Re: How to get Remote Desktop ( GUI ) to work on Android-x86

[john s wolter]

Because of variations in how Android-x86 is hosted, trial & error are the likely method to see which App works.  I've hosted it on Windows 7, 8,1, & 10 using VirtualBox.  I use Apps across my smartphone, tablet, & desktop.  I do see some "undocumented anomalies".  

Google's Android VM plays a role substituting for Oracle's.  As I remember, Google is now using OpenJDK and other replacement items to deal with Oracle's lawsuits.  Google has to anticipate losing even if Oracle seems to have no real chance of gaining any significant damages.

Apps are affected by changes in the underlying development platform, as you might surmise.  Remote control Apps are really-real-time software.  Therefore, App developers must keep-up with a number of performance issues.

Native code also plays a role.  Usually just a few lines of C or Assembly code may or not be needed.  It's usually depends on a programmer's specific knowledge about how to get necessary performance from the SDK.

Cheers,
John S. Wolter
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:29 PM, <voice....@gmail.com> wrote:

I have tried different versions of Android-x86 and also the latest RemixOS.
The App that I have use is RemoDroid. It does connect and transfer the input but no ( GUI ) shows.
The screen Capture Method used by the app are:
Media Projection
ScreenCap
FrameBuffer.

None works on Android-x86, but do work on tablet and smartphone.

If this due to hardware limitations or software?

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[john s wolter]

Curious....I've been with that group for a few years.  It could related to Google's automated SPAMer filters or if you're a new member.  Given today's Internet hazards, it's not too much a process.

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On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Gvoice Phone <voice....@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes I did reply to the group and it said that is waiting on approval.

The group is extremely tight on security!

Thank you for your time on replying John.

[John S Wolter]

I am not trying to run [Android-x86] virtually.  I run [Android-x86] on bare metal PCs

Software drivers can be a challenge but not an impossible problem to solve.  The Android Remix IO environment has the LINUX facilities available.  You should be able to find drivers and experiment with them.  

 

...and remote desktop does not work on any version.

 

1st look into whether there is an active firewall blocking communications.  It could be inside Android or maybe a router. Next is the program's underlying setup correct.

The remote desktop works on other modified roms for the HP Touchpad with no issues...

 

The chip sets and software drivers may not match.  These could be different given a different serial number.  In-line production changes even with the same model may have different chips.

If I understand your explanation correctly, remote desktop is not implemented on any [Android-x86] builds due to the Oracle lawsuit for using Java?

It is not related to remote desktop software.  It's related to the Java APIs and other such items.  Here's a link to a Wikipedia.org article about that case...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_America,_Inc._v._Google,_Inc.

Google is acting to protect Android and has also taken steps to look far ahead as to where Android needs to go.  Google is ensuring it has control of Android ecosystem.  This requires a number of steps to replace those elements of the Android ecosystem that are being subjected to patent claims by Samsung and others, think Apple.

[john s wolter]

Mr. Voice,

The unsuccessful is important, maybe more important, because it's often the start of new ideas to resolve issues.

Now is a good time to learn coding.

So, since you don't yet know coding here's an article from Britain written for PC Advisor, a U.K publication...

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/software/how-learn-code-in-2016-microbit-3599820/

Towards learning coding like many others are doing, many answering questions about coding, suggest readers learn to code at codeacademy.com and udemy.com.  These have a good reputation.

Add khanacademy.com

------ Mozillia's learning university that like khanacademy.com

------ The Coding Club

------ CoderDojo

------ Apps for Good

Good luck, maybe you'll soon make contributions to Android-x86.

Cheers,
John S. Wolter
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On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 11:53 PM, <voice....@gmail.com> wrote:

To list owner:
Please remove this posting.
I think that it will take some time for developers to update or make remote desktop to work on Android_x86, so there is no interest at the moment, hopefully in the near future.
Thank you,

[Mike]

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On 2016.10.30 17:23, voice....@gmail.com wrote:
> Mr. Wolter
>
> I appreciate your recommendations and input since you been the only
> one to express your ideas when I opened the topic. I wish that I had
> the time to learn coding and improved on a suck great development as
> the Androidx86 project. But my dedication leans towards, Computer
> Animation, Graphics, Web and Product design. Unfortunately there is
> not enough time available to do it all. Computers and OS are the
> foundation and tools for my regular day to day activities. Before I
> opened the topic I did the research of why Remote desktop is not
> available on the most current version of Androidx86, basically VNC
> server was ported to Androidx86 but because of the implementation of
> PIE (position independent executable) after Lollipop it needs to be
> ported again, you can read all about it here:
> http://xmodulo.com/how-to-run-vnc-server-on-android-x86.html ( read
> the last comment ).
> There is also another important link:
> https://github.com/xgenvn/android-vnc-server/issues/15
> I can not demand for others to do, when this is an open free project
> and it takes someones time to make it work and that is valuable. I
> always find a work around to obstacles and I just use ARM based
> devices instead of x86. I am able to accomplish the results and do
> remote desktop perfectly. There are many advantages in using ARM based
> devices, less energy consumption, smaller size with its own battery
> that helps on power interruption and many more advantages. The idea of
> running Android on x86 processor is great but in my opinion is only
> satisfactory on old hardware with limited resources. Android x86 can
> run perfectly on a 1GBE memory system and minimum graphics, you not
> even need a hard drive, is amazing that you can use almost obsolete
> hardware and be productive. That to me is essential, there are a lot
> of old x86 PC that can be use and work better that with their original
> OS. In my opinion RemixOS is doing the opposite and taking away the
> magic of Androidx86, same with PhoenixOS and others, trying to compete
> with well establish and stable OS that require more resources that
> what Androidx86 can do and faster.
> I do not like to be wasteful and limit my resources to my needs and
> since I do not see any interest or input on this topic now, the best
> is to remove it. No need to just have it taking a Bit of space on a
> server, no need to take some pixels on the screen when there are
> information about it out there, again that is only my opinion.
> Thank you for your help and reading..!

