Re: Attn: SUSAN BUGHER (was Re: New release - NewsPOXY)
phlatÅrse
>
>The particulars of Altopia customers are not heavily scrutinized. We ask
>people to provide their name but we do not have a way of verifying the
>accuracy of what they submit.
>
And _never_ should that 'facility' be made available to
*any* Internet service connexion. Period.
Regrettably, because of arseholes as per the dickhead you
insist on feeding,, there may well come a time in the not
too distant future when a Internet connexion application
will *demand* a verifiable method of true identity for the
applicant. Of course that requirement will be regulated
under "Terrorist Legislation" with the excuse of monitoring
Internet traffic for "Home Security".
The sad fact of the matter is that the reasoning is close to
the Truth, as Fear is the weapon of terrorists and the
arsehole you address uses it most effectively.
No wonder then that in the view of many your tormentor is
indeed a Terrorist and as such should be told nothing and
taken nowhere...with the exception of parking it under a
mushroom.
That said, it is your time and your chain _it_ is tugging.
Have fun <g>
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Alley00p
wrote:
>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:34:23 -0400, Alley00p <alle...@mesazoic.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 02:31:53 +0000 (UTC), Chris Caputo
>><cca...@alt.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Alley00p <alle...@mesazoic.net> writes:
>>>>On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 01:14:13 +0000 (UTC), Chris Caputo
>>>><cca...@alt.net> wrote:
>>>>>The group I read your post in was "alt.binaries.news-server-comparison".
>>>>>It is easy to read or scan all of the messages posted to that group and in
>>>>>doing so I noticed your post. My followup simply went to the groups that
>>>>>your original message was posted to.
>>>>>
>>>>>I top-posted because your message was so long.
>>>>>
>>>>>Greenwood Self-Storage is simply the place where I have the Altopia
>>>>>mailbox. There is nothing suspicious intended by that.
>>>>
>>>>Really?
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>>
>>>>Do you sometimes intend that what you do BE suspicious?
>>>
>>>With respect to Altopia, no.
>>>
>>
>>Do you sometimes intend that what you do BE suspicious?
>>
>>>>>Before moving to
>>>>>Seattle the Altopia mailbox was at a post office but the problem with a
>>>>>P.O. Box is that they can't receive packages from non-U.S. Postal Service
>>>>>carriers. Prior to the North Bend P.O. Box the Bellevue address was at a
>>>>>Mail Boxes Etc., if I recall correctly.
>>>>
>>>>"if I recall correctly"
>>>>
>>>>hmmmmmm, wonder how many heads of small businesses have any doubt
>>>>whatsoever where they retrieve their mail from.
>>>
>>>It was 1996.
>>
>>hmmmmmm, wonder how many heads of small businesses have a sudden
>>improvement in memory when the need arises?
>
>Perhaps there's a line of coke that extends from 1996 to present that
>has clouded Chris' memory. Forgetting where you received your monthly
>checks (and bills) for your business(es) is like forgetting who you
>lost your virginity to. Not very likely to happen.
Welp, it /would/ explain his declining profitability. Can't make a
profit ifn ya can't remember where to collect the payments from!
Chris Caputo
>On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 00:01:08 +0000 (UTC), Chris Caputo
><cca...@alt.net> wrote:
>>I don't think I have ever kept it a secret that Altopia is a small
>>business.
>
>You once claimed that when you founded Altopia that you were but one
>of 2 or 3 NSPs. You bragged of having gotten in on the ground floor
>of an elevator that was headed for the top.
I'd be surprised if I ever bragged about being one of the first Usenet
focused sites. I may have mentioned it, but I doubt I bragged about it.
It is simply the way it is that Zippo (now Newsguy) and AltNet (now
Altopia) were the first, at least as far as I know.
>What happened, Chris? Why are you now, over 12 years later, a "one
>man" operation? Why have 'Johnny-come-lately's' like Giganews managed
>to become multi-millionaire dollar operations, while you struggle to
>keep your server(s) running?
Obviously I have made choices along the way that have contributed to where
Altopia is today. My preference has been to not have employees even
though at times it may have made sense to hire some from a business growth
perspective. But rapid growth was not necessarily a goal with Altopia.
