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|-|erc

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Oct 19, 2003, 7:18:19 PM10/19/03
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I checked hotscripts and there's some PHP code for doing a banner swapping site,
I have a GREAT domain not in use KwikAds.com which could be a major player
in this niche field, but I prefer turnkey businesses so any developer who wants to
set up a site I will direct the name to the host then we can split the profits.

the main idea is people copy some custom HTML off the site (this should be all taken
care of by the script) then you offer say 3 banner displays for every 4 banners a
subscriber displays, that leaves 1 in 4 banner displays for KwikAds.com, at first these
will be KwikAds banners to get more business, then when it saturates say at
a million displays a day, leave 1/8 for the KwikAds banner and 1/8 for our
own banners or affiliate banners that earn us money. So there's no need to manage
accounts, we each get paid directly by the affiliate programs, so 1/16 of banners
displayed would have your referall id and 1/16 would be mine. I assume that's
how they make money. could go 3 ways if a third person does the graphics

kwikads is almost the *next* name for flyinads.com which surged into popularity, but
they use popups onunload, probably work faster but standard banners are less
controversial, half of people are running popup killers.

Herc

Charles Sweeney

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Oct 19, 2003, 7:28:32 PM10/19/03
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"|-|erc" <usemyon...@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote in message
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> I have a GREAT domain not in use KwikAds.com

That's a matter of opinion. In my opinion it's certainly not a great name.
If I told someone that over the phone, they would type in "quickads.com".
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Charles Sweeney
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|-|erc

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Oct 19, 2003, 8:11:11 PM10/19/03
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"Charles Sweeney" <m...@charlessweeney.com> wrote
> "|-|erc" <usemyon...@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote

>
> > I have a GREAT domain not in use KwikAds.com
>
> That's a matter of opinion. In my opinion it's certainly not a great name.
> If I told someone that over the phone, they would type in "quickads.com".

still kwikads is brandable, quickads is quap, noones calling on the phone,
and in a forum you'd be blasted for killing my sales thread.

Herc

David - CeleriHost.com

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Oct 19, 2003, 9:21:14 PM10/19/03
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|-|erc wrote:
> I checked hotscripts and there's some PHP code for doing a banner
> swapping site,
> I have a GREAT domain not in use KwikAds.com which could be a major
> player
> in this niche field, but I prefer turnkey businesses so any developer
> who wants to
> set up a site I will direct the name to the host then we can split
> the profits.
<snip>
> Herc

Ouch... asking for half the profits just for having registered that domain?
Developers frequently get "rivetted" in partnerships.

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|-|erc

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Oct 19, 2003, 11:01:11 PM10/19/03
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"David - CeleriHost.com" <da...@celerihost.com> wrote

> |-|erc wrote:
> > I checked hotscripts and there's some PHP code for doing a banner
> > swapping site,
> > I have a GREAT domain not in use KwikAds.com which could be a major
> > player
> > in this niche field, but I prefer turnkey businesses so any developer
> > who wants to
> > set up a site I will direct the name to the host then we can split
> > the profits.
> <snip>
> > Herc
>
> Ouch... asking for half the profits just for having registered that domain?
> Developers frequently get "rivetted" in partnerships.

You want the majority ownership of KwiKAds.CoM for a couple days programming?
I guess webhosting is a cost but that's only half a magnitude more cost than the rego fee,
most of you have free accounts anyway. I'd offer to provide the hosting but then
I only offered the deal because I can see it as an easy setup for mutual gains, if banner exchance
company can't coordinate a few contributers then its not the business for them.

the PHP sits on your site, I'm the one who has to trust that I'm getting equal of my
affiliate banners displayed, the only thing I have to gain from duping the partner is copying the
layout
you use and later programming it myself. I'm flexible, you can have a 10 year written
contract that the name stays with the site. There's 1000s of competitors to the name kwikads.com
but imo it rates close to ads.com, which is up for $100,000 if you want to use that!

Its a simple deal, you hold the cards, you can get the site up this week, or if I'll toil away with
it
along with stealthhosting, galshop, r-i-n-g and my others and have it running next year.

