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Jon,
I agree with everything except the importance of students showing their work. I say this to protect the students. If you’re testing through an online system, and the student makes one little mistake, the system will give them a 0. If you could see the work, you might give them 4 out of 5.
Our students live on partial credit. If you take that away, grades will go way down.
George
George Hurlburt
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Corning Community College
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Hi Fred,
I like the idea of using Proctorio but not sure how I can expect my students to pay for something mid semester they were not prepared for and my college won’t foot the bill. Any suggestions for the money issue? I thinking about using Zoom to watch them myself.
Thanks,
Cindy
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Hi everyone,
At Blinn College, we use HonorLock. HonorLock allows a third party extension for things like MyMathLab. So a student goes to HonorLock within our lms, goes through the system check, authenticating ID, etc. Then navigates to their exam within MML. HonorLock records video and audio. They do not do live proctoring but use AI. When a student flags enough, a live proctor steps in to check on them. Once the test concludes, they exit HonorLock.
From the instructor side, we see in HonorLock all the flags in red, yellow, green format. We see ID verification. We have all the video, audio, chat recording with live proctor if they step in, and personally my favorite a transcript of all sounds/words used. Ex: Red flag raised if anything like “Siri” or “Alexa” is said.
Students are required to do a 360 room scan including demonstrating to me in the room scan a blank dry erase board. I do not allow scratch paper. The dry erase board must also be wiped clear and shown before exiting the exam. I do take some time reviewing for dry erase board scans on the first two exams. There is a penalty (10 points) for not demonstrating clean boards. Secretly, I haven’t checked as closely after a few exams, because an email or two with a general reminder of the penalty has deterred some.
HonorLock has an audio alert if a student attempts to use another device to search an exam question provided you preload your questions.
Is this the solution for everyone, no. There are always kinks and of course the cost involved. In addition, it is still possible to cheat and there are test security issues.
We are still in discussion with HonorLock regarding fees for the massive number of exams transitioning from face-to-face to online.
Deeanna Antosh
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On Mar 17, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Crowder, Nathan <ncro...@nwacc.edu> wrote:
Sounds somewhat similar to ProctorU. Anyone have experience with both and can shed some light?
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Deeanna, do you know the cost for Honorlock? Proctorio is $15 per student for one year or $5 per test.
On Mar 17, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Moss, Cindy <mo...@smccd.edu> wrote:
I have seen these already which is why I have never used them. All my online classes have mandatory (in person) proctored exams either from me or somewhere else if they are away. Whatever I decide to do my passage rates will probably be the best ever this semester.
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Nothing like a pandemic to cause us to really think about what we do and how we do it in our online classes.
A little history about me…
I went kicking and screaming into required proctored testing. For twenty years I focused on individual or group projects as my main assessment in all of my classes…F2F and online. As more and more colleges offered proctored testing to their students and students from other colleges, I relented and made 50% of each of my classes proctored exams.
Over the last few years I have focused more and more on creating OER materials for the main classes I teach, Math for Liberal Arts, Finite Math, and Business Calc. Our focus at YC has been to create workbooks with Guided Examples/Practice Problems for students to complete. In a typical class, students watch videos/in person lecture and create notes and do problems in their workbooks. Then they do homework problems in our math system Derivita using the work they put into their workbooks. I also ask them to submit some of the work on the practice problems by taking a picture of them and submitting in a Canvas Assignment. There are also many technology assignments and discussion assignments, but the main parts they are assessed on are the written problems from the workbooks and the Derivita problems. This makes up 50% of their grade. The other 50% is proctored exams.
Reality in light of COVID…
The assignments will remain to be the same, but I now need to realize that they may not be able to do proctored exams. Even though our testing center may remain open with incorporated social distancing, other testing centers my students rely upon may not be open. For me, trying to proctor via ProctorU, HonorLock, ect. Is a financial burden to the students or to the College. My solution needs to be something else.