>
>
> On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 6:07:27 AM UTC, John S Wolter wrote:
>
> Mr. Voice,
>
> The unsuccessful is important, maybe more important, because it's
> often the start of new ideas to resolve issues.
>
> Now is a good time to learn coding.
>
> So, since you don't yet know coding here's an article from Britain
> written for PC Advisor, a U.K publication...
> http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/software/how-learn-code-in-2016-microbit-3599820/
> <http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/software/how-learn-code-in-2016-microbit-3599820/>
>
> Towards learning coding like many others are doing, many answering
> questions about coding, suggest readers learn to code at

> codeacademy.com <http://www.codeacademy.com> and udemy.com
> <https://www.udemy.com>. These have a good reputation.
>
> Add khanacademy.com <http://khanacademy.com>

> ------ Mozillia's learning university that like khanacademy.com

> <http://khanacademy.com>

> ------ The Coding Club
> ------ CoderDojo
> ------ Apps for Good
>
> Good luck, maybe you'll soon make contributions to Android-x86.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> John S. Wolter
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Wolter Works

> EMail: johns...@wolterworks.com <javascript:>

> LinkedIn: John S Wolter, johnswolter
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 11:53 PM, <voice....@gmail.com
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
> To list owner:
> Please remove this posting.
> I think that it will take some time for developers to update
> or make remote desktop to work on Android_x86, so there is no
> interest at the moment, hopefully in the near future.
> Thank you,
>
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[Russ B]

Try an Android VNC server app (and associated client).

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 9:08:18 AM UTC-7, John S Wolter wrote:

Because of variations in how Android-x86 is hosted, trial & error are the likely method to see which App works.  I've hosted it on Windows 7, 8,1, & 10 using VirtualBox.  I use Apps across my smartphone, tablet, & desktop.  I do see some "undocumented anomalies".  

Google's Android VM plays a role substituting for Oracle's.  As I remember, Google is now using OpenJDK and other replacement items to deal with Oracle's lawsuits.  Google has to anticipate losing even if Oracle seems to have no real chance of gaining any significant damages.

Apps are affected by changes in the underlying development platform, as you might surmise.  Remote control Apps are really-real-time software.  Therefore, App developers must keep-up with a number of performance issues.

Native code also plays a role.  Usually just a few lines of C or Assembly code may or not be needed.  It's usually depends on a programmer's specific knowledge about how to get necessary performance from the SDK.

Cheers,
John S. Wolter
------------------------------------------------------------

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On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:29 PM, <voice....@gmail.com> wrote:

I have tried different versions of Android-x86 and also the latest RemixOS.
The App that I have use is RemoDroid. It does connect and transfer the input but no ( GUI ) shows.
The screen Capture Method used by the app are:
Media Projection
ScreenCap
FrameBuffer.

None works on Android-x86, but do work on tablet and smartphone.

If this due to hardware limitations or software?

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[john s wolter]

Mr. Voice,

Where are you located?

Cheers,
John S. Wolter
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On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 11:23 AM, <voice....@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Wolter

I appreciate your recommendations and input since you been the only one to express your ideas when I opened the topic. I wish that I had the time to learn coding and improved on a suck great development as the Androidx86 project. But my dedication leans towards, Computer Animation, Graphics, Web and Product design. Unfortunately there is not enough time available to do it all. Computers and OS are the foundation and tools for my regular day to day activities. Before I opened the topic I did the research of why Remote desktop is not available on the most current version of Androidx86, basically VNC server was ported to Androidx86 but because of the implementation of  PIE (position independent executable) after Lollipop it needs to be ported again, you can read all about it here: http://xmodulo.com/how-to-run-vnc-server-on-android-x86.html  ( read the last comment ).
There is also another important link: https://github.com/xgenvn/android-vnc-server/issues/15
I can not demand for others to do, when this is an open free project and it takes someones time to make it work and that is valuable. I always find a work around to obstacles and I just use ARM based devices instead of x86. I am able to accomplish the results and do remote desktop perfectly. There are many advantages in using ARM based devices, less energy consumption, smaller size with its own battery that helps on power interruption and many more advantages. The idea of running Android on x86 processor is great but in my opinion is only satisfactory on old hardware with limited resources. Android x86 can run perfectly on a 1GBE memory system and minimum graphics, you not even need a hard drive, is amazing that you can use almost obsolete hardware and be productive. That to me is essential, there are a lot of old x86 PC that can be use and work better that with their original OS. In my opinion RemixOS is doing the opposite and taking away the magic of Androidx86, same with PhoenixOS and others, trying to compete with well establish and stable OS that require more resources that what Androidx86 can do and faster.
I do not like to be wasteful and limit my resources to my needs and since I do not see any interest or input on this topic now, the best is to remove it. No need to just have it taking a Bit of space on a server, no need to take some pixels on the screen when there are information about it out there, again that is only my opinion.
Thank you for your help and reading..!     


On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 6:07:27 AM UTC, John S Wolter wrote:

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[Russ B]

I'm in the San Francisco bay area.