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acdouglas

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Jul 12, 2001, 2:39:14 AM7/12/01
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"What if fifteen years ago someone had suggested a nationwide network of
gigantic bookshops, carrying about 150,000 titles each, staying open until
11:00 P.M. or midnight, and offering cafés, comfortable chairs, and public
restrooms? And what if these sumptuous emporia were to be found not only in
the great urban centers but also in small cities and suburbs all across the
country-places like Plano, Texas; Knoxville, Tennessee; and Mesa, Arizona?
Wouldn't we have thought that sounded like pure, if unattainable, heaven?
Well, that is what the superstore chains-Barnes & Noble; Borders; and
Books-A-Million, based in Birmingham, Alabama-have brought us. Why, then, the
chorus of disapproval from the cultural elite? Why the characterization,
spread by a vocal group of critics, of the chain bookstores as a sort of
intellectual McDonald's, a symbol of the dumbing-down and standardization of
American life?"

Full article is at:
http://www.theatlantic.com/cgi-bin/o/issues/2001/07/allen.htm

--
ACD
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Helen Dudley Bates

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Jul 12, 2001, 2:56:10 AM7/12/01
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ACDouglas wrote:
>Why the characterization,
>spread by a vocal group of critics, of the chain bookstores as a sort of
>intellectual McDonald's, a symbol of the dumbing-down and standardization of
>American life?"

huh?

; )
- Helen

http://www.dudleybates.com

acdouglas

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"Helen Dudley Bates" <sisdudl...@aol.common> wrote:

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What is it you don't understand?

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JoeSykes

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acdouglas <acdo...@monmouth.com> wrote in message
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>What is it you don't understand?

"Huh", see? "A symbol of the dumbing-down and
standardization of American life?" As opposed to
the terminally dumbed standard of your American
dream.

--
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Mike Scirocco

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Jul 12, 2001, 4:10:25 AM7/12/01
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Good Article,

Brooke Allen's research is good enough for me, and in line with my
experience.

Bob Sloan

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Jul 12, 2001, 8:10:52 AM7/12/01
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acdouglas wrote:

> Why, then, the
> chorus of disapproval from the cultural elite? Why the characterization,
> spread by a vocal group of critics, of the chain bookstores as a sort of
> intellectual McDonald's, a symbol of the dumbing-down and standardization of
> American life?"
>
> Full article is at:
> http://www.theatlantic.com/cgi-bin/o/issues/2001/07/allen.htm

My town's small enough we don't have any of the big chains nearer than
sixty miles. In the mall out by the interstate an "On Cue" sells books
and CDS, but in Morehead KY "bookstore" means "Coffee Tree Books."
Since one of the owners told me, some years back, that their biggest
competition was Joseph-Beth bookstore in Lexington, I haven't bought a
single book there, and my only experience with Barnes and Noble or
Books-a-Million has been going inside a couple of their stores to look
around..

Coffee Tree is like a number of other independent bookstores I remember
from the years I was bouncing from city to city as a member of Uncle
Sugar's Steel Yachting and Carousing Society, small shops in New Orleans
and San Francisco, Philadelphia and San Diego.

I know the owners and the clerks, and they know me. They know what I
like to read and will sometimes hold a copy of a book out of stock to
see if I want it. If I know of a new magazine that might sufficiently
interest townspeople to make having it on the shelf --"No Depression"
comes to mind-- they don't do a survey or wait to see what happens to
the magazine at other stores, they tell Ingram to bring it.

The people at Coffee Tree follow my limited successes as "a writer" as
closely as my own family, and at least once a year they have a big "mass
signing" for local and regional writers. They don't do it to make
money. According to one of the owners, they actually lose money every
time they do it because they host a lunch for the writers ahead of the
signing. But they like "writers," and so they spend a few bucks now and
then to get a slew of us together in one place.

