #439, 397 cheeks to go", that
is not love, and that is
not the Christian value spoken of in scripture. I
see two problems here.
First is that you are carnal, small, and petty.
You and only you can create
an insult by receiving it. Second, you can not
have love without
forgiveness, and if you have forgiveness, then
every time someone "insults"
you it would be as if the first time. IMHO
--
fish
fish
Steven N Colling <scol...@harborside.com> wrote in message
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> I wonder what friends she is talking about?
>
> --
> In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, that which is will be no more,
and
> that which is not will be.
> "Jenn" <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7531MSL...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > fish,
> >
> > My friends are adults who are totally free to be who they are even if I
> > don't like what they say or how they say it. I'm not into being their
> > mom... nor am I into gagging them, or cencoring how they express
> themselves.
> >
> > Jenn
> >
> > fish wrote in message ...
> > >Thank you for your input. You can help keep this ng from becoming
> > moderated
> > >by giving gentle reminders when you see your friends step over the
line.
> > If
> > >everyone helped their friends then no one would have to censor their
> foes.
> > >
> > >fish
> > >Janitor
> > >
> > >Jenn <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:rSikbLC...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> > >> Fish,
> > >>
> > >> You're privilege to moderate or close it down... I don't think any
> > >> moderator would have the ability to be fair. People have their
> > favorites,
> > >> and their favorites would be allowed to just get away with a lil more
> > than
> > >> those who aren't favorites would get away with. Human nature, and
how
> I
> > >see
> > >> things. It's taken months for this group to openly correct a few
> posters
> > >> here who had for a long time posted things that if I had said would
> have
> > >> been red X'd if this group were moderated. This group has evolved
> > BECAUSE
> > >> of the interaction and communication of people, not because of being
> told
> > >to
> > >> shut up or gagged.
> > >>
Steven N Colling
kitty
fire upon his head one would not necessarily be shaming him. It's not a
literal pouring of coals on his head -- which would hurt physically. it's
like returning good for evil..... it reaches the inner part of the person.
yes, there might be some shame involved.... the conscience might burn a
little.
I don't think it refers to carrying coals on one's head either. coals would
more likely be carried in jars which could be hung from sticks so that the
heat would not burn either the person carrying it or the container it was
in.
"fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Vic Hauk
Maybe not historical, but the way I have been led to see this example. If we
pray for our enemies, then God brings conviction upon them, and this, if anyone
has come under His conviction in this circumstance, can be equated to coals of
fire. Saul was an enemy of the church, and meet this fire. Our God is a
consumning fire.
His love,
vic
Jenn
You complain and whine about alot of things here. For one, you do it when
people say things you don't like, and you tend to be brash about it when you
do, but you don't call it whinning, tho.
Jenn
kitty wrote in message ...
>I do my share of whining? when did i ever complain that people weren't
>talking to me? or that i wasn't someone's favorite? or how abused i am
>here?
>
>have you ever thought of going into standup comedy?
>
>"Jenn" <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:s#LCpSLA...@tweedledum.annex.com...
>> kitty,
>>
>> You do your own share of whinning, but I could almost bet you wouldn't
get
>> red 'x'd for it.
>>
>> Jenn
>>
>> kitty wrote in message ...
>> >Fish,
>> >you've bent over backwards to be fair to everybody. Some will use any
>> >excuse to whine about their treatment when in fact they are among the
>worst
>> >offenders.
>> >
>> >
>> >"fish" <fish...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:WUnCCHC...@tweedledum.annex.com...
Jenn
Jenn
Marylyn wrote in message <0g6pVoL...@tweedledum.annex.com>...
>I appreciate it when a friend taps me on the shoulder and tells me when my
>behavior is less than it should be. It's a blessing IMO. I don't have to
>agree with them, can discard what they've said if I like, but good friends
>don't have a problem with that so it works out okay.
>
>"Jenn" <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:7531MSL...@tweedledum.annex.com...
>> fish,
>>
>> My friends are adults who are totally free to be who they are even if I
>> don't like what they say or how they say it. I'm not into being their
>> mom... nor am I into gagging them, or cencoring how they express
>themselves.
>>
>> Jenn
>>
>> fish wrote in message ...
kitty
lessons.
"Jenn" <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Kitty,
>
> You complain and whine about alot of things here. For one, you do it when
> people say things you don't like, and you tend to be brash about it when
you
> do, but you don't call it whinning, tho.
>
> Jenn
>
> kitty wrote in message ...
> >I do my share of whining? when did i ever complain that people weren't
> >talking to me? or that i wasn't someone's favorite? or how abused i am
> >here?
> >
> >have you ever thought of going into standup comedy?
> >
> >"Jenn" <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> Jenn <Proph...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:foTsn#BAAH...@tweedledum.annex.com...
> >> >> > I tell ya... only a select few here are allowed to speak
freely,,,
> >go
> >> >> ahead
> >> >> > and moderate this group, fish. It will just get worse.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Jenn
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > fish wrote in message ...
Marylyn
"kitty" <cats...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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