The considerations of Mr. Stoltz
Captain Greek
Spiritual Diksha.
My purpose is not to give initiation to anyone, the tecniques as i alreday
explain are there ( and they will be whatenever you want it or not) for
cross reference.
I don't give the necessary backround such as spiritual bhavor diet and so on
because i don't want do make its easy to be practicede by anyone thing that
can be dangerous.
One the other hand S.R.F was not able to do Italian translations of the
lessons that is aginst the wish of The Master and people that is practicing
just first kriya must have the other 3 tecniques also.
And all the serious students of oriental religions must be able to compare
practices without have to follow avery spiritual or so called group.
Stoltz
> One the other hand S.R.F was not able to do Italian translations of the
> lessons that is aginst the wish of The Master
Is that what the Master personally told you, or is that what *YOU*
think
Master wants ?
Kind of reminds me of certain born again Christians I've met who think
that
some mystical power from God forces Jesus to be in complete agreement
with every thing they say, simply because they have strong "religious"
convictions about what truth is, but have not subjected themself to
the rigorous scientific process (or a master's thorough process) of
self-scrutiny. You know the type, the kind who post all sorts of
crap on the internet with a pompous attitude under an alias which
hides their true inadequacies ....
At any rate, right wrong or indifferent, many of those in SRF
leadership did know the Master personally (and still do :-) ...) and
really have spoken to Him about His wishes. And, SRF cassette tapes
with Master's voice on it also suggest a connection between SRF and
Yogananda's wishes.
Stoltz
Captain Greek
precise instructions about how and when translate the lessons. I don't
believe him.
THey became nationalistic and concentrated thei efforts in U.S.A where the
buisness is greater.
"Stoltz" <stolt...@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:a2fd4b22.03062...@posting.google.com...
Stoltz
> Once i met at Rome an S.R.F. and he said to me that Yoganada leave them
> precise instructions about how and when translate the lessons. I don't
> believe him.
> THey became nationalistic and concentrated thei efforts in U.S.A where the
> buisness is greater.
Hmm, thats interesting, then why do you suppose Yogananda and Babaji
selected the US as the place for Yogananda to start the SRF ? It
couldn't be because Americans actually are interested in God and have
the freedom to pursue their beliefs without being shot in the head
could it ?
With all the "mistakes" SRF has made in the timing of their
translations, its a real good thing that you came on the scene to
"rescue the day" and teach them your watered down version of Kriya.
After all, how else would it be possible for God's omnipresence to
reach all those hoards of God thirsty souls without a God tuned master
like you to intervene and tell all those ignoramus' at SRF that it was
the proper time to dispense with Yogananda's precise instructions ?
The world "needs" you ....
Stoltz
Captain Greek
greta must but see what the Cristian Church has done in the Middle Ages.
Does Christ said to kill Giordano Bruno or Jeane D'Arc?
Some thing happened with S.R.F. Once the Master died the disciples became
dogmatic and crystalised, in few words they lost the spirit of the teachings
of Yogananda.
Stoltz
> The world don't needs me and i have no "mission" to complish. Christ was a
> greta must but see what the Cristian Church has done in the Middle Ages.
> Does Christ said to kill Giordano Bruno or Jeane D'Arc?
> Some thing happened with S.R.F. Once the Master died the disciples became
> dogmatic and crystalised, in few words they lost the spirit of the teachings
> of Yogananda.
Precisely Captain Greek, and that's why the world "needs" *YOU* to
save them from this and put diagrams with no explanations and watered
down techniques on bulletin boards. After all, this is 100 times
better than those dogmatic and crystalized people at SRF can do. You
know what I'm talking about Captain Greek, those people on Mt.
Washington who say you need devotion to find God and cast away
"thirsty" souls by not throwing more Kriya techniques at their feet.
How *DARE* they put obstructions in the way of thirsty souls - souls
who are so eager to employ techniques to trap God's *POWER* within
their own consciousness that they don't have time for devotion.
Yeah baby, they're thirsty all right, and thank "God" they have you to
quench
their thirst.
Stoltz
Stoltz
> The world don't needs me and i have no "mission" to complish.
How about that yogi Paramahansa Yogananda talked about who gained
physical immortality without even practicing a single Kriya.
Remember - the one who jumped off the cliff ?
If they don't print Kriya lessons in Italy yet, then let those people
f'ing fly to Los Angeles and get them in person ..... and if they lack
the money, but spend their last waking moment dying in the effort to
get it .... then dammit they will.