The reason for that choice is that I enjoy running Altopia as a small
business and have not desired to become a larger business with increased
responsibilities. Many people may not realize that it is possible to be
happy and earn a living without having a huge growth rate. And I believe
there are a number of Altopia customers that appreciate that when they
interact with Altopia they are interacting with a real person who cares
about their happiness as a customer.
>Is it because you couldn't resist the urge to don the multitude of
>kOOky sock puppets that are firmly attached to your name and
>reputation, that caused your downfall - ie. 'rH', 'phlatArse',
>'akula', <---- (primary sock), 'NDJ', 'engineer2', etc., etc?
I have not pretended to be any of the nyms you have listed.
>Or is it because you refused to cooperate with the Feds when they were
>conducting a sting/bust of the now infamous PEDO U, and are now under
>their dictates to be a NARC?
Altopia cooperates with the feds as necessary to comply with valid
subpoenas. When the feds have lacked a valid subpoena their request for
information about a customer has been declined.
Chris Caputo
President, Altopia Corporation
Chris Caputo
>On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 02:47:19 +0000 (UTC), Chris Caputo
><cca...@alt.net> wrote:
>>Concerned Usenetizen <conce...@usenet.nospam> writes:
>>>If I decided to pay someone to do work on my car, it's reasonable to ask where the body
>>>shop is - right? Yet you declined to disclose where your machines are. WHY?
>>
>>The location of the body shop is needed so that you know where to take
>>your car.
>
>>On the net people do not generally need to know where servers are
>>physically located.
>
>Not true, Chris. I, for one, want to be sure that the NSP I deal with
>is NOT located in Cuba, for instance, or Russia, or China, or North
>Korea, or Iran, or France, etc....
As I said, beyond knowing that the servers are located in Seattle, people
do not need to know their exact location.
>Didn't you once advocate that NSPs should be located in Cuba?
>
>Why did you advance such a position?
No, I never advocated that servers should be located in Cuba.
Chris Caputo
>On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 02:47:19 +0000 (UTC), Chris Caputo <cca...@alt.net> wrote:
>>complaints should be made to ab...@alt.net.
>
>LOL! Yes, Chris! Most everyone knows that you like to have people
>complain to you at "ab...@alt.net" so that you can harvest email
>addresses along with people's locations and even possibly with their
>ISP address exposed.
>
>Imagine what someone with *your* Internet acumen could do with such
>info! Mayhap you could even tap into their pipe?
>
>At the very least, you can glean information that would allow you to
>stalk them...see the below link...
Quite simply, if a customer is truly committing abuse, there should be
some people out there that are willing to reveal their email address as
part of making a complaint about the alleged abuser. Filtering out people
that hide behind anonymity is a good way to filter out complaints that are
likely to be revenge, harassment or stalking based and thus likely to be
bogus.
>http://home.graffiti.net/kookkamp/chris/court.htm
Already in the scrapbook! :-)
Uni
> "(akula)" <ak...@sharks.plc.ltd> writes:
>
>>On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 00:01:08 +0000 (UTC), Chris Caputo
>><cca...@alt.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't think I have ever kept it a secret that Altopia is a small
>>>business.
>>
>>You once claimed that when you founded Altopia that you were but one
>>of 2 or 3 NSPs. You bragged of having gotten in on the ground floor
>>of an elevator that was headed for the top.
>
>
> I'd be surprised if I ever bragged about being one of the first Usenet
> focused sites. I may have mentioned it, but I doubt I bragged about it.
> It is simply the way it is that Zippo (now Newsguy) and AltNet (now
> Altopia) were the first, at least as far as I know.
May I say, anyone involved in usenet, subscription, maintenance, or
otherwise, can't possibly be good at heart people. Just take a look at
what you offer, then tell me if your local pastor would approve. Your
stripping of header information, such as an abuse e-mail, certainly
proved your goal.
Uni
Alley00p
Actually, you're already in the scrapheap.
Chris Caputo
>This post, Chris Caputo <cca...@alt.net>
>Message-ID:<<6vcsa.3...@news.alt.net>>
>may be monitored for quality assurance:
>|
>|>Or is it because you refused to cooperate with the Feds when they were
>|>conducting a sting/bust of the now infamous PEDO U, and are now under
>|>their dictates to be a NARC?
