SRF Walrus is a fraud
Fraud Watch
posting under a ton of different names/aliases. SRF Walrus = Raja Begum =
Rigiditananda = Should Free = Aum Boy = all the other fools. Talk about
narcissism! "They" (He) think so highly of themselves that they think Mother
Center is monitoring "them". Please! Give MC some credit. Like they didn't
figure out within the space of a second that it was all a one-man show.
Everybody else did.
george
SRF member, I'm concerned about what's going on. I think the site is genuine and
every SRF member should check it out and decide for him or herself. I don't for a
minute buy what Fraud Watch is trying to do. Check it out at
http://pub78.ezboard.com/bsrfwalrus
George
Stoltz
> Actually, I've found the site to be very informative, although disturbing. As an
> SRF member, I'm concerned about what's going on. I think the site is genuine and
> every SRF member should check it out and decide for him or herself. I don't for a
> minute buy what Fraud Watch is trying to do. Check it out at
> http://pub78.ezboard.com/bsrfwalrus
>
> George
I have had a lot of bad experiences with group politics, and I tend to
be suspicious of organized religion and adamantly resent people who
use organizational politics to control people. However, I applaud
people who join any organized religion in a geniune attempt to better
themselves with no other alterior motives. With that being said, I'd
have to say that I had mixed emotions about the site. On one hand,
attempting to expose manipulative people is laudable, and anyone who
is deeply offended when this is done within their own religion is
shallow and closed minded. On the other hand, I thought the site was
preoccupied with the politcal aspects of SRF. To me, the SRF
teachings have a completely different side to them then that. That
side, as all members in good standing should know - concerns itself
with the individual
aspect of the guru-disciple relationship. Part of the aims and ideals
of SRF
(that Kriyaban members such as myself vow to exemplify), concern
themselves with the idea that SRF teaches that God is knowable at the
individual level.
The way God reveals Himself to members of SRF is via the channel of
the guru.
I experience the guru's presence in my life, and that is the ONLY
reason why
I remain a member of SRF. I don't deny that there might be shallow
politically motivated people within SRF - perhaps even at the top
levels - but those people
are insignificant to me, because it isn't about them, it is about the
guru.
Stoltz
George45udy
I found your message puzzling. You conclude by saying, "I don't deny that there might be
shallow politically motivated people within SRF - perhaps even at the top
levels - but those people are insignificant to me, because it isn't about them, it is
about the guru."
Does that then mean that the sufferings which may have been caused by these people (the
leaders) are also insignificant to you? I thought that we were supposed to feel for
others. It sounds as though you are saying, "Well, I'm all right, Jack, and I couldn't
give a damn about anyone else as long as I can practice my kriyas and be with the guru."
Please correct me if I am wrong (and I really, really hope I am). I hope you do care
about the sufferings of others. Are you happy knowing that a nun had to leave the ashram
and end up in a homeless shelter because all SRF would give her when she left after
years of selfless service was $400 (despite the fact that she gave a dowry when she
entered of $30,000)? Is that insignificant to you? Surely your heart can feel the pain.
If you can feel the pain, don't you think you might have an obligation as a disciple of
Master to help end the suffering of others?
When Sri Yukteswar asked Master why he was averse to organizational work, and later when
Babaji asked him to go to the West, Master could have said, "Well, it's all about my
relationship to the guru, and those other folks are insignificant to me." When Master
went back to India in 1935, he was sorely tempted to remain there and wander by the
Ganges. "I've got my guru, I don't need to worry about those insignificant Westerers
anymore," he could have said.
Just think about that: there would have been no Autobiography, no SRF, no Lessons...no
kriya and guru for Stoltz.
You mention the Aims and Ideals of SRF and the idea of teaching that God is knowable.
Certainly. But those same ideals also say something at the end: "To overcome evil by
good, sorrow by joy, cruelty by kindness, ignorance by wisdom."
That's what this is all about, my dear friend.
I very much want to talk this over with you, Stoltz. Thank you for listening to me.
Your friend in Master,
George
Stamp
What's with your zoo mentality? I am truely puzzeled.
Stamp
In article <3C3D4ED0...@telnet.net>, George45udy says...
Stoltz
Quite an interesting post George, not what I expected you might say.
Is the story about the nun true (i.e. can you substantiate it) or is
it just a rumor you heard ? If it was true, it does seem to be cruel
treatment, and yes -it does seem as if I have some responsibility to
do something about it.
Though I generally agree with the SRF ideal of "To overcome evil by
good, sorrow by joy, cruelty by kindness, ignorance by wisdom",
sometimes the best "good" you can do to an evildoer is to kick their
ass and take their name later. I know that appears to be the
sentiment of a true hard ass, but; sometimes, "shoving an evil doer's
face in the dirt" - may just be an act of sympathy - i.e. you're
giving the evil doer the chance to reap their justly deserved karma.
You can perform such an action lovingly and without karmic attachment.