Stoltz
penka
Hi ppl,
I writes my opinion only completely briefly.
Sorry for my bad English (i can only German and Bulgarian).
I read since long time, what is written in this group, I find very
rarely something "genuine".
I met my master in Kriya Yoga and i believe that everyone can
determine it IMMEDIATELY, whether the master is a fake or not.
One week long, after I had met him, I did not know, where I am.
It changed me, immediately, in the place, I felt the guidance.
Friends of me came to him after that, everyone had the same
experiences.
He is a desciple of Harihahananda and since 1981 in Nirvikalpa Samdhi.
We meditate together every time 3 times..
There is only one kind of masters: the realized one!
It looks here, as no one of the "sad gurus" and attained "swamis" the
self realization ataind.
I do not want to insult, how one here so often makes.
I wanted only to give the "advice" to the "simple" seekers,that there
are Gurus, and one finds, if one really wishes it.
Well, I wrote the whole for the reason, because my master also comes
in Italy and this year remains for a long time.
Otherwise it makes at least 2 seminars in Switzerland and in Germany
each month. That is not advertisement, I want simply to say that there
are possibilities for the Italians also.
Greeting to everything, Martin
PS:
www.kriya-yoga.net
the internet site of Yogi Dhirananda
Vincent Laguerre
> Here is a list of all the qualified acharyas recognized by Hariharananda:
>
> http://www.kriya.org/gurus_acharyas/f_gurus_acharyas.htm
>
> Where is your "Dhirananda"?
Dhirananda is living in Switzerland.
He was allowed to teach Kriya by Hariharananda.
Some years ago Hariharananda withdrew him the rigth to teach. (As he
did for Shankarananda, Atmanada, and many others...)
Dhirananda was never in nirvikapla samadhi
By the way... Harihanaranda was never in nirvikalpa samadhi.
Everybody believe it, but it was not. Hariharananda was a very
skillfull scoundel :-)
Vincent
rand1...@webtv.net
Swami Dâ Prem
Vincent Laguerre
> Actually, Swami Hariharananda was really a disciple of
> Bijaykrishna Chattopadhyaya Babu and Swami Satyananda Giri and never
> of Swami Sri Yukteswar.
Yes.
More: he received the 2nd kriya from Swami Satyananda. That is why his 2nd
kriya teaching is close from the genuine 2nd kriya.
But he never received other kriyas included the first one (yes, incredible
but true)
That is why all the kriyas (except 2nd) he taught have nothing in common
with the genuine kriyas.
People who don't believe me and who know the first kriya can go and meet an
Harihahanranda's teacher. They will see that I am telling the truth (Alas. I
would prefer to be wrong and thousands of people not deluded)
> He was able to acquire the Puri Ashram due to
> his being appointed as president of Sadhu Sabha after Swami Satyananda
> Giriji's passing;
Yes.
> not because he was a disciple of Swami Sri
> Yukteswar.
Yes
> He used Swami Sri Yukteswar's name for propaganda,
Yes.
> and it
> was very effective.
Yes....
> He
> never found the courage to tell the truth even to his closest sishyas
> for fear of ending up as a persona non grata in Kriya. However, his
> ability to still the breath was true.
No. I knew him very much. He spent much time in France in the eighties. I
had no ability to still the breath.
> But whether or not he was able
> to enter nirbikalpa samadhi prior to his transition from the body is
> only between him and God to know. Please, let us refrain from
> referring to a dead man as "scoundrel."
I should say a crook. The fact that he is dead change nothing. I was
referring him as a crook much before his death. For many years in fact.
> He was a good Swami,
No. He spent his life lying. Never having the courage to say the truth as
you wrote yourself
A liar without courage can not be a good Swami.
> no controversy or abuse.
Always controversy or abuse, espcially during the nineties. More calm after.
> He wrote nice books,
Books which have nothing to see with kriya....
> never spoke ill of others,
Always speaking ill of others. Especially each time he threw away one of his
teacher, he spent at least one year speaking ill of the boy every days and
in every places. I saw this in Paris, after he threw away Shankaranda (who
is also a crook).
> initiated hundreds in Kriya
Alas.
> For those things we honor him.
Normal. You are a crook as him.
