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Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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Jan 29, 2007, 10:38:15 AM1/29/07
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Goto this page and read the article ...
http://news.com.com/Did+Microsoft+want+to+whack+Dell+over+its+Linux+dealings/2100-1014_3-6153904.html

I'm going to look for the website that has those disclosed Microsoft
documents, but they pretty much prove what we consumers have been guessing
all along. I hope they get burned alive in this anti-trust case in Iowa.

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Joanna Tsui

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Jan 29, 2007, 3:21:10 PM1/29/07
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errr...what?
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Aratos

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Jan 30, 2007, 5:05:54 AM1/30/07
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eh, whatever. I'll take an interest when I see them doing something
that every other big business on the facwe of the planet hasn't.

On Jan 29, 3:38 pm, "Michael \"TheZorch\" Haney" <thezo...@gmail.com>
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> Goto this page and read the article ...http://news.com.com/Did+Microsoft+want+to+whack+Dell+over+its+Linux+d...


>
> I'm going to look for the website that has those disclosed Microsoft
> documents, but they pretty much prove what we consumers have been guessing
> all along. I hope they get burned alive in this anti-trust case in Iowa.
>
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Joanna Tsui

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too long. I didnt read it

Gold Dust Woman

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Jan 30, 2007, 4:42:35 PM1/30/07
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i read it, but i don't really know what's going on.
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Jan 31, 2007, 11:39:40 AM1/31/07
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hmmm...is this microsoft's way to protest against linux? i havnt read
evry thing in detail as in the law suits n all. but this is de gist i
get. linux is hurting them a lot afterall. but then they do overprice
windows n make tons of money.

On Jan 29, 10:38 pm, "Michael \"TheZorch\" Haney" <thezo...@gmail.com>
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> Goto this page and read the article ...http://news.com.com/Did+Microsoft+want+to+whack+Dell+over+its+Linux+d...


>
> I'm going to look for the website that has those disclosed Microsoft
> documents, but they pretty much prove what we consumers have been guessing
> all along. I hope they get burned alive in this anti-trust case in Iowa.
>
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Aratos

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Jan 31, 2007, 12:05:49 PM1/31/07
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No, Microsoft's protest against Linux is the halloween documents or
whatever they're called. And that happened years ago. Besides, Gates
is openly against free software (as opposed to open source, if you ask
Richard Stallman. Who's a wierdo.) It's interesting really.

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:42:35 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
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> i read it, but i don't really know what's going on.
>

The acticle basically shows the first proof on paper how Microsoft is
deliberately anti-competitive agianst other companies. They had planned
to actually "punish" Dell for selling computers with Linux installed on
them instead of software from Microsoft.

Those of us who haven't fallen for the MS propoganda knew stuff like this
was going on for years, and this is finally the proof we've needed for a
long time.

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Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:39:40 -0500, crackle.24 <manas...@gmail.com>
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> hmmm...is this microsoft's way to protest against linux? i havnt read
> evry thing in detail as in the law suits n all. but this is de gist i
> get. linux is hurting them a lot afterall. but then they do overprice
> windows n make tons of money.
>

Windows Vista is out now and Microsoft tried to hold a big Midnight Launch
Event like they did for Windows XP, but hardly anybody showed up this time
around. Boxes of the OS are sitting on store shelves collecting dust at
the local CompUSA Superstore. Its selling, barely. Unlike a few years
ago when XP first came out consumers are better informed becasue of Blogs
and online forums like this one. The word has gotten out to the masses.

Windows Vista is a P.O.S.

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Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:05:49 -0500, Aratos <aratos.w...@gmail.com>
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> No, Microsoft's protest against Linux is the halloween documents or
> whatever they're called. And that happened years ago. Besides, Gates
> is openly against free software (as opposed to open source, if you ask
> Richard Stallman. Who's a wierdo.) It's interesting really.
>

Linux is far more stable, secure, robust, and flexible for use on servers
than anything Microsoft has come up with. With Linux a network admin can
control every aspect of the operating system including the Kernel, but on
a Microsoft server you have far more limited options. That is why Linux
is kicking Microsoft's perverbial ass in the corporate server market.
Ever since they switched to Linux, IBM has been making boat loads of money
and so is Dell's Linux server division.

In the hearts and minds of the people Windows might still be the King od
the Desktop but even that flimsy illusion is starting to fade.

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wryth

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Jan 31, 2007, 2:44:41 PM1/31/07
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In the end, I think the true battle will be between OS X and Linux.
Linux for it's stability and open-source(ness) and OS X for it's user-
friendly(ness). Microsoft has gone so far in terms of Digital Rights
Managements and other sorts of copyright rules that their system has
become completely infiltrated and rather useless to the rest of us
consumers. I for one will remain loyal to OS X and XP (for games and
such). No vista!


Ps. Did you guys hear about how if you use an upgrade version of Vista
on XP your XP key gets invalidated? It is on Digg front page today.
http://www.tomcoyote.org/tech/vista-upgrade-invalidates-your-xp-key/
74/

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> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:05:49 -0500, Aratos <aratos.whiteh...@gmail.com>


> wrote:
>
> > No, Microsoft's protest against Linux is the halloween documents or
> > whatever they're called. And that happened years ago. Besides, Gates
> > is openly against free software (as opposed to open source, if you ask
> > Richard Stallman. Who's a wierdo.) It's interesting really.
>
> Linux is far more stable, secure, robust, and flexible for use on servers
> than anything Microsoft has come up with. With Linux a network admin can
> control every aspect of the operating system including the Kernel, but on
> a Microsoft server you have far more limited options. That is why Linux
> is kicking Microsoft's perverbial ass in the corporate server market.
> Ever since they switched to Linux, IBM has been making boat loads of money
> and so is Dell's Linux server division.
>
> In the hearts and minds of the people Windows might still be the King od
> the Desktop but even that flimsy illusion is starting to fade.
>
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Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:44:41 -0500, wryth <one....@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the end, I think the true battle will be between OS X and Linux.
> Linux for it's stability and open-source(ness) and OS X for it's user-
> friendly(ness). Microsoft has gone so far in terms of Digital Rights
> Managements and other sorts of copyright rules that their system has
> become completely infiltrated and rather useless to the rest of us
> consumers. I for one will remain loyal to OS X and XP (for games and
> such). No vista!
>

One of the reasons why I'm switch to a Mac as soon as I can get one. I
have my eye on that nice 20" iMac, but if I could afford it I'd get the
Mac Pro. Dual Dual Core Processors baby!

>
> Ps. Did you guys hear about how if you use an upgrade version of Vista
> on XP your XP key gets invalidated? It is on Digg front page today.
> http://www.tomcoyote.org/tech/vista-upgrade-invalidates-your-xp-key/
> 74/
>

I saw that, I'm signed up for Digg. Its like I figured they'd do.
Microsoft would find some way to keep people from being able to go back to
XP. Problem is 10 years ago they could get away with it and nobody would
be the wiser. They could suspect it but that's about it. Today things
are different and they can't get away with it anymore without the whole
world learning about it.