>|
>|Altopia cooperates with the feds as necessary to comply with valid
>|subpoenas. When the feds have lacked a valid subpoena their request for
>|information about a customer has been declined.
>
>
>Without releasing any person information on any users who may be customers
>of yours, have there been any valid or invalid subpoenas on any members of
>this group.
Hi. When you say "group" what do you mean? If you mean readers of a
particular newsgroup, I am unable to answer that because Altopia does not
track what groups customers participate in.
Government subpoenas are generally related to child porn. I don't recall
a single one that had to do with copyright.
Alley00p
<cca...@alt.net> wrote:
>TheApostle <likes-...@mailme.org> writes:
>>This post, Chris Caputo <cca...@alt.net>
>>Message-ID:<<6vcsa.3...@news.alt.net>>
>>may be monitored for quality assurance:
>>|
>>|>Or is it because you refused to cooperate with the Feds when they were
>>|>conducting a sting/bust of the now infamous PEDO U, and are now under
>>|>their dictates to be a NARC?
>>|
>>|Altopia cooperates with the feds as necessary to comply with valid
>>|subpoenas. When the feds have lacked a valid subpoena their request for
>>|information about a customer has been declined.
>>
>>I do have one question about that last statement, Chris.
>>
>>Without releasing any person information on any users who may be customers
>>of yours, have there been any valid or invalid subpoenas on any members of
>>this group.
>
>Hi. When you say "group" what do you mean? If you mean readers of a
>particular newsgroup, I am unable to answer that because Altopia does not
>track what groups customers participate in.
>
Translation: Christ lezzie, you are stupid.
>Government subpoenas are generally related to child porn. I don't recall
>a single one that had to do with copyright.
>
And you still have memory problems.
TheApostle
may be monitored for quality assurance:
|
|TheApostle <likes-...@mailme.org> writes:
|>This post, Chris Caputo <cca...@alt.net>
|>Message-ID:<<6vcsa.3...@news.alt.net>>
|>may be monitored for quality assurance:
|>|
|>|>Or is it because you refused to cooperate with the Feds when they were
|>|>conducting a sting/bust of the now infamous PEDO U, and are now under
|>|>their dictates to be a NARC?
|>|
|>|Altopia cooperates with the feds as necessary to comply with valid
|>|subpoenas. When the feds have lacked a valid subpoena their request for
|>|information about a customer has been declined.
|>
|>I do have one question about that last statement, Chris.
|>
|>Without releasing any person information on any users who may be customers
|>of yours, have there been any valid or invalid subpoenas on any members of
|>this group.
|
|Hi. When you say "group" what do you mean? If you mean readers of a
|particular newsgroup, I am unable to answer that because Altopia does not
|track what groups customers participate in.
|
|Government subpoenas are generally related to child porn. I don't recall
|a single one that had to do with copyright.
That statement answers my question adequately.
Thanks.
So the people in alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc.d can rest assured knowing that
all the complaints Mjolner, and friends, admit to sending are only to NSP's
for AUP/TOS complaints and they have no power.
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Chris Caputo
I have never been arrested.
>It is not up to *you*, Chris caputo, to determine if a subpoena is
>valid. A court issues a subpoena and THAT is what makes it valid.
>You have to comply with it and turn over all records immediately.
>Failure to do so would be grounds for your arrest.
>
>Now, after turning over said records, or what not, THEN you may hire a
>lawyer and challenge the *grounds* under which the subpoena was
>issued. But you cannot challenge it's *validity*.
For us (Altopia), determination of whether a subpoena is valid includes
things such as making sure it was not forged, making sure it actually came
from the government body that purports to have produced it, making sure
the government body has jurisdiction over us, making sure it was properly
signed and executed, etc.
Chris Caputo
Just to clarify...
In no way do I mean to suggest that copyright violators are immune to
prosecution on Usenet. Just as governments can pursue posters for data
they deem illegal, so can private entities. I would say that anyone that
posts copyrighted information without permission is taking a legal risk
and should stop.
Alley00p
heheh - ya freak. No different than a bartender telling doogie phelps
not to rdink what's in the glass as he pours it full.
Too rich!
Chris Caputo
A closer analogy is that of someone who provides customers with a cup, but
leaves the filling and emptying of that cup up to the customer.