Vincent
Vincent Laguerre
> I humbly advice you to cease and desist in utilizing terms of
> endearment to address me. Because while I have nothing personal
> against homosexuals, you should realize that never in my life will I
> ever consider same sex relationship as an option.
Nothing homosexual when I call you baby. I mean little baby boy.
See your initials:
Brother
Atmananda
Brahman
Yoga
:-)
> I therefore officially declare you as a persona
> non grata in Kriya.
ah ah !!
:--------)
Very funny.
Vincent
Vincent Laguerre
> One of my disciples actually received 1st Kriya from Hariharanandaji
> through Swami Atmananda prior to her discovering the BAY Path. Once,
> due to rumors that came up regarding the Swami's supposed revision of
> the 1st Kriya, I requested that she perform the Kriya she learned from
> him in my presence. She proceeded to practice in a manner identical to
> the 1st Kriya of the Sri Yukteswar parampara.
You indirectly claim that you know the genuine kriya. ... hum ....
Poor girl. From one charlatan to another.
The first Kriya of Sri Yukteswarjee... This is a joke !
In Hariharananda's first kriya, there is even no breathing inside the spine.
What you said is very strange, coming from an ex-SRF'S kriyaban.
> Now, for one reason or
> the other, a revision of their 1st kriya could have taken place after
> her receiving it from Swami Atmananda.
Hariharanada revised the technique after he threw Atmanada out. That's true.
But there is also many other revisions.
I knew Hariharanda for thirty years.
I know at least two hundred french people who were initiated by him. I spoke
with them about the technic. I spoke also very much with many Hariharandas's
teachers. I know personnaly Atmananda, Shankarandana, Prajnanananda, Peter
van Breukelen and some others. I know the six "kriyas" of the
Hariharananda's teaching. I know what I am speaking about.
And for me you are clearly a charlatan who doesn't know what he is speaking
about.
But stop it. I don't want to waste my time speaking endlessly with a
charlatan like you and I will not answer to your next post. People can judge
by themselves. It is easy to take initiation in Hariharananda's way (just
give money) so it is easy to verify what I said.
It is easy to take initiation from SRF, Atmananda, Shankaranda and so on,
and notice the differences.
May be it is not pleasant to take many initiations and to be suspicious
toward the teachers. But as the kriya world is full of charlatans, it is
wise to choose carefully.
People should never believe this one or this one just reading a post in a
newsgroup or just speaking one time here or there. Nowadays, rigorous
kriyabans should first verify if their "guru" is genuine or not.
Vincent
penka
BBA, you see, many people say you : you are blind..
You dont belive it?
"sad-guru"
hahahaha
you know all kriya techniques, but in my opinion you have never done
kriya yoga.
kriya yoga is the unity with spirit, technique helps one only to reach
this state. To reach this state you need also the help of a "guru"...
I feel it, you will not belive it i know..it is not important..
Harirananda took initation in Kriya from Sri Yukteshwar and the second
kriya from Paramahamsa Yogananda...
In his book
"Kriya yoga" one can find a letter from Yogananda to Hariharananda :
-
"Paramahansa Yogananda epowers Swamijee to initiate people into
Kriyayoga"
Dhirananda doesn't give initation for money,
one shoult practice the first kriya one year and then he gives a real
initation. After the initation everybody was able to see the the 3
projections of God : light, sound, vibration.
I know, you and your "attachment" Swami-Da-Prem will not stop flooding
this group with silly replays..
drd...@yahoo.com (Brother Brahman-Atmananda) wrote in message news:<12053fad.03071...@posting.google.com>...
> Here is a list of all the qualified acharyas recognized by Hariharananda:
>
> http://www.kriya.org/gurus_acharyas/f_gurus_acharyas.htm
>
> Where is your "Dhirananda"?
>
> hris...@in.tum.de (penka) wrote in message news:<3101e0f2.03071...@posting.google.com>...
Swami Dâ Prem
penka wrote:
> hahaha,
> BBA, you see, many people say you : you are blind..
> You dont belive it?
> "sad-guru"
> hahahaha
> you know all kriya techniques, but in my opinion you have never done
> kriya yoga.
Your opinion doesn't mean shit. Anyone can have an opinion. A prisoner
for example could have the opinion that he didn't commit a crime. He
could tell his lawyer and the court to high hell that he didn't commit a
crime he is charged for. Yet, everything is pointing in the direction
that he did commit the crime. There is physical evidence, witnesses, etc.