So the developer owns the software, its in my interest to keep it turnkey and having a second
support person frees me, and you just have to implement basic functionality I can do the layout
unless someone here has some fantastic graphics to show.

check http://shop.pacsun.com uses a flash menu but very nice

You have a lot to gain, flyinads.com is an overnight high alexa listed site, names like
advancedportal.com are up and running, the business promotes itself.

Herc
email staff at b2sites.com for enquiries, well you know the address


Heidi

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Oct 19, 2003, 11:45:27 PM10/19/03
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Charging up on a white horse |-|erc said:
: You have a lot to gain, flyinads.com is an overnight high alexa
: listed site,

Flyinads is a nuisance that should be nuked. Sure they may
have a high rating but IMO the product and the site s*ck.

I do not use them and ban any site that does use them.

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Heidi
PaidToReads: http://www.paidtoreads.com/
Recommended Hosting: http://www.page-zone.com/


|-|erc

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Oct 20, 2003, 3:06:11 AM10/20/03
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"Heidi" <blac...@zwallet.com> wrote in

> Charging up on a white horse |-|erc said:
> : You have a lot to gain, flyinads.com is an overnight high alexa
> : listed site,
>
> Flyinads is a nuisance that should be nuked. Sure they may
> have a high rating but IMO the product and the site s*ck.
>
> I do not use them and ban any site that does use them.
>

I know, depends where you go but if you end up in a lot of free hosting
sites every second site has popups anyway, some take a minute to load
some are ok... the reviews on flyinads.com are mixed I don't like seeing them
after the 1st few, especially as most are just 'sign up for flyinads' and not
an actual ad. Add to that eh eh that its a 1 in 10 display, every 10 ads your
site shows you get 1 ad shown for you. Its only practical if lots of people
sign up under your popup.

But people use flyinads.com kwikads.com is the logical replacement and you
could cut the pyramid part and just diplay 3:4 or something. Pop ups 'spread'
faster and we'd be in a niche with only a couple competitors rather than hundreds
of banner exchange programs, kwikads means a popup (quick advert) more literally
than exhange banner.... so .... who wants to help me polute cyberspace and
get a kick ass 10,000 alexa site? just checked 4,794 was in top 1,000, close
to a million uniques a day, probably 10 million ad views a day!

Put it this way, it kuts down on banners!

Herc

TechnoHippie

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Oct 20, 2003, 3:30:36 AM10/20/03
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In article <vp6e4od...@corp.supernews.com>, da...@celerihost.com
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> Ouch... asking for half the profits just for having registered that domain?
> Developers frequently get "rivetted" in partnerships.

Half for a developed site with quantifiable traffic/sales would be good.
Residual income for the life of the site instead of a quick cashout.
[defers taxes and can be REALLY good if the site improves its
performance]

Buyout should be an option at some point down the road. Time is
relative.

Judy

David - CeleriHost.com

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Oct 20, 2003, 5:59:00 AM10/20/03
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Good points--but the question to ask of any potential partner is, "What will
you be doing for your half?" And, of course, the unspoken question is--is
that worth half? Or can I do that part myself with minimal effort?

Of course, I've had very bad experiences with partners. ;-)

TechnoHippie

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Oct 20, 2003, 11:57:27 AM10/20/03
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In article <vp7cfep...@corp.supernews.com>, da...@celerihost.com
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I can relate :-)

Judy

Dylan Parry

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Oct 20, 2003, 12:02:07 PM10/20/03
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Sitting in an ivory tower, TechnoHippie wrote:

>> Of course, I've had very bad experiences with partners. ;-)
>
> I can relate :-)

That's what partners are for. Be it business partner or significant other,
they both exist to screw you out of all your money and leave you feeling
sore and used ;o)

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Charles Sweeney

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Oct 20, 2003, 8:05:47 PM10/20/03
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"|-|erc" <usemyon...@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote in message
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> and in a forum you'd be blasted for killing my sales thread.

Just as well we're not in a forum then. In usenet, "sales threads" are
usually called "spam".

Good luck anyway.
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Charles Sweeney

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Oct 20, 2003, 8:06:43 PM10/20/03
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"|-|erc" <usemyon...@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote in message
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> You want the majority ownership of KwiKAds.CoM for a couple days
programming?

