TALL FEMALES: Announcing the alt.tall-women.admirers newsgroup!
olskool
TALL WOMEN: It's time to be heard!
The alt.tall-women.admirers newsgroup is NEW and is being more and more
widely propagated on more and more Usenet newsreaders and servers.
It's a place where the admirers of tall females can discuss why they
just LOVE tall women. It can also be a place for tall women to
respond and tell them what they do (and don't) like about the attitudes
of men, and people in general, to their height!
So far, the alt.tall-women.admirers newsgroup has attracted the
attention of lots of people -- mainly male admirers of tall females.
But there are a lot of issues that can and should be discussed there:
such as, is it OK for a taller woman to date a shorter man?
Really, this is society's last taboo. We now (almost) universally
recognize that it's all right for blacks to date whites, whites to date
Asians, Asians to date Hispanics, etc. It's part of America, part of
our diverse culture.
We also have become more accepting of same sex couples. Men who like
men, and women who like women, should be accepted because they are
human beings, and not condemned because their sexuality happens to be
"wired" in a different way.
But what about shorter men who like taller women, or taller women who
like shorter men? Really, think about it. We've all seen
interracial couples on the street, dating together, shopping together,
going to movies and eating out in restaurants. And we all know that
there are many thousands of gay and lesbian couples right in the very
city where we live.
But, how many couples have you seen where the woman is, say 6'1" tall,
and the man, say, only 5'7"? It's possible, because we all know that
there are many 6'1" women and 5'7" men out there -- attractive,
intelligent, "available", nice, and potentially COMPATIBLE people.
But, when it comes down to it, do they ever get together? Do they
ever actually end up dating?? People say they don't live by
stereotypes, but perhaps many people are hesitant to BREAK stereotypes
-- like this one -- because of their subconscious programming.
We all may have seen one or two or three such couples (short male and
tall female) over our lifetimes, but we know they are few and far
between. Interracial couples and gay/lesbian couples -- as well as
couples with an "overweight" partner and an "underweight" partner --
all seem to be far more common.
Why is this so? What holds taller women back from dating shorter men?
Their own preferences? Or society? What makes shorter males
nervous at the sight of taller women -- even when there is a strong
attraction, and a real, potential compatibility? Again, is it fear?
Fear of losing one's "masculinity"? Is it societal programming?
Let's hear from tall women, short men, and EVERYONE interested in this
issue!
Tony Lee Gomez
olskool
Felix Arndt
Hi Tony,
> We all may have seen one or two or three such couples (short male and
> tall female) over our lifetimes, but we know they are few and far
> between. Interracial couples and gay/lesbian couples -- as well as
> couples with an "overweight" partner and an "underweight" partner --
> all seem to be far more common.
Myself as being part of an "interracial" couple (my queen's always been
black!), I see AT LEAST here in germany it's NOT true...
People would shut their mouth once they see small guy and tall doll, but
on the intercultural mix they seem to like to open their mouth, asking
dumb questions, even insulting the "stranger", at least glancing at them
both, so you feel like monkeys in the zoo...
But talking 'bout myself, my partner's have been all black and all
smaller than me, though I didn't actually choose them for that...
I remember falling in love with a LITTLE BIT taller woman (the Naomi
face BTW), but she told me she'd only like to have a taller boyfriend.
As it comes to myself, I don't fear taller women, don't fear ANY women,
as long as they don't physically attack me... (Never happened, anyway.
I'm a calm boy, and I don't unnecessarily provocate.)
Ciao,
F/x.
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olskool
In <5efh0p$s...@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu> jennife...@ncsu.edu writes:
Regarding alt.tall-women.admirers, Jennifer wrote...
>
>Has anybody checked this out yet? Just reading about it makes me
>somewhat nauseous. I don't want to be admired just because I happen
>to be over 5'8"
>
>I want to be noticed for what I LIKE, what I DISLIKE, how I THINK,
>how I FEEL, how I ACT and REACT as a PERSON. If you like me ONLY
>becuase I'm 6'1", then that doesn't say too much about you.
>
>Jennifer
Aw, come on, Jennifer! Get wit' da program, fer godsakes! In all
seriousness, be realistic. When dating a man, wouldn't you like him
to prefer, favor, or otherwise be attracted to YOUR particular physical
characteristics. Say you were brunette, and you were dating a man who
was very nice, except he had this one little peccadillo: every time a
blonde woman strolled by, his neck would twist away from you and
towards her! Then, wouldn't you feel hurt? Sure you would; you
would want him to at least be HONEST with you. If he had a "thing"
for blondes, then he shouldn't be dating you. Same goes for body type
(breasts, etc.)
AND the same thing goes for height, with MALES as the "object" here. I
am 5'8". Now, would I like it if my girlfriend told me she loves me,
but prefers taller men?? Would I like it if my girlfriend looked at
tall men all the time? Would I like it if my girlfriend actually
BROKE UP with me, for a taller man, and when I, Woody Allen-like,
desparately grilled her as to why, she said, "Oh, Tony, you're just as
good looking and nice as David, but he's taller -- he's 6'1'." How
should I feel? (This actually happened to me!) Shouldn't I go out and
find a girlfriend who likes, or prefers men of my height, or just
doesn't care (come on, we ALL have our preferences -- at least for
certain characteristics!)
My point is, that we all want to be appreciated not just for what's
INSIDE of us, but also for what's on the outside -- sometimes. I'm
NOT saying that what's on the outside is more important than what's
inside. Just the contrary is true -- what's inside is MUCH more
important.
Jennifer: would you rather date a man who LIKES tall women like
yourself, or who is just dating you for convenience, until he can find
a nice short "chick" whom he can look down on, to boost his own ego,
maybe. Or maybe just because he thinks he looks better, more "manly",
or whatever -- with a smaller woman!
Tony Lee Gomez
Donnie
jennife...@ncsu.edu wrote:
>In article <5edoe9$o...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, ols...@ix.netcom.com (olskool) says:
>>
>>TALL WOMEN: It's time to be heard!
>>
>>It's a place where the admirers of tall females can discuss why they
>>just LOVE tall women. (SNIP)
>Has anybody checked this out yet? Just reading about it makes me
>somewhat nauseous. I don't want to be admired just because I happen
>to be over 5'8"
>I want to be noticed for what I LIKE, what I DISLIKE, how I THINK,
>how I FEEL, how I ACT and REACT as a PERSON. If you like me ONLY
>becuase I'm 6'1", then that doesn't say too much about you.
>Jennifer
You tellem Jennifer!!!! Take the spam and eat it!!!!
Donnie!!
jennife...@ncsu.edu
olskool
In <5ege15$c...@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> ban...@ix.netcom.com(Shelly
Lynn Woodward) writes:
>Say you were brunette, and you were dating a man who was very nice,
>except he had this one little peccadillo: every time a blonde woman
>strolled by, his neck would twist away from you and towards her!
>
> What kind of low-life jerk would do this on a date, anyhow?
>
I (honestly!) have had many a lllooooong discussion with close female
friends in my age group (believe it or not, I have VERY close platonic
female friends) about their dating experiences, and some of them relate
that this happens (a lot), and that it is extremely vexing. Maybe you
date only princes, or maybe you are living in the fabled land of
Utopia. Or, maybe you are criticizing me just for the sake of
criticizing me, to make your other arguments look weightier.
> >My point is, that we all want to be appreciated not just for what's
>>INSIDE of us, but also for what's on the outside -- sometimes. I'm
>>NOT saying that what's on the outside is more important than what's
>>inside. Just the contrary is true -- what's inside is MUCH more
>>important.
>
> Right. Uh-huh. Yet you go on to say:
>>
>>Jennifer: would you rather date a man who LIKES tall women like
>>yourself, or who is just dating you for convenience, until he can
find
>>a nice short "chick" whom he can look down on, to boost his own ego,
>>maybe. Or maybe just because he thinks he looks better, more
>"manly", or whatever -- with a smaller woman!
>
> And you say it's 'what's on the inside' that's more important?
>According to you, most guys seem to be worried about how their dates
>will appear beside them in public....
>
Contrary to common sense, you seem to be implying that the two
(physical attraction and attraction based on personality) are largely
mutually exclusive. That is, anyone who is physically attracted to
another person automatically is being insincere when they also claim a
psychological or personality-based compatibility. You are disparaging
those people of both sexes who have the honesty to say that, yes, they
can be PHYSICALLY attracted to another person. We all feel physical
attractions towards other human beings -- let's stop lying and ADMIT
it. What you are doing is trying to paint a picture of a world where
physical attraction is totally subordinated to other types of
attraction. That world just doesn't exist. I agree that physical
attraction isn't everything. Thus, a stunning woman who is otherwise
vapid has no appeal for me, since I seek MEANINGFUL relationships with
women, not purely physical ones. You seem to be stereotyping "male"
attitudes. I am emphatically NOT the "stereotypical" male who's knee
jerk reaction to watching "Baywatch" is a sudden impulse to screw
anything that moves. Nor do I slaver over pictures in Penthouse.