The owners of Coffee Tree --retired university professors native to this
area-- are not in the book business because the franchise deal looked
good, they sell books because they truly love them. They don't stock
250,000 volumes, but if I want something that's not on their shelves
they can have it for me in three days, max. I can wait three days for
pretty much anything.

The difference between Coffee Tree Books and one of the chains is the
difference between a good local restaurant with a genuine connection to
the community and an Outback.

It's a profound difference, one I personally appreciate.

Maybe it's lost, in this age of McEverything, on most people.
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acdouglas

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Jul 12, 2001, 10:42:21 AM7/12/01
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"Bob Sloan" <rls...@mindspring.com> wrote:

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There is nothing in the business model of the book superstore that prohibits
or mitigates against providing all the niceties that you so value in the
Mom-and-Pop bookstore. If a significant number of customers demand those
niceties, then they will be provided. That's good business, and good business
generally produces, all other things being equal, good profits, which is what
the stockholders of those monster booksellers look for.

--
ACD
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Bob Sloan

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acdouglas wrote:
>
> "Bob Sloan" <rls...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >[snipped - original post is below]
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> There is nothing in the business model of the book superstore that prohibits
> or mitigates against providing all the niceties that you so value in the
> Mom-and-Pop bookstore. If a significant number of customers demand those
> niceties, then they will be provided. That's good business, and good business
> generally produces, all other things being equal, good profits, which is what
> the stockholders of those monster booksellers look for.

Apparently though, "a significant number of customers" are satisfied
with the monster booksellers, just like "a significant number of
customers" are satisfied with McEverythingElse.

Me, I prefer real food to cardboard, and will patronize a bookstore run
by real people as long it's an alternative.

rktectcdm

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"acdouglas" copy and pasted the beginning of an Atlantic Monthly
article...

Always challenge preconceptions! That is what my wife and I learned
after she had a book published by a small press seven months ago.
Until that point, we both held onto prejudices favoring independent
bookstores over the chains such as Barnes & Noble and Borders.
However, since the book was published seven months ago, the large
chains have been completely helpful and solicitous, while the
independent bookstores have been a mixed bag--some very encouraging
and supportive (read: decent shelf placement and supportive
booksignings held), while others have been condescending and rude (as
in: won't return phone calls, won't schedule booksignings, and
definitely won't reconsider their precious shelving system.) We have
found that the differences in author treatment between independents
have been based on the size of the city. The independent bookstores in
smaller towns with populations up to about 200,000 have all been very
supportive in considering booksignings, while the larger city
bookstores cannot be reached via telephone, and then won't ever return
messages. Our home city of 2 million population has a nationally-known
independent bookstore. My wife has left probably eight messages to
their buyers and booksigning schedulers. No response. Ironic that a
local suburban Barnes & Noble has been the most supportive bookstore
so far, while she can't even get her foot in the door with our
hometown bookstore! After a little of this treatment, those cherished
elitist preconceptions favoring independents over the chains come
tumbling down...

rktectcdm
http://www.namingthewinds.com

gekko

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the <3B4D93CC...@mindspring.com> when in misc.writing they said:</attrib>

>acdouglas wrote:
>
>> Why, then, the
>> chorus of disapproval from the cultural elite? Why the characterization,
>> spread by a vocal group of critics, of the chain bookstores as a sort of
>> intellectual McDonald's, a symbol of the dumbing-down and standardization of
>> American life?"
>>
>> Full article is at:
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/cgi-bin/o/issues/2001/07/allen.htm
>
>My town's small enough we don't have any of the big chains nearer than
>sixty miles. In the mall out by the interstate an "On Cue" sells books
>and CDS, but in Morehead KY "bookstore" means "Coffee Tree Books."
>Since one of the owners told me, some years back, that their biggest
>competition was Joseph-Beth bookstore in Lexington, I haven't bought a
>single book there, and my only experience with Barnes and Noble or
>Books-a-Million has been going inside a couple of their stores to look
>around..

We had a handful of small, independent, warm-and-fuzzy bookstores
that specialized in new and used books. Shelved together, with
the used copies marked by colored stickers to indicate their
price range (the older and more worn, the cheaper).

One of them survived and is doing very well, but they did it by
competing directly with the big chains and offering the *same*
services. They moved to larger digs, right next to a shop that
specializes in fresh-baked goods and opened a doorway between
them. They set aside shelves and tables to put gew-gaws and
bookish trinkets on -- calendars, bookmarks, little bitty lights,
covers, new-agey stuff, sealing wax and seals, wooden toys.

They offer above-and-beyond what the chains offer, though, in that
you can walk in and find those no-longer-in-print used books, or
cheaper, used copies of still-in-print books.

Bravo to Changing Hands Bookstore, then.


>
>Coffee Tree is like a number of other independent bookstores I remember
>from the years I was bouncing from city to city as a member of Uncle
>Sugar's Steel Yachting and Carousing Society, small shops in New Orleans
>and San Francisco, Philadelphia and San Diego.

We had one in Prescott, where I spent some of my formative years,
called The Bookworm. It's still there. Tiny, darkish, good-smelling.
I spent many long hours in that store. It's kind of an icon, in
that it is in the historic district of downtown Prescott, and is one
of the oldest merchants on that street (Whiskey Row) ... younger
only than The Palace Hotel and The Palace Bar.

Used to be next-door to a general store-type merchant called
Sam Hills. I spent many long hours in Sam Hills, too, looking
at stuff.


>The difference between Coffee Tree Books and one of the chains is the
>difference between a good local restaurant with a genuine connection to
>the community and an Outback.

Thanks for the story, Bob.


But I don't begrudge the big chains, either. I'll tell you what,
though. I went to one of those big chains in search of that Fowler's
that the Brits have all been yattering about. Didn't carry it.
I ended up purchasing it from Amazon.

The Bookworm would have ordered it for me, though. The chain didn't
even offer.


--
gekko

I don't like spinach, and I'm glad I don't, because if I liked it I'd
eat it, and I just hate it. -- Clarence Darrow

Hippolyte Lizard

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>
> Used to be next-door to a general store-type merchant called
> Sam Hills. I spent many long hours in Sam Hills, too, looking
> at stuff.

And when you couldn't find it, you said, "Where in the Sam Hills is
that stuff anyway?"

hl

acdouglas

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Jul 12, 2001, 9:57:06 PM7/12/01
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"Bob Sloan" <rls...@mindspring.com> wrote:

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>Apparently though, "a significant number of customers" are satisfied
>with the monster booksellers, just like "a significant number of
>customers" are satisfied with McEverythingElse

---------------------------------------------------------

What else is new.

The fault does not lie with the monster booksellers, or their business model,
but with the reading public.

--
ACD
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Helen Dudley Bates

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JoeSykes <jo...@kesisarem.fsnet.co.uk > wrote:
>
>
>acdouglas <acdo...@monmouth.com> wrote in message
>news:9iji2s$efp$1...@news.monmouth.com...
>
>>What is it you don't understand?
>
>"Huh", see? "A symbol of the dumbing-down and
>standardization of American life?" As opposed to
>the terminally dumbed standard of your American
>dream.

My point exactly, thank you.


- Helen

http://www.dudleybates.com

E. Pluribus Throckmorton

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JoeSykes <jo...@kesisarem.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> acdouglas <acdo...@monmouth.com> wrote in message
> news:9iji2s$efp$1...@news.monmouth.com...
>
> >What is it you don't understand?
>
> "Huh", see? "A symbol of the dumbing-down and
> standardization of American life?" As opposed to
> the terminally dumbed standard of your American
> dream.
>
Oh, like there's some intellectually redeeming quality
to sipping lukewarm tea and posting ascii art of one's
bottom for the whole internet to see.

America's not like that, poofter. It's all about
throbbing V8 engines, sticky black rubber tires on hot
asphalt, sweaty chrome, and freckled bosoms heaving
against a gingham halter top.

America's a place where you lay her down on the quarter
mile, open up the butterflies, and ease off the pedal
till the clutch grabs a hold.

Frickin Englishmen! think they invented culture.

Everyone know that was the French.

-E

JoeSykes

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E. Pluribus Throckmorton <biff...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Oh, like there's some intellectually redeeming quality
> to sipping lukewarm tea and posting ascii art of one's
> bottom for the whole internet to see.
>
> America's not like that, poofter. It's all about
> throbbing V8 engines, sticky black rubber tires on hot
> asphalt, sweaty chrome, and freckled bosoms heaving
> against a gingham halter top.
>
> America's a place where you lay her down on the quarter
> mile, open up the butterflies, and ease off the pedal
> till the clutch grabs a hold.
>
> Frickin Englishmen! think they invented culture.
>
> Everyone know that was the French.

A veritable circus of Siphonaptera in my ear. You forgot
warm beer, by the way, and we're actually "poofs". It's
Australians that are "poofters". I liked "sweaty chrome" I
must say, but I was disappointed by "rubber", as one so
often can be.

xyy...@cotse.com

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>The Bookworm would have ordered
>it for me, though. The chain didn't
> even offer.


Perhaps they knew that Fowler's would be way beyond your self-confessed
"fourth-grade" reading abilities:


Subject: Re: I'm a spanker look at me
Date: 10/22/2000
Author: nancy <na...@gekkografx.com>

>yes, you all want to be glen
>wall. we all do. even me.
>only since i cannot read
>beyond a fourth-grade level,
>things're rather hopeless
>for me.
--
n

Anopheles

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"JoeSykes" wrote:

> E. Pluribus Throckmorton <biff...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:tkt2lu2...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > Oh, like there's some intellectually redeeming quality
> > to sipping lukewarm tea and posting ascii art of one's
> > bottom for the whole internet to see.
> >
> > America's not like that, poofter. It's all about
> > throbbing V8 engines, sticky black rubber tires on hot
> > asphalt, sweaty chrome, and freckled bosoms heaving
> > against a gingham halter top.
> >
> > America's a place where you lay her down on the quarter
> > mile, open up the butterflies, and ease off the pedal
> > till the clutch grabs a hold.
> >
> > Frickin Englishmen! think they invented culture.
> >
> > Everyone know that was the French.
>
> A veritable circus of Siphonaptera in my ear. You forgot
> warm beer, by the way, and we're actually "poofs".

Thank's for being brave enought to admit it. Now work on Andy for his
epithany, please.

>It's Australians that are "poofters".

And we've had some celebrated ones as well. Helpmann was well in the club
and it took marriage to Liza Minnelli before Peter Alan came out. Anyway,
the erst of them are mostly "up north" -- Sydney way. I blame it on all that
rugby and bum sniffing.

>I liked "sweaty chrome" I must say, but I was disappointed by "rubber", as
one so
> often can be.

Particularly when the bloody things break and you end up paying for it for
life. My problem is the way I stretch the damn things so much. I guess with
you, they just fall off. Right?

Anopheles

Dr Zen

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Anopheles <hi...@jeack.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "JoeSykes" wrote:
>
> > E. Pluribus Throckmorton <biff...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:tkt2lu2...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > > Oh, like there's some intellectually redeeming quality
> > > to sipping lukewarm tea and posting ascii art of one's
> > > bottom for the whole internet to see.
> > >
> > > America's not like that, poofter. It's all about
> > > throbbing V8 engines, sticky black rubber tires on hot
> > > asphalt, sweaty chrome, and freckled bosoms heaving
> > > against a gingham halter top.
> > >
> > > America's a place where you lay her down on the quarter
> > > mile, open up the butterflies, and ease off the pedal
> > > till the clutch grabs a hold.
> > >
> > > Frickin Englishmen! think they invented culture.
> > >
> > > Everyone know that was the French.
> >
> > A veritable circus of Siphonaptera in my ear. You forgot
> > warm beer, by the way, and we're actually "poofs".
>
> Thank's for being brave enought to admit it. Now work on Andy for his
> epithany, please.

He's a Yank. That makes him a fruit, or something.

> >It's Australians that are "poofters".
>
> And we've had some celebrated ones as well.

Oh lord.

> Helpmann was well in the club
> and it took marriage to Liza Minnelli before Peter Alan came out. Anyway,
> the erst of them are mostly "up north" -- Sydney way. I blame it on all
that
> rugby and bum sniffing.

Yeah right. There's absolutely nothing dodgy about putting on ultra-tight
shorts and having a pile-on.

> >I liked "sweaty chrome" I must say, but I was disappointed by "rubber",
as
> one so
> > often can be.
>
> Particularly when the bloody things break and you end up paying for it for
> life. My problem is the way I stretch the damn things so much. I guess
with
> you, they just fall off. Right?

Stop putting them on your head and try your cock.

Zen


JoeSykes

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Epithany? Is that, like, a revelatory manifestation
of a sudden aphorism?

Andy

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>
> "JoeSykes" wrote:
>
> > E. Pluribus Throckmorton <biff...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:tkt2lu2...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > > Oh, like there's some intellectually redeeming quality
> > > to sipping lukewarm tea and posting ascii art of one's
> > > bottom for the whole internet to see.
> > >
> > > America's not like that, poofter. It's all about
> > > throbbing V8 engines, sticky black rubber tires on hot
> > > asphalt, sweaty chrome, and freckled bosoms heaving
> > > against a gingham halter top.
> > >
> > > America's a place where you lay her down on the quarter
> > > mile, open up the butterflies, and ease off the pedal
> > > till the clutch grabs a hold.
> > >
> > > Frickin Englishmen! think they invented culture.
> > >
> > > Everyone know that was the French.
> >
> > A veritable circus of Siphonaptera in my ear. You forgot
> > warm beer, by the way, and we're actually "poofs".
>
> Thank's for being brave enought to admit it. Now work on Andy for his
> epithany, please.

My epithany is none of your business.


James Donaghy

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"JoeSykes" <jo...@kesisarem.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Epithany? Is that, like, a revelatory manifestation
> of a sudden aphorism?

Nah, she used to be in EastEnders.


Svein Olav Nyberg

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acdouglas <acdo...@monmouth.com> wrote:

> http://www.theatlantic.com/cgi-bin/o/issues/2001/07/allen.htm
> [...]


> Why the characterization, spread by a vocal group of critics, of the chain
> bookstores as a sort of intellectual McDonald's, a symbol of the
> dumbing-down and standardization of American life?"

Those critics are the intellectual equivalent of boys bands anyway, so
why care?

--
Svein Olav Nyberg
http://www.nonserviam.com/solan

They're, their, there - the Holy Trinity of American spelling.

Anopheles

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"Dr Zen" wrote:
>
> Anopheles <hi...@jeack.com.au> wrote in message
> news:9io184$k67s8$1...@ID-34438.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > "JoeSykes" wrote:
> >
> > > E. Pluribus Throckmorton <biff...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:tkt2lu2...@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > > Oh, like there's some intellectually redeeming quality
> > > > to sipping lukewarm tea and posting ascii art of one's
> > > > bottom for the whole internet to see.
> > > >
> > > > America's not like that, poofter. It's all about
> > > > throbbing V8 engines, sticky black rubber tires on hot
> > > > asphalt, sweaty chrome, and freckled bosoms heaving
> > > > against a gingham halter top.
> > > >
> > > > America's a place where you lay her down on the quarter
> > > > mile, open up the butterflies, and ease off the pedal
> > > > till the clutch grabs a hold.
> > > >
> > > > Frickin Englishmen! think they invented culture.
> > > >
> > > > Everyone know that was the French.
> > >
> > > A veritable circus of Siphonaptera in my ear. You forgot
> > > warm beer, by the way, and we're actually "poofs".
> >
> > Thank's for being brave enought to admit it. Now work on Andy for his
> > epithany, please.
>
> He's a Yank. That makes him a fruit, or something.