Take for example the death penalty. So many people are up in arms
about how cruel it is. So what of it ? So long as the guy is guilty
of murder, chances are that he'd have to experience death in this life
or the next as his just karmic reward for the murder he committed - so
all you'd do by killing him was to speed him through his karma and
help him avoid a life in prison.
Sorry for the digression, but - do I feel sympathy, yes. But my style
of dealing with people involved in unjust political games (and people
in general) is aparently not something that the climate at SRF Mother
center can weather right now. At one point, I did feel as if Master
wanted me to join the order - and I did write a controversial letter
to Mother Center suggesting the possiblity. But the letter was never
answered. Maybe it was because I set up an interview with one of the
monastics during convocation one year to discuss the idea, but walked
out shortly thereafter in disgust. I was not upset at the monk
personally, just at what he said. I asked him if I joined the order,
would I have to obey the SPIRITUAL direction of superior monastics and
he told me that I would have to. So, I asked him what is the purpose
of having a guru then ... etc. etc. And he spoke to me about the guru
delegating certain responsibilities to higher monastics, etc. etc.
So George, I tried to "fight city hall" , so to speak. But, I never
pressed on with that route; because, quite frankly I rather like the
relationship I have
with the guru and I don't want someone else standing in between it.
Though I respect Master as "being above me" in His role as my guru, I
also regard Master as my best friend. Me and Master are buddies. For
me, being a monastic would almost be like being married to a beautiful
woman and then being told that I'd have to have a lawyer come in to
mediate our sex relationship. And George, that's just plain ass not
cool. Actually, SRF Mother center lucked out too in that case -
otherwise they'd have to deal with me - the "Darth Vader" of our
religion.
I can't quite say, however, that I am against SRF Mother Center or SRF
in general. After all, if it weren't for their help I wouldn't have
met the Master ....
Stoltz
george
Stoltz wrote:
> Quite an interesting post George, not what I expected you might say.
> Is the story about the nun true (i.e. can you substantiate it) or is
> it just a rumor you heard ? If it was true, it does seem to be cruel
> treatment, and yes -it does seem as if I have some responsibility to
> do something about it.
No, I can't verify the story, but I suspect it's true. There are so many similar stories
listed on that site.
> At one point, I did feel as if Master
> wanted me to join the order - and I did write a controversial letter
> to Mother Center suggesting the possiblity. But the letter was never
> answered.
Seems that many others have had the same experience with not receiving answers to their
letters.
> So George, I tried to "fight city hall" , so to speak. But, I never
> pressed on with that route; because, quite frankly I rather like the
> relationship I have
> with the guru and I don't want someone else standing in between it.
>
> Though I respect Master as "being above me" in His role as my guru, I
> also regard Master as my best friend. Me and Master are buddies. For
> me, being a monastic would almost be like being married to a beautiful
> woman and then being told that I'd have to have a lawyer come in to
> mediate our sex relationship. And George, that's just plain ass not
> cool. Actually, SRF Mother center lucked out too in that case -
> otherwise they'd have to deal with me - the "Darth Vader" of our
> religion.
>
I like your attitude of being one-on-one with the guru. Great stuff!
> I can't quite say, however, that I am against SRF Mother Center or SRF
> in general. After all, if it weren't for their help I wouldn't have
> met the Master ....
That's what makes this so difficult. Nobody wants to hurt SRF, but it seems many people have
been hurt by the organization. Was it "intentional?" It may not have been, but people have
been badly hurt, nonetheless...and it has be dealt with.
I appreciate your response.
To "Stamp": I have no idea about what you mean by "zoo mentality." Perhaps you can explain and
then I can respond and you won't be so puzzeled.
george
Stoltz wrote:
> Quite an interesting post George, not what I expected you might say.
> Is the story about the nun true (i.e. can you substantiate it) or is
> it just a rumor you heard ? If it was true, it does seem to be cruel
> treatment, and yes -it does seem as if I have some responsibility to
> do something about it.
No, I can't verify the story, but I suspect it's true. There are so many
similar stories listed on that site.
> At one point, I did feel as if Master
> wanted me to join the order - and I did write a controversial letter
> to Mother Center suggesting the possiblity. But the letter was never
> answered.
Seems that many others have had the same experience with not receiving
answers to their letters.
> So George, I tried to "fight city hall" , so to speak. But, I never
> pressed on with that route; because, quite frankly I rather like the
> relationship I have
> with the guru and I don't want someone else standing in between it.
>
> Though I respect Master as "being above me" in His role as my guru, I
> also regard Master as my best friend. Me and Master are buddies. For
> me, being a monastic would almost be like being married to a beautiful
> woman and then being told that I'd have to have a lawyer come in to
> mediate our sex relationship. And George, that's just plain ass not
> cool. Actually, SRF Mother center lucked out too in that case -
> otherwise they'd have to deal with me - the "Darth Vader" of our
> religion.
>
I like your attitude of being one-on-one with the guru. Great stuff!
> I can't quite say, however, that I am against SRF Mother Center or SRF
> in general. After all, if it weren't for their help I wouldn't have
> met the Master ....
That's what makes this so difficult. Nobody wants to hurt SRF, but it