Mark my words, we are watching the fall of Microsoft as it happens before
our very eyes. History will be made this year.

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Gold Dust Woman

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Feb 1, 2007, 1:21:43 AM2/1/07
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microsoft shouldn't be so anti-competitive since linux and mac aren't really attracting many customers anyway.  microsoft is still the os most used by corporations & the average user.  linux is too 1337, and macs aren't compatable with too many programs.

Aratos

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aren't compatible with too many programmes, _and_ have a sucky OS to
boot! I mean, seriously. Windows crashes, it's usually third-part
software and can be fixed without reinstalling your entire OS. Mac OS
crashes and it's a problem with the kernel that means you have to
reinstall the whole bloody thing. I know which I prefer.

Course I go for the best of both worlds. Two HD's, one with windows
and one with UNIX. Got everything I need.

On Feb 1, 6:21 am, "Gold Dust Woman" <goldustwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> microsoft shouldn't be so anti-competitive since linux and mac aren't really
> attracting many customers anyway. microsoft is still the os most used by
> corporations & the average user. linux is too 1337, and macs aren't
> compatable with too many programs.
>

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> Make you break down
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Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:21:43 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
<goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> microsoft shouldn't be so anti-competitive since linux and mac aren't
> really
> attracting many customers anyway. microsoft is still the os most used by
> corporations & the average user. linux is too 1337, and macs aren't
> compatable with too many programs.
>

Boy are you out of touch! Apple's computers have been selling like crazy
in the past year after their switch to Intel from IBM's RISC-based PowerPC
processors, and the arrival of "BootCamp".

Linux dominates the high-end corporate server market right now with Dell
and IBM, the two biggest suppliers of high-end servers, pushing Linux like
crazy and corporations like it when they save money because they aren't
paying Microsoft's huge licensing fees anymore. I don't know where you've
been the past year and half but the world has change dramatically, at
least the corporate world has.

Because of BootCamp more and more people are buying Macs as a replacement
PC for the home. Apple's sales figures prove it, and more game publishers
are starting to release Mac versions of their games now more than ever. A
few are even releasing Linux versions.

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 08:12:46 -0500, Aratos <aratos.w...@gmail.com>
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> aren't compatible with too many programmes, _and_ have a sucky OS to
> boot! I mean, seriously. Windows crashes, it's usually third-part
> software and can be fixed without reinstalling your entire OS. Mac OS
> crashes and it's a problem with the kernel that means you have to
> reinstall the whole bloody thing. I know which I prefer.
>
> Course I go for the best of both worlds. Two HD's, one with windows
> and one with UNIX. Got everything I need.
>

Ever hear of Ubuntu. I've never seen such a buzz over a Linux
distrobution than I've seen around this one. I've tried the LiveCD (a
bootable CD that allows you to test an operating system without actually
installing it first) and its pretty damn good. The Compiz window manager
works very much like a cross between Mac OS X's top menu bar and the
Windows Start Menu. Everything you need to control your Linux system is
easily available in a Control Panel just like Windows, and its fast.
Coupled with the new distrobution of Compiz called Beryl, XGL (X Windows
OpenGL) and "official" Nvidia and ATI graphics drivers you get a graphical
desktop which has more eye-candy and bells & whistles than Windows Vista's
new Aero Glass desktop.

The new Ubuntu with Beryl, XGL and official drivers from ATI and Nvidia
has unique special effects which don't take up massive amounts of CPU
power. Move a window around and it flaps like a piece of paper. Close a
window and it sudden bursts into flames like a magicians flash paper.
Switch between the four virtual desktops and the display rotates like a
cube with each side of the cube representing each desktop, and there's
more. Wine and other implimentations of it like CrossOver Office and
Cedega (a version of Wine designed specifically for gaming) have made
significent Windows program compatibility improvements over the past few
years.

Windows Vista's sales are very sluggish right now. Its parely trickling
off the shelves at local computer stores. Recent discoveries such as the
fact that if you upgrade from XP to Vista your copy of XP gets invalidated
"forever" doesn't help sales any, and hundreds of Blogs all over the
Internet have been warning people about the dangerous of Vista's crippling
Digital Right Management technology which gives big comglomerates like the
RIAA, MPAA, and BSA the right to control what you can and cannot do on
your own computer. Consumers are more well informed in this day and age
and Microsoft is being to learn that they can't pull the wool over
people's eyes anymore. AND, do not get me started with the NSA's backdoor
into every copy of Windows which was also discovered.

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Aratos

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Feb 1, 2007, 1:05:59 PM2/1/07
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Why of course I've heard of ubuntu. Got it installed on one of my PCs
as it happens. And what a POS it is. Had to manually activate root to
get proper security, which of course the manual warned me not to, it's
based on Debian and as a result has all the associated problems. Oh,
and comes with a java compiler as standard but no gcc. What a load of
dung! It may be great for home users who don't understand linux, but
for anyone who really wants control of their OS? Give me slackware any
day.

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Gold Dust Woman

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i don't know what people you're talking about, but almost everyone i know in real life and online uses windows, not linux or mac.  only two people i know use linux and mac.  all the companies my parents have worked for only use windows.  most people i know don't even know what linux is.

Gold Dust Woman

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the reason windows vista isn't selling may not be because people don't like windows; it may be just because they see no reason to upgrade from xp or earlier versions.  i have windows xp and i'm fine with it.  i probably won't be upgrading my windows for another decade or so.

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Aratos

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Feb 1, 2007, 3:59:09 PM2/1/07
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I'd have to agree with you there, actually. I've come across very very
few people who don't use windows, despite what all the hype people
say. Personally, I'm neutal on the whole thing. If it runs all the
applications I want, I'm happy., And besides, security on a computer
is only as good as the user. There was an interesting white paper on
the register a couple weeks ago actually, pointing out the virus etc
risks on mac os and linux. Fascinating.

On Feb 1, 8:53 pm, "Gold Dust Woman" <goldustwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i don't know what people you're talking about, but almost everyone i know in
> real life and online uses windows, not linux or mac. only two people i know
> use linux and mac. all the companies my parents have worked for only use
> windows. most people i know don't even know what linux is.
>

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:53:30 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
<goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i don't know what people you're talking about, but almost everyone i
> know in
> real life and online uses windows, not linux or mac. only two people i
> know
> use linux and mac. all the companies my parents have worked for only use
> windows. most people i know don't even know what linux is.
>

Here around D.C. there's a Apple Store in the Pentagon City mall. Its
always full of people, and a majority of them are buying or considering
buying a Mac, an iPod, or both. There are a lot of job postings in the
area for people with Linux skills.