I am designing a series of open assessment based on open pedagogy principles. Essentially, the students create learning materials for the course to help other students (current and future) learn the content. Since my students have been working from the workbooks, they are well acquainted with what a Guided Examples and corresponding Practice Problem looks like. Asking them to create their own is not a huge stretch (see attached pdf for an example). My motivation to have students create their own examples is that they know what they don’t know and what the obstacles are…who better to create even better examples. Also, in liberal arts math my composition of majors changes every semester. If I had done this last semester I would have expected a lot of guided examples centered around athletics since I had a lot of baseball and soccer team members. This semester my entire class is nursing majors so I expect I will see a lot of Guided Examples on medical topics.
The first set of Guided Examples I am asking them to do comes from the midterm exam that I just returned.
This accomplishes two purposes. It forces them to review their midterm and figure out what they had the most trouble with as well as correct those problems.
Later pairs of assignments will have them do the same thing for each of the chapters in the workbook. At the end of the semester, I will select a proposal from each students and ask them to complete a finished product with a guided example, practice problem, and solution to the practice problem. This submission will be the “final exam” for the semester. I hope to get three pairs of these assignments done during the last half of this semester.
With all of my nursing students and coronavirus news, I expect a lot of related examples in the sections on contingency tables, exponential growth, as well as finance problems (how long will it take to pay back the airline bailout?).
I realize that this is not equivalent to an exam. However, I think it has a lot of benefits that an exam does not provided. In my initial discussions with students about this, they really have bought into the idea of improving the learning materials and sharing them (with proper credit of course). With all of the stress my students are feeling, using alternate assessments that are not high stakes is very beneficial. I do not need to add to their stress…many of them are servers in local restaurants and you can guess how that is going. At the end of all of these open assignments, I think I will have enough information to assess their understanding of the course information…maybe even better than when I use exams since this will require more student contact than I currently get in my online courses.
I had originally thought about doing this in the fall with one course. With the changes we are seeing due to COVID19 I have moved it up. I would welcome any comments and suggestions to help me anticipate issues that might come up. After all, it is “open pedagogy”…
Fred: I’ll bet this approach does not surprise you…back to “projects” I go!
Dr David Graser
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Yavapai College
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Quick response to Barbra on the my.amatyc.org forum - I think it's still in gamma testing and hasn't been set for a complete rollout. More importantly, it's only accessible to AMATYC members whereas I believe this group includes some adjuncts and high school teachers. However, I should post a message there to direct anyone who is interested to this group! Thanks!
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Hi Fred,
Is Proctorio really free for all CA colleges? They told me it was no longer free. Do you have a contact person?
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Hi, All -- Coastline students and faculty luckily have experience and expertise in online teaching and learning. Our quandary is now assessment. Previously everything was online except midterms and finals. Those were paper and pencil, show work, proctored by a human for authentic assessment. Not anymore!
Our math department of about 30 FT and PT faculty are all experimenting with different methods. Me, personally? I'm doing everything in MyMathLab: discussions, announcements, emails, instruction, homework, quizzes, etc. So I have students go to Canvas, activate Proctorio (all CA college students use it free), then go into MyMathLab, take their midterm (which is infinite variation, scrambled question order, show work for partial credit). Then close everything, and I have to review it all. That's the hard part, the time-consuming part. I have created some videos to share what I'm doing. I may change things up for the final but who the hell knows what things will be like in 8 weeks, right? Thanks for all your input, everyone. Keep it coming! -- Fred
Fred's Video for Instructors -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Z6bwC_nGE
Fred's Video for Students -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TZtWNzHoU0&t=1s
Fred's Video to Practice Showing Work Online -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGRRxdMbAKw
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Hi Shelly,
Do you know if it would be only for colleges that are part of the CVC–OEI or all CA colleges?
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Hi,
I have heard they are considering bringing it back. Waiting for final confirmation
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On Mar 22, 2020, at 14:38, Feldon, Fred <ffe...@coastline.edu> wrote:
Fred's Video for Students -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TZtWNzHoU0&t=1s
Fred's Video to Practice Showing Work Online -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGRRxdMbAKw