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cbookout1

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Jul 14, 2018, 10:55:10 PM7/14/18
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I just finished re-reading Echo again and there's something I noticed. 

1st: Bree and Roger at Lallybroch (modern times): Bree goes to the old Lallybroch cemetery and finds a small, badly weathered headstone. She rubs her fingers on it and she can make out on the first line an "E".  On the second line, she makes out a "Y" and a "K".

2nd: Later in the book (back in the 1700s) Jenny takes Young Ian to the cemetery and shows him a small memorial stone that she's placed. It has "Yeksa'a" on the first line and "Iseabail"(sp?) on the second line. 

Do you think Emily will die in BEES (or maybe the last book) and her name was added to the top of the memorial stone? And possibly, over time with settling, debris and weathering, the Iseabail inscription (a third line) couldn't be felt by Bree?

Also, there was one incident where Joseph Brant's Mohawk group (I believe in MOBY) massacred some settlers which is odd (that wasn't his MO), even though he was a British supporter. Now, Emily and family lived in Brant's village/town. Could he have attacked the settlers in retaliation for some attack on Brant's village and Emily and family been killed?

It's a slow time. 

broughps

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Jul 15, 2018, 9:21:55 AM7/15/18
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Wasn't the E for Ellen?

Laura1-07

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Jul 15, 2018, 9:43:11 AM7/15/18
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It's so long since I read, I'm no help.  Sorry.

cbookout1

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Jul 15, 2018, 10:02:44 AM7/15/18
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Let me type this from ECHO (light green paperback)

Chap.21, Pg.217 (Bree--modern time at gravestone)
There, next to Ellen's grave, was the tiny square stone for Caitlin Maisri Murray, Jenny and Ian's sixth child, who had lived only a day or so. 
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There was another, she saw, beside it. Another small stone, as for a child. Not quite as weathered, but plainly almost as old. Only two words on it, she thought, and, closing her eyes, ran her fingers slowly over the stone, feeling out the shallow, broken lines. There was an "E" in the first line. A "Y", she thought, in the second. And maybe a "K."

What sort of Highland Name begins with "Y"? she thought, puzzled, There's Mckay, but that's in the wrong order..."

Chap.83, Pg.709 (Jenny taking young Ian to the graves when J&C returned to Lallybroch with Ian)
"Over here," she said softly, and led him to a small square stone set in the earth. He thought it was Caitlin's grave......but then saw that Caitlin's stone lay a few feet away. This one was the same size and shape, but--he squatted by it, and running his fingers over the shadows of its carving, made out the name.
Yeksa'a.

"Mam," he said, and his voice sounded strange to his own ears.
"Is that right, Ian?" she said, a little anxious. "Your da said he wasna quite certain of the spelling of the Indian name. I had the stone carver put both, though, I thought that was right."

"Both?" But his hand had already moved down and found the other name.
Iseabail.
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So, to me, seems like there was another name inscribed later above Yeksa's name. What can you make of this?

broughps

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Jul 15, 2018, 1:37:29 PM7/15/18
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I can't see it being Emily now, maybe if Ian had stayed with her, but not now when he's married to Rachel. Something someone will have to ask Diana.

cbookout1

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Jul 15, 2018, 5:19:36 PM7/15/18
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Yes, he has Rachel. But I think Ian never really gets over Emily, and that seems to trouble Rachel. I kinda pick this up in DG's BEES excerpt "And a Few Mohawks". There's also a line that seems to be a question as to whether Emily was dead or alive.,,,so, something happened.

ljfav

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Jul 15, 2018, 10:24:55 PM7/15/18
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DG doesn't write in a linear fashion, so I doubt she would be planning ahead enough to plant a hint two books ahead, particularly for a minor character like Emily who doesn't have a voice that speaks to DG. Sorry JMO

Krish728

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Jul 16, 2018, 11:01:50 AM7/16/18
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Reading that snippet, I think the "E" is from "Iseabail". "Y" and "K" are in the second line. So, "Iseabail" could be in the first line? At least it was how when Brianna saw it in the future. And it's somehow changed in the past (with "Yeksa'a" being in the first line) when Young Ian visited the gravestone? I'll blame Diana's bad memory.
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