Froyo Release date and on which phone?

[hill]

Hello all,

I would be grateful, if you could please advise me on when the new
version of Android will be released and will it still run on the Nexus
One phone or will it run on the Supersonic one?

I have been trying to obtain this info, but to no avail.

I'm about to buy a developer phone and I was wondering if it is best
to wait for the froyo release (if I knew when it will be released).

If the release is within the next two months, then I could wait for it
but if not I'll be buying the Nexus One running the Eclair one.

Thanks you a lot for your cooperation and advice

Hill

[a genius]

Don't expect any kind of straight answer to this question.
It could be out today, it could be 6 months. It is extremely unlikely
that they'll say.

$10 says that they WILL provide an upgrade for GN1 for this.
However, any phone you buy today may at any random moment be dropped
in terms of support.

HTC DREAM for example, also known as "Android Developer Phone 1" is
apparently no longer being supported by htc -- they haven't produced a
build of android 2.x for it at this time and I am doubting whether
they ever will. The hardware is perfectly capable of running it.

This has been a major problem for potential android developers.

Apparently, google never learned from this -- the GN1 is just as
loaded with proprietary garbage as the ADP1, which means that all bets
are off when it comes to future usefulness.

So *some* extent, it is possible to build later versions of android
for older hardware.... for example, there are community builds of 2.1
for dream/magic devices using hardware drivers found in leaked system
images intended for HERO.

Hopefully soon, we will have a properly functional 2.1 build for ADP1/
Dream.

Good luck with phone selection.

[kelly Hill]

Thanks Genius!

 

I guess it is better just to buy the current developer phone and hope that there will not be any change in the hardware when the new Android is released.

 

Thanks

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[a genius]

The only problem with looking at the developer phones is that there
are only two; the same ADP1 that I'm complaining about, and the ADP2,
which is an HTC MAGIC 32B -- basically identical to ADP1 except that
it has double the NAND and lacks the physical keyboard.

Right now the GN1 would probably be the best choice -- the "fastboot
oem unlock" command essentially transforms it into a developer phone.
Aside from the aforementioned proprietary junk problem, the main thing
keeping me from it is that it lacks a keyboard, which -- at least to
me -- is essential.

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[kelly Hill]

Hi Genius,

 

You've said something that is triggering another question:

 

Why is the keyboard important to you?

 

Is the development that you are doing, requires the keyboard (for e.g terminal access)?

 

Because i'll be doing some kernel and also userspace coding in C (sorry for going in such details)

 

But thanks for the all the info.

 

 

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[scott.lou]

best choice is buy the t-mobile G1.

On Mar 17, 4:04 am, kelly Hill <kellyhil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Genius!
>
> I guess it is better just to buy the current developer phone and hope that
> there will not be any change in the hardware when the new Android is
> released.
>

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[a genius]

You can work the terminal via USB/ADB, but that is useless from the
phone itself. There are terminal applications that work with a virtual
keyboard, but the thing with a virtual keyboard is that they are not
easy/fun to use -- they require WAY too much concentration and looking
at your fingers. If you are going to be doing a lot of keyboard type
use, a real keyboard is MUCH more convenient to use.

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[a genius]

Why would you buy something you need to HACK as a developer phone?
ADP1 is $329 straight from google/brightstar.
If you buy it from tmobile debranded to "g1", it'll cost you minimum
$369 and needs to be hacked. Doing this you also forfeit your LEGAL
use of the system images hosted by HTC.

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[Dianne Hackborn]

I would recommend the Nexus One (there's a reason why it has an official facility to unlock it and install custom images).

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[Chih-Wei]

I also like Nexus One.
But as Genis said, lacking of keyboard is
a big minus for developers.

Is it possible to connect N1 with a USB keyboard?
Will a MicroUSB to USB converter work?

BTW, could you explain the "reason"? (though I can guess)

[Dianne Hackborn]

You can't attach a keyboard because it can't serve as a USB host.

I'm not sure why the lack of a keyboard is intrinsically a negative.  These days the vast majority of my development is on an N1 and it never crossed my mind to care.  It seems more like a preference to me.

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[a genius]

You might have smaller fingers or greater coordination than some of us
with big hands. It may be partially a matter of preference, but there
is also definitely a matter of physical convenience. I think that the
virtual keyboard might not be as much of a problem for women.

On Mar 18, 1:36 am, Dianne Hackborn <hack...@android.com> wrote:
> You can't attach a keyboard because it can't serve as a USB host.
>
> I'm not sure why the lack of a keyboard is intrinsically a negative.  These
> days the vast majority of my development is on an N1 and it never crossed my
> mind to care.  It seems more like a preference to me.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Chih-Wei <cwhu...@android-x86.org> wrote:
> > I also like Nexus One.
> > But as Genis said, lacking of keyboard is
> > a big minus for developers.
>
> > Is it possible to connect N1 with a USB keyboard?
> > Will a MicroUSB to USB converter work?
>
> > BTW, could you explain the "reason"? (though I can guess)
>
> > On 3月18日, 上午8時39分, Dianne Hackborn <hack...@android.com> wrote:
> > > I would recommend the Nexus One (there's a reason why it has an official
> > > facility to unlock it and install custom images).
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[Mike Lockwood]

Hi Chih-Wei,

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Chih-Wei <cwh...@android-x86.org> wrote:
> I also like Nexus One.
> But as Genis said, lacking of keyboard is
> a big minus for developers.
>
> Is it possible to connect N1 with a USB keyboard?
> Will a MicroUSB to USB converter work?