> I would prefer to date a man who likes me for who and what I
>am...not because I am over 6' tall. I don't need some slavering,
>oogling sychophantic satellite by my side, Tony. I am not a trophy; I
>am not something to show off to other men. I am not here to satisfy
>some weird short guy and his fetish. I am not a giantess, or an
>amazon, or a freak. I am a living, thinking, loving human being, and
You totally misunderstand me. I realize there are thousands of
"giantess freaks" and the like lurking on some newsgroups. I am not
one of them. Moreover, my attractions are not restricted to women of
height; I can be just as attracted to a woman who is 5'2" (and have
been). All I am saying is this: 1) Men who, like myself, are
attracted to taller women shouldn't be scared or ashamed to admit it;
and, 2) taller women should give shorter men a chance to show they can
be nice people, instead of blindly following society's dictates that
the male partner in a heterosexual couple ALWAYS be taller than the
female.
I
>do not need someone like you telling me that I 'am not with the
>program' because I would like to be appreciated for my brains, and not
>for my height alone.....Looks fade, Tony, but personality remains.
>
> --Shelly
There was a lot of needless anger in your post, Shelly, plus a total
misunderstanding of where I am coming from. Please, before you
unthinkingly condemn a person like this, next time, try to get a
clearer understanding of what he or she is talking about!
Kate Nolte
ols...@ix.netcom.com (olskool) wrote:
>In <5ege15$c...@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> ban...@ix.netcom.com(Shelly
>Lynn Woodward) writes:
<snip, snip, snip, snip>
>You totally misunderstand me. I realize there are thousands of
>"giantess freaks" and the like lurking on some newsgroups. I am not
>one of them. Moreover, my attractions are not restricted to women of
>height; I can be just as attracted to a woman who is 5'2" (and have
>been). All I am saying is this: 1) Men who, like myself, are
>attracted to taller women shouldn't be scared or ashamed to admit it;
>and, 2) taller women should give shorter men a chance to show they can
>be nice people, instead of blindly following society's dictates that
>the male partner in a heterosexual couple ALWAYS be taller than the
>female.
I agree with both your points above. It would be nice if people who
were attracted to each other could just relax and enjoy the
attraction, regardless of differences in height, weight, color or age.
That doesn't seem to be the way it works most of the time though.
Having said that, I will also admit that the new support group in
question makes me a little uncomfortable (not angry, just uneasy). I
guess it goes back to the disinclination to be liked/disliked simply
because of a physical characteristic I have no control over.
Kate
Zippy VanZandt
>ols...@ix.netcom.com (olskool) wrote:
> All I am saying is this: 1) Men who, like myself, are
>>attracted to taller women shouldn't be scared or ashamed to admit it;
>>and, 2) taller women should give shorter men a chance to show they can
>>be nice people, instead of blindly following society's dictates that
>>the male partner in a heterosexual couple ALWAYS be taller than the
>>female.
I disagree. I think women should be encouraged to date and have sex with tall
men as often as possible, and women who date men under 6' tall should be
publicly chastised and ridiculed.
This especially applies to tall, slim, attractive women who should know better.
Short men who like tall women should cower in shame, and possibly join a
monastary or other celibate religious order.
We should ALL blindly follow society's dictates, if not what is society for?
I would like to propose that women who have sex with men over 6'-2" receive a
tax deduction equal to 10% of their income for each act of intercourse. 15% if
both partners achieve orgasm. I'm hoping to get Newt Gingrich to sponsor it.
jennife...@ncsu.edu
WARNING! This is a little long. Jenny had to roll up her sleeves for
this one! ;-)
In article <5eg074$n...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, ols...@ix.netcom.com (olskool) says:
Tony wrote:
>Aw, come on, Jennifer! Get wit' da program, fer godsakes!
I beg your pardon. What par-TIC-ular program would you like me to
get with? The one that teaches me to be so concerned with superficial
elements of a person rather than the ones that build good character?
In all
>seriousness, be realistic. When dating a man, wouldn't you like him
>to prefer, favor, or otherwise be attracted to YOUR particular physical
>characteristics.
Not necessarily. The most magic moment in a relationship is after
several weeks/months/years of getting to know each other and THEN
one saying to the other "You are the most beautiful person in the
world." They're talking about the WHOLE PACKAGE, not just the WRAPPING.
Say you were brunette, and you were dating a man who
>was very nice, except he had this one little peccadillo: every time a
>blonde woman strolled by, his neck would twist away from you and
>towards her!
In my world, that's not a "little peccadillo." That's completely
unacceptible and probably is a sign that he's not respecting ME, my
FEELINGS, and our conversation is at the moment AND that I'm dating
a total ASS and it's time to dump him.
I will go on record at this point and say I appreciate a good looking
man, as much as any man I date has a healthy appreciation for a
good-looking woman. When I quit looking is the time to bury me!
BUT I do not "rubber-neck" when I'm at dinner, nor continue to make
remarks about a person, NOR should my date if he wants another one.
Would I like it if my girlfriend actually
>BROKE UP with me, for a taller man, and when I, Woody Allen-like,
>desparately grilled her as to why, she said, "Oh, Tony, you're just as
>good looking and nice as David, but he's taller -- he's 6'1'." How
>should I feel? (This actually happened to me!)
Then she was a shallow twit and you should congratulate yourself for
having gotten rid of her.
Shouldn't I go out and
>find a girlfriend who likes, or prefers men of my height, or just
>doesn't care
Try the "doesn't care" route. Then you can be sure you have someone
who likes you for YOU, not because of your bone structure.
(come on, we ALL have our preferences -- at least for
>certain characteristics!)
Yes, mine include well-mannered, respect, a predilection for good wine
and food, good sense of humor, and a love of music and dogs.
Physical attributes were not left out on purpose. I don't give a hoot
what the person looks like as long as they have the inner stuffings I
mentioned above. And you can ask my family, because according to
them I've brought some goofy-looking men home. But my family liked them
because they were GOOD PEOPLE.
> what's inside is MUCH more important.
>
>Jennifer: would you rather date a man who LIKES tall women like
>yourself
Excuse me, did you just contradict yourself?
I don't want to date a "man who likes tall women like myself" because
there's not ONE PERSON, tall or otherwise, who is like myself.
I don't date men because they like tall women, because then there's a
sign pasted to his side "Insert Tall Woman Here."
I'm not an interchangeable, expendable, replaceable unit.
I'm a complete package of thoughts and feelings and styles and hopes
wrapped up in a frame that just happens to be considered above average.
Don't try to generalize me, buster!
Jennifer
Shelly Lynn Woodward
In <5eg074$n...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> ols...@ix.netcom.com
(olskool) writes:
>
>Regarding alt.tall-women.admirers, Jennifer wrote...
>>
>>somewhat nauseous. I don't want to be admired just because I happen
>>to be over 5'8"
>>Jennifer
>
>
>Aw, come on, Jennifer! Get wit' da program, fer godsakes! In all
>seriousness, be realistic.
No, Tony...YOU get with the program! Jennifer IS being realistic
here, and she is echoing the sentiments of many of the women in this
NG. This is a support group, after all. Not a fetish group. Or have
you forgotten that fact?
When dating a man, wouldn't you like him to prefer, favor, or otherwise
be attracted to YOUR particular physical characteristics.
Well sure, as long as he isn't attracted to me solely because of
the colour of my eyes or the length of my legs! Cripes. Get real.
I've got a brain under all this hair, you know. >:(
Say you were brunette, and you were dating a man who was very nice,
except he had this one little peccadillo: every time a blonde woman
strolled by, his neck would twist away from you and towards her!
What kind of low-life jerk would do this on a date, anyhow?
>My point is, that we all want to be appreciated not just for what's
>INSIDE of us, but also for what's on the outside -- sometimes. I'm
>NOT saying that what's on the outside is more important than what's
>inside. Just the contrary is true -- what's inside is MUCH more
>important.
Right. Uh-huh. Yet you go on to say:
>
>Jennifer: would you rather date a man who LIKES tall women like
>yourself, or who is just dating you for convenience, until he can find
>a nice short "chick" whom he can look down on, to boost his own ego,
>maybe. Or maybe just because he thinks he looks better, more
"manly", or whatever -- with a smaller woman!
And you say it's 'what's on the inside' that's more important?
According to you, most guys seem to be worried about how their dates
will appear beside them in public....
I would prefer to date a man who likes me for who and what I
am...not because I am over 6' tall. I don't need some slavering,
oogling sychophantic satellite by my side, Tony. I am not a trophy; I
am not something to show off to other men. I am not here to satisfy
some weird short guy and his fetish. I am not a giantess, or an
amazon, or a freak. I am a living, thinking, loving human being, and I
Marie E. Papachatzis
That's great! I am 6'1" and am married to a 5'7" man.
Marie
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Kate Nolte
zi...@prodigy.com (Zippy VanZandt) wrote:
>>ols...@ix.netcom.com (olskool) wrote:
(snip, snip)
>I would like to propose that women who have sex with men over 6'-2" receive a
>tax deduction equal to 10% of their income for each act of intercourse. 15% if
>both partners achieve orgasm. I'm hoping to get Newt Gingrich to sponsor it.
Sign me up! I could arrange to never pay taxes again! And just think
how popular guys over 6'2" would be! LOL
Kate
olskool
In <zippy.100...@prodigy.com> zi...@prodigy.com (Zippy VanZandt)
writes:
>I would like to propose that women who have sex with men over 6'-2"
receive a
>tax deduction equal to 10% of their income for each act of
intercourse. 15% if
>both partners achieve orgasm. I'm hoping to get Newt Gingrich to
sponsor it.
