I signed up first of all as a way to contribute to the DroidScript project in the hope that it will help it to be financially solvent and so make sure DroidScript continues to be available and constantly developed.
Once I had joined up, I found there are a couple of extra samples in DroidScript which are intended for people who intend to make sales from inside their apps.
These cover in-app-purchases and subscriptions.
I also received an invitation to join the Premium support group where Dave and ChrisH are very responsive in answering DroidScript-specific questions and happy to discuss some more complex stuff than normally comes up in the main group.
They also seem to be very open to suggestions about future enhancements/plugins that are more appropriate to serious developers.
But the thing I was surprised to find I like the best is the free access to paid plugins.
I have always tried to buy plugins I might use, as a way to contribute a little money but now I find myself downloading plugins I would not have bothered to buy if I was having to pay for them individually, just to see what they do.
That way I have access to floating action buttons and date/time pickers much more professional than the versions I was developing myself, as well as looking at the potential of plugins for devices I do not even own yet.
As you imply, it's worth it just to keep DS moving forward.
I hope to see lots of people popping up in the Premium group, taking advantage of the plugins, the availability of top-level advice and getting better-equipped for producing great apps.
If you subscribe, hopefully WHEN you subscribe, you will find a lot of posts from me :) The conversation is indeed towards developing more seriously, but not necessarily because you are a 'serious' developer.
DS is very unique. There are other javascript to droid bridges, but, try to build an apk. need help? well, send an email to the developer and you may or may not get a response. Dave and ChrisH are not only good developers, they are creating a very professional development environment.
It is a job. Developing, answering questions, new features, plugins....
IF you come to these forums continuously for answers, in my opinion, you should subscribe to further help DS development.
I also use the premium access to plugins now, and use more of them in my apps --- interesting Steve that you're doing the same :)
One thing most people are forgetting, the DS plugin SDK is amazing. I wrote the FTP plugin.., it was my first DS plugin. The premium forum is a great place to learn more about the java plugin aspect, being able to extend DS to do whatever you may need! Topics that are alittle more indepth can be openly discussed there... BUT simple questions too! (I've asked a few myself :).
I really would recommend it.
If you have posted more than a few questions on this forum, why haven't you went premium. If you are developing apps with DS, why haven't you went premium. If you are using an app for ANY purpose outside of personal, why haven't you went premium.
Has anyone even CONSIDERED the amount of time that it takes to develop DS? IT IS A FULL TIME JOB. You may work elsewhere and then benefit from the ease of DS to build an app --- nice isn't it? GO PREMIUM.
I've been subscribed since before it was even public - why? I use DS. It's that simple.
The two guys behind DS are not microsoft or google, they are two guys trying to build a great product - and, to anyone that uses DS - they know that.
This isn't a get rich off an app scheme... it's sustainability of the future of DS. If a guy works 8 hours a day for a week to bring a new feature and make things better, and at the end of it makes 20 dollars (maybe less) for someone who decides to buy a plugin - WOULD YOU CONTINUE DEVELOPING? I would not.
I am angry and animated because I come to these forums and see the same people asking more and more questions, yet, I don't see them in the premium forum.
I THINK, this forum should be closed. it should remain as read-only for searching, etc, but if you want help, you should be premium. THAT IS HOW EVERY SOFTWARE PRODUCT IS THAT I KNOW. Keep DS free, make forum support a part of the premium package.
Will that turn some away? PROBABLY. But guess what, THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO GO PREMIUM ANYHOW.
No one is really considering the FUTURE of DS. I love the ease of building an app, the plugin SDK is great, Dave and ChrisH are very responsive to ideas, and the wants of the user base.... so...
GO Premium!
Support DS before development comes to a stand still.
I really do support the idea of the forum access being for premium users only. If a person needs help, he xan go premium and hr has 30 days of forum access... if after he cancels, when he needs help again, he can subscribe again.
Again, these are MY views.
Chris
*** Please be aware that the introduction of this Premium Service is ABSOLUTELY necessary for the survival this product, we simply won't be able to continue with out it! So please support us by subscribing and encourage others to do the same. Thank you :) ***
The rest of the announcement is at https://groups.google.com/d/msg/androidscript/gPBa56GLE6k/RoC4cXzwAgAJ
"I THINK, this forum should be closed. it should remain as read-only for searching, etc, but if you want help, you should be premium."
Its a delicate balancing act.
I watched Borland Delphi etc start to kind of move that sort of way of thinking when Embracardo bought it all out.
They really didn't understand the importance of genuine free community involvement - development and the public's contribution of vital and useful free code was more important to their overall development ecosystem and atmosphere - than Embracardo had realised.
The then apparently wrongly handled monetisation policies drove many (inclding key professionals) away to other development environments and even to different languages.
They had to backtrack on a few policies later, but things never really fully recovered. Commercially it was a short term view that had long-term implications.
In a very simillar scenario the highly sucessful Blender model (excuse the insider pun) of operations is very successful and worthy of contemplation here in my oppinion.
They faced many simillar issues and marked out a very balanced, vital, and creative way forward I believe.
And their designers' enterprise is incredibly expansive, having to cover a very wide gambit from real world production, ux, to coding to scripting to multimedia, and beyond.
You can design anything in Blender from objects for graphics programmes, to engineered suspension bridges, rockets, to 3d printer products, to just making a full on animation or full featured(!) video movie.