Whatever. He's delightful though.

>
> > >It's Australians that are "poofters".
> >
> > And we've had some celebrated ones as well.
>
> Oh lord.

Is that you, Jocko?

>
> > Helpmann was well in the club
> > and it took marriage to Liza Minnelli before Peter Alan came out.
Anyway,
> > the erst of them are mostly "up north" -- Sydney way. I blame it on all
> that
> > rugby and bum sniffing.
>
> Yeah right. There's absolutely nothing dodgy about putting on ultra-tight
> shorts and having a pile-on.

While we're on the subject, what other game gets women as horny? Now, asking
a Pom what gets women horny is like asking an Innuit what is the best board
to surf on but, I'll ask it because you have had time to naturalise. More
women go to Aussie Rules than any other sport that men play and don't think
that "putting on ultra-tight shorts and having a pile-on" doesn't have
something to do with it.

>
> > >I liked "sweaty chrome" I must say, but I was disappointed by "rubber",
> as
> > one so
> > > often can be.
> >
> > Particularly when the bloody things break and you end up paying for it
for
> > life. My problem is the way I stretch the damn things so much. I guess
> with
> > you, they just fall off. Right?
>
> Stop putting them on your head and try your cock.

Micropenis!

Anopheles

Anopheles

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"JoeSykes" wrote:
> Epithany? Is that, like, a revelatory manifestation
> of a sudden aphorism?

Gee! I thought it was what one did after a whip around.

Anopheles

Anopheles

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OK! OK! You guys are so touchy.

Anopheles

Dr Zen

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Anopheles <hi...@jeack.com.au> wrote in message
news:9iqeeh$k6csp$1...@ID-34438.news.dfncis.de...

> Anyway,
> > > the erst of them are mostly "up north" -- Sydney way. I blame it on
all
> > that
> > > rugby and bum sniffing.
> >
> > Yeah right. There's absolutely nothing dodgy about putting on
ultra-tight
> > shorts and having a pile-on.
>
> While we're on the subject, what other game gets women as horny?

Hello? Footballers with model girlfriends is a cliche. Soccer, we're talking
here.

> Now, asking
> a Pom what gets women horny is like asking an Innuit what is the best
board
> to surf on but, I'll ask it because you have had time to naturalise.

Who the fuck would want to get the troglodytes you try to pass off as women
horny?

> More
> women go to Aussie Rules than any other sport that men play and don't
think
> that "putting on ultra-tight shorts and having a pile-on" doesn't have
> something to do with it.

It's certainly why you go.

> > > >I liked "sweaty chrome" I must say, but I was disappointed by
"rubber",
> > as
> > > one so
> > > > often can be.
> > >
> > > Particularly when the bloody things break and you end up paying for it
> for
> > > life. My problem is the way I stretch the damn things so much. I guess
> > with
> > > you, they just fall off. Right?
> >
> > Stop putting them on your head and try your cock.
>
> Micropenis!

They have a small size for Jappers. Surely you could get them online?

Zen


Alan Hope

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Coming up next, your comments and questions on issues discussed in the
programme, like this one from James Donaghy, calling from alt.writing:

Fwoooaaar!

The old Square just hasn't been the same. She's been nearly two years
in the cold, cold ground and I'd still give her one, innit.

--
AH

Anopheles

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"Dr Zen" wrote:
>
> Anopheles <hi...@jeack.com.au> wrote in message
> news:9iqeeh$k6csp$1...@ID-34438.news.dfncis.de...
> > Anyway,
> > > > the erst of them are mostly "up north" -- Sydney way. I blame it on
> all
> > > that
> > > > rugby and bum sniffing.
> > >
> > > Yeah right. There's absolutely nothing dodgy about putting on
> ultra-tight
> > > shorts and having a pile-on.
> >
> > While we're on the subject, what other game gets women as horny?
>
> Hello? Footballers with model girlfriends is a cliche. Soccer, we're
talking
> here.

