detective fiction
Capn
enjoy the old pulp writers, noir style as well. Any recommendations for
some other current authors?
Capt.
JAXAshby
or, ask the virgin groupie for her opinion.
Capn
looking for what people like and who they compare to chandler and them. I
know most bookstore clerks won't know shit about who compares, nor will most
care.
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Dr Zen
Ellroy is the king. Read the LA Quartet in the right order: Black
Dahlia, Big Nowhere, LA Confidential, White Jazz. Don't be tempted to
read his later work without reading them.
Lawrence Block is very hardboiled. You might enjoy him.
Ed McBain is excellent. He writes PI novels and police procedural type
ones. Both are recommended.
James Lee Burke's Dave Robicheaux novels are fun, even if they aren't
particularly well written.
These are the things I enjoy. YMMV.
Zen
Mike
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I'd agree with the good doctor on all of the above authors. I'd also add
Michael Connelly.
I'd point you towards the rec.arts.mystery group.
JAXAshby
there is a huge amount of information to be gained by noticing the kinds of
titles on the books there, the kinds of books displayed with their covers
facing out, the total shelf space allotted, even the colors used on the covers
generally. All this gives a decent overview of what the market is buying, or
at least the market served by that particular bookstore in that particular
local.
JAXAshby
huh?
>Ed McBain is excellent.
McBain writes religious stories to prove his particular take on the correct
morals for the world.
Capn
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Dr Zen
>>Lawrence Block is very hardboiled.
>
>huh?
Sorry. Two syllables were one too many for you.
>
>>Ed McBain is excellent.
>
>McBain writes religious stories to prove his particular take on the correct
>morals for the world.
>
Yes. He does it very well.
Zen
JAXAshby
>>
>>huh?
>
>Sorry. Two syllables were one too many for you.
no, I have both read his books and have met the man. hardboiled is not a term
that fits either.
JAXAshby
>>morals for the world.
>>
>
>Yes. He does it very well.
so did Oral Roberts. but I don't read OR, and won't again pick up a Mc book
either. I met Hunter briefly and found him to be a prig. His best work was
published in 1953. Think of an arrogant OR.
Dr Zen
IYO, which is for shit.
Zen
Dr Zen
So he doesn't please his groupies. What does that have to do with his
writing?
Zen
Mike
The man's hardboiledness is not relevant.
If by 'hardboiled' we mean gritty and grimily realistic, I'd argue that his
Precinct novels were hardboiled, especially those from the 60s and 70s (Cop
Hater was pretty nasty for its time). I'd concede that some might think
they've turned into a bit of a soap opera over the past 10 years.
JAXAshby
here, zeppy, let me enlighten you re the word "hardboiled"
hardboiled
hard-boiled adj 1: tough and callous by virtue of experience [syn: hard-bitten,
pugnacious] 2: used of persons; emotionally hardened; "faced a case-hardened
judge"
JAXAshby
let me repeat it. Ignoring your horidly erroneous use of the words "groupies"
we have your vacant question:
>So he doesn't please his groupies. What does that have to do with his
>writing?
>
>Zen
>
to which the answer was given prior.
JAXAshby
let's use this definition of the term "hardboiled" ...
hardboiled
hard-boiled adj 1: tough and callous by virtue of experience [syn: hard-bitten,
pugnacious] 2: used of persons; emotionally hardened; "faced a case-hardened
judge"
> ... I'd argue that his
Mike
> >If by 'hardboiled' we mean gritty and grimily realistic,
>
> let's use this definition of the term "hardboiled" ...
>
> hardboiled
>
> hard-boiled adj 1: tough and callous by virtue of experience [syn:
hard-bitten,
> pugnacious] 2: used of persons; emotionally hardened; "faced a
case-hardened
> judge"
>
OK, let's. And why don't you think McBain's books fit this definition?
An alternative definition, as applied to fiction at least, from the
Encyclopedia Brittanica is "a tough, unsentimental style of American crime
writing that brought a new tone of earthy realism or naturalism to the field
of detective fiction. Hard-boiled fiction used graphic sex and violence,
vivid but often sordid urban backgrounds, and fast-paced, slangy dialogue.
".
Again, why don't you think this description fits his books?
Dr Zen
>gee, zeppy, you "wife" turn you down yet again?
>
>
>here, zeppy, let me enlighten you re the word "hardboiled"
>
>hardboiled
>
>hard-boiled adj 1: tough and callous by virtue of experience [syn: hard-bitten,
>pugnacious] 2: used of persons; emotionally hardened; "faced a case-hardened
>judge"
Let me share with you the definition in my dico:
Devoid of sentimentality.
Like me, as I invite you to fuck yourself.
Zen
Dr Zen
<thedevil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"JAXAshby" <jaxa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> >If by 'hardboiled' we mean gritty and grimily realistic,
>>
>> let's use this definition of the term "hardboiled" ...
>>
>> hardboiled
>>
>> hard-boiled adj 1: tough and callous by virtue of experience [syn:
>hard-bitten,
>> pugnacious] 2: used of persons; emotionally hardened; "faced a
>case-hardened
>> judge"
>>
>
>OK, let's. And why don't you think McBain's books fit this definition?
Or Block's.
>
>An alternative definition, as applied to fiction at least, from the
>Encyclopedia Brittanica is "a tough, unsentimental style of American crime
>writing that brought a new tone of earthy realism or naturalism to the field
>of detective fiction. Hard-boiled fiction used graphic sex and violence,
>vivid but often sordid urban backgrounds, and fast-paced, slangy dialogue.
>".
>
>Again, why don't you think this description fits his books?
Or Block's.
Anyone can lift and twist a definition when they're clueless. This
Ashby guy doesn't even know that in dick fic the latter definition is
it.
Zen
Dr Zen
JAXAshby
McBain's books are religious tomes, and reflect **only** "earthy realism" in
the context of showing what rotten bastards unreligious or non-religious people
are.
hardboiled takes a tough, I-have-to-do-it-myself attitude that says most people
are either gragging selfish turds/bitches or naive. McBain preaches, and does
it badly.
JAXAshby
>in dick fic
JAXAshby
JAXAshby
*you* are his groupie, zeffy.
>What does that have to do with his
>writing?
>
only that he is not hardboiled. he is a moralist, and a bad one to boot.
Dr Zen
Our experience differs. Mine includes reading the books.
Zen
JAXAshby
>
certainly not the books in question.
>
>Zen
>
>
Dr Zen
>>Our experience differs. Mine includes reading the books.
>>
>
>certainly not the books in question.
No, dude, not the ones in your head. McBain's books.
Zen
JAXAshby
your statement below you bluntly stated that anyone who disagrees with you can
not possibly be right, because you are omnipotent.
I would suggest you seek professional help, but you have a mental illness that
is untreatable, for you will never be able to admit you need help. People with
the mental illness you have usually expire before their time with no one around
them within a thousand yards.