So, simply stating that you have an opinion doesn't mean shit. You have
no evidence or facts to back up your shallow statements.
> kriya yoga is the unity with spirit, technique helps one only to reach
> this state. To reach this state you need also the help of a "guru"...
> I feel it, you will not belive it i know..it is not important..
Stop babbling like a fool, and if you are going to bother to communicate
in English, please learn the language before you try to spit out
sentences. I hope you are able to read this right, otherwise I might be
wasting my time on you.
> Harirananda took initation in Kriya from Sri Yukteshwar and the second
> kriya from Paramahamsa Yogananda...
> In his book
> "Kriya yoga" one can find a letter from Yogananda to Hariharananda :
> -
> "Paramahansa Yogananda epowers Swamijee to initiate people into
> Kriyayoga"
This isn't a letter, but a quote saying Yogananda said something to this
affect. If you are going to mention the letter, you should type it up
and display it as proof to your statements. Okay?
> Dhirananda doesn't give initation for money,
> one shoult practice the first kriya one year and then he gives a real
> initation. After the initation everybody was able to see the the 3
> projections of God : light, sound, vibration.
>
> I know, you and your "attachment" Swami-Da-Prem will not stop flooding
> this group with silly replays..
I'm an attachment? What the hell is that? Boy, you don't know how to
use the English langauge too well, do you? Go back to grade school,
maybe you'll learn something.
Peace,
Swami Da Prem
penka
I would like to apologize first, I had seen, I wrote insulting things
and I do not want it, although I dont like you and your "Brahman Atman
Yoga"
I believe, one is to behave not in such a way, like one does in these
Newsgruoup My answer was a reaction of your writings in this
group.Sorry..
I understands everything that is written in english, i can not write
correct.. (i mean i have understood what you have written to me).
Whatever..
Last things over Dhirananda:
It was sent by Hariharananda 1977 into the west. Here all can inform
about him (in English).
http://www.kriya-yoga.net/Dhiran/about_dhiran_en.htm
I do not want to discuss also whether it is in nirvikalpa samadhi or
not, everyone can "feel" it, if one meets him.
There are costs for the seminars (rather symbolic).
He is not such as guru, whom one sees only once during the
inauguration and then very rarely. His disciples meet him (if they
want) approximately once in the month for 2 days.
It has the ability to awake Kundalini and around him is allways a very
pleasant smell, which spreads in the whole area, when he comes.
He is certainly uninterrupted in one very height consciousness.
Since then I met him, is my "evolution" at least 10 times faster.
Only since 3 months of the first Kriyas I had the first experiences in
the astral.
Why do I write that?
I wrote this for all, that belive there arent't "real" Gurus..There
are..
I do not understand simply, how it is posible, a person like you (BBA)
to behave so badly to the others.
It is not a matter of me, it is a matter of the content of the whole
goup. It is possible that you have reached a particular level , but do
you belive (honestly) you spiritual ego is not to big?
Do you believe wirkich that you are a "Guru" and can lead others?
Can a such high developed person behave in such a way? I ask myself
simply, what one would do, if one is not yet on a spiritual way and
reads such Messages in this news-group.
****
Kriya Yoga
Kri = action
Ya = spirit
Yoga = unity
I meant, BBA can have all Kriyas, but I do not believe he has the key
of Kriya Yoga.
I made only a bad attempt to describe it.
Kriya does not mean a technology.
Kriya Yoga is the unit with the Spirit (Christ consciousness, Krishna
consciousness, Buddha consciousness) in all actions.
That is which one realy should do,
Kriyas (I have it meant with Kriya technology) can help, but if one
ignores the essenc then is the development very slowly.
A genuine Guru (for me for example Dhirananda) gives the key for Kriya
Yoga, not only the technology.
I "tested" it.
The key is for me however more important. Whatever..without technology
it
doesn't work.
I will not write any longer unnecessary things.
Greetings,
Martin
The letter is reproducted in Hariharananda's book "Kriya Yoga" (page
x) Fifth Revised and Enlarged Edition, 1998
October 6, 1951
Brahmachari Robynarayan
Yogoda Ashram
Puri, India
Dear Robynarayan:
[something hand-writen at the margin, something like: "Sevananda will
soon finish the .... at Puri."]