I guess that tells us what you know about "horny". Nominate one soccer
player with a "model" girlfriend who is also not paid heaps? Of course, the
dough has nothing to do with it, right? How does one soccer player with a
model for a girlfriend equal an 80,000 Aussie Rules crowd with about one
third women?
I guess being so isolated as you are, it must be hard to understand the
difference between soccer and Aussie Rules but try and hazard a guess here.
What percentage of a soccer crowd would be female? How do you think this
would compare with the real game?

>
> > Now, asking
> > a Pom what gets women horny is like asking an Innuit what is the best
> board
> > to surf on but, I'll ask it because you have had time to naturalise.
>
> Who the fuck would want to get the troglodytes you try to pass off as
women
> horny?

Bloody hell. One can almost feel the angst in those words. Trying to control
oneself while all those Aussie birds walk aroubnd in skimpy outfits must be
difficult, even for a Pom. But, we'll go along with it. I mean, Kylie and
Danni -- they're trogs, right? No Pom would be seen dead with either of
them. Of course not!

>
> > More
> > women go to Aussie Rules than any other sport that men play and don't
> think
> > that "putting on ultra-tight shorts and having a pile-on" doesn't have
> > something to do with it.
>
> It's certainly why you go.

Oh boy, a poofter joke. That really smarts.

>
> > > > >I liked "sweaty chrome" I must say, but I was disappointed by
> "rubber",
> > > as
> > > > one so
> > > > > often can be.
> > > >
> > > > Particularly when the bloody things break and you end up paying for
it
> > for
> > > > life. My problem is the way I stretch the damn things so much. I
guess
> > > with
> > > > you, they just fall off. Right?
> > >
> > > Stop putting them on your head and try your cock.
> >
> > Micropenis!
>
> They have a small size for Jappers. Surely you could get them online?

With all that Japanese porn you watch you would know that that is bullshit.
Just because Japan is your source, doesn't mean the Japanese wear them. They
cater for the unfortunates, the English and people like Fundoc.
I have had many women of different nationalities and it is that little
satisfied sigh at the end that tells the truth. So, eat yor heart out and
don't get into a pissing contest just because you managed to get one girl
pregnant. Suction bowls and syringes can help anyone these days.


Anopheles


gekko

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<attrib>Return with us now to that remarkable 15 Jul 2001, a day like
other days, except that upon that day, "Anopheles" <hi...@jeack.com.au>
wrote in news:9itoch$kjp11$2...@ID-34438.news.dfncis.de:</attrib>

> it is that little
> satisfied sigh at the end that tells the truth.

we have classes that teach us that.

--
gekko

You can go anywhere you want if you look serious and carry a clipboard.

Anopheles

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"gekko" wrote:

> <attrib>Return with us now to that remarkable 15 Jul 2001, a day like
> other days, except that upon that day, "Anopheles" <hi...@jeack.com.au>
> wrote in news:9itoch$kjp11$2...@ID-34438.news.dfncis.de:</attrib>
>
> > it is that little
> > satisfied sigh at the end that tells the truth.
>
> we have classes that teach us that.

You do? You mean they were all faking? I'm shattered.

Anopheles

James Donaghy

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"Alan Hope" <ah...@skynet.be> wrote in message
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Tiffany

Friend of Bianca, they called you Tiff
But now, mein frau, they'll just call you stiff
Balls and brains and brass and front
Where Grant was simply a bit of a
challenge to the viewer;
of whom there were fewer
After you'd gone.

That's 'fewer' not 'less'
as you'd know if you
posted here, I guess

WAC(haracter)

Jam
Cold eulogising on dat azz...


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