Nexus One does not have USB host or OTG support, so adding a USB
keyboard will not work. However some people have managed to get
bluetooth keyboard support working on android so that might be an
option.

Mike

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[kelly Hill]

Hello Dianne, Mike,

Thanks for recommendation.  But do you know/or are you aware if the Nexus One will support Froyo or will it be on the Supersonic one?

Thanks you.

(Thanks to every one also (a genius, scot.lou, Chih-Wei))

[Simon Leinen]

Dianne,

> I would recommend the Nexus One (there's a reason why it has an official
> facility to unlock it and install custom images).

thanks for this - I (and I'm sure many others) take your
recommendations very seriously. Personally I also think the missing
keyboard is not a huge obstacle for a developer, although as a USER I
still love my ADP1's keyboard.

But what about the risk that someone else had mentioned, namely that
the Nexus One will left behind because new platform software requires
driver updates, and the hardware vendor doesn't want to update their
drivers, as happened with the ADP1? Does Google/the Android project
somehow have more control over driver development on the Nexus One
than with the Dream/ADP1?
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[Mike Lockwood]

Nexus One would be the best choice for supporting future versions of
android. I don't even know what "supersonic" is so I can't make any
recommendations about that.

Mike

[kelly Hill]

Hello Mike

 

>Nexus One would be the best choice for supporting future versions of
>android.  I don't even know what "supersonic" is so I can't make any
>recommendations about that.
 

Thanks, if the Nexus 0ne will be supporting the future versions of android, then I'm more than happy now to purchase it now!

 

As for the supersonic, I was refering to this

http://topnews.us/content/213646-sprint-expected-unveil-wimax-enabled-htc-supersonic-next-week

 

Before posting this thread, I was "hearing" that the next release Froyo might be on the Supersonic phone as a ADP one, this is why I wanted to otbain some clarification on this before performing a purchase. 

 

Thanks again

[a genius]

That thing you are referencing is said to have htc's crippleui
software on it. You can expect that it WILL NOT be well supported,
unlockable, or anything else that would benefit you as a developer.

On Mar 18, 8:29 pm, kelly Hill <kellyhil...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hello Mike
>
> >Nexus One would be the best choice for supporting future versions of
> >android.  I don't even know what "supersonic" is so I can't make any
> >recommendations about that.
>
> Thanks, if the Nexus 0ne will be supporting the future versions of android,
> then I'm more than happy now to purchase it now!
>

> As for the supersonic, I was refering to thishttp://topnews.us/content/213646-sprint-expected-unveil-wimax-enabled...

>
> Before posting this thread, I was "hearing" that the next release Froyo
> might be on the Supersonic phone as a ADP one, this is why I wanted to
> otbain some clarification on this before performing a purchase.
>
> Thanks again
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Mike Lockwood <lockw...@android.com> wrote:
> > Nexus One would be the best choice for supporting future versions of
> > android.  I don't even know what "supersonic" is so I can't make any
> > recommendations about that.
>
> > Mike
>

> > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:16 AM, kelly Hill <kellyhil...@googlemail.com>

> > wrote:
> > > Hello Dianne, Mike,
>
> > > Thanks for recommendation.  But do you know/or are you aware if the Nexus
> > > One will support Froyo or will it be on the Supersonic one?
>
> > > Thanks you.
>
> > > (Thanks to every one also (a genius, scot.lou, Chih-Wei))
>

> > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Mike Lockwood <lockw...@android.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >> Hi Chih-Wei,
>
> > >> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Chih-Wei <cwhu...@android-x86.org>

> > >> wrote:
> > >> > I also like Nexus One.
> > >> > But as Genis said, lacking of keyboard is
> > >> > a big minus for developers.
>
> > >> > Is it possible to connect N1 with a USB keyboard?
> > >> > Will a MicroUSB to USB converter work?
>
> > >> Nexus One does not have USB host or OTG support, so adding a USB
> > >> keyboard will not work.  However some people have managed to get
> > >> bluetooth keyboard support working on android so that might be an
> > >> option.
>
> > >> Mike
>
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[kelly Hill]

Hi a genius

 

>That thing you are referencing is said to have htc's crippleui
>software on it. You can expect that it WILL NOT be well supported,
>unlockable, or anything else that would benefit you as a developer.

Thanks for the info.

 

Now you can say that I have a clear idea on what to purchase.

 

 

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