Alley00p
<cca...@alt.net> wrote:
(g) Looking for salvation there?
A "closer analogy" isn't needed.
Fine, use your "new, improved analogy".
It plays out the same.
Alley00p
<steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
>Hi. This is the meow-send program at usenet. I'm afraid I wasn't able to
>deliver any clue to the following address: cca...@alt.net "Chris
>Caputo"
>This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>wow, interesting thread!
>chris, the poster you are replying to is clearly mentally ill; you
>absolutely don't have to justify yourself to him. fair play to you for
>attempting to respond to him in a reasonable manner but I fear you might
>as well be talking to a brick wall.
>
Gee, I wonder how much CC appreciates you condescendingly explaining
to him whom he should, and should not reply to.
You surely must wonder how he's gotten along all these years without
your constant admonitions.
Has it occured to you, that given your obvious talents, an excellent
and rewarding career move would be to take up residence at the door of
the men's room at some local and busy restaurant?
Yup, you could advise everyone to wash their hands before exiting.
Imagine the gratitude you'd receive.
>:
>: Chris Caputo
>: President, Altopia Corporation
Steve Leyland
"Alley00p"
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
: On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 02:41:50 +0100, "Steve Leyland"
you have clearly misunderstood the intentions of my post, although I
sincerely doubt chris has.
:
: You surely must wonder how he's gotten along all these years without
: your constant admonitions.
PMSL.
"constant admonitions"?
indubitably you have msg ids to back up this ludicrous statement?
<awaits huge backpedal>
:
: Has it occured to you, that given your obvious talents, an excellent
: and rewarding career move would be to take up residence at the door of
: the men's room at some local and busy restaurant?
:
: Yup, you could advise everyone to wash their hands before exiting.
: Imagine the gratitude you'd receive.
given your displayed intelligence maybe when they finally let you out of
the psychiatric ward perhaps you could flip burgers in mcdonalds for
minimum wage?
:
:
:::
::: Chris Caputo
::: President, Altopia Corporation
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=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=
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those brave men and women in uniform
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but the oil men in the white house
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lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in
the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely
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is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing."
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Steve Leyland is a trolling twat of the highest order. Killfile the
muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past
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"I didn't delete any part of your meaningless, pointless, worthless
post in order to clearly demonstrate that you are the nemesis of
Usenet: the crossposting, non-editing, diagram-creating worthless,
dickless, brainless, gutless, mindless, ball-less, spineless, flaccid,
obese, fish-belly pale, ugly, VD-ridden, moronic, bald, hunch-backed,
flat-footed, odoriferous, obnoxious, fecal-smelling, buck-toothed,
physically handicapped, fungus-infected, HIV positive, mud-packing,
masturbating, whining, simpering, self-important, arrogant, egomaniacal
POS that takes up more bandwidth than a despicable binary-poster, and
for no apparent reason beyond seeing his own defecatory vomitus
slithering down the screen in vile green rivulets."
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And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.
And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.
And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."
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Alley00p
<steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
No, I have not.
>:
>: You surely must wonder how he's gotten along all these years without
>: your constant admonitions.
>
>PMSL.
>"constant admonitions"?
>indubitably you have msg ids to back up this ludicrous statement?
>
No, I have not.
><awaits huge backpedal>
>
Start peddling.
>:
>: Has it occured to you, that given your obvious talents, an excellent
>: and rewarding career move would be to take up residence at the door of
>: the men's room at some local and busy restaurant?
>:
>: Yup, you could advise everyone to wash their hands before exiting.
>: Imagine the gratitude you'd receive.
>
>given your displayed intelligence maybe when they finally let you out of
>the psychiatric ward perhaps you could flip burgers in mcdonalds for
>minimum wage?
>:
Perhaps. Have you found that to be a rewarding career?
Noticed you could not resist the need for another condescending reply.
BTW, do you want the burger burned to match?
Uni
Leyland thinks he's somebody, but swinging around a wet noodle gets him
nowhere.
:-)
Uni
Steve Leyland
deliver any clue to the following address: alle...@mesazoic.net
"Alley00p"
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
: On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 04:52:50 +0100, "Steve Leyland"
yes, you have.
:
:::
::: You surely must wonder how he's gotten along all these years without
::: your constant admonitions.
::
:: PMSL.