Actually, you might have better luck getting Newt to sponsor a bill
that would give tax credits to women who have sex (especially ORAL sex)
with men who weigh over 260 lbs. Newt is about 5'11" and weighs close
to 300, I think. Not to mention all that hot air he constantly
produces.
Tony
Doug O'Neal
This thread has outlived its purpose (if indeed it ever had one) on
rec.sport.volleyball and rec.sport.basketball.women. And probably from
most of the other groups. Please remove it from rsv and rsbw.
Doug
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"Marie E. Papachatzis" <mar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>That's great! I am 6'1" and am married to a 5'7" man.
>Marie
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jennife...@ncsu.edu wrote:
<appeal to sainthood snipped>
You sound like a real angel and someone most men would like to be
with.
Just a few questions: have you since junior high dated a man who was
more than three inches shorter than you? If yes, your candidacy
remains intact. If not, and you can also tell us that you have not
because one has never attempted to date you, your candidacy for
sainthood also remains in tack.
If not, and you can not tell us that no such man has ever attempted
to date you, you are free to admit that you are as attracted to
physical characteristics as the 58" man you are "talking down" to.
>Don't try to generalize me, buster!
>Jennifer
Kuobert Lee
I'm 5'7" and admire tall women. The idea of going out and having a
relationship with someone lots taller than I am tickles my fantasy. Yeah,
that's it, a fantasy. This fantasy has little to do with who the person
really is, so long as she is tall. A fantasy. To put it bluntly, Jennifer
and Donnie, both of you are my fantasy.
Donnie <ado...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<5eg0jh$i...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>...
> jennife...@ncsu.edu wrote:
>
> >In article <5edoe9$o...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, ols...@ix.netcom.com
(olskool) says:
> >>
> >>TALL WOMEN: It's time to be heard!
> >>
>
> >>It's a place where the admirers of tall females can discuss why they
> >>just LOVE tall women. (SNIP)
>
> >Has anybody checked this out yet? Just reading about it makes me
> >somewhat nauseous. I don't want to be admired just because I happen
> >to be over 5'8"
>
> >I want to be noticed for what I LIKE, what I DISLIKE, how I THINK,
> >how I FEEL, how I ACT and REACT as a PERSON. If you like me ONLY
> >becuase I'm 6'1", then that doesn't say too much about you.
>
> >Jennifer
Kuobert Lee
I am 5'7" but admire tall women. It's the idea of going out with someone
lots taller that tickers my fantasy. Yeah, that's it, it's more like a
fantasy. And fantasy has not much bearing on who the person is. To put it
bluntly, Jennifer, you are my fantasy, without really knowing who you are.
How's that?
MrKim2
olskool wrote:
>
> TALL WOMEN: It's time to be heard!
>
> widely propagated on more and more Usenet newsreaders and servers.
>
> tall female) over our lifetimes, but we know they are few and far
> between. Interracial couples and gay/lesbian couples -- as well as
> couples with an "overweight" partner and an "underweight" partner --
> all seem to be far more common.
>
> Their own preferences? Or society? What makes shorter males
> nervous at the sight of taller women -- even when there is a strong
> attraction, and a real, potential compatibility? Again, is it fear?
> Fear of losing one's "masculinity"? Is it societal programming?
>
> Let's hear from tall women, short men, and EVERYONE interested in this
> issue!
>
> Tony Lee Gomez
Fetus
MrKim2 wrote:
>
> olskool wrote:
> >
> > TALL WOMEN: It's time to be heard!
> >
> > The alt.tall-women.admirers newsgroup is NEW and is being more and more
> > widely propagated on more and more Usenet newsreaders and servers.
> >
> > It's a place where the admirers of tall females can discuss why they
> > just LOVE tall women. It can also be a place for tall women to
> > respond and tell them what they do (and don't) like about the attitudes
> > of men, and people in general, to their height!
> >
> > So far, the alt.tall-women.admirers newsgroup has attracted the
> > attention of lots of people -- mainly male admirers of tall females.
> >
> > But there are a lot of issues that can and should be discussed there:
> > such as, is it OK for a taller woman to date a shorter man?
> >
> > Really, this is society's last taboo. We now (almost) universally
> > recognize that it's all right for blacks to date whites, whites to date
> > Asians, Asians to date Hispanics, etc. It's part of America, part of
> > our diverse culture.
Not everywhere-try doing that in a small Midwestern town-you'll get some
funny looks and uncharitable remarks...Not to mention a lot of black
women *do not* like it when black man date white women, for example.
> >
> > We also have become more accepting of same sex couples. Men who like
> > men, and women who like women, should be accepted because they are
> > human beings, and not condemned because their sexuality happens to be
> > "wired" in a different way.
No of course not; but again, gay-bashing still occurs even in Greenwich
Village and the Castro District of San Francisco...
> >
> > But what about shorter men who like taller women, or taller women who
> > like shorter men? Really, think about it. We've all seen
> > interracial couples on the street, dating together, shopping together,
> > going to movies and eating out in restaurants. And we all know that
> > there are many thousands of gay and lesbian couples right in the very
> > city where we live.
> >
> > But, how many couples have you seen where the woman is, say 6'1" tall,
> > and the man, say, only 5'7"?
I've seen a few. It's not impossible...
It's possible, because we all know that
> > there are many 6'1" women and 5'7" men out there -- attractive,
> > intelligent, "available", nice, and potentially COMPATIBLE people.
> > But, when it comes down to it, do they ever get together?
Sometimes yes. I'm 5'7" and have dated a woman who was 5'10"...
Do they
> > ever actually end up dating?? People say they don't live by
> > stereotypes, but perhaps many people are hesitant to BREAK stereotypes
> > -- like this one -- because of their subconscious programming.
Most likely yes. Well, life isn't easy- interracial couples have the
same problems.
> >
> > We all may have seen one or two or three such couples (short male and
> > tall female) over our lifetimes, but we know they are few and far
> > between. Interracial couples and gay/lesbian couples -- as well as
> > couples with an "overweight" partner and an "underweight" partner --
> > all seem to be far more common.
Are you sure? I suppose you're right on interracial couples, but anyway,
the fat/skinny couples are often the result of one partner "porking out"
after marriage (could be either partner).
> >
> > Why is this so? What holds taller women back from dating shorter men?
> > Their own preferences? Or society?
Both. I had a woman tell me "Well, the girl is supposed to be shorter
than the guy..."
What makes shorter males
> > nervous at the sight of taller women -- even when there is a strong
> > attraction, and a real, potential compatibility?
Don't project your problems onto all short men. If I find a tall woman
attractive, I go for it! I get rejected a lot, but I can deal with it...
You should, too.
Again, is it fear?
Maybe fear of rejection by a woman who's not likely to take you
seriously, but again, height isn't everything...Are you interesting?
Intelligent? Good-looking? It's not hard to attract women who are taller
than you, really...
And the height prejudice even takes place with normal-size women and
girls- I remember being called "the little short kid," by a girl about
5'3" tall when I was 5'6" and 16 years old...apparently her boyfriend ws
6'3" or so... But what the hell, you can't please everyone-if a woman
rejects you becuase of your height, she's not worth having...
> > Fear of losing one's "masculinity"?
LOL! No, I don't think so...
> > Let's hear from tall women, short men, and EVERYONE interested in this
> > issue!
> >
> > Tony Lee Gomez
> Did ya forget to leave out the 'normal', tall men who like tall women?
Well, he seems primarily focused on short men who love tall women (hell,
I never considered 5'7" to be *that* short- I always just thought people
taller than me were too tall :)
Kate Nolte
ta...@jungle.com (TarZan) wrote:
>On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:55:23 GMT, doug...@mail.idt.net (Kate Nolte)
>wrote:
>>zi...@prodigy.com (Zippy VanZandt) wrote:
>>
>>>>ols...@ix.netcom.com (olskool) wrote:
>> (snip, snip)
>>
>>>I would like to propose that women who have sex with men over 6'-2" =
>receive a=20
>>>tax deduction equal to 10% of their income for each act of intercourse.=
> 15% if=20
>>>both partners achieve orgasm. I'm hoping to get Newt Gingrich to =
>sponsor it.
>>
>>Sign me up! I could arrange to never pay taxes again! And just think
>>how popular guys over 6'2" would be! LOL
>>
>>Kate
>>
>Why don't you take this stupid dribble to alt.dumbcunts. No wonder
>this country is so fucked up. Sheeeeeeeeesh!
>Carpe Deium
Are we feeling a bit TESTY, dear?? If stupid drivel (dribble being
perhaps a Freudian slip on your part?) was all that was wrong with the
world, people like you could fix it......
Kate (feeling no need to seize the day, I'm happy with the moment)
Susan
I've always thought that the idea that the man must be taller than
the woman was greatly reinforced, if not outright invented, by
the movie industry. There are problems of filming which are solved
if the characters are not exactly the same size -- and since
most men are taller than most women...
There are some rare, precious photos from American pioneer
days which show couples of seemingly mismatched sizes
standing happily together to have their pictures taken. It
appears that at least at one point in time, this wasn't an
important isue.
But, like it or not, this idea is deeply ingrained in our
subconcious minds now.
I have not felt that a mere date with a much shorter man was
objectionable, if we were friends and wanted to see the same
movie, for instance, or shared an interest in an exhibit at
the museum. I felt differently, though, when it became a
matter of "we're a couple." I didn't want to go through life
as part of a couple that people would stare and point at as
they made ugly comments.
