Antyeshti

[amritha varshini]

From: Sarma Sastrigal <sarmasa...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:32 PM
Subject: Antyeshti
To:

'His father had specifically told his wife and children NOT TO DO APARA KARMA of any kind.' Then what to do?

(Excerpts from my book on APARA KARMA to be launched soon)

Q: A friend of mine lost his father last year. His father had specifically told his wife and children NOT TO DO APARA KARMA of any kind. So he told me he had to respect his wishes and therefore abstained from the 13-day ritual as well as the monthly and annual rituals thereafter. Did my friend do the right thing? If not, what could/should he have done?

A: The first thing you have to ascertain from your friend is whether he personally believes in his karmas. This is irrespective of what his father believed and asked him to do. If he himself has no belief he is merely shifting the onus for his inaction to the father and citing his father’s words as the ‘reason’ for his abstention. Such a person is also unlikely to be moved by advice to the contrary, since he now has a convenient excuse.

The answer to your question is simple: if a person believes in the Sastras and vaidika dharma he should be doing the apara karma as laid down, even his father had specifically asked him not to. Of course if he himself does not believe, what he should do does not matter – he won’t do it anyway.

The Sastras make it abundantly clear that the duty of a son is to follow what his father advises him to do and not to do, during the lifetime of his father but not later. After his father’s demise the son should undertake and sincerely complete all the karmas laid down for antyeshti and pitru pijanam, during the 13 days after the death and subsequently every year as prescribed – that is, monthly rituals for the first year and pratyabdika sraaddha every year, besides going to Gaya at least once in his lifetime and doing pinda pradaanam. The rules are clear in this regard and there is no room for divergence.

The lack of belief and therefore the non-observance of a person’s father in achara-anushtana’s do not exempt him from doing apara karma. Missing out on the rituals can prove to be a bane to him and his family. The Brahmin corpse (preta) has to be given the complete ritualistic send-off, and without this the soul of the departed person cannot have an easy passage to pitruloka. The Sastras aver that all future generations of the person could be subjected to many ills by such behaviour.

The vaidika karmas have been expounded to us by great rishis with the immense power of their penances, and we have no option but to faithfully fulfil the karmas. Arguing against this is silly and of no use.

I would like to quote Lord Krishna’s words from the Bhagwad Gita on this subject:

“tasmat sastram pramanam te karya akarya vyavasthitou gyatvaa sastra karma kartum ihaarmasi”. This means “the prime source of knowledge, to learn what you should and should not do are the Sastras. Doing what has been prescribed in the Sastras and obeying the dharma as per the text is your duty”.

Sri Krishna goes on to say (in the same chapter) that a person who does not bother about the sastra dharma and acts on his own will and whim can never attain perfection and will not be happy in this world or in the next.

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[Ganesan D]

Very useful and required sharing..

Let the book get released – we all should preserve that…

Bye

Dr D Ganesan

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[Pattabi Raman]

The theory is very simple. You have to repay (through the proper channel as prescribed in the sasthras) what you have taken by any means either from our parents,fellow  beings,

celestial bodies and GOD .If you fail you have to suffer..by way of million ways.through endless births 

Karma can be get rid of by karma only. .

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Vs Krishnan <vsk...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

I fully agree with what Sri Sharma Sastrigal had said.  It does not matter who told what.  What matters is your belief.  If you belief strongly on doing the Apara Kriya, you do it.  If you do not believe in it, even if you do it mechanically, it will have no effect. So, do not do it.  

According to general belief, only the body dies but the Atman does not.  It either takes another form (as in case of most of the general people) or merges with Paramatman in case of enlightened personalities.  The question arises when the Atman has taken different form or merged, for whom the Apara Kriya is done?.  

In my opinion, we should not be indulging or debating on these abstract aspects.  Let us go by the practice followed by our ancestors.

With regards,

Yours truly,

V.S. Krishnan.     

Visit my website: www.thiruppugazh.org

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Pattabi Raman <vijaya...@gmail.com> wrote:

A soul which is provided by a human body with 9 holes    by GOD cannot re-enter in it by any of the 9 holes. once it leaves the body which is called as death by the people around.