An early animation...
https://peach.blender.org/download/
And yes, they do "pay" for the targeted generation of a lot of the key development areas of their total OpenSource environment.
Their history, and workable balanced development ecosystem solutions, may well help in contemplating such things a bit here perhaps.
Paul
I'm a career programmer forced to retire early due to medical problems. DS looks like a good language for getting started in open-source Android development. But, living well below the poverty line now, subscribing is not possible for me. I know well your need for a revenue stream though. FWIW, I think you're on the right track in your plans.
If it doesn't work out though, you've created an outstanding piece of software that will truly make the world a better place for long time to come if you open-source existing versions and only sell the rights going forward. That someone will want to buy you out is without question. Your software is too good not to!
if Dave likes this idea i will also sent templates for paid sample 2.0
All the excellent open source software out there is made possible by the use of other excellent open source software. Open source is a great force for innovation.
I admit not every developer is in the same position, and I do pay for some software. But not every month. That's unreasonable to ask.
I think that for any software for developers to get large support, you have to go open source. Otherwise, people are reluctant to invest time and effort.
My suggestion would be: Ask only a one time payment for full access to the software. Ask monthly payments for tech support only. Try to make Droidscript open source in the future.
Wifi scanning and connectivity
Background app as service i.e. no icon
**Open Source is not much different**
This will give you brief details of the subscription and price.
There is a button "Go Premium" which you can use to start the process of purchasing the subscription through your Google Play account.
Once you have subscribed, the Premium features are unlocked and you will receive an invitation to join the DroidScript Premium forum.
When you purchased the plugin, Google would have sent you an acknowledgement email.
Please forward it to support[at]droidscript.org (change [at] to @) along with a description of what appears to have happened.
Unfortunately a small one-off premium subscription would not meet the expenses of providing the premium service. It certainly would not add to the DS coffers to enable droidscipt.org to keep DS alive.
There is a one-off lifetme premium subscription for 3 devices (one user) but at $99 US it probably doesn't help you much.
Please remember premium is not compulsory.
The vast majority of DroidScript works fine without premium, though some of it, like themes, is harder work.
If you need to build APKs you would need to purchase the apk-builder plugin if you don't already own it (a one-off payment).
Some other plugins are nice to have but I could manage without them all.
Some of the more recently added features are premium-only but most things that are needed for DroidScript's core purposes come free with DS.
I've been paying a premium subscription since 2015 and I realize there are many parts of the world (and many homes in this country) where fhis would be regarded as an unachievable luxury.
Unfortunately the reality is as you said that DroidScript needs to come close to paying for itself or nobody will be able to neglect their family in order to maintain it.
But you get access to this forum and there is a significant level of expertise here too.
It doesn't matter how much you complain. I am genuinely sympathetic to people who find the premium features out of reach for whatever reason.
But you are making it sound like DroidScript.org is making life difficult for you.
What they are doing is providing you with an excellent product for free and plenty of opportunities to ask questions that may well be answered eventually by the same people who are usually answering questions more promptly on the premium forum.
I realize you would like DroidScript to do more for you for very little money but that is not going to happen.
Dave in particular puts in a vast amount of work for very little reward when he could be earning much better money to feed his family by leaving DS untouched.
Perhaps people who complain should consider that the product is already providing wonderful value for no expenditure at all.
Then perhaps they should ask themselves what they would do if they put in lots of work for other people who showed no appreciation but just complained.
It can't be the sort of attitude that makes you happy to carry on keeping your product up to date can it?
Also can you change the three devices at a later point? (Get a new phone, etc)
Thanks
Currently payment can only be taken by paypal.
If you wish to purchase a lifetime subscription you send an email to sup...@droidscript.org
support[at]droidscript.org
who will answer any enquiries you ask in the email.
They will ask you to send the output of a couple of app functions from each device back and to make a paypal payment.
They will send you back licence details to enter into each device
I am not sure of the exact answer about changing devices. I don't know the process so it's probably better if I don't comment. For now it is something to ask when you tell support you are considering buying lifetime premium.
Proper admin for this is in the pipeline but things are a bit hectic at the moment.
I will resend it in case it went astray.
It's more likely it's ended up in the spam folder or somewhere.
Question: When I, for the first time, created an apk with the plugin, there was mention of Signing the App and my key. There was an explanation of how to manage and change it, but now that it's the future already and i want to do that, idk how to retrigger the explanation, nor is it intuitively searchable. So idk what it said plz can someone help? Thanks!
And hey for all you humans complaining about premium, if you are a boss enough person to matter, you should be able to make an app that generates more money than you need to pay for premium monthly using Droidscript. I would think, altho I just saw a post on lack of admob ability so idk, will read further. Toodalooooooo!!!!!
If you still don't receive it, please contact sup...@droidscript.org
If you have not received the automatic invitation within 24 hours of purchase, you should contact sup...@droidscript.org telling them the email address you used when purchasing the subscription and preferably quoting the order number you received in the receipt from Google.
If you are posting comments, questions or requests for features in this thread it is unlikely they are being seen by the people you want to see them.
If you have a new question or request, please start a new topic with a meaningful subject so the right people get to see them.
There are guidelines on avoiding hijacking topics at
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/androidscript/GOeffFjx2Tk/GWlj_xyXAwAJ
Also, where is the Premium forum? This forum is the only one I can access.
Thanks
If you cannot find the invitation, I suggest you email sup...@droidscript.org saying that you are unable to join the premium group and also including the email address you used when you purchased the subscription.