Never ever imagine that Microsoft "cannot" be taken down because they are
too big. There have been many examples in history where huge companies
have fallen, and fell hard. Enron is one, Hudsons is anothers, not to
mention Worldcom, @Home remember them, and lets not forget what happened
to Kmart. Kmart survived their fall, barely, and later became absorbed
into Sears. So do be fooled into thinking that because they're Microsoft
that they'll be top dog for all time. Oh and there's another company on
the verge of crashing ... SONY!

Lets see what their problems are ...

The XCP Scandal: Millions of users computers get infected by a DRM scheme
called "XCP" on Sony/BMG music CDs. The DRM opened up huge holes in
Windows XP's security and it technology for making its files invisible has
gotten into the hands of ScriptKiddies who wrote several viruses using
it. Sony released a removal tool but it proved to be worse than XCP
itself. Recently the FTC settle the case against Sony and even the
Department of Homeland Security went after them for violating the security
of so many computers. Sony is ordered to replace every CD sold with one
without DRM and to pay $150 to the millions of users who had to pay money
to have the damage to there PCs repaired.

Great Batteries of Fire: Sony supplies batteries to several laptop
manufacturers including Dell, Toshiba, and Apple. A batch of several
million batteries had a defect where they could overheat and catch fire.
It caused a big stink and airlines demanded people remove the batteries
from their laptops before they could go a plane. It is costing Sony
millions to replace all of those batteries to customers and to the
companies that bought them.

The Not-So-Playstation 3: Live by over-hype, die by over-hype. Sony
preached and preached to us about the awesome power of the Playstation 3
and what it would be able to do. However, the reality is that the system
is the most expensive game system to be released since the Neo-Geo, its
games have shown considerable slowdown when there shouldn't be any, you
can only enjoy HD movies with the BluRay player on your HDTV at 1080p only
if it has an HDMI port because of BluRay's DRM, only the most expensive
model has the flash memory reader and larger hard drive, and worst of all
the system's backwards compatibility isn't so backward compatible.

Sucky Sales: Sales for Sony products are down worldwide. More and more
people are buying cheaper competitor's HDTVs, DVD players, stereos, and
etc.

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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:57:01 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
<goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the reason windows vista isn't selling may not be because people don't
> like
> windows; it may be just because they see no reason to upgrade from xp or
> earlier versions. i have windows xp and i'm fine with it. i probably
> won't
> be upgrading my windows for another decade or so.
>

If you do your copy of XP will be "forever" invalidated by Microsoft's
validation system. That means that you can never install your copy of XP
again and try to reactivate it ... ever. This was discovered not long and
posted over at Digg.com.

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Aratos

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Feb 1, 2007, 6:44:04 PM2/1/07
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and you believe everything digg.com says?

There's a way around everything.

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> On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 15:57:01 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
>

> <goldustwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > the reason windows vista isn't selling may not be because people don't
> > like
> > windows; it may be just because they see no reason to upgrade from xp or
> > earlier versions. i have windows xp and i'm fine with it. i probably
> > won't
> > be upgrading my windows for another decade or so.
>
> If you do your copy of XP will be "forever" invalidated by Microsoft's
> validation system. That means that you can never install your copy of XP
> again and try to reactivate it ... ever. This was discovered not long and
> posted over at Digg.com.
>
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Min

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Feb 1, 2007, 10:19:02 PM2/1/07
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i thought this was an Anime group.  Its one thing to get off topic but its another thing to start topic that has nothing to do with anime. 

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Min

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to all the nix fan boys out here.  nix will never be popular.  you can dream but it will never ever happen.  there are just too many idiots out there.  

Gold Dust Woman

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yeah, in my experience, a person never gets a virus unless they go to porn sites or open one from a spam email.
how'd kmart fall?  i see their ads at least 5 times in one hour on tv.
just because people are in the mac store doesn't mean they're going to buy one.  people go in antique stores and don't buy anything.  i'm pretty sure most people use windows.
yeah, linux isn't very user friendly.  and most programs are made for windows.  so macs and linux will never beat windows as long as those things stay true.
since we're on the subject of comps, anyone have any ideas why my 256 mb flash drive works on my comp but my 1 gig one doesn't?  my comp doesn't recognize the 1 gig flash drive when i put it in, and the light only stays on for a second then turns off.

Aratos

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Feb 2, 2007, 6:35:46 AM2/2/07
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Agreed on both your comments.

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> i thought this was an Anime group. Its one thing to get off topic but its
> another thing to start topic that has nothing to do with anime.
>

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:44:04 -0500, Aratos <aratos.w...@gmail.com>
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> and you believe everything digg.com says?
>
> There's a way around everything.
>

Digg.com is a site for posting links to articles on the web. The article
in particular was at Arstechnica.com, probably one of the most respected
technology news websites on the entire Internet.

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 04:22:33 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
<goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yeah, in my experience, a person never gets a virus unless they go to
> porn
> sites or open one from a spam email.

Wrong, wrong, wrong! You can get a virus just by being on the Internet
without a firewall and without going to any websites or reading any emails
at all. How? This is where the Zombies come in, they run code that
probes random IP addresses and ports, when they find one that doesn't
bounce they run a script to infiltrate that system, it gets into the
Windows Scripting Host and starts an FTP session to download a virus
installer, and walla! you got an infected system. Congratulations! I
watched it happen before my very eyes several times.

> how'd kmart fall? i see their ads at least 5 times in one hour on tv.

Sometime back they went into chapter 11 bankruptcy. I used to work for
them at their Headquarters as a Store Support technician and was privy to
some of the companies inner workings. We were able to see the problems
coming long before the public learned about it. For a while it looked
like Kmart might actually have to close all of their stores, but they
lucked out and only had to close a majority of them. A few years later
they were acquired by Sears.

> just because people are in the mac store doesn't mean they're going to
> buy
> one. people go in antique stores and don't buy anything. i'm pretty
> sure
> most people use windows.

Most people use Windows because Microsoft forces PC makers into agreements
that say they can't offer alternatives to customers. Its the whole reason
why they're in court for Anti-Trust violations.

Sales figures don't lie. Apple broke even last year in computer sales
while Microsoft threw away billions.

> yeah, linux isn't very user friendly. and most programs are made for
> windows. so macs and linux will never beat windows as long as those
> things
> stay true.

Do some research before you make yourself sound ignorant. Linux has come
a long way since the days when you had to have a degree to understand its
inner workings. The distributions of today are as easy to use as Windows
itself. Ubuntu is one of them, and the latest versions fix many of the
issues of past versions including Macromedia Flash 9 support, not being
able to do certain things without having admin access, and more. Your
statement is wrong because its based on outdated knowledge and Microsoft
propoganda.

> since we're on the subject of comps, anyone have any ideas why my 256 mb
> flash drive works on my comp but my 1 gig one doesn't? my comp doesn't
> recognize the 1 gig flash drive when i put it in, and the light only
> stays
> on for a second then turns off.
>

Does it work in other computers? Its not unheard of for flash drives to
go bad. They store data using an electro-chemical process which degrades
after so many rewrite cycles, usually a 1,000 or so for most. This is why
its recommended to use them just for storage or to use portable
applications which are designed to minimize write operations to the flash
drive. It likely isn't your BIOS since its Windows' subsystem for
portable media which accesses USB flash drives and flash memory cards in
card readers.

