Fwd: Re: Jupiter in 12th house
Sreenadh
<sreesog@...> wrote:
Dear All,
I am pasting below the file prepared by Neelam Gupta ji.
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Jupiter in Twelfth House
This is what some of the classics say:
Bhrigu Sutras:
The native will be poor, he will be interested in studies, will have
few
children, will be proficient in mathematics but will be of loose
character. If Jupiter is associated with a benefic or is in his own
sign
or sign of exaltation, the native will go to heaven after his death.
If
Jupiter is associated with a malefic the native will go to hell after
his death. He will spend money on religious causes and will have
sexual
contacts with Brahmin and pregnant women.
Brihat Jatak: The native will be a villain.
Phaldeepika: The native will be disliked by other people. The native
will also be vulgar in his speech. He will be childless, will indulge
in
sinful deeds, will be lazy and one who serves others.
Saravali: The native will be lazy, without good speech and unfortunate
and will have a feeling of bitterness towards others, mostly in
servitude.
Chamatkar Chintamani: The native in spite of spending on good causes
will not get any praise. He will be stupid and will incur loss of
wealth.
Jatak Bharnam: Person is full of anger, his feelings are confused and
he
is devoid of ntelligence.
Stri Jatak: Little gains, bad nature, disease.
Yavan Jatak: Loses his righteousness (dharma) and makes few movements
Horasara: It makes a person defective of limb and he will spend money
on
charity and dances.
All the texts are in agreement that Jupiter gives only inauspicious
results if situated in the 12th house.
Other Views:
If Jupiter is not well placed in the 12th house, it brings out the
negative qualities of Jupiter, of extravagance, of wasting money,
bragging, bad eating and drinking habits. Person is idle and jealous.
He
is fond of traveling.
If Jupiter is in own house or exalted in 12th, it is good for
spirituality and attainment of highest form of bliss.
Apart from the above dictums: (my own views)
The bhav-bhavesh-karak parameter is the first thing to be considred.
Jupiter in 12th would mean:
1. Bhav is not considered very auspicious regarding lagan affairs.
2. Karak Jupiter, for whatever it stands for, has gone to dustana or
12H
which is not good across the board.
3. Bhavesh for 12H needs to be checked for individual charts.
I am not expanding the above points for obvious reasons.
Remember that 12th house is ‘vyay’ house only for the
lagan. It represents the loss of whatever lagan stands for with
respect
to Jupiter. A careful judgement is needed regarding the results for
houses and jupiter’s placement and significations. Results of
other houses when Jupiter is in 12th from lagan, have to be modified
accordingly. E.g 12th house is sukhsthan for father and bhagya sthan
for
mother. A benefic in this house will be good for mother’s fortune
and father’s happiness. Similarly it can show the karm of 3rd
house, it can be indicative of younger sibling’s profession. Such
house-specific effects can be seen differently, but in relation with
lagan or the person himself this scene of action may be distant or
foreign.
In general, following points should be kept in mind before arriving at
any conclusion:
1. What is the ascendant sign and its lordship. This will tell us
whether Jupiter is functional benefic or malefic and what is its
panchadha relationshio with lagan lord.
2. Which are the houses having Jupiter’s lordship. A
trinal/kendra lord in 12H can be inauspicious for the native. If
Jupiter
is lord of 6/8/12, in 12H it can give vipreet rajyoga also. Jupiter
and
mercury are the only planets which can own both kendras
simultaneously.
Such a Jupiter in 12th! Are we looking at kendras being blown away.
(These two planets also get maximum 60 points in planetary bal in
jaimini and dual rashis are supposed to be the strongest)
3. In which rashi Jupiter is placed
(exaltation/mooltrikon/own/friends/neutral/ inimical/debilitated)?
Jupiter in its own mooltrikona sign without any affliction has given
high level of spirituality to Swami Moorkhanand (Dips into divinity by
KNR).
4. What are the influences on jupiter in 12H. Are there any planets
conjunct with it or aspecting it or is there any exchange. E.g a
person
with Jupiter conjunct sun in 12H under benefic influence will build
ashrams or temples abroad. A close conjunction of Jupiter with mars in
12H can lead to ‘matibhram’, or going overboard with
spirituality like a person caught into the web of babas and sadhus.
5. Who is the dispositor and how is it placed.
6. What kind of yogas are being formed with this Jupiter.
7. As we know that lagan is only the physical aspect of a person. We
must assess all the above from moon (disposition of mind) and sun
(important for spirituality) also.
8. Now we can move into finer analysis by going into navamsh and other
vargas. E.g a vargottam Jupiter will give good results in 12H.
9. Checking out the nakshatra of Jupiter and its lord and the relation
between them, will give further clue to the behaviour and results of
the
planet.