I have received your many letters and am sorry I have ben unable to
answer them sooner. My life is one whirl-wind of activity and struggle
for the work. One thing I must ask of you all is that you please do
not write letters to me in Bengali because none of my secretaries can
read -- I read them carefully when they come, but have not the time to
re-read again when dictating. I am at this moment dictating the
following to you at 1 a.m. I love to read the letters written in
Bengali, but for the above-stated reason, I ask that you tell all
writing to me to write in English.
I received a letter from a man who has gone to the Ashram at Puri to
stay, leaving his family. If his whole soul is tied to the work and he
will follow it 100%, then it is alright for him to remain. I am glad
he has come but he must follow all the rules of Brahmacharya.
I am very pleased with the work you are doing at Puri. Keep on with it
with great diligence and at the same time remain faithful to your
meditation. Every minute of your existence hold to the tought of
Divine Mother -- no matter what work you are performing.
What is the name of the student initiated by me here -- you wrote that
he stopped there with his family and you discussed Kriya Yoga. Give
his address too.
Partly due to your recommendation I have already sanctioned the buying
of the Bhuboneswar property and sometime I will make a small ashram.
I give you permission to give the Kriya Yoga to those who are truly in
earnest -- but only after they have received all the other preliminary
techniques -- the tension exercises, concentration exercise (Hang-Sau)
and meditation (listening to Om sound. Contact Prokas about the
technique -- I will instruct office to also send you the form to
follow. Let me hear from you further.
Why don't you train some workers who can carry on the work there? It
requires two years of trainig to bring anyone here and then on my
recommendation. I have writen to Sananda to begin work in Puri and he
will do so. One thing I must ask of each of you and that is that you
all work harmoniously together for the common cause. Do not seek to
find faults in others for then your whole lives become tied to
negativeness. Every person has some faults and needs love and
understanding. Be humble and loving towards others. Keep your minds
engrossed with the Divine and you won't have time to think of these
lesser things. My love and blessings are with you always.
[something hand-writen, I could not read it]
Very sincerely yours,
[signed] P. Yogananda
rand1...@webtv.net
wrath of being further exposed as the pile of donkey droppings that you
are. Who the fuck appointed you as an authoritative spokes person on
anything besides phedophelia. Did you run out of a list of elementary
schools to prowl? When my bowling team was gang banging your sister
this weekend she told us (25 guys) that you taught her how to suck cock
and that you learned from that lice infested Swami Cumananda lover of
yours. Sorry Dr. Daryl! She was so fucking ugly that we thought were
butt fucking the bitch only to find out that she was blowing us! She
makes that ancient rag that you initiated look like Jennifer Lopez. By
the way how much would it cost to get that shriveled up corpse to do my
baseball team. Would $20.00 be enough. When we get done jerking off on
her face she will have more protein than a truck load of fava beans.
Try licking it off here prune face! At least it cut down on number of
times per week you go shop lifting for food.
People on this board should be aware that you are the CEO of The Lotus
Glory Hole Temple of Atmananda, Inc. Is this a new franchise that you
vermin are running? Don't you think that charging railroad jockeys
$10.00 a wack to stick their smega wreaking peckers through your lotus
shaped glory holes only to have them get a class B suckoff from Mrs.
Prem is a bit over priced? It might be worth it if he removed his
dentures. At least he might gum them to an orgasm! It is clear that
you have the spiritual insights of a Jehovah's Witness in the advanced
stages of the clap and a severe case of polio of the brain. Are you one
of Jerry's kids? When the fuck are you going to show some courtesy in
your post? You are one dense gay swamp lily! Wouldn't Sister Atmananda
be a better title?
I think that the coke that you and your International Philipino Council
of Degenerates are selling to school kids is probably cut with speed.
Have the shit tested peckerhead and at least make your hanging out at
Toys R Us a profitable one.
And tell that cactus sucking Prem turd to never, ever contact me again
and offer me money to stop my post about you predators.
You are a disgrace to your native country!
Now take your thumb out of your ass, turn off the Judy Garland 8 track
tape, spit out the rabbit pellets that you think are M&Ms and get the
fuck back in the septic tank where you belong.
THE MIGHTY RAND HAS SPOKEN!!!!!
rand1...@webtv.net
Here is a list of the ENTIRE membership of this
4 stooges operation:
A Ms. Sugerbum of California. Rand's research has turned up some
interesting background on this walking cadaver.
1. Born in 1902 she graduated Benedict Arnold High School at the age
of 34.