Try it in another computer and if it still doesn't work then its gone
bad. If it does work you might have either a problem with your USB
controller or the portable media service in Windows.

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Sorry about the "ignorant" part GDW but when I think about the stuff
Microsoft has done and the technology they've suppressed or bought-out and
then messed up it makes me so pissed off. >.<

Remember I've been in the IT business on the corporate level for a long
time and I've seen how they work. Expecially how Micorosoft's marketing
reps do their job, the creeps are worse then IRS tax auditors.

The rumors about the "Microsoft Tax" is all true, you pay extra taxes when
buying a computer because PC makers have to pass on the cost of the
operating system on to consumers. Until recently several PC makers have
been in binding agreements with Microsoft to offer only Windows on their
PCs and nothing else. A few brave companies are starting to offer people
choices like Walmart's Linux PCs and Dell's offering of Linux servers.
You can even get computers with NO OS at all so you can install your own.
Ten years ago that would have been impossible due to contractual
agreements forced upon companies by Microsoft. Even Barebones PCs came
with a copy of Windows back then.

Today with the popularity of Blogs, which had a major effect on the
November '06 Congressional Mid-Term Elections, people are more informed
now than ever before about all sorts of subjects from Politics, Science,
Health, and Technology. Blogs helped spread the word of how George Bush
lied to get us into Iraq, Blogs exposed Sony's XCP music CD
copy-protection software which opened up millions of computers to
malicious software attacks, Blogs helped raise millions of dollars for
relief aid money for New Orleans when the government dragged its feet to
help, and Blogs helped the Democratic party gain control of the Congress
in last year's November Mid-Term Elections.

You cannot pull the wool over people's eyes anymore in this day and age.
Go and look at the Blogs and site like Digg.com, Techdirt.com and
Slashdot.com and you'll see why. Isn't the free exchange of information a
wonderful thing? :)

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Gold Dust Woman

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michael, what's your zodiac sign?
all right, well, i keep my firewall disabled, and i have never gotten a virus ever since a couple years ago when i told my father to stop going to porn sites.
no, i think most people use windows because most programs are made for windows.  that's why my family uses them.  i'd consider another os if it was compatable with all major programs most used by society, was cheap, and as easy to use as windows.  linux and macs don't satisfy those requirements.
the flash drive is not outdated; i just bought it two days ago.  i tried it on a mac and windows comp at school, and it worked on both.  it still isn't working on my home pc tho.
why did the word "blog" get invented?  why not just call it a diary or journal?  anyway, just cuz blogs exist doesn't mean everyone reads 'em.  not everyone watches the news either.  so yes, you can pull the wool over people's eyes still.  people will always see what they wanna see and ignore what they don't wanna see.  and some people just don't care.  the real truth can never be known, cuz everyone lies.
maybe linux is easy for you to use, but you are not the average user.  i doubt the majority of the population wants to type a bunch of codes just to get something to open.  the window's simple double click is most appealing.
i doubt linux's coding system has changed since 2006, when i had this convo:

darien95sms (5:53:43 PM): the install process sounds too complicated for you
i havRadioNmyHed (5:53:53 PM): yes it is already too complicated for me
i havRadioNmyHed (5:53:55 PM): x.x
darien95sms (5:55:50 PM): do you know how to use commands
i havRadioNmyHed (5:56:01 PM): a little.....
darien95sms (5:56:24 PM): use the command mount -t iso9660 -o loop image.iso /mnt/isoimage
darien95sms (5:56:48 PM): change image.iso to virtualpc.iso or whatever it's called
i havRadioNmyHed (5:56:57 PM): k
darien95sms (5:57:01 PM): and change /mnthisoimage to where you want the stuff to appear
darien95sms (5:57:55 PM): the files will be read only so you can only look at them
darien95sms (6:00:37 PM): try the command [root@server /root]# cdrecord -v dev=3,0,0 image.iso
i havRadioNmyHed (6:00:54 PM): ok
i havRadioNmyHed (6:01:10 PM): the icon for aim changed
darien95sms (6:01:20 PM): so what ?
i havRadioNmyHed (6:01:24 PM): it has the msn butterfly
i havRadioNmyHed (6:01:29 PM): why did it do that
i havRadioNmyHed (6:01:42 PM): eek and firefox turned into slashers
darien95sms (6:01:47 PM): [root@server /root]# cdrecord -v dev=3,0,0 image.iso
i havRadioNmyHed (6:01:48 PM): ok
darien95sms (6:01:53 PM): [root@server /root]# cdrecord -v dev=3,0,0 image.iso
darien95sms (6:01:57 PM): [ root@server /root]# cdrecord -v dev=3,0,0 image.iso
i havRadioNmyHed (6:01:58 PM): alriiiiiiiight
darien95sms (6:02:04 PM): do you know how to use that command
i havRadioNmyHed (6:02:08 PM): type it
i havRadioNmyHed (6:02:10 PM): ?
darien95sms (6:02:14 PM): do you know where to type it
darien95sms (6:03:01 PM): do you know where to type it
i havRadioNmyHed (6:03:06 PM): i don't know
i havRadioNmyHed (6:03:09 PM): things are messing up
i havRadioNmyHed (6:03:12 PM): i think i should reboot
darien95sms (6:03:25 PM): or install windows xp
darien95sms (6:04:15 PM): install it
i havRadioNmyHed (6:04:20 PM): windows xp?
darien95sms (6:04:23 PM): yes
i havRadioNmyHed (6:04:37 PM): but i'm trying to install virtual pc
darien95sms (6:04:59 PM): you don' teven know how to type commands or install programs

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wtf...i dont get it
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Gold Dust Woman

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what don't you get?

Joanna Tsui

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what you wrote

Gold Dust Woman

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which part?

Min

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lol, yes, microsoft is evil.   Do you think only microsoft sale rep twist the truth???  Everyone fucking sale rep does it.  MS isn't the only evil empire out there. Every business exist to make money and part of that require crushing competition and such.  MS is just a lot better at it.

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:28:52 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
<goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> michael, what's your zodiac sign?

I'm a Sagitarius.

> all right, well, i keep my firewall disabled, and i have never gotten a
> virus ever since a couple years ago when i told my father to stop going
> to
> porn sites.

That's what I used to think until I watched a cleanly install Windows XP
machine with nothing else on it get infected just by connecting online via
Modem. The system started acting wierd and then this FTP console window
popped up and started downloading something from an unknown address. It
happened so fast I didn't get a chance to interrupt it. When I installed
my Antivirus it found a whole bunch of stuff including malware, viruses,
and a nasty worm I had to use a tool from Symantec to remove.