10. Those of you who are well versed with Jaimini or ashtakvarga
systems, can also try to see if the above results are also indicated
by
these sytems.
This was static analysis. Now to make it dynamic or to see what will
happen at a particular point of time, see that dasha and transit
pattern.
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Love and regards,
Sreenadh
--- In ancient_indi...@yahoogroups.com, "neelam gupta"
<neelamgupta07@> wrote:
>
> Dear Sreenadh ji,
> As you suggested, I have tried to collate the texts from classics
about
> Jupiter in 12H.
> I have also tried to put together my own thoughts on this placement.
> Hope it'll be useful for all concerned and if we can add some
examples
to
> make it a complete study.
> Since I have composed the matter in a word file, I am attaching the
same
> here.
> Thanks and regards
> Neelam
>
>
>
> On 05/02/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:
> >
> > Dear Chakraborty ji,
> > Why not we look at the detailed results for Jupiter in 12th? That
could
> > be a useful and informative discussion. I request Neelam ji to
quote
the
> > results for Jupiter in 12th from authentic works so that a
discussion on the
> > same could begin. :) Sunil ji , Arjun ji and Srinivas ji might
also
be
> > having some unique info to share regarding the same.
> > Till now we have looked at 3 points only -
> > 1) Ju in 12th may cause a divorce
> > 2) Ju in 12th increases ones interest in spirituality
> > 3) Ju in 12th may cause financial troubles especially at the end
of
> > the dasa.
> > Now let us proceed with discussing other results told in astro
classics
> > for this unique placement.
> > Love and regards,
> > Sreenadh
> >
> > --- In ancient_indi...@yahoogroups.com, "Chakraborty, PL"
> > CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Sreenadh-ji,
> > >
> > > Many many thanks.
> > >
> > > Yes, I know, in Jup dasha, what are the antara-s.
> > > I mentioned Mars here as related to the case.
> > >
> > > I got the message. Unfavorable dasha lord (Jup in 12H here)
> > > will not give good results even with well placed antara lords,
> > > especially near the end of of its' dasha as it has to fulfill
its'
> > > agenda (to make the native pauper at the end).
> > >
> > > May be with well placed antara lords, the results will be
smoother,
> > > and not so shocking (like somebody making a sacrifice).
> > >
> > > And thank you again for the quote about unfavorable dasha sandhi
> > > conditions for men and women. It is a new learning for me.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Chakraborty
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sreenadh [mailto:sreesog@]
> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:50 PM
> > > To: ancient_indi...@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [ancient_indian_astrology] Re: Jupiter in 12th house
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Chakraborty ji,
> > > There is a quote that reads -
> > > "Pumsam sarpedyayor sandhi, Strinam kamyoshna tejasa
> > > Ubhayo kuja rahvoscha Sandhi dosha itis stridha"
> > > Meaning, for men Ra-Ja dasa sandhi, for women Ve-Su dasa sandhi
and for
> > > both Mars-Ra dasa sandhi would be bad.
> > > Of course at the end of Rahu dasa it is Mars antara; but unlike
you
> > > pointed out at the end of Jupiter dasa is NOT Mars antara but
Rahu
> > antara.
> > > But if you are pointing to the fact that at the end of Jupiter
dasa both
> > the
> > > antaras are of malefics (Mars and Rahu) and the same is causing
the
> > trouble,
> > > then I agree - you are right.
> > > The question is - What if they (the antara lords) are well
placed?
As
> > can
> > > be expected naturally the antara would give average results (not
much
> > > auspecious not much inauspicious - because the dasa lord is
wrongly
> > placed
> > > while the antara lord is well placed) - and ofcoure the answer
to
the
> > > question - what would be exactly the results? depends on the
position
> > > (sign/house/conjunction etc) of the dasa and antara lords. :)
> > > Note: Any way the question remains - what are the results that
should be
> > > attributed to "Jupiter in 12th house?". I invite all the group
members
> > to
> > > discuss the same in detail. ;)
> > > Love and regards,
> > > Sreenadh
> > >
> > > --- In ancient_indi...@yahoogroups.com, "Chakraborty,
PL"
> > > CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > RE: [ancient_indian_astrology] Re: Jupiter in 12th house
> > >
> > > Dear Sreenadh-ji,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the info.
> > >
> > > BTW, another question please,
> > >
> > > Jupiter in 12H - will give many things but at the end, will
make a
> > pauper.
> > > In this case, it took the Mars antara to do that.
> > >
> > > My question is ..