2. She was involved with the US Army in world war 1 as a USO
entertainer for GI's with premature ejaculation problems. One look at
her face and they never had to think about baseball again.
3. In the late 70s she married well know Hollywood star Arnold the
Pig from "Green Acres". The marriage was annulled when she was caught
in bed with the original "Todays Show" Zippy the Chimp.
4. She was purchased by Sister Atmananda at a garage sale. It was
until 2 weeks later that he discover she was not a blow up granny doll.
This piece of work comes out of Arizona.
Here is what Rand found out about Mr. JP:
1. He was brought up in Brazil by a family of jackels. This accounts
for aversion to soap and while he still dines by foraging in parking
lots at Burger King's for dinner.
2. He was a member of the 400 member accordion band the "Box Squeezers"
until he was observed using a 12 year boy's pecker as a wind instrument.
3. His last know position was kneeling.
4. He is in charge of the state of Arizona.
We have not figured out yet what the fuck there is to be in charge of in
the middle of the desert.
The next member is a tragedy indeed.
A teen only know as Mr. Thomas has not been seen since he attended the
Philipino
weenie festival held at Fire Island NY in 2001 sponsored by Sister
Atmananda.
Rumor had it that he is the Sisters personal sex slave and is boxed up
23 hours a day as "The Gimp".
Sister Atmananda expects hundreds of new members in the coming week as
he
is negotiating with the Federal Government for custody of all currently
imprisoned homosexuals in the United States.
Please check out his website:
www.Idon'tKnowWhatTheFuck/I/Am/Talking/About.Pussy
rand1...@webtv.net
fall for your line of bullshit"
From Sisters Atmananda's soon to be released book: " High School Prom
Memories with John Wayne Gacey"
Swami Dâ Prem
I don't care if you attack my person or my guru (because I know my guru
is capable of defending himself), but when you begin to attack members
of Our Congregation, then we have a problem.
I'm going to ask you only once, then I won't be Mr. Nice-Guy any longer.
Will you leave the members of Our Congregation out of your childish rants?
Thank you,
Prem
penka
BBA,
something is really wrong with you =)
ich enjoy what you wrote, because you have understood only 0.001%
you shuld get rest, virtual "net-guru"..
a friend of me told me that people like you exist, i didn't belive.
yet i have seen it is true..it is a good expiriance.
i'm realy pleased that i can enjoy that i dont know any ppl like you
hahahah,
you are just a joke, "brother"..
drd...@yahoo.com (Brother Brahman-Atmananda) wrote in message news:<12053fad.03072...@posting.google.com>...
> hris...@in.tum.de (penka) wrote in message news:<3101e0f2.03072...@posting.google.com>...
> > BBA & Swami Da Prem..
> >
> > I would like to apologize first, I had seen, I wrote insulting things
> > and I do not want it, although I dont like you and your "Brahman Atman
> > Yoga"
>
> That's alright because we also do not like your bogus and stupid idiot
> guru Dhirananda.
>
> > I believe, one is to behave not in such a way, like one does in these
> > Newsgruoup My answer was a reaction of your writings in this
> > group.Sorry..
>
> Having to say sorry means that you are standing on a very unstable
> psychoemotional platform. Your "sorry" here means that you were in an
> uncontrolable state of rage when you spoke ignorantly in the defense
> of your bogus and stupid idiot guru Dhirananda. But now your mood
> changed; you are having wild mood swings. A truly enlightened soul is
> stable, he takes full responsibly of his words and actions even to the
> point of death. But you are like a pregnant woman in her first
> trimester. This means that the "Kriya Yoga" you are practicing is
> working to your disadvantage.
>
> > I understands everything that is written in english, i can not write
> > correct.. (i mean i have understood what you have written to me).
>
> Yes, I know what you mean. My English is also terrible. I am an Asian
> and English is not my mother tongue. Time will come that through
> frequent use we will be able to get the hang of it.
>
> >
> > Whatever..
> > Last things over Dhirananda:
> > It was sent by Hariharananda 1977 into the west. Here all can inform
> > about him (in English).
> >
> > http://www.kriya-yoga.net/Dhiran/about_dhiran_en.htm
>
> This is what he claims. But the fact remains that he is not included
> in the list of duly authorized representatives of Hariharananda
> http://kriya.org/gurus_acharyas/f_gurus_acharyas.htm If a lawyer, for
> example, has been debarred--using his defunct state bar certicate to
> obtain clients is a crime. Do you understand?