:: "constant admonitions"?
:: indubitably you have msg ids to back up this ludicrous statement?
::
: No, I have not.
now you're beginning to sound like a poorly programmed bot.
so IOW you have absolutely no proof of the foolish accusations you make?
:
:: <awaits huge backpedal>
::
:
: Start peddling.
bwahahahaha. I don't think so.
:
:::
::: Has it occured to you, that given your obvious talents, an excellent
::: and rewarding career move would be to take up residence at the door
::: of the men's room at some local and busy restaurant?
:::
::: Yup, you could advise everyone to wash their hands before exiting.
::: Imagine the gratitude you'd receive.
::
:: given your displayed intelligence maybe when they finally let you
:: out of the psychiatric ward perhaps you could flip burgers in
:: mcdonalds for minimum wage?
:::
:
: Perhaps. Have you found that to be a rewarding career?
:
: Noticed you could not resist the need for another condescending reply.
well perhaps you shouldn't make it so easy for me to be condescending to
you with
a display of at least some slight intelligence?
:
: BTW, do you want the burger burned to match?
wot, flamed to a crisp like you appear to be? no thanX.
:::
:::::
::::: Chris Caputo
::::: President, Altopia Corporation
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em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org
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=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=
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Alley00p
<steveREMOVEDOT...@meow.org.invalid> wrote:
No, I have not.
>:::
>::: You surely must wonder how he's gotten along all these years without
>::: your constant admonitions.
>::
>:: PMSL.
>:: "constant admonitions"?
>:: indubitably you have msg ids to back up this ludicrous statement?
>::
>: No, I have not.
>
>now you're beginning to sound like a poorly programmed bot.
>so IOW you have absolutely no proof of the foolish accusations you make?
>:
Absolutely none.
And, neither have you.
>:: <awaits huge backpedal>
>::
>:
>: Start peddling.
>
>bwahahahaha. I don't think so.
You don't think at all.
Keep peddling.
>:
>:::
>::: Has it occured to you, that given your obvious talents, an excellent
>::: and rewarding career move would be to take up residence at the door
>::: of the men's room at some local and busy restaurant?
>:::
>::: Yup, you could advise everyone to wash their hands before exiting.
>::: Imagine the gratitude you'd receive.
>::
>:: given your displayed intelligence maybe when they finally let you
>:: out of the psychiatric ward perhaps you could flip burgers in
>:: mcdonalds for minimum wage?
>:::
>:
>: Perhaps. Have you found that to be a rewarding career?
>:
>: Noticed you could not resist the need for another condescending reply.
>
>well perhaps you shouldn't make it so easy for me to be condescending to
>you with
>a display of at least some slight intelligence?
When you do, I will.
>:
>: BTW, do you want the burger burned to match?
>
>wot, flamed to a crisp like you appear to be? no thanX.
>
Too bad, you're already toast.
Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.
<phlat�r...@0lympic.icons.ret> wrote:
>Chris Caputo <cca...@alt.net>, took a moment to utter:
>
>>
>>The particulars of Altopia customers are not heavily scrutinized. We ask
>>people to provide their name but we do not have a way of verifying the
>>accuracy of what they submit.
>>
>And _never_ should that 'facility' be made available to
>*any* Internet service connexion. Period.
>Regrettably, because of arseholes as per the dickhead you
>insist on feeding,, there may well come a time in the not
>too distant future when a Internet connexion application
>will *demand* a verifiable method of true identity for the
>applicant. Of course that requirement will be regulated
>under "Terrorist Legislation" with the excuse of monitoring
>Internet traffic for "Home Security".
>The sad fact of the matter is that the reasoning is close to
>the Truth, as Fear is the weapon of terrorists and the
>arsehole you address uses it most effectively.
>No wonder then that in the view of many your tormentor is
>indeed a Terrorist and as such should be told nothing and
>taken nowhere...with the exception of parking it under a
>mushroom.
>That said, it is your time and your chain _it_ is tugging.
> Have fun <g>
>
> pA (_|_)
Ah, I sure enjoyed that blast of <phlat�r...@0lympic.icons.ret>
from the past. Poor 52% is a mere shadow of the original phlatty.
Oh, for the good old days. I particularly miss that very gay
sig line.
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Sir Gregory