It is only the wise who opt to know the dweller (GOD) in their heart and gets freed from the untold sufferings experienced when entering,living and leaving from the body.

Those people whose mind filled with all sort of vices,lack of faith and disbelief  in everything and who have no  company of satsang will never get any salvation even they take  millions of births. 

Chanting of Bagavan Naama may not give immediate results to those who lack in faith but it won't leave them in distress at any point of time and they will be taken care of everything till they attain liberation from everything to eternal bliss. 

[Vs Krishnan]

Dear All,

I fully agree with what Sri Sharma Sastrigal had said.  It does not matter who told what.  What matters is your belief.  If you belief strongly on doing the Apara Kriya, you do it.  If you do not believe in it, even if you do it mechanically, it will have no effect. So, do not do it.  

According to general belief, only the body dies but the Atman does not.  It either takes another form (as in case of most of the general people) or merges with Paramatman in case of enlightened personalities.  The question arises when the Atman has taken different form or merged, for whom the Apara Kriya is done?.  

In my opinion, we should not be indulging or debating on these abstract aspects.  Let us go by the practice followed by our ancestors.

With regards,

Yours truly,

V.S. Krishnan.     

Visit my website: www.thiruppugazh.org

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Pattabi Raman <vijaya...@gmail.com> wrote:

A soul which is provided by a human body with 9 holes    by GOD cannot re-enter in it by any of the 9 holes. once it leaves the body which is called as death by the people around.

It is only the wise who opt to know the dweller (GOD) in their heart and gets freed from the untold sufferings experienced when entering,living and leaving from the body.

Those people whose mind filled with all sort of vices,lack of faith and disbelief  in everything and who have no  company of satsang will never get any salvation even they take  millions of births. 

Chanting of Bagavan Naama may not give immediate results to those who lack in faith but it won't leave them in distress at any point of time and they will be taken care of everything till they attain liberation from everything to eternal bliss. 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Ganesan D <gane...@lntvalves.com> wrote:

[Pattabi Raman]

A soul which is provided by a human body with 9 holes    by GOD cannot re-enter in it by any of the 9 holes. once it leaves the body which is called as death by the people around.

It is only the wise who opt to know the dweller (GOD) in their heart and gets freed from the untold sufferings experienced when entering,living and leaving from the body.

Those people whose mind filled with all sort of vices,lack of faith and disbelief  in everything and who have no  company of satsang will never get any salvation even they take  millions of births. 

Chanting of Bagavan Naama may not give immediate results to those who lack in faith but it won't leave them in distress at any point of time and they will be taken care of everything till they attain liberation from everything to eternal bliss. 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Ganesan D <gane...@lntvalves.com> wrote:

[Pattabi Raman]

I come to understand that there are celestial devas to look after the affairs  jeevas departed from this world and till they take rebirth according to their karmas have to be fed by way of tila/pinda tarppana mantras who live on them. like havis of yagnas goes to devas like Indira and other Gods etc who live on them. Only for them we have to perform these karmas.

when the Atman has taken different form or merged, for whom the Apara Kriya is done?"

Atma is one ,it requires nothing from us. it is full of ananda. 

only the jeevas are many encased in a body .which acting through manas which is full of countless beliefs and disbeliefs  is undergoing all sort of hardships till it is fully dissolved 

Bramman is satyam all others all only a mirage. To understand this truth all kriyas are to be performed prescribed by the great rishis.

Any amount of litrary knowledge about brammam or atman will be of any help to understand the reality unless untill the kriyas prescribed by the great rishis which were handed over to us by our ancesters should be  put into practice.

Faith is life Doubt is death. 

Faithful following of our darma makes our mind pure and one pointed ,besides give peace and harmony 

To store a good food the container should be pure .otherwise the food will be of no use for us. so also to receive the blessings of GOD our heart should be pure. 

Ravana the siva baktha who was well versed with everything has his downfall because his heart was not pure. 