>
> >
> > I do not want to discuss also whether it is in nirvikalpa samadhi or
> > not, everyone can "feel" it, if one meets him.
>
> Tell him to come to me and I will observe if I will be able to "feel"
> anything.
>
> > There are costs for the seminars (rather symbolic).
>
> Do not say symbolic, just say they are not for free. Because last time
> you were implying that he's just giving away his teachings.
>
> > He is not such as guru, whom one sees only once during the
> > inauguration and then very rarely. His disciples meet him (if they
> > want) approximately once in the month for 2 days.
>
> He has all the right to proclaim himself as whatever he wants or meet
> his disciples everyday if he believes that that makes him better than
> the others. We are not discussing this thing. Mentioning it is
> uncessary.
>
> > It has the ability to awake Kundalini and around him is allways a very
> > pleasant smell, which spreads in the whole area, when he comes.
>
> That is his fart. It is very pleasant to you now because your
> olfactory sense is already being distorted by your mangled brain.
>
> > He is certainly uninterrupted in one very height consciousness.
> > Since then I met him, is my "evolution" at least 10 times faster.
>
> 10 times faster? So how fast were you going back then one mile per
> year?
>
> > Only since 3 months of the first Kriyas I had the first experiences in
> > the astral.
>
> Brother you are wrong. You can experience the astral through dreaming.
> Even as a child you were already experiencing the astral.
>
> >
> > Why do I write that?
> > I wrote this for all, that belive there arent't "real" Gurus..There
> > are..
>
> Of course there are. But Dhirananda is not one of them.
>
> > I do not understand simply, how it is posible, a person like you (BBA)
> > to behave so badly to the others.
>
> What behaving badly? Analyze if Jesus Christ behaved "badly" in the
> following event.
>
> "And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
> And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and
> the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small
> cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the
> oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
> And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not
> my Father's house an house of merchandise!" - John 2:13-16
>
> When buddha disparaged the Brahmins, was he behaving "badly"?
>
> "As when a string of blind men are clinging one to the other, neither
> can the foremost see, nor can the middle one see, nor can the hindmost
> see, just so, methinks, Vasettha, is the talk of the Brahmins versed
> in the three Vedas" (Tevijja Sutta 1:15)
>
> "What is the use of platted hair, oh fool? What of the raiment of
> goat-skins? Within thee there is ravening, but the outside thou makest
> clean!" (The Buddha, Dhammapada 26:394, The Brahmana)
>
> > It is not a matter of me, it is a matter of the content of the whole
> > goup. It is possible that you have reached a particular level , but do
> > you belive (honestly) you spiritual ego is not to big?
>
> I don't, because there is no such thing as a "spiritual ego." If your
> question is do I have an ego, then the answer is "of course." The ego
> is the "I," the individualized unit of consciousness. Without the ego
> I won't even be embodied.
>
> > Do you believe wirkich that you are a "Guru" and can lead others?
>
> Yes, 101%!
>
> > Can a such high developed person behave in such a way?
>
> Yes, of course.
>
> > I ask myself
> > simply, what one would do, if one is not yet on a spiritual way and
> > reads such Messages in this news-group.
> >
> > ****
> > Kriya Yoga
> >
> > Kri = action
> > Ya = spirit
> > Yoga = unity
>
> Who the hell told you that "ya" means spirit? Kri means "action" or
> "performance" and ya means "to." So Kriya means "to act" or "to
> perform." Yoga means "oneness" from yuj "to yoke." Kriya Yoga
> literally means "applied oneness" as opposed to the theoretical
> oneness of advaita.
>
> >
> > I meant, BBA can have all Kriyas, but I do not believe he has the key
> > of Kriya Yoga.
>
> That is better. Before you said that "you know all kriya techniques,
> but in my opinion you have never done kriya yoga." So my question to
> you was how did I managed to know all the kriyas if I *never* did
> Kriya Yoga. Never means not even once. So now you are saying that I do
> not have "the key." This is another confused statement for the key to
> yoga (oneness) are the kriyas themselves.
>
> > I made only a bad attempt to describe it.
> > Kriya does not mean a technology.
>
> It does.
>
> > Kriya Yoga is the unit with the Spirit (Christ consciousness, Krishna
> > consciousness, Buddha consciousness) in all actions.