I gave up on the idea that the man should be at least two
inches taller than myself in my teens. But I really wanted
someone who could at least stand beside me and look me in
the eye. Now, happily, I'm only two inches taller than my
husband. I'm 6'1".
--Susan
T Bergeson
>>> I am not here to satisfy some weird short guy and his fetish.
It is insulting and degrading to refer to this type of preference as a
"fetish." (Do women who prefer taller men have a comparable "fetish"?)
>>> I would like to be appreciated for my brains, and not
>>> for my height alone....
It is true that someone only interested in height would be very shallow.
When forming a lifetime commitment with someone, character and personality
are far more important than any physical feature.
But there's nothing wrong with being attracted to some particular physical
characteristic (or set of characteristics). Most people are.
For example, should heterosexual (or homosexual) people be shamed--or
labeled as "shallow" or "perverted"--because a physical characteristic
(gender) influences their choice of a mate?
Of course not. No one should be ridiculed for how their libido happens to
be wired. If Shelly prefers men taller than she is, respect it. If Tony
prefers women taller than he is, respect it. No one should be told how
they "should" feel.
--Kevin
(I prefer women taller than I am, by the way, and I don't think that
makes me "weird" or a "freak," just as above-average height does not make
someone "weird" or a "freak.")
Mike Gandolf
In article <5ern18$q...@news.cc.utah.edu> ktb0...@cc.utah.edu (T Bergeson) writes:
>>>> I am not here to satisfy some weird short guy and his fetish.
>It is insulting and degrading to refer to this type of preference as a
>"fetish." (Do women who prefer taller men have a comparable "fetish"?)
If that's the primary reason for dating, yes. Just as for men who have an
obsession with women with large breasts, or red hair.
If your interest in the person is solely on one physical aspect, it's a fetish.
Zippy VanZandt
In article <5ern18$q...@news.cc.utah.edu> ktb0...@cc.utah.edu (T Bergeson) writes:
>>>> I am not here to satisfy some weird short guy and his fetish.
>It is insulting and degrading to refer to this type of preference as a
>"fetish." (Do women who prefer taller men have a comparable "fetish"?)
>It is true that someone only interested in height would be very shallow.
>When forming a lifetime commitment with someone, character and personality
>are far more important than any physical feature.
>But there's nothing wrong with being attracted to some particular physical
>characteristic (or set of characteristics). Most people are.
No one's saying it's wrong, just that it's a fetish. As for it's being
"weird", as in out of the ordinary, unaccepted by society, that's true as
well since most men prefer shorter women.
>For example, should heterosexual (or homosexual) people be shamed--or
>labeled as "shallow" or "perverted"--because a physical characteristic
>(gender) influences their choice of a mate?
Gender is a lot more than a physical characteristic. You can't really be
suggesting that gender orientation is the same as something like a fixation on
long legs.
>(I prefer women taller than I am, by the way, and I don't think that
>makes me "weird" or a "freak," just as above-average height does not make
>someone "weird" or a "freak.")
you're mixing your metaphors here, you're comparing a preference with
a physical characteristic.
But actually, it does. And you'd better get used to it. You want something
outside the societal norm, and that makes you a weirdo, a freak, a pervert.
Not that it makes you different from anyone else.
Tom
looking, that's just another plus. Some of you people can't seem to get
beyond the physical appearance of a woman. That is very sad. Tom
--
This tastes like chicken!!
Visit my page at http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Quad/1474
Bonnie L. Wallace
This is in response to your letter about tall women dating short men. I
don't have much time to respond, but I'm 5'11" and my husband of 19
years is 5'7". We have Two children who are teenage boys. 16 & 17
years old. They both are over 6' tall with the youngest as of this
month 6'2." We all tower over my husband were always making jokes about
him being the shortest one in the family. He takes it well.
I gotta go to class. Talk more later.
Bon, Bon, On Sat, 22 Feb
1997, TarZan wrote:
> On 19 Feb 1997 17:42:36 GMT, ols...@ix.netcom.com (olskool) wrote:
>
> >TALL WOMEN: It's time to be heard!
> >
> >The alt.tall-women.admirers newsgroup is NEW and is being more and more
> >widely propagated on more and more Usenet newsreaders and servers.
> >
> >It's a place where the admirers of tall females can discuss why they
> >just LOVE tall women. It can also be a place for tall women to
> >respond and tell them what they do (and don't) like about the attitudes
> >of men, and people in general, to their height!
> >
> >So far, the alt.tall-women.admirers newsgroup has attracted the
> >attention of lots of people -- mainly male admirers of tall females.
> >
> >But there are a lot of issues that can and should be discussed there:
> >such as, is it OK for a taller woman to date a shorter man?
> >
> >Really, this is society's last taboo. We now (almost) universally
> >recognize that it's all right for blacks to date whites, whites to date
> >Asians, Asians to date Hispanics, etc. It's part of America, part of
> >our diverse culture.
> >
> >We also have become more accepting of same sex couples. Men who like
> >men, and women who like women, should be accepted because they are
> >human beings, and not condemned because their sexuality happens to be
> >"wired" in a different way.
> >
> >But what about shorter men who like taller women, or taller women who
> >like shorter men? Really, think about it. We've all seen
> >interracial couples on the street, dating together, shopping together,
> >going to movies and eating out in restaurants. And we all know that
> >there are many thousands of gay and lesbian couples right in the very
> >city where we live.
> >
> >But, how many couples have you seen where the woman is, say 6'1" tall,
> >and the man, say, only 5'7"? It's possible, because we all know that
> >there are many 6'1" women and 5'7" men out there -- attractive,
> >intelligent, "available", nice, and potentially COMPATIBLE people.
> >But, when it comes down to it, do they ever get together? Do they
> >ever actually end up dating?? People say they don't live by
> >stereotypes, but perhaps many people are hesitant to BREAK stereotypes
> >-- like this one -- because of their subconscious programming.
> >
> >We all may have seen one or two or three such couples (short male and
> >tall female) over our lifetimes, but we know they are few and far
> >between. Interracial couples and gay/lesbian couples -- as well as
> >couples with an "overweight" partner and an "underweight" partner --
> >all seem to be far more common.
> >
> >Why is this so? What holds taller women back from dating shorter men?
> >Their own preferences? Or society? What makes shorter males
> >nervous at the sight of taller women -- even when there is a strong
> >attraction, and a real, potential compatibility? Again, is it fear?
> >Fear of losing one's "masculinity"? Is it societal programming?
> >
> >Let's hear from tall women, short men, and EVERYONE interested in this
> >issue!
> >
> >Tony Lee Gomez
> >
> >
> >
> R U a dipshit or what? What a bunch of unintelligent dribble. Go get
> a life.
> Carpe Deium
>
>
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olskool
In <Pine.SOL.3.91.970224...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>
"Bonnie L. Wallace" <bwal...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> writes:
>
>
>This is in response to your letter about tall women dating short men.
I
>don't have much time to respond, but I'm 5'11" and my husband of 19
>years is 5'7". We have Two children who are teenage boys. 16 & 17
>years old. They both are over 6' tall with the youngest as of this
>month 6'2." We all tower over my husband were always making jokes
about
>him being the shortest one in the family. He takes it well.
>I gotta go to class. Talk more later.
>Bon, Bon, On Sat, 22 Feb
>1997, TarZan wrote:
All this talk about tall women and shorter men has made me wonder. Are
there any examples known of taller sisters and shorter brothers? In
other words, does anyone know of examples within the same family, of
sisters who are significantly taller than their genetic (blood-related)
brothers?
Actually, I might expand this question to include half-brothers and
half-sisters, who genetically are more likely to be dissimilar because
one parent is different; and even to adopted siblings. Even in a
family where one (or more) siblings are adopted, and know it, it still
might make kids feel "strange" or at least unusual when a girl is
significantly taller than her brother (especially if the girl is
younger).
By significantly taller, I mean at least 1-2 inches taller. Even that
is a significant difference when we're comparing boys with girls --
especially adolescents and full-grown adults. More interesting would
be situations where the girl towers over her brother by 4 or more
inches!
I do know of one family where there are a guy and a girl in their
twenties. The guy is about a year older than his sister (they are
true siblings) and he is 6'0" tall, whereas she's about 6'1" (without
heels). Incidentally, both are blonde-haired, blue-eyed part-time
models.
I would exclude genetic diseases or disorders from this question --
that is, congenital anomalies or syndromes, or any health situation
likely to have stunted or curtailed the growth of one of the children.
This wouldn't make it a fair comparison. I'm talking about situations
where BOTH (or ALL) children are healthy from birth, but by chance or
circumstance, the male happened to end up shorter than his sister.
I really appreciate any interesting facts anyone can relate (of course,
keep the subjects anonymous). Thanks!
Tony
Wilfred D. DeVoe
In article <5etdtl$h...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, ols...@ix.netcom.com
says...
>All this talk about tall women and shorter men has made me wonder. Are
>there any examples known of taller sisters and shorter brothers? In
>other words, does anyone know of examples within the same family, of
>sisters who are significantly taller than their genetic (blood-related)
>brothers?
>
Rich Payne
I think I know one reason why women choose taller guys, just think
of the justaposition when they hug a shorter guy. Normally guys have
to work a lot harder to get in this position.