> > >
> > > What if the Mars or Rahu were well placed ? Then how this
materially
> > > negative effect of Jup in 12H would manifest ? Or will it be
like
Jup
> > will
> > > bring out the only negative possible attributes of these
antaras ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Chakraborty
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sreenadh [mailto:sreesog@]
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:39 PM
> > > To: ancient_indi...@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [ancient_indian_astrology] Re: Jupiter in 12th house
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Chakraborty ji,
> > > ==>
> > >
> > >
> > > BTW, regarding Agni-Marut yoga (Mars-saturn) in 1/7 axis, does
it
> > > matter when one of the planets (Mars or Saturn) is lagna lord ?
I
mean
> > > whether the result of "Lagna lord aspecting his own house" in
anyway
> > > would change the equation ?
> > > <==
> > > No, not much; since no results gets cancelled. The results
indicated by
> > > 'Agni-Maruta yoga' and the results indicated by 'Lagna lord
aspecting
> > his
> > > own house' would be different and therefore should be treated
seperatly.
> > > But not that divorce of such are NOT the results indicated by
> > Agni-Maruta
> > > yoga; astrologers mention it simply to point to the fact that
several
> > things
> > > signified by the house involved might get destroyed due to the
> > cumulative
> > > effect of two strong malefics; thus the results for this yoga
may
vary
> > from
> > > house to house and from horoscope to horoscope - but ofcourse
the
> > general
> > > results for Ma-Sa combination does apply everywhere (as usual -
provided
> > the
> > > dasa matches)
> > > Love and regards,
> > > Sreenadh
> > >
> > >
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Sunder
house. What are the predictions for Guru Dasa?
-Sunder.
On Feb 5, 6:56 pm, "Sreenadh" <sree...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- In ancient_indian_astrol...@yahoogroups.com, "Sreenadh"
> respect
> to Jupiter. A careful judgement is needed regarding the results for
> accordingly. E.g 12th house is sukhsthan for father and bhagya sthan
> for
> and father's happiness. Similarly it can show the karm of 3rd
> house, it can be indicative of younger sibling's profession. Such
> lagan or the person himself this scene of action may be distant or
> foreign.
>
> In general, following points should be kept in mind before arriving at
> any conclusion:
>
> 1. What is the ascendant sign and its lordship. This will tell us
> whether Jupiter is functional benefic or malefic and what is its
> panchadha relationshio with lagan lord.
>
> Jupiter
> is lord of 6/8/12, in 12H it can give vipreet rajyoga also. Jupiter
> and
> mercury are the only planets which can own both kendras
> simultaneously.
> Such a Jupiter in 12th! Are we looking at kendras being blown away.
> (These two planets also get maximum 60 points in planetary bal in
> jaimini and dual rashis are supposed to be the strongest)
>
> 3. In which rashi Jupiter is placed
> (exaltation/mooltrikon/own/friends/neutral/ inimical/debilitated)?
> Jupiter in its own mooltrikona sign without any affliction has given
> high level of spirituality to Swami Moorkhanand (Dips into divinity by
> KNR).
>
> 4. What are the influences on jupiter in 12H. Are there any planets
> conjunct with it or aspecting it or is there any exchange. E.g a
> person
> with Jupiter conjunct sun in 12H under benefic influence will build
> ashrams or temples abroad. A close conjunction of Jupiter with mars in
>
> 5. Who is the dispositor and how is it placed.
>
> 6. What kind of yogas are being formed with this Jupiter.
>
> 7. As we know that lagan is only the physical aspect of a person. We
> must assess all the above from moon (disposition of mind) and sun
> (important for spirituality) also.
>
> 8. Now we can move into finer analysis by going into navamsh and other
> vargas. E.g a vargottam Jupiter will give good results in 12H.
>
> 9. Checking out the nakshatra of Jupiter and its lord and the relation
> between them, will give further clue to the behaviour and results of
> the
> planet.
>
> 10. Those of you who are well versed with Jaimini or ashtakvarga
> systems, can also try to see if the above results are also indicated
> by
> these sytems.
>
> This was static analysis. Now to make it dynamic or to see what will
> happen at a particular point of time, see that dasha and transit
> pattern.
>
> ======================================
> Love and regards,
> Sreenadh
sreeram srinivas
Sreenadh
Meena Lagna means Pisces Ascendant. If Lagna lord Ju is in 2nd
house, Jupiter dasa would be generally good. Note that if the lagna is
Sagittarius then Jupiter in 2nd is in Capricorn and Ju would be
debilitated - and the results would be moderate.
Love and regards,
Sreenadh
Sunder
I was enquiring about Jupiter in the twelfth house and not the second
house.
Regards,
Sunder.
Sreenadh
Sorry... For Meena lagna (Pisces Asc) if Jupiter is in 12th it is
not that good. Loss of money, lack of guidance from elders etc can be
expected. But still this guru in 12th is good for successful bulk
investments (like fixed bank deposites and investement in solid
assets) and gains from the same.
Love and regards,
Sreenadh