I did some research to find out what happened. Aparently worm infected
computers called "Zombies" which can be link into what is known as a
"Botnet" can be set to sniff IP address and ports for a hit, then launch
scripts which allow them to spread their infection to other systems and
thus widen the Botnet. Botnets are what are used for DDOS attacks and for
stealing personal information online like credit card numbers.

> no, i think most people use windows because most programs are made for
> windows. that's why my family uses them. i'd consider another os if it
> was
> compatable with all major programs most used by society, was cheap, and
> as
> easy to use as windows. linux and macs don't satisfy those requirements.
> the flash drive is not outdated; i just bought it two days ago. i tried
> it
> on a mac and windows comp at school, and it worked on both. it still
> isn't
> working on my home pc tho.

That statement about Mac and Linux isn't true anymore. There are apps on
both platforms that don't exist for Windows. Linux has a lot of advanced
engineering and scientific applications and Mac has dominated in the video
& graphics editing arena for many years now. Many of the CGI special
effects done for "The Lord of the Rings" triology were done on a Mac at
WETA Workshop's computer animation studio.

You can even get MS Office for the Mac.

> why did the word "blog" get invented? why not just call it a diary or
> journal? anyway, just cuz blogs exist doesn't mean everyone reads 'em.
> not
> everyone watches the news either. so yes, you can pull the wool over
> people's eyes still. people will always see what they wanna see and
> ignore
> what they don't wanna see. and some people just don't care. the real
> truth
> can never be known, cuz everyone lies.

You have a sad, cinical view of the world. Yes, many people lie, even our
President who's recently proven himself to be a habitual Liar. But, there
are a lot of people who are online reading blogs, writing blogs, and the
best way to spread the word about something is "Word of Mouth".
Eventually a lot of people will hear about something and it gets spread
around fast. That's how the Sony/BMG XCP Scandal got started.

> maybe linux is easy for you to use, but you are not the average user. i
> doubt the majority of the population wants to type a bunch of codes just
> to
> get something to open. the window's simple double click is most
> appealing.
> i doubt linux's coding system has changed since 2006, when i had this
> convo:
>

Linux has a point-and-double-click GUI interface just like Windows. Its
called X Windows, and its far more flexible than the Windows desktop
because you can change the Window Manager and not break compatibility with
applications. There is KDE, Gnome, Compiz, and its 3D enhanced varient
Beryl. Just because you have to type in commands to do something in an
operating system sometimes doesn't mean its not a good operating system.
I don't know how old you are but back when I was going to school Windows
didn't exist yet. We had to type commands to do everything using MS or
PC-DOS. Its the ability to get under the hood and use text commands which
makes Linux infinitely more "versitle" then Windows. Also not all
applications in Linus are text-based either. There are 100% graphical
applications for writing out CD Images, 3D animation, games, productivity,
web browsing, and more. Probably one of the most user friendly and most
popular of the Linux distros is Ubuntu. It has power under the hood like
any other Debian distibution but its hidden under its easy to use GUI
interface.

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:28:52 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
<goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> all right, well, i keep my firewall disabled

I disable the built-in Windows firewall because it does jack protecting
your system. I use ZoneAlarm as well as a hardware firewall inside a
cable router.

Min

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Micheal, windows also have command prompt u know.  Whatever u can do in linux, u can do in windows. 

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Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:07:55 -0500, Min <min...@gmail.com> wrote:
> lol, yes, microsoft is evil. Do you think only microsoft sale rep twist
> the truth??? Everyone fucking sale rep does it. MS isn't the only evil
> empire out there. Every business exist to make money and part of that
> require crushing competition and such. MS is just a lot better at it.
>

True, but corporations have to play by the rules and Microsoft is not
doing that and haven't played by the rules in a long time. That is what
the Anti-Trust laws and the Federal Trade Commission exist for.

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:40:01 -0500, Min <min...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Micheal, windows also have command prompt u know. Whatever u can do in
> linux, u can do in windows.
>

Not really. Yes Windows has a command prompt console but the tools
available to users are nothing compared to the text-based tools available
on Linux. Also, not all apps in Windows accept command prompt commands or
switches while most in Linux do. So your statement is quite incorrect.

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:40:01 -0500, Min <min...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Micheal, windows also have command prompt u know. Whatever u can do in
> linux, u can do in windows.
>

Because its BSD Unix based Mac OS X has many of the same command prompt
based tools as Linux and it has the runtimes for X Windows so you can run
ported over X Windows applications like the GIMP, OpenOffice and others.
There's also WINE for Mac OS X for running Windows apps. So in a way the
Mac can run everything.

Gold Dust Woman

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were you born on a scorpio cusp?  you seem like a scorpio.
it doesn't matter if there are apps for mac/linux that don't exist for windows, cuz windows is still the mainstream os, and as long as most ppl use it, the apps only for mac/linux don't matter.  linux's advanced engineering and scientific applications and mac's video and graphix progs are for specialists in those areas, not the average user.
if you admit that some people lie, you are in denial if you think that the "good guys" (the ones you're on the side of) don't.  everyone lies.  it's a fact of life.  it's not cynical; it's reality.

"Just because you have to type in commands to do something in an
operating system sometimes doesn't mean its not a good operating system."
i never said it wasn't a good os.  i said the commands make it hard.  average users are lazy and stupid (like me), so they don't want an os that uses commands when windows is so much easier.

btw, i'm 20.  doesn't really matter tho, since i didn't even start using comps til like 1998, and i used machines from the 80s with only dos and no mice anyway.  ANYWAY, if every comp required ppl to type commands in order to do stuff on the comp, not as many people would be using comps.  windows makes it easy, that's why everyone uses comps now.  if everyone had to be a nerd to use comps, there'd hardly be anyone using 'em.

"Yes Windows has a command prompt console but the tools
available to users are nothing compared to the text-based tools available
on Linux."
i don't think the average user cares about all those high-tech tools available.  they just wanna check their email, use messengers, read the news, download songs/movies, write in blogs (why are they called blogs?), etc.  people who do care about the high-tech tools will probably get linux.  but those people who care are not the majority of comp using people, so windows will remain mainstream.

"There's also WINE for Mac OS X for running Windows apps.  So in a way the
Mac can run everything."
macs can run windows progs if they get a prog like virtual pc (i guess wine is another one like it?), but that costs more money, so might as well just get a windows comp so you don't have to go through more hassles.  apple programs like itunes are made to be compatable on both mac and windows.  most progs are only for windows.  makes most sense to buy a windows comp.  you get the benefits of mac's progs and window's with no extra cost.  and no linux-codes to deal with.