All kriyas makes us to attain purity of thought in mind body in turnour soul free of all six vices to attain mukthi or mosha or liberation 

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Muralidharan Margabandhu <mural...@gmail.com> wrote:

The question raised by Shri Krishnan is lingering in the mind of all of us.

"The question arises when the Atman has taken different form or merged, for whom the Apara Kriya is done?"

May I request Shri Sharma Sastrigal to throw some light on the subject please.

Pranams

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[Muralidharan Margabandhu]

The question raised by Shri Krishnan is lingering in the mind of all of us.

"The question arises when the Atman has taken different form or merged, for whom the Apara Kriya is done?"

May I request Shri Sharma Sastrigal to throw some light on the subject please.

Pranams

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Pattabi Raman <vijaya...@gmail.com> wrote:

[mvjnoida]

என் நண்பரின் மாமனார் சந்தியா வந்தனம் செய்வது இல்லை. அவர் அமாவாசை தர்ப்பணம் செய்தல் இல்லை. அந்த மாமனாரின் தாயார் விழுப்புரத்தில் காலமானதாக செய்தி வந்தது. மொபைல் ஃபோன் இல்லாத காலத்தில் பக்கத்து வீட்டுக்காரர் BSNLLAND LINE மூலம் செய்தி தெரிவித்திருந்தார். நண்பரின் மாமனாரோ, ஏதோ காரணத்தால் சினம் கொண்டு செல்லவில்லை. மாறாக, ஷீர்டி சாய்பாபாவை தரிசனம் செய்ய சென்று விட்டார்.

இதை என்ன சொல்ல?

[Muralidharan Margabandhu]

"the body is the gift of GOD and it should be returnedto HIM. The body is the ahuthi during cremation accepted by Agni"

certainly makes it easy for commoners like me.

pranams

Muralidharan Margabandhu

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 9:49 AM, krishnaswamy Narayanaswamy <kns...@live.com> wrote:

we do not know which form the Atma has taken. Whether the soul has reached Devalogam,

Swarga lokam, Pithru lokam, Narakalokam, or taken rebirth as  man, animal or bird we have to

perform PARVANA SHRARDHAM FOR VASU rUDHRA AND aDITYA ROOPA PITHRUS DURING 

our life time. Performance of annual parvana shrardhams to our departed elders will no way

change their staus they attained after death depending upon the Karmas they did. Pithru

poojanam is meant for the well being of our santhathis. It is like safety crash helmet protecting

our head.knswamy

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:08:46 +0530
Subject: Re: Amritha Vahini - Antyeshti
From: vijaya...@gmail.com
To: mural...@gmail.com; vsk...@gmail.com; amrith...@googlegroups.com

[Ganesan D]

Really a good question. But he will say that even the place is changed, Atma is same and hence apra kriya has to be done.

Let him clarify..

Regards

 

Dr D Ganesan

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From: amrith...@googlegroups.com [mailto:amrith...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Muralidharan Margabandhu
Sent: 10 February 2016 11:56
To: Pattabi Raman
Cc: Vs Krishnan; amrith...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Amritha Vahini - Antyeshti

 

The question raised by Shri Krishnan is lingering in the mind of all of us.

"The question arises when the Atman has taken different form or merged, for whom the Apara Kriya is done?"

May I request Shri Sharma Sastrigal to throw some light on the subject please.

Pranams

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Pattabi Raman <vijaya...@gmail.com> wrote:

The theory is very simple. You have to repay (through the proper channel as prescribed in the sasthras) what you have taken by any means either from our parents,fellow  beings,

celestial bodies and GOD .If you fail you have to suffer..by way of million ways.through endless births 

 

Karma can be get rid of by karma only. .

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Vs Krishnan <vsk...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

 

I fully agree with what Sri Sharma Sastrigal had said.  It does not matter who told what.  What matters is your belief.  If you belief strongly on doing the Apara Kriya, you do it.  If you do not believe in it, even if you do it mechanically, it will have no effect. So, do not do it.  

 

According to general belief, only the body dies but the Atman does not.  It either takes another form (as in case of most of the general people) or merges with Paramatman in case of enlightened personalities.  The question arises when the Atman has taken different form or merged, for whom the Apara Kriya is done?.  