It's about 100 times its value.
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|-|erc

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Oct 21, 2003, 2:58:14 AM10/21/03
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"Charles Sweeney" <m...@charlessweeney.com> wrote

> "|-|erc" <usemyon...@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote in
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> > and in a forum you'd be blasted for killing my sales thread.
>
> Just as well we're not in a forum then. In usenet, "sales threads" are
> usually called "spam".
>
> Good luck anyway.

thanks, what do you think of thebanner.net ?

pretty good for a 'the' name being an actual network of subscribers, thewatch.com sold
for $600 a few months back to a store owner no less.

Herc

Charles Sweeney

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Oct 21, 2003, 7:28:10 AM10/21/03
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"|-|erc" <usemyon...@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote in message
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> thanks, what do you think of thebanner.net ?

Not bad.
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|-|erc

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Oct 21, 2003, 6:17:06 PM10/21/03
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"Charles Sweeney" <m...@charlessweeney.com> wrote

> "|-|erc" <usemyon...@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote in
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> > thanks, what do you think of thebanner.net ?
>
> Not bad.


Current Auctions
Domain Name Current Price My Max Bid # of Bids Close Date (GMT) Time Left
thebanner.net $60.00 2 2003-10-24 16:05:00 2d 18h 16m Bid Now

2 days left in the auction, only a handful of bidders allowed, I'm one!
thebanner.net be good for a banner exchange, kwikads should work for
a onexit popup like flyinads,

anyone want it, probably go for under $500 let me know. you'd be virtually
guaranteed of upwards 100,000 subscribers all marketed itself, guess I have
to opt for a spotters fee, maybe some banner space for kwikads!

Herc

TechnoHippie

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Oct 21, 2003, 11:50:46 PM10/21/03
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In article <pan.2003.10.20....@dylanparry.com>, use...@dylanparry.com says...

> Sitting in an ivory tower, TechnoHippie wrote:
>
> >> Of course, I've had very bad experiences with partners. ;-)
> >
> > I can relate :-)
>
> That's what partners are for. Be it business partner or significant other,
> they both exist to screw you out of all your money and leave you feeling
> sore and used ;o)


You're too young to be bitter, Dylan :-)

Judy

|-|erc

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Oct 24, 2003, 5:34:37 PM10/24/03
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"|-|erc" <usemyon...@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote

> "Charles Sweeney" <m...@charlessweeney.com> wrote
> > "|-|erc" <usemyon...@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote in
> >
> > > thanks, what do you think of thebanner.net ?
> >
> > Not bad.
>
>
> Current Auctions
> Domain Name Current Price My Max Bid # of Bids Close Date (GMT) Time Left
> thebanner.net $60.00 2 2003-10-24 16:05:00 2d 18h 16m Bid Now
>
> 2 days left in the auction, only a handful of bidders allowed, I'm one!
> thebanner.net be good for a banner exchange, kwikads should work for


Oh Yeah, wins the auction for TheBanner.net. I was lucky the other bidder had
a $90,000,000 reserve so I lost the auction, then a minute later it changed to
me as the winner! Same offer up for any developers, you host the banner exchange
site, I hold on to the domain. Free-banners.com has 300,000 sites signed up
so they claim, TheBanner.net could fire up.....

Let me know if interested, sooner its off the ground the better, also the revenue could
come from pay for impressions instead of our own banners.... that's the programmers
job though! With 1/4 of impressions available I might just use banners for my own sites.
Make any site a success with a million free ads a day!

Herc

Charles Sweeney

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Oct 24, 2003, 6:22:09 PM10/24/03
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A little bit spammy |-|erc?
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|-|erc

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Oct 24, 2003, 11:20:11 PM10/24/03
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perhaps, I was wrapped after staying up till 2am for the auction, luckily Rocky IV
was on till 1:30... but its actually a programmer offer which is covered in the faq, not a sale,
I'm offering revenue, anyway being a Saturday I can't top up my credit card and I lose it in
another 12 hours, sigh!

Herc

Charles Sweeney

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Oct 26, 2003, 7:58:01 PM10/26/03
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"|-|erc" <usemyon...@wwwadamskingdom.com> wrote in message
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> I'm offering revenue, anyway being a Saturday I can't top up my credit
card and I lose it in
> another 12 hours, sigh!

You want to get yourself online banking, or change cards!
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Charles Sweeney
www.CharlesSweeney.com


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