Er, you can prove that nobody bought a non-google-experience htc magic
and installed cyanongen onto it..?
>> The simple solution is to just NOT INCLUDE the google apps for which
>> the rom maker doesn't have a redistribution license.
>> Is there any particular reason why these roms MUST contain all those
>> closed source apps? Nope.
> Actually yeah, the phone can't even boot without proprietary code.
The bad news is, thats htc's code and they aren't part of all this
work to make it better.
>> As for Google's motives here, It doesn't appear to be just the
>> redistribution of their closed source apps.
> Well, that's what the official statement google released says the
> motive is.. and the reason why was 'it hurts us,' a re-statement of
> the position, not an explanation. Then they had the nerve to say 'i
> hope this clears things up' which it of course doesn't. So far it
> appears they're doing it because they can.
They were pretty clear, if a little wordy and soft. (Dianne later said
much more about it.) They need "incentive" to get carriers to pay for
the google experience. That incentive is android market. (Which should
correspondingly be called "Google market" or "Google Android market"
.. but meh.)
Lets compare the stock adp1 image with iphone + free google apps:
- gmail, with push. (oops, iphone/bb/etc can do multiple accounts.
- android market (well, each vendor has 1 or more markets these days.
call it even, for this comparison)
- google maps with gps (identical, slight advnatage android due to mapview)
- google calander integration (identical)
- google talk (identical except you have to run it on android
periodically to fix market bugs)
Did I miss anything? The "google platform" at its maximum google-ness
does less than the 3rd party devices with freely-downloadable apps.
(Even most j2me phones!) They need all the help they can get to force
the device vendors to build devices.
>> It appears to be more
>> specifically related to the distribution of the PRERELEASE DONUT
>> MARKET APPLICATION.
> Which again, will be an update provided to people who've already paid
> for an android phone. Who loses out?
Straw, meet camel. And that -particular- client will not be an update.
Nor is it released. ("Someday" your daughter will be an adult in
college. That doesn't mean you want her chugging beer at 6 years old.)
>> roms, it is most likely that Google would have simply IGNORED HIM as
>> has been their (apparent) policy in the past.
> Actually this was in the works at google even before the donut market
> app was used.
Are we still talking about Android here, or have we moved onto the
causes of the global recession?
To clarify, I claimed that I got a quiet warning that this was bad and
might get escalated. (And that was related to HTC's bins, not google
stuff. I got a slightly less quiet warning that I shouldn't be
throwing google's bins in it - since it wasn't really my goal anyway,