Rich
--
olskool
Great, but what does this have to do with the topic of my post. I
asked a question about brother-sister pairs where the girl was taller
than the guy!
Tony
olskool
In <5etluk$k...@fridge-nf0.shore.net> wdd...@shore.net (Wilfred D.
DeVoe) writes:
> Yes. Grace Jones is taller (at 6') than her brother.
>
Interesting, do you know how tall the brother is? Do they share both
parents in common? (Grace looks even taller than 6' on tv. However,
she wears very high heels so that might accentuate it.)
Tony
Deborah Thomas
On 25 Feb 1997 01:05:57 GMT, ols...@ix.netcom.com (olskool) wrote:
>
>All this talk about tall women and shorter men has made me wonder. Are
>there any examples known of taller sisters and shorter brothers?
Hi, a new lurker here, but had to respond to this one!
In my hometown there was a tall, dark and handsome man (ex-football
player, 6'4" and more than solid) who married a small, blond,
beautiful woman (not more than 5', maybe 100 lbs.). They had four
children, two boys and two girls. The girls took after their father.
They look like twins, topped out at 5'10" and 5'11" and were very
substantially built, with dark hair. The boys look just like their
mother but taller, blond and 5'7".
While all four children are very attractive, the girls definitely
turned out taller than their brothers.
Deborah Thomas
dkth...@mindspring.com
BGreene
olskool wrote:
>
> In <Pine.SOL.3.91.970224...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>
> "Bonnie L. Wallace" <bwal...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> writes:
> >
> >Bon, Bon, On Sat, 22 Feb
>
> All this talk about tall women and shorter men has made me wonder. Are
> other words, does anyone know of examples within the same family, of
> sisters who are significantly taller than their genetic (blood-related)
>
> By significantly taller, I mean at least 1-2 inches taller. Even that
> I really appreciate any interesting facts anyone can relate (of course,
> keep the subjects anonymous). Thanks!
>
> Tony
Tony --
Yes, I am such a case. My sister, younger than I by 14 months and now
38, is 5'8" -- while I topped out at a whopping 5'6" (but 200 lbs. at
12% bodyfat). We had the same parents; my father was a 6 footer while
my mother is about 5'4". While growing up, she was always taller than
I. However, she was the Cheerleader/Prom Queen/Class Favorite type all
thru Junior High and High School, so if any of my friends did have jokes
or comments to make about my "big little sister", they kept them to
themselves -- They all wanted to date her and such mockery would have
severely hampered their chances!
--BG
bronco
Fetus wrote:
>
> MrKim2 wrote:
> >
> > olskool wrote:
> > >
> > > TALL WOMEN: It's time to be heard!
> > >
> > > The alt.tall-women.admirers newsgroup is NEW and is being more and more
> > > widely propagated on more and more Usenet newsreaders and servers.
> > >
> > > It's a place where the admirers of tall females can discuss why they
> > > just LOVE tall women. It can also be a place for tall women to
> > > respond and tell them what they do (and don't) like about the attitudes
> > > of men, and people in general, to their height!
> > >
> > > So far, the alt.tall-women.admirers newsgroup has attracted the
> > > attention of lots of people -- mainly male admirers of tall females.
> > >
> > > But there are a lot of issues that can and should be discussed there:
> > > such as, is it OK for a taller woman to date a shorter man?
> > >
> > > Really, this is society's last taboo. We now (almost) universally
> > > recognize that it's all right for blacks to date whites, whites to date
> > > Asians, Asians to date Hispanics, etc. It's part of America, part of
> > > our diverse culture.
>
> funny looks and uncharitable remarks...Not to mention a lot of black
> women *do not* like it when black man date white women, for example.
>
> > >
> > > men, and women who like women, should be accepted because they are
> > > human beings, and not condemned because their sexuality happens to be
> > > "wired" in a different way.
>
> Village and the Castro District of San Francisco...
>
> > >
> > > like shorter men? Really, think about it. We've all seen
> > > interracial couples on the street, dating together, shopping together,
> > > going to movies and eating out in restaurants. And we all know that
> > > there are many thousands of gay and lesbian couples right in the very
> > > city where we live.
> > >
> > > But, how many couples have you seen where the woman is, say 6'1" tall,
> > > and the man, say, only 5'7"?
>
>
> > > there are many 6'1" women and 5'7" men out there -- attractive,
> > > intelligent, "available", nice, and potentially COMPATIBLE people.
>
> > > But, when it comes down to it, do they ever get together?
>
>
> > > ever actually end up dating?? People say they don't live by
> > > stereotypes, but perhaps many people are hesitant to BREAK stereotypes
> > > -- like this one -- because of their subconscious programming.
>
> same problems.
>
> > >
> > > tall female) over our lifetimes, but we know they are few and far
> > > between. Interracial couples and gay/lesbian couples -- as well as
> > > couples with an "overweight" partner and an "underweight" partner --
> > > all seem to be far more common.
>
> the fat/skinny couples are often the result of one partner "porking out"
> after marriage (could be either partner).
>
> > >
> > > Their own preferences? Or society?
>
> than the guy..."
>
> > > nervous at the sight of taller women -- even when there is a strong
> > > attraction, and a real, potential compatibility?
>
> attractive, I go for it! I get rejected a lot, but I can deal with it...
> You should, too.
>
> Again, is it fear?
>
> Maybe fear of rejection by a woman who's not likely to take you
> seriously, but again, height isn't everything...Are you interesting?
> Intelligent? Good-looking? It's not hard to attract women who are taller
> than you, really...
>
> And the height prejudice even takes place with normal-size women and
> girls- I remember being called "the little short kid," by a girl about
> 5'3" tall when I was 5'6" and 16 years old...apparently her boyfriend ws
> 6'3" or so... But what the hell, you can't please everyone-if a woman
> rejects you becuase of your height, she's not worth having...
>
>
>
>
> > > issue!
> > >
> > > Tony Lee Gomez
>
> Well, he seems primarily focused on short men who love tall women (hell,
> I never considered 5'7" to be *that* short- I always just thought people
> taller than me were too tall :)
...at 6'2" I've seen it all...the short men who act like it proves
something that he is with a tall woman... and she's a trophy to be shown
off...I've dated men from 5'8" to 6'4"...I prefer the tall men....
...I used to think that I was too tall....but I was wrong!!!!!!
....5'7" is not tall...
olskool
>Tony --
>Yes, I am such a case. My sister, younger than I by 14 months and now
>38, is 5'8" -- while I topped out at a whopping 5'6" (but 200 lbs. at
>12% bodyfat). We had the same parents; my father was a 6 footer while
>my mother is about 5'4". While growing up, she was always taller than
>I. However, she was the Cheerleader/Prom Queen/Class Favorite type
all
>thru Junior High and High School, so if any of my friends did have
jokes
>or comments to make about my "big little sister", they kept them to
>themselves -- They all wanted to date her and such mockery would have
>severely hampered their chances!
>--BG
That's a very cool story. Kudos to you for graciously accepting what
little flack you did receive, if any at all.
Tony
J. Buckley
olskool wrote:
>
> In <Pine.SOL.3.91.970224...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>
> "Bonnie L. Wallace" <bwal...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> writes:
> >
> >
>
>
> All this talk about tall women and shorter men has made me wonder. Are
> there any examples known of taller sisters and shorter brothers? In
> other words, does anyone know of examples within the same family, of
> sisters who are significantly taller than their genetic (blood-related)
> brothers?
Well, I'm shorter than my (younger) sister. She's about 5'5" and I'm
5'0". We're just under three years apart in age, and both resemble
our mother.
>
> Actually, I might expand this question to include half-brothers and
> half-sisters, who genetically are more likely to be dissimilar because
> one parent is different; and even to adopted siblings. Even in a
> family where one (or more) siblings are adopted, and know it, it still
> might make kids feel "strange" or at least unusual when a girl is
> significantly taller than her brother (especially if the girl is
> younger).
>
> By significantly taller, I mean at least 1-2 inches taller. Even that
> is a significant difference when we're comparing boys with girls --
> especially adolescents and full-grown adults. More interesting would
> be situations where the girl towers over her brother by 4 or more
> inches!
Well, we qualify!
> I do know of one family where there are a guy and a girl in their
> twenties. The guy is about a year older than his sister (they are
> true siblings) and he is 6'0" tall, whereas she's about 6'1" (without
> heels). Incidentally, both are blonde-haired, blue-eyed part-time
> models.
>
> I would exclude genetic diseases or disorders from this question --
> that is, congenital anomalies or syndromes, or any health situation
> likely to have stunted or curtailed the growth of one of the children.
> This wouldn't make it a fair comparison. I'm talking about situations
> where BOTH (or ALL) children are healthy from birth, but by chance or
> circumstance, the male happened to end up shorter than his sister.
Well, it's possible that I have an unidentified congenital anomaly,
but since I am otherwise a normal (health even) adult, not suffering
from dwarfism, I think we meet your criteria.
>
> I really appreciate any interesting facts anyone can relate (of course,
> keep the subjects anonymous). Thanks!
Can't say there's terribly much to relate; our childhood was quite
normal and happy. My adolesence was a bit miserable, but that's normal
too, I understand ;)
The other four of our brothers range from 5'10" to 6'1", so I'm not
sure what all that means!