 

In my opinion, we should not be indulging or debating on these abstract aspects.  Let us go by the practice followed by our ancestors.

 

With regards,

 

Yours truly,

 

V.S. Krishnan.     

Visit my website: www.thiruppugazh.org

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Pattabi Raman <vijaya...@gmail.com> wrote:

A soul which is provided by a human body with 9 holes    by GOD cannot re-enter in it by any of the 9 holes. once it leaves the body which is called as death by the people around.

 

It is only the wise who opt to know the dweller (GOD) in their heart and gets freed from the untold sufferings experienced when entering,living and leaving from the body.

 

Those people whose mind filled with all sort of vices,lack of faith and disbelief  in everything and who have no  company of satsang will never get any salvation even they take  millions of births. 

 

Chanting of Bagavan Naama may not give immediate results to those who lack in faith but it won't leave them in distress at any point of time and they will be taken care of everything till they attain liberation from everything to eternal bliss. 

 

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[krishnaswamy Narayanaswamy]

we do not know which form the Atma has taken. Whether the soul has reached Devalogam,

Swarga lokam, Pithru lokam, Narakalokam, or taken rebirth as  man, animal or bird we have to

perform PARVANA SHRARDHAM FOR VASU rUDHRA AND aDITYA ROOPA PITHRUS DURING 

our life time. Performance of annual parvana shrardhams to our departed elders will no way

change their staus they attained after death depending upon the Karmas they did. Pithru

poojanam is meant for the well being of our santhathis. It is like safety crash helmet protecting

our head.knswamy

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 19:08:46 +0530
Subject: Re: Amritha Vahini - Antyeshti
From: vijaya...@gmail.com
To: mural...@gmail.com; vsk...@gmail.com; amrith...@googlegroups.com

[krishnaswamy Narayanaswamy]

Ram Ram To the best of my knowledge the body is the gift of GOD and it should be returned

to HIM. The body is the ahuthi during cremation accepted by Agni. The organ donation after

death is against sastram as the body has to be offered as ahuthi without removal of any organ. During our

life time we can offer orgaan donation but not after death.The eternal atma sets its voyage after

dasasthu. 12th day sabandikaranam is to be performed after one year only. Only to avoid any

incapability to the karta, sabandikaranam is done on 12th day. Subasweekaram is done on 13th day

to enable the performance of events like marriages.Knswamy

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:55:49 +0530
Subject: Re: Amritha Vahini - Antyeshti
From: mural...@gmail.com
To: vijaya...@gmail.com
CC: vsk...@gmail.com; amrith...@googlegroups.com

[Anand Vasudevan]

Namaskaram Sri Sarma Mama

Kindly refer trail mail.

Need your clarifications.

Pranams

Anand Vasudevan

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Date: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Amritha Vahini - Antyeshti

[krishnaswamy Narayanaswamy]

antha thai seiytha papam appadi patta oru pillaiyai petrathu.veru yenna solla. Padikatha medhai padathil sivaji

padum pattu ninaivukku varugirathu

> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 02:39:49 -0800
> From: mvjn...@gmail.com
> To: amrith...@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Amritha Vahini - Antyeshti
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> என் நண்பரின் மாமனார் சந்தியா வந்தனம் செய்வது இல்லை. அவர் அமாவாசை தர்ப்பணம் செய்தல் இல்லை. அந்த மாமனாரின் தாயார் விழுப்புரத்தில் காலமானதாக செய்தி வந்தது. மொபைல் ஃபோன் இல்லாத காலத்தில் பக்கத்து வீட்டுக்காரர் BSNLLAND LINE மூலம் செய்தி தெரிவித்திருந்தார். நண்பரின் மாமனாரோ, ஏதோ காரணத்தால் சினம் கொண்டு செல்லவில்லை. மாறாக, ஷீர்டி சாய்பாபாவை தரிசனம் செய்ய சென்று விட்டார்.
>
> இதை என்ன சொல்ல?
>

[Sarma Sastrigal]

Dear Anand

What I have to say I have already said.

Best

Sarma mama