>
> You are confusing Kriya Yoga with Karma Yoga. We are speaking here
> about the Kriya Yoga taught by Hariharananda which he purportedly
> received from Sri Yukteswar, Yogananda, Satyananda and Bhupendra Nath
> Sanyal.
>
> > That is which one realy should do,
>
> I humbly suggest that you avoid dictating to people what they "should
> do," you'll just get into trouble.
>
> > Kriyas (I have it meant with Kriya technology) can help, but if one
> > ignores the essenc then is the development very slowly.
>
> Why did you ignore the essence then? I can clearly see that your
> development is virtually non-existent.
>
> > A genuine Guru (for me for example Dhirananda) gives the key for Kriya
> > Yoga, not only the technology.
> > I "tested" it.
>
> Yes you "tested" it but you do not know anything so you were duped. It
> is just like someone who is absolutely ignorant about the difference
> of true diamond and fake diamond. He may test it but still end up with
> a fake diamond.
>
> > The key is for me however more important. Whatever..without technology
> > it
> > doesn't work.
>
> The key is you must realize that Dhirananda is absolutely bogus.
> That's the only key that you need at this moment.
>
> >
> > I will not write any longer unnecessary things.
>
> Thank you for admitting that your writings are uncessary.
>
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Martin
rand1...@webtv.net
Yes! I will leave everyone alone when you and Sister Atmananda stop
posting your angry, disrespectful and sarcastic responses to individuals
who are not as capable as the MIGHTY RAND of defending themselves. Stop
the attacks and I will back off. Respond to people in a civil manner
or get the fuck off this board, Another series of post like the
attacks that prompted Rand to step on your foursome yesterday will
comence again the moment you brainless fucks start up again. I don't
give a flying fuck about you, Sister Atmananda, your 90 old hooker or
the 15 year old punk blowjob.
The both of you are cowards! CLEAN UP YOUR ACT OR PREPARE FOR THE PAIN!
THE MIGHTY RAND HAS SPOKEN!!!
Swami Dâ Prem
> The both of you are cowards! CLEAN UP YOUR ACT OR PREPARE FOR THE PAIN!
Rand,
It's on! Just bring it buddy. You are the coward. I put forth a
challenge and you took it as child's play. All you do is talk, talk,
talk. But if we EVER met in person, you wouldn't have the guts to utter
one word from your filthy mouth. YOU ARE A COWARD hiding behind a computer!
Swami Dâ Prem
English. I'm serious. My guru isn't that great with English either,
but at least he puts forth the effort to write coherent posts before he
sends them through the fiber optics of cyberspace.
You best not speak again, otherwise you will be stomped on.
rand1...@webtv.net
bars, bestiality festivals, bus stations, cock fights, buffalo
circumsisions, welfare offices, crack houses, pimp conventions, gerbil
breeding farms, sodomy classes, glory hole temples, crystal meth labs,
mens rooms at the airports, play grounds, Chucky Cheese and other
location where you doucebags are likely to be.
I will meet you Sister Atmananda the old bitch at the entrance to the
Holland Tunnel this afternoon at 200PM. I have two Buster Browns that I
will stick up both your asses as Sugerbum licks my balls.
Fuck you and the camel you rode in on!
THE MIGHTY RAND HAS SPOKEN!!!!
rand1...@webtv.net
Much thanks to you and your wife Swami Cumananda for blowing my German
Shepard "Thor" this afternoon. The way you expertly cupped his balls
while Swami JP licked his 14 inch doggy pecker was a sight to behold in
front of over 75000 drivers passing through the Holland Tunnel. And
lets not leave out Grandma Sugerbum. She swallowed that canine jism
like Lassies trainer. Just a reminder girls that the three of you have
a date with my pony "Rex the Wonder Horse" next Tuesday morning. And
please keep your promise to have Grandma Sugerbum have a colonic
irrigation before the big foursome. Rex hates ancient poop on his horsey
tool. You know the drill......stick a high pressure water hose up
Sugerbums wrinkled kesta for an hour or so and that should not only
clean her bung hole out nice and clean and also provide a tasty,
delicious and nutritious lunch for you queens. And make sure she keeps
up the weekly embalming treatments. We wouldn't want to see the old
prune face implode.
P.S. I am still trying to raise the bail money for you honeys on felony
charges of molesting a dog. Please don't get upset! I promise to get
you ladies out in time for your date with Rex.
Bona Petite Fairies!!!!!