> Tony
Joe
John Aquino
On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:21:04 EST, zi...@prodigy.com (Zippy VanZandt)
wrote:
)No one's saying it's wrong, just that it's a fetish. As for it's
being
)"weird", as in out of the ordinary, unaccepted by society, that's
true as
)well since most men prefer shorter women.
hahaha. You are clueless. Hint: Go check out some supermodels, or
the women in the SI Swimsuit edition.
Men like attractive women - height isn't usually a deciding factor.
)>For example, should heterosexual (or homosexual) people be
shamed--or
)>labeled as "shallow" or "perverted"--because a physical
characteristic
)>(gender) influences their choice of a mate?
)
)Gender is a lot more than a physical characteristic. You can't really
be
)suggesting that gender orientation is the same as something like a
fixation on
)long legs.
Yes he can. And he's correct. All these pretentious fools claim
"it's what's on the inside", but it's really not. Sex is phsyical, so
it's physical attraction that's involved.
These same people usually go on to argue that men and women are the
same, and that women can do anything a man can do.
)>(I prefer women taller than I am, by the way, and I don't think that
)>makes me "weird" or a "freak," just as above-average height does not
make
)>someone "weird" or a "freak.")
)
) you're mixing your metaphors here, you're comparing a preference
with
)a physical characteristic.
)
)But actually, it does. And you'd better get used to it. You want
something
)outside the societal norm, and that makes you a weirdo, a freak, a
pervert.
)Not that it makes you different from anyone else.
Once again you're clueless. Tall women are considered attractive in
society.
In fact, given a tall and a short woman with the same general
attractiveness outside of height and most men would probably consider
the taller woman more attractive.
John Aquino
On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:44:32 -0800, Tom <firefi...@geocities.com>
wrote:
)Zippy VanZandt wrote:
)>
)> In article <5ern18$q...@news.cc.utah.edu> ktb0...@cc.utah.edu (T
Bergeson) writes:
)> >>>> I am not here to satisfy some weird short guy and his fetish.
)>
)> >It is insulting and degrading to refer to this type of preference
as a
)> >"fetish." (Do women who prefer taller men have a comparable
"fetish"?)
)> >It is true that someone only interested in height would be very
shallow.
)> >When forming a lifetime commitment with someone, character and
personality
)> >are far more important than any physical feature.
)> >But there's nothing wrong with being attracted to some particular
physical
)> >characteristic (or set of characteristics). Most people are.
)>
)> No one's saying it's wrong, just that it's a fetish. As for it's
being
)> "weird", as in out of the ordinary, unaccepted by society, that's
true as
)> well since most men prefer shorter women.
)>
)> >For example, should heterosexual (or homosexual) people be
shamed--or
)> >labeled as "shallow" or "perverted"--because a physical
characteristic
)> >(gender) influences their choice of a mate?
)>
)> Gender is a lot more than a physical characteristic. You can't
really be
)> suggesting that gender orientation is the same as something like a
fixation on
)> long legs.
)>
)> >(I prefer women taller than I am, by the way, and I don't think
that
)> >makes me "weird" or a "freak," just as above-average height does
not make
)> >someone "weird" or a "freak.")
)>
)> you're mixing your metaphors here, you're comparing a preference
with
)> a physical characteristic.
)>
)> But actually, it does. And you'd better get used to it. You want
something
)> outside the societal norm, and that makes you a weirdo, a freak, a
pervert.
)> Not that it makes you different from anyone else.
)As for myself, I look for aspects of a personality, and if she is
good
)looking, that's just another plus. Some of you people can't seem to
get
)beyond the physical appearance of a woman. That is very sad. Tom
Then why don't you go butt-pump your best male friend? Since you like
his personality then I guess that means his phsyical appearance
doesn't matter, eh?
"I look for personality first!"... Jesus, what a load of complete
horseshit.
David S Ching
))) Hey.....if you're short, most women WILL be taller than you. Ok?
wutcha gonna do?
Zippy VanZandt
I have to say I'm getting really sick of short guys using a.s.t to cruise for
tall women. A.S.T is a TALL support group, for TALL topics, not the
meandering lust of short guys with a fetish.
STOP POSTING THIS STUFF TO ALT.SUPPORT.TALL!
I don't care if you want to date tall women, or if you want to date sheep.
Go right ahead and share your fantasies on alt.tall-women.admirers
or alt.sex.fetish.giants-
Just keep it off the only group for actual tall people on the net.
Short people who want to discuss real height issues are welcome, short guys
who want to get laid are NOT!
In article <33147e09...@news.hia.net> mcdonald@com writes:
>Okay, I'll be a bit more specific. I'm looking for brainy, tall
>women. Don't hesitate to apply. ;)
>Oh, me? I'm 5'6", (which is not something I can help.) I keep on an
>even keel mentally and emotionally. I'm reasonably well read. And
>short girls may apply too. ;)
AW...@thespiders.web
> being
> )"weird", as in out of the ordinary, unaccepted by society, that's
> true as
>
> hahaha. You are clueless. Hint: Go check out some supermodels, or
> the women in the SI Swimsuit edition.
>
> Men like attractive women - height isn't usually a deciding factor.
OK, I see what you're saying, but there are two different things being
talked about here. Yes, supermodels are beautiful and often very tall.
Many men like the way they look. But there's a big difference between
liking the way someone looks and becoming invloved with them. I'd be
willing to bet that a good number of men who love to look at supermodels
in magazines and on TV would be very uncomfortable out on a date with
these women, since the men would be the shorter half of the couple in
many cases.
--
Danielle Wolf
wolf...@huskynet.com
olskool
In <331758...@TheSpiders.Web> AW...@TheSpiders.Web writes:
>OK, I see what you're saying, but there are two different things being
>talked about here. Yes, supermodels are beautiful and often very tall.
>Many men like the way they look. But there's a big difference between
>liking the way someone looks and becoming invloved with them. I'd be
>willing to bet that a good number of men who love to look at
supermodels
>in magazines and on TV would be very uncomfortable out on a date with
>these women, since the men would be the shorter half of the couple in
>many cases.
>
I'm a man who wouldn't feel uncomfortable in this situation. I'm
confident enough in my own manhood that height doesn't threaten me.
Maybe this is something that a lot of posters on the alt.support.tall
newsgroup, people who have criticized me vociferously, don't or can't
understand. This may sound corny, but it is hard for me to describe
the profound sense of security I have about my masculinity. That's
one reason that I, as a 100% heterosexual male, strongly defend the
rights of gays and lesbians to love whom they want in the ways they
want. Many heterosexuals -- ESPECIALLY heterosexual males -- have a
problem with gay people. In some weird way, gays' very existence on
this planet threaten their sexuality. That's why you have incidents
like the recent bombing of that Atlanta gay/lesbian nightclub. Just
the fact that gay people exist is threatening to some.
For those of you who need desperately to believe that I like tall women
because it's some sort of deviant "fetish", then I tell you this: I
can be JUST AS ATTRACTED to shorter women. In fact, I just met a
fantastic woman who is 5'5" (to my 5'8") and I am in love! And she's
not tall!! And I am emphatically not cruising this newsgroup for tall
women; just for breaking stereotypes, to wit that most insufferable and
indestructable, unvoiced but all-pervasive stereotype entrenched in our
American society by way of the mass media, Hollywood, Madison Avenue,
and other opinion-making and preference-governing vehicles too numerous
to mention, that men belong with shorter women, or that women belong
with taller men. My attempts to fire up a dialogue about this issue
HAVE been successful. Much of the dialogue has been superficial,
though I never intended it to be thus; and if you REALLY LOOK AT, and
REALLY READ all of my posts in this "thread" and its various
tributaries, you will find nothing superficial, nothing blatantly
sex-mongering or lascivious about them. They are just ideas; ideas
proffered to break stereotypes, stereotypes which exert a stranglehold
on too many minds, too many lifestyles.
As for people like Caroline from Norway (who should be paired up with
Mark from Michigan, right wing militia leader and propagandist of
intolerance, in a fascist comedy team); Shelly, whose shallow posts are
nothing but ignorant, knee-jerk denunciations of anything that offends
her overly-sensitive sensibilities ("Oh! God! How CAN you say that
you're attracted to women because of PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS!! It's
downright obscene!" -- It seems to me that Shelly would have been at
home in Puritan society, persecuting heathen adulteresses like Hesther
Prynne with scarlet A's), and especially so-called Zippy Van Zandt, who
seems to be intellectually a cross between Zippy the Pinhead, that
notorious degenerate clown with beard stubble and a subnormal IQ, and
"Little" Steven Van Zandt, the diminutive 80's rocker with a loud mouth
but precious little of substance to say. One day he posts inane,
nonsensical rebukes and caustic attacks replete with absurdist non-
sequiturs and corny, lame jokes; the next day he's posting
high-sounding, sanctimonious pleas that "short" people stop posting on
"his" newsgroup. Zippy, take your medicine and go to bed!
Tony Lee "Olskool" Gomez
signing off -- for the time being!
--Outland Navigator--
AW...@TheSpiders.Web wrote:
>
> John Aquino wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:21:04 EST, zi...@prodigy.com (Zippy VanZandt)
> > wrote:
> > )No one's saying it's wrong, just that it's a fetish. As for it's
> > being
> > )"weird", as in out of the ordinary, unaccepted by society, that's
> > true as
> > )well since most men prefer shorter women.