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Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:56:20 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
<goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> macs can run windows progs if they get a prog like virtual pc (i guess
> wine
> is another one like it?), but that costs more money, so might as well
> just
> get a windows comp so you don't have to go through more hassles. apple
> programs like itunes are made to be compatable on both mac and windows.
> most progs are only for windows. makes most sense to buy a windows comp.
> you get the benefits of mac's progs and window's with no extra cost.
> and no
> linux-codes to deal with.
>

WINE (the name literally means Wine Is Not an Emulator) is a program that
tricks Windows programs into thinking they are running on Windows when
they aren't. Its not the same as a virtual machine. WINE is also a free
GNU licensed open source project ... you never have to pay for it. Things
like CrossOver Office and Cedega are specialized varients of WINE you do
buy (the source code is freely available though). CrossOver Office is
specifically for running productivity apps like MS Office in Linux or Mac,
and Cedega is WINE optimized for 3D Windows games for Linux. A Mac
version is in the works.

For the Mac you'd want Parallels instead of Virtual PC. Parallels is the
fastest PC emulator for Mac and Windows (and soon Linux) and has a lot of
really cool new features. One of the is the ability to take a Windows
program and drag it out of the emulator window and onto the Mac desktop.
You can also cut and paste between Mac apps and Windows apps. In
benchmark tests Parallels ran Vista faster than most high-end PCs with
similar technical specs as the Mac being used. Also Parallels can boot
Windows installed into a virtual hard drive file or from the Window
partition created using BootCamp.

Apple's new popularity has meant a huge boost in the number of companies
making Mac versions of Windows apps. A lot of games are already available
on the Mac such as World of Warcraft, Unreal Tournament 2k4 and soon 2k7,
and more. MS Office is out for the Mac in several versions. The Firefox
and Opera web browsers are out for the Mac, and lets not forget iLife
which comes with every Mac.

iLife is made up of; iPhoto - Picture catalog and editing for digial
cameras, iMovie HD - easy-to-use video editing software for
non-professionals with professional like features, iDVD - a full featured
point & click DVD menu editor for making your own DVD menus with pictures,
video and sound, iWeb - point & click web page editor which allows you to
integrate items for all the other iLife programs, and Garage Band - easy
to use but professional studio quality sound editing and musical
composition software. Multiple sample packs are available for composing
music in Garage Band from rock music samples, symphany orcestra samples,
country music samples, and more.

On the Windows side there is no one piece of software that does all that
iLife does and fully integrates with each other and can share their
files. Not one, and you get iLife when you buy a Mac.

Ultimately it'll come down to preferences and an informed decision.
Letting people know what features exist in Mac OS X is what will get
people to think about switching. The existance of BootCamp and Parallels
means they don't have to give up Windows forever and takes away the excuse
that a Mac can't run Windows software. BootCamp doesn't emulate a PC, its
a tool to partition the Mac hard drive so you can install Windows on it,
then updates the firmware on the Mac to include an emulated PC BIOS which
Windows requires. During the BootCamp setup process you are prompted for
a blank CD to burn a Windows drivers disk for the hardware on the Mac so
Windows can recognize and use them.

BTW, the makers of Parallels are working on doing something no other
virtual PC program can do ... fully optimized 3D graphics acceleration
support for Windows games. The feature is in development and testing
right now and may make its way into the next release.

crackle.24

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de linux OS hav sales reps? wht for? its open-source.
linux was created bcos sm ppl felt microsoft was doing 'evil'. linux
does not belong to one single company. if u kno enuf i guess u cud
edit it 2. its not about crushing competition here. its about not
letting them exploit you. i guess linux is not use d much for
entertainment. but linux is used for every thing else. even in
collegesand research labs(atleast in India dey do dese days. altho i
use windows.) i tried using linux but i didnt quite get around 2 using
it much.found it a lil complicated but did like some features. but
going by de current trends and all dat i have heard bout linux, i'd
really have to agree with what michael says.

On Feb 3, 8:07 am, Min <min...@gmail.com> wrote:
> lol, yes, microsoft is evil. Do you think only microsoft sale rep twist
> the truth??? Everyone fucking sale rep does it. MS isn't the only evil
> empire out there. Every business exist to make money and part of that
> require crushing competition and such. MS is just a lot better at it.
>

> On 2/2/07, Gold Dust Woman <goldustwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > which part?
>

> > On 2/2/07, Joanna Tsui <lickymaxwell3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > what you wrote
>

> > > On 2/2/07, Gold Dust Woman < goldustwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > what don't you get?
>

> > > > On 2/2/07, Joanna Tsui < lickymaxwell3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > wtf...i dont get it
>

> > > > > > > thezo...@gmail.com


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On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 13:50:51 -0500, crackle.24 <manas...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> de linux OS hav sales reps?

Redhat, Dell and IBM offer Linux to commercial customers. When you
purchase a Linux package at a store you aren't buying Linux, that's a
violation of the GNU License, you are in fact buying several months to a
year or more of technical support and in the case of IBM and Dell the
hardware to go along with it.

Nothing is stopping an IT department manager from going to Redhat's
website and downloading a free copy of their latest Linux build on a .ISO
CD image. However, in doing so they don't get the 24/7 telephone support,
immediate hotfixes sent right to them via email and other services.

Ubuntu is starting to do that same thing, giving away the OS for free and
selling service & support packages for people who want faster help than
what they can get from the free support forums.

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Gold Dust Woman

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show me the site for where the program is available for download which allows macs to run windows applications.  we discussed this before.  there is no free program that does the job.  bootcamp and parallels cost extra money in addition to the mac, so why buy all that stuff when you can get a windows that does everything?
you just go on and on about how great apple is like a spam advertisement... a bot... a zombie!  sounds like you just ignore everything i say.  really annoying.

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:14:24 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
<goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> show me the site for where the program is available for download which
> allows macs to run windows applications. we discussed this before.
> there
> is no free program that does the job. bootcamp and parallels cost extra
> money in addition to the mac, so why buy all that stuff when you can get
> a
> windows that does everything?
> you just go on and on about how great apple is like a spam
> advertisement...
> a bot... a zombie! sounds like you just ignore everything i say. really
> annoying.
>

Again you speak and don't know anything at all. BootCamp is a free
download from Apple.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

It will be a part of Mac OS X Leopard when its released soon.

BootCamp is not emulation. Its a tool for partitioning the Mac hard drive
to install a Windows partition, it updates the Mac firmware with an
emulated PC BIOS for when running Windows, and it burns a Windows driver
disk for after you install Windows. A full-version of Windows XP or Vista
is needed in order to install Windows to the FAT32 partition BootCamp
creates. You can then convert that partition to NTFS later after Windows
is installed. When booting the Mac you hold down the Option key to get
the BootCamp dual-boot selector menu. You can then select the Mac OS X
partition to boot or the Windows partition to boot.