> >
> > hahaha. You are clueless. Hint: Go check out some supermodels, or
> > the women in the SI Swimsuit edition.
> >
> > Men like attractive women - height isn't usually a deciding factor.
>
> talked about here. Yes, supermodels are beautiful and often very tall.
> Many men like the way they look. But there's a big difference between
> liking the way someone looks and becoming invloved with them. I'd be
> willing to bet that a good number of men who love to look at supermodels
> in magazines and on TV would be very uncomfortable out on a date with
> these women, since the men would be the shorter half of the couple in
> many cases.
>
> Danielle Wolf
> wolf...@huskynet.com
***************************************************************************
Then as the Feminist equates..
Then the Feminist should pay for the Date..
Care I all, at the height problem, that's minor.
What is the true purpose of the date, the Paradigm
of Sexist Agression.....
Trivial...matters...go figure...
***************************************************************************
Aneon-6.
We're all of the same Tribe.
Robert Krawitz
For those of you who need desperately to believe that I like tall women
because it's some sort of deviant "fetish", then I tell you this: I
can be JUST AS ATTRACTED to shorter women. In fact, I just met a
fantastic woman who is 5'5" (to my 5'8") and I am in love! And she's
not tall!! And I am emphatically not cruising this newsgroup for tall
women; just for breaking stereotypes, to wit that most insufferable and
indestructable, unvoiced but all-pervasive stereotype entrenched in our
American society by way of the mass media, Hollywood, Madison Avenue,
and other opinion-making and preference-governing vehicles too numerous
to mention, that men belong with shorter women, or that women belong
with taller men. My attempts to fire up a dialogue about this issue
HAVE been successful. Much of the dialogue has been superficial,
though I never intended it to be thus; and if you REALLY LOOK AT, and
REALLY READ all of my posts in this "thread" and its various
tributaries, you will find nothing superficial, nothing blatantly
sex-mongering or lascivious about them. They are just ideas; ideas
proffered to break stereotypes, stereotypes which exert a stranglehold
on too many minds, too many lifestyles.
Tony:
First of all, there's nothing wrong with having a fetish. A lot of
people (myself included) have them. It's a matter of how one's brain
is wired. The issue isn't whether you have a fetish for tall women or
not, it's what you do about it. The latter is what offends people
here. High minded rhetoric or no, you come across (quite justifiably
so, in my opinion) as someone who's simply interested in tall women.
Again, there's nothing wrong with that, but the way you're going about
it (cross posting to a lot of newsgroups that really aren't interested
in it) offends a lot of people. It's not a freedom of speech issue,
either; there are already newsgroups that cater to your interests.
Alt.support.tall is not one of them.
As for people like Caroline from Norway (who should be paired up with
Mark from Michigan, right wing militia leader and propagandist of
intolerance, in a fascist comedy team); Shelly, whose shallow posts are
nothing but ignorant, knee-jerk denunciations of anything that offends
her overly-sensitive sensibilities ("Oh! God! How CAN you say that
you're attracted to women because of PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS!! It's
downright obscene!" -- It seems to me that Shelly would have been at
home in Puritan society, persecuting heathen adulteresses like Hesther
Prynne with scarlet A's), and especially so-called Zippy Van Zandt, who
seems to be intellectually a cross between Zippy the Pinhead, that
notorious degenerate clown with beard stubble and a subnormal IQ, and
"Little" Steven Van Zandt, the diminutive 80's rocker with a loud mouth
but precious little of substance to say. One day he posts inane,
nonsensical rebukes and caustic attacks replete with absurdist non-
sequiturs and corny, lame jokes; the next day he's posting
high-sounding, sanctimonious pleas that "short" people stop posting on
"his" newsgroup. Zippy, take your medicine and go to bed!
Caroline and Shelly have both had very interesting, relevant things to
say on alt.support.tall (which is where I read this). You're out of
line barging in and condemning people who have the temerity to tell
you that what you're talking about is not relevant to this newsgroup.
--
Robert Krawitz <r...@tiac.net> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/
Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail l...@uunet.uu.net
Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-800-521-2512
XXX
ols...@ix.netcom.com (olskool) wrote:
>In <331758...@TheSpiders.Web> AW...@TheSpiders.Web writes:
>>OK, I see what you're saying, but there are two different things being
>>talked about here. Yes, supermodels are beautiful and often very tall.
>>Many men like the way they look. But there's a big difference between
>>liking the way someone looks and becoming invloved with them. I'd be
>>willing to bet that a good number of men who love to look at
>supermodels
>>in magazines and on TV would be very uncomfortable out on a date with
>>these women, since the men would be the shorter half of the couple in
>>many cases.
>>
>I'm a man who wouldn't feel uncomfortable in this situation. I'm
>confident enough in my own manhood that height doesn't threaten me.
>Maybe this is something that a lot of posters on the alt.support.tall
>newsgroup, people who have criticized me vociferously, don't or can't
>understand. This may sound corny, but it is hard for me to describe
>the profound sense of security I have about my masculinity. That's
>one reason that I, as a 100% heterosexual male, strongly defend the
>rights of gays and lesbians to love whom they want in the ways they
>want. Many heterosexuals -- ESPECIALLY heterosexual males -- have a
>problem with gay people. In some weird way, gays' very existence on
>this planet threaten their sexuality. That's why you have incidents
>like the recent bombing of that Atlanta gay/lesbian nightclub. Just
>the fact that gay people exist is threatening to some.
>For those of you who need desperately to believe that I like tall women
>because it's some sort of deviant "fetish", then I tell you this: I
>can be JUST AS ATTRACTED to shorter women. In fact, I just met a
>fantastic woman who is 5'5" (to my 5'8") and I am in love! And she's
>not tall!! And I am emphatically not cruising this newsgroup for tall
>women; just for breaking stereotypes, to wit that most insufferable and
>indestructable, unvoiced but all-pervasive stereotype entrenched in our
>American society by way of the mass media, Hollywood, Madison Avenue,
>and other opinion-making and preference-governing vehicles too numerous
>to mention, that men belong with shorter women, or that women belong
>with taller men. My attempts to fire up a dialogue about this issue
>HAVE been successful. Much of the dialogue has been superficial,
>though I never intended it to be thus; and if you REALLY LOOK AT, and
>REALLY READ all of my posts in this "thread" and its various
>tributaries, you will find nothing superficial, nothing blatantly
>sex-mongering or lascivious about them. They are just ideas; ideas
>proffered to break stereotypes, stereotypes which exert a stranglehold
>on too many minds, too many lifestyles.
>As for people like Caroline from Norway (who should be paired up with
>Mark from Michigan, right wing militia leader and propagandist of
>intolerance, in a fascist comedy team); Shelly, whose shallow posts are
>nothing but ignorant, knee-jerk denunciations of anything that offends
>her overly-sensitive sensibilities ("Oh! God! How CAN you say that
>you're attracted to women because of PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS!! It's
>downright obscene!" -- It seems to me that Shelly would have been at
>home in Puritan society, persecuting heathen adulteresses like Hesther
>Prynne with scarlet A's), and especially so-called Zippy Van Zandt, who
>seems to be intellectually a cross between Zippy the Pinhead, that
>notorious degenerate clown with beard stubble and a subnormal IQ, and
>"Little" Steven Van Zandt, the diminutive 80's rocker with a loud mouth
>but precious little of substance to say. One day he posts inane,
>nonsensical rebukes and caustic attacks replete with absurdist non-
>sequiturs and corny, lame jokes; the next day he's posting
>high-sounding, sanctimonious pleas that "short" people stop posting on
>"his" newsgroup. Zippy, take your medicine and go to bed!
>Tony Lee "Olskool" Gomez
>signing off -- for the time being!
Way to go Tony.
I've often complained that N.A. women have a thing for taller men
that their European and Asian counterparts don't share to the same
extent, because the N.A. media has conditioned N.A. women to want to
be with cowboys and football players.
The mere fact that this size fetish is not a general trait among women
but an N.A. trait suggests its social as opposed to biological
origins.
Adam Ophir Shapira
AW...@TheSpiders.Web wrote:
>
> OK, I see what you're saying, but there are two different things being
> talked about here. Yes, supermodels are beautiful and often very tall.
> Many men like the way they look. But there's a big difference between
> liking the way someone looks and becoming invloved with them. I'd be
> willing to bet that a good number of men who love to look at supermodels
> in magazines and on TV would be very uncomfortable out on a date with
> these women, since the men would be the shorter half of the couple in
> many cases.
Personally ... I don't think that a woman's height
would make or break her attractiveness (unless it is
a very borderline case). There is so much more to a
woman than how tall she is.
However, personally, on it's own, I think tallness
*is* an attractive feature on a woman. Does that make
me a freak?
Adam Ophir Shapira
AW...@TheSpiders.Web wrote:
Now, as for these super-models, I would only find them
attractive if their off-stage personalities are *drastically*
different from their on-stage personalities. I just don't
dig the kind of woman that super-models are when they are
on-stage. This has nothing to do with my personal values
... just with my personal *preferences*.
Adam Ophir Shapira
Zippy VanZandt
>As for people like Caroline from Norway (who should be paired up with
>Mark from Michigan, right wing militia leader and propagandist of
>intolerance, in a fascist comedy team); Shelly, whose shallow posts are
>nothing but ignorant, knee-jerk denunciations of anything that offends
>her overly-sensitive sensibilities ("Oh! God! How CAN you say that
>you're attracted to women because of PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS!! It's
>downright obscene!" -- It seems to me that Shelly would have been at
>home in Puritan society, persecuting heathen adulteresses like Hesther
>Prynne with scarlet A's), and especially so-called Zippy Van Zandt, who
>seems to be intellectually a cross between Zippy the Pinhead, that
>notorious degenerate clown with beard stubble and a subnormal IQ, and
>"Little" Steven Van Zandt, the diminutive 80's rocker with a loud mouth
>but precious little of substance to say. One day he posts inane,
>nonsensical rebukes and caustic attacks replete with absurdist non-
>sequiturs and corny, lame jokes; the next day he's posting
>high-sounding, sanctimonious pleas that "short" people stop posting on
>"his" newsgroup. Zippy, take your medicine and go to bed!
>Tony Lee "Olskool" Gomez
Once I thought you had a point, albeit a little odd. Now it's clear that
you're just trolling, the usenet equivalent of picking a fight.
You seem to delight in distorting other people's words to suit your own
twisted liogic.
When the best you can do is make fun of a person's name, you show that you
ran out of things to say long ago.
As for Van Zandt, my father is Dutch, as his father before him. I take pride
in my heritage. As for Steve, one look at me at 6'-5" will tell you we're no
relation. As for Zippy, I got that playing Soccer in High School.
I don't intend to change my name to suit you, or anyone else.
As for "my" newsgroup, what I said was that it (alt.support.tall) is a
newsgroup for tall issues, and your inability to get a date with a
sufficiently tall woman is not a tall issue, it's a "pathetic loser" issue.
You will note that I have deleted your advertisement for your masculinity.
This stuff is too sad to reprint.
Per Einar Sklaar
ols...@ix.netcom.com (olskool) wrote:
>For those of you who need desperately to believe that I like tall women
>because it's some sort of deviant "fetish", then I tell you this: I
>can be JUST AS ATTRACTED to shorter women. (snip) And I am emphatically >not cruising this newsgroup for tall women; just for breaking stereotypes, >to wit that most insufferable and
>indestructible, unvoiced but all-pervasive stereotype entrenched in our
>American society by way of the mass media, Hollywood, Madison Avenue,
>and other opinion-making and preference-governing vehicles too numerous
>to mention, that men belong with shorter women-
I was wondering if this might be true, that maybe he really doesn't have a fetish for tall women. So I did a little strolling through the Usenet database, to see what Mr. Olskool has been up to -
Since January, 1996 ols...@ix.netcom.com (olskool) has posted to Usenet 1366 times, among those posts were the following:
o 163 alt.sex.trans (a transsexual group)
o 158 alt.amazon-women.admirers
o 49 alt.women.supremacy
o 36 alt.support.tall
o 30 alt.personals.tall
o 24 rec.sport.basketball.women
o 18 alt.sex.femdom (female dominance)
o 6 alt.baldspot
o 3 alt.tall-women.admirers
Interestingly, while he posted 30 times to alt.personals.tall, he only posted 4 times to the general personals group <alt.personals.ads> and only 1 to <alt.personals>. This would indicate a clear tall bias.
A large number of his posts to <alt.sex.trans> and <alt.sex.femdom> were in the form of short stories he claims to have written himself, with titles like:
AMAZON PLANET
Males In Spike Heels
Planet of the Amazon
BASKETBALL AMAZONS
Sex-Role Reversal
Here's a sample of his classic "Males in spike heels"-
Subject: Males In Spike Heels, Females In Basketball Shoes: Article Segment 1 of 5 Crossdresser Sci-Fi
Date: 1996/08/30 - alt.sex.trans
I am writing a novel about a highly technologically advanced planet
in which Amazon women rule over small, ditzy men (ditzy = American
slang for "scatterbrained" or irrational). Men are nothing
but househusbands and maids, and women control the government, the
police, etc. The women are tall and fairly muscular, and the men
are kind of built the opposite: built sort of like earth women only
with a penis and without breasts. . . .
One such story might be considered a simple exercise in whimsy, but all his stories follow the same theme.
Olskool's postings to personals and fetish groups follow in the same bent, here's a sampling:
Subject: Tall(6 foot plus)sexy,hardbodied athlete wanted by 5'8"male wimp
Date: 1996/10/15 - alt.personals.tall,alt.amazon-women.admirers, alt.women.supremacy,alt.sex.femdom,alt.support.tall
Subject: Male 5'7" seeks 6' or taller Amazon Grrrl for sexual fun...
Date: 1997/01/02 - alt.personals.tall,alt.women.supremacy,alt.amazon-
women.admirers,alt.personals,alt.personals.ads
Subject: Six-Foot Amazon Girl Sought by Horny, Obedient 5'8" Male
Date: 1996/10/15 - alt.personals.tall,alt.amazon-women.admirers, alt.women.supremacy,alt.sex.femdom
Subject: male 5'8" desires tall (6 ft. plus) athletic female
Date: 1996/05/20 - alt.personals.tall
Subject: Sensitive, Giving, Cute Guy Seeks Taller Woman in SoCal Today!!
Date: 1996/06/05 - alt.personals.tall
Subject: ---Shorter (5'8") Guy ISO Taller (6'-6'4") Female in SoCal---
Date: 1996/09/20 - alt.personals.tall,alt.support.tall
Subject: Tall Woman Wanted
Date: 1996/11/26 - alt.personals.tall,alt.amazon-women.admirers
Subject: Five Foot Eight Male Seeks Strong, Athletic Six-Footer
Date: 1996/04/26 - alt.personals.tall
Subject: Female Supremacy -- Wanted: Taller Woman
Date: 1996/03/16 - alt.personals.tall
Subject: Girls: How Does a Guy Who Likes Taller Women Meet Basketball or Volleyball Players?
Date: 1996/04/08 - rec.sport.basketball.women,rec.sport.volleyball, alt.sex.fetish.size,alt.feminism.individualism, alt.feminism,alt.amazon-women.admirers, alt.sex.wanted,alt.personals.tall
Subject: SoCal: Any Tall, Athletic Females Out There who wanna meet a nice, shorter guy?
Date: 1996/07/10 - alt.personals.tall
You'll note that in some posts he's 5'-7", some 5'-8" and even 5'-8.5" in the text of one. Is he growing? And what is he saying in these posts?
Here's some typical content:
Subject: Sensitive, Giving, Cute Guy Seeks Taller Woman in SoCal Today!!
Date: 1996/06/05 - alt.personals.tall
Now, what I am looking for is a woman who is TALLER than me! I have always loved tall women, and I would like to meet a special tall woman who is between 6'0" and 6'4", and is also lean and athletic but not skinny! I love long legs!
If you are in your20s to early
30s and meet this description, and are in the Southern Cal. area,
please drop me an email!! Let me show you how much a guy can
REALLY WORSHIP you!!!
Subject: Five Foot Eight Male Seeks Strong, Athletic Six-Footer
Date: 1996/04/26 - alt.personals.tall,alt.personals
Attractive 5'8" male, 29, 155 lbs. seeks attractive female, 6' - 6'4", athletic and
between 145-180 lbs, preferably 21-28. I love long legs!!! I live in SoCal.
I am somewhat subservient but very passionate and like being the
sexual initiator. The ways I am subservient is that I love to cook, clean,
do the laundry and take care of you etc. and generally do what you say . . .
And despite the fact that he said in his posting of March 2, 1997 -
"This may sound corny, but it is hard for me to describe
the profound sense of security I have about my masculinity. That's
one reason that I, as a 100% heterosexual male, strongly defend the
rights of gays and lesbians to love whom they want in the ways they
want."
He still found it necessary to put on several of his posts, including his post of 1996/04/26 to the ng <alt.personals.tall> -
"NO E-MAILS FROM MALES -- IF A GUY E-MAILS I WILL ASSUME HE IS GAY, NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS..."
Seem he's not as secure in his masculinity as he thinks he is! Another interesting note is no one asked him about his sexual orientation, yet he mentions it several times in his posts.
Does all this sound like a guy who has no obsession or fetish for tall women? And no problems with gays?
He also can't seem to get his own height straight, a clear sign of a person who has problems with the truth.
I think what we have here is a person with deep sexual and emotional confusion, and an inveterate liar.
I think Olskool needs to face his conflicts and visit a skilled professional.
If you like, I have downloaded the complete text of most of his postings and am quite capable of posting them all, but rather than bore you with that I've condensed them for you.
All that I have included here is a matter of public record, and all the posts are available for you to read at the Deja News web site http://www.dejanews.com search for author: ols...@ix.netcom.com
Please visit and get to know our dear friend ols...@ix.netcom.com and his many perversions.
Rachel Denise James
Per Einar Sklaar (ro...@sklaarnet.kir.no) wrote:
: ols...@ix.netcom.com (olskool) wrote:
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm and the point of this was????
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J K Rigney
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> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm and the point of this was????
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On his/her head.
Cheers
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JKR
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TallWeb
>> In article <5edoe9$o...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, ols...@ix.netcom.com
>(olskool) says:
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>> >Tony Lee Gomez
>> Tall women are cool, i am 6' 3" and my girlfriend is 5' 11" !!!
Interesting, first he was 5'-7", then 5'-8", now he's 6'-3".
My that boy is growing fast! Eight inches in only a few months!