Parallels though isn't free though. It costs $79.99 which is cheaper than
VMware's virtual PC software and it runs a lot faster. The new version
update that's on the way will let you move Windows programs out of the
emulator window and onto the Mac desktop, will let you cut & paste between
Mac and Windows apps, and they might have 3D acceleration working also
which will be good for gamers. No other VM software does 3D graphics.

http://www.parallels.com/landingpage/dskd10_2/?gclid=CPHyxKbUlYoCFTBcFQodv0jPnA

What's annoying is when people refuse to see the lies Microsoft has been
spewing for years about Linux and Mac when I KNOW BETTER FROM PERSONAL
EXPERIENCE! Its frustrating when people trust Microsoft without question
because "they're Microsoft". Nevermind that Microsoft caused the
nightmare which is known as the Windows Genuine Advantage, an anti-piracy
tool which has the nasty habit of flagging legal copies of Windows as
pirated copies. Nevermind that when you upgrade to Vista from XP
Microsoft makes it impossible to go back to that copy of XP because they
won't let you activate it anymore. Nevermind that Microsoft gave in to
the RIAA and MPAA and cripple Vista with DRM which actually degrades the
operating system's performance (that same DRM was cracked the 2nd day
after it was released for home users). Nevermind that Microsoft put out
the Zune MP3 player without support for their widely accepted PlaysForSure
copy protection technology, adds DRM to files shared via its wireless file
sharing feature no matter what kind of files you share. Because they gave
into the RIAA and MPAA's demands most of the Music on the Zune Marketplace
you can buy can't she shared via the wireless link despite the fact that
the DRM lets the other person keep it for 3 day or 3 plays and then they
need to buy it.

I'm touting Apple and Linux because they ARE better than Windows in many
repsects and Microsoft has abused their monopolgy on the PC market for way
way way too long to be tolerated any further.

There's an old saying; The truth passes through three stages; first it is
ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third it is treated as
self-evident.

I guess you're in the Violently Opposed stage right now.

--
Michael "TheZorch" Haney
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Gold Dust Woman

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you must have not mentioned bootcamp when we talked about this subject before then.  because back then, you said there were no free downloads available that would allow maplestory to run on mac.  or does bootcamp not have 3d acceleration card capabilities either?

just cuz i use microsoft products doesn't mean i trust 'em.  just cuz microsoft lies doesn't mean the other companies don't.  i don't trust any humans, but unfortunately i'm forced to live with them.

violently opposed?  me?  no, i'd say that's more you.  i just use the easier os that can use all the common programs.  i'm not trying to persuade you to use windows, i'm just giving you my reason why i use it.  once again, just because you don't like windows doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way, regardless of microsoft's lies or w/e.

hey, were you born on a scorpio cusp or what?

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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Feb 4, 2007, 11:48:22 PM2/4/07
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On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 23:26:00 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
<goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> you must have not mentioned bootcamp when we talked about this subject
> before then. because back then, you said there were no free downloads
> available that would allow maplestory to run on mac. or does bootcamp
> not
> have 3d acceleration card capabilities either?
>

BootCamp isn't emulation. Its a set of tools for dual-booting an
Intel-based Mac into either Mac OS X, which is in its own hard drive
partition, and Windows XP/Vista which is in its own separate partition.
The BootCamp download includes a .ISO image file of a CD you can burn
containing all of the drives you need for Windows XP/Vista to recognize
the Mac hardware. There is also a firmware update for the Mac which adds
the boot selection menu and PC Bios software that Windows needs.

Mac OS X partitions don't have a Master Boot Record like Windows does and
its partitioning schemes are also very different. The need for a BIOS has
also been abandoned thus eradicating any possible hardware incompatibility
issues for the Mac entirely. Windows and PCs still have these 30 year old
limitations. Vista did have firmware support in it until Microsoft
removed it. Changing from a BIOS to a firmware would have dramatically
changed the PC world.

> just cuz i use microsoft products doesn't mean i trust 'em. just cuz
> microsoft lies doesn't mean the other companies don't. i don't trust any
> humans, but unfortunately i'm forced to live with them.
>

Many companies do lie. I consider Microsoft a major threat to this
country and our personal liberties, but the oil firms are our worst threat
yet. Vice-President Dick Cheney has long standing ties to them, and Iraq
has the richest virgin oil fields on the planet. The war isn't over
terrorists or WMDs, it was originally over oil profits, but now its gotten
out of control and both nations are now suffering for it.

> violently opposed? me? no, i'd say that's more you. i just use the
> easier
> os that can use all the common programs. i'm not trying to persuade you
> to
> use windows, i'm just giving you my reason why i use it. once again,
> just
> because you don't like windows doesn't mean everyone else feels the same
> way, regardless of microsoft's lies or w/e.
>

True, what OS you ultimately use is up to you. I feel a moral obligation
to tell people the truth even if they aren't ready or willing to accept
it. More and more facts about how bad Vista is are appearing every day.
I'm not saying that Apple and Linux are perfect, no OS is, but they are
better if you want an OS with greater stability, better speed, more
reliable security, and no crappy Digital Rights Management which lets the
Recording and Music Industry control what you can do and cannot do on your
own computer. The last I checked this was the democratic United States
not communist China. The RIAA and MPAA can go rot in hell. They're doing
a wonderful job of tearing the recording and movie industry apart as it is.

> hey, were you born on a scorpio cusp or what?
>

I was born on December 2nd, 1969.

Gold Dust Woman

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Feb 5, 2007, 12:55:31 AM2/5/07
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... so does having bootcamp on a mac enable it to run maplestory?

as long as this comp lives, i never plan to upgrade.  i would've still been using windows 3.1 if it hadn't died....

so do you think that downloading anime/movies/music/copyrighted and licensed material should be legal?  it'd be nice for us if it was legal, but how would the companies/people who make those things make any money that way?  no one in their right mind would be buying the stuff if they could get it for free online.

On 2/4/07, Michael TheZorch Haney <thez...@gmail.com> wrote:

Aratos

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Feb 5, 2007, 11:08:29 AM2/5/07
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Of course it should be legal! But only in the country that hosts it...

I don't see what the problem with all this DRM stuff is. Sure it
doesn't exactly work as well as it should do, but the fact is that if
they're clamping down on piracy that's surely a good thing? Just need
to work out a better way of doing it's all. It's a learning process,
and the more mistakes ar emade the sooner it'll be done right.

Oh, and as we're discussing Vista and that, here's an article that
makes sense. And imho is probably right on the money, too.

http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/01/vista_waiting_game/

Gold Dust Woman

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Feb 5, 2007, 3:32:18 PM2/5/07
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but if it were legal, how would the makers make money?  and if they made no money, why would anyone wanna produce anything?
how did windows come up with the names xp and vista anyway?  why didn't they call them by the years like the previous versions?

--
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Follow those who pale

Michael Haney

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Feb 5, 2007, 5:26:35 PM2/5/07
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On 2/5/07, Gold Dust Woman <goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ... so does having bootcamp on a mac enable it to run maplestory?
>

Sigh. BootCamp isn't a virtual PC like VMware or Parallels is.
BootCamp is software that sets up an Intel Mac so you can dual-boot it
with Mac OS X and Windows XP/Vista. When you turn the Mac's power on
you hold a key and get a menu allowing you to select either Mac or
Windows, you make your selection, and that OS starts to load.

Apple made available the Windows drivers for the ATI Raideon graphics
cards in the Macbook pro and iMacs so yes you can run Maple Story on a
Mac running Windows XP ... but I do not know if Maple Story runs on
Vista or not. According to the latest findings not a lot of games do
run on Vista.

Gold Dust Woman

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Feb 5, 2007, 5:36:22 PM2/5/07
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i don't know anything about dual booting.  i don't even have a mac.  i'm asking these questions for my friend who has mac, and i want him to be able to play maple.  i just want to know if bootcamp will allow maple to run on it.  a simple yes or no will do.  please spare me the technical details.
--
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Follow those who pale

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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Feb 5, 2007, 8:19:18 PM2/5/07
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:55:31 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
<goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> so do you think that downloading anime/movies/music/copyrighted and
> licensed
> material should be legal? it'd be nice for us if it was legal, but how
> would the companies/people who make those things make any money that way?
> no one in their right mind would be buying the stuff if they could get it
> for free online.
>

Actually studies pay for then promptly buried by the RIAA and MPAA show
that piracy actually helps boost legitimate sales rather than hurt them.
This is because most of the time bootlegs aren't quite as good in quality
as the original CDs or DVDs.

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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Feb 5, 2007, 8:29:23 PM2/5/07
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:36:22 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
<goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i don't know anything about dual booting. i don't even have a mac. i'm
> asking these questions for my friend who has mac, and i want him to be
> able
> to play maple. i just want to know if bootcamp will allow maple to run
> on
> it. a simple yes or no will do. please spare me the technical details.
>

Well if your friend has a G4 or G5 Mac then BootCamp won't work at all.
BootCamp is just for the new Macs that use Intel's Core Dual and Core 2
Dual microprocessors. Dual-booting lets have more than one operating
system on your computer at once, but you CANNOT run both at the same time.

To run Windows programs like Maple Story on a Mac you need to have Windows
XP installed on the Mac using a full-install CD, not the upgrade CD
because the upgrade looks for a previous version of Windows before you can
install it. If your friend does have one of the new Macs then they'll
need a full install CD of Windows XP so they can install it after BootCamp
does its thing to make it possible for the Mac to load Windows in the
first place.

Gold Dust Woman

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Feb 5, 2007, 10:06:29 PM2/5/07
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i wasn't talking about bootlegs.  all it takes is one person to buy one cd/dvd, then share to w/ everyone in the world, then no one else needs to buy it.
i'm not sure what kind of mac my friend has.  all i know is it's mac os X.

Aratos

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Feb 6, 2007, 5:26:28 AM2/6/07
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Yeha, I was joking about it being legal. Personally, i won't condemn
piracy but I won't say that I think it's a good thing. It's not.

And more to the point, the better the anti-piracy protection, the
better the challenge. Surely that what the point of computing is,
finding workarounds to new challenges? I'm all for anything that lets
people come up with new ideas.

XP means "extended performance". And it's not exactly new. They also
had ME (millenium edition), which sucks. Horribly. Reformats your ahrd
drive every time you open the start menu and the like. Not to the
whole windows system is Windows NT (New Technology).

As for vista, it's technically not officially part of the NT family,
so I dunno, maybe that's why they decided to come up with a different
name entirely. I preferred when it was called Longhorn meself.

On Feb 5, 8:32 pm, "Gold Dust Woman" <goldustwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> but if it were legal, how would the makers make money? and if they made no
> money, why would anyone wanna produce anything?
> how did windows come up with the names xp and vista anyway? why didn't they
> call them by the years like the previous versions?
>

> On 2/5/07, Aratos <aratos.whiteh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Of course it should be legal! But only in the country that hosts it...
>
> > I don't see what the problem with all this DRM stuff is. Sure it
> > doesn't exactly work as well as it should do, but the fact is that if
> > they're clamping down on piracy that's surely a good thing? Just need
> > to work out a better way of doing it's all. It's a learning process,
> > and the more mistakes ar emade the sooner it'll be done right.
>
> > Oh, and as we're discussing Vista and that, here's an article that
> > makes sense. And imho is probably right on the money, too.
>
> >http://www.theregister.com/2007/02/01/vista_waiting_game/
>
> --
> Rock on - ancient queen
> Follow those who pale
> In your shadow
>
> Did she make you cry
> Make you break down
> Shatter your illusions of love
> Is it over now - do you know how

Gold Dust Woman

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Feb 6, 2007, 10:01:36 PM2/6/07
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ohh, i see.  what a horrible thing for ME to reformat the comp when you use the start menu.  who would want that os?
anyone know why blogs are called blogs, and not just journals or diaries?

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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Feb 6, 2007, 10:13:07 PM2/6/07
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On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:01:36 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
<goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ohh, i see. what a horrible thing for ME to reformat the comp when you
> use
> the start menu. who would want that os?
> anyone know why blogs are called blogs, and not just journals or diaries?
>

The word "Blog" evolved out of the word "WebLog". WebLogs were popular
during the later half of 1990's before tech bubble burst and a lot of
Internet companies went out of business. They've seen a revival in the
past couple of years and are now a part of American mainstream culture.

Gold Dust Woman

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Feb 7, 2007, 2:10:39 AM2/7/07
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yea i know blog came from weblog, but i don't see why they were ever called weblogs in the first place.  they should've just been called diaries or journals.  or e-diaries or e-journals.  why not?!

Aratos

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Feb 7, 2007, 4:16:06 AM2/7/07
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Computer nerds like coming up with new words for things. 'nuff said.

Oh, and ME wasn't _that_ bad. I may've exaggerated a toch. It
sometimes felt like reformattingm though.

Still, better than OS/2

On Feb 7, 7:10 am, "Gold Dust Woman" <goldustwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yea i know blog came from weblog, but i don't see why they were ever called
> weblogs in the first place.  they should've just been called diaries or
> journals.  or e-diaries or e-journals.  why not?!
>

> On 2/6/07, Michael TheZorch Haney <thezo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:01:36 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
> > <goldustwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > ohh, i see.  what a horrible thing for ME to reformat the comp when you
> > > use
> > > the start menu.  who would want that os?
> > > anyone know why blogs are called blogs, and not just journals or
> > diaries?
>
> > The word "Blog" evolved out of the word "WebLog".  WebLogs were popular
> > during the later half of 1990's before tech bubble burst and a lot of
> > Internet companies went out of business.  They've seen a revival in the
> > past couple of years and are now a part of American mainstream culture.
>
> > --
> > Michael "TheZorch" Haney

> > thezo...@gmail.com


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> Follow those who pale
> In your shadow
>
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> Make you break down
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> Is it over now - do you know how

Michael "TheZorch" Haney

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On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 02:10:39 -0500, Gold Dust Woman
<goldus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yea i know blog came from weblog, but i don't see why they were ever
> called
> weblogs in the first place. they should've just been called diaries or
> journals. or e-diaries or e-journals. why not?!
>

Some things GDW-san were never meant to be know by mortal man or woman. :)

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