For those who didn't know....
Peggy
Richmond Township (September 24)
The State Police are investigating a homicide in Richmond
Township.
Law enforcement officials say they received a 9-1-1 call around 5:30
yesterday morning from 44 year old Donald Manning. In that call, Manning
told
the dispatch that he had shot his wife. Troopers from the Negaunee State
Police Post along with officers from Forsyth Township Police and Negaunee
City Police Department arrived at the residence to find Patti Manning dead
of
a gun shot wound.
Manning is currently being held in the Marquette County Jail. No
charges
have been filed yet. The couple had a 10 year old daughter, who was not in
the house at that morning.
According to police, Manning's wife was Patti Nickerson-Manning. She
spear-headed the efforts to fight the dog-wolf hybrid. Her daughter Angie
was
killed by one in National Mine back in 1989. She made an effort to help
others know more about the animal and how to avert future attacks.
Janine Heimerich
-- J
Bryan Foust
Bryan
"Peggy" <phut...@syix.com> wrote in message
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John
the lady is not even in the ground and all you can do is bad mouth her.
If you have nothing nice to say just don't say shit. Give it a rest.
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For a bit more info, check the site above.
And guys, I know all too well how you feel, but John is right. Patti was
messed up, unhappy mean person. But she did not deserve, no one deserves to be
brutally murdered. She had years of bad feelings that ate her soul up.
Please, don't some of you do the same.
She is at rest now hopefully; thinking, wishing or feeling bad thoughts towards
her only will hurt YOU.
I just can't believe this happened. I listened to these people over and over
again on the phone and saw them together at hearings.
What a horrid mess. Somewhere, that family must have a curse riding over their
heads.
gloria
WlfDogRSQ
little sister but had to constantly grow up in her shadow. I heard enough from
her and her mother on the phone to state that honestly.
Only God does know everything she witnessed and was told. I know she was used
by Patti (at least in the phone conversations we had) and that she did whatever
Patti said to do. She also held her ground with her father; not in a way I
would want for my kids, but she was a strong minded kid even at 8 years of age.
Bottom line, she is a child. And a child who has been thru hell. I hope and
pray she can get over this kind of tragedy. Something her mother could not or
would not do.
This child needs more than condolences and help; she needs a miracle. I pray
God grants her that.
gloria
<<
Ya know, I was sitting here talking to hubby about this and y'all know
what's really sad? Patty's child is ten years old. That would make her
two or so when Angie was killed. During her rather formative years, she
watches her mom drink (if Patti was actually an alcoholic) and witnesses
her parents sueing her grandparents. God knows what kind of fights she
observed between Patti and Patti's family (Patti's parents and siblings)--all
of this before the age of 10. And after one decade of life, she gets slammed
with the coup de grace: her father kills her mother. My heart really goes
to this child.
Kim >>
Peggy
I have to agree with you - however - when you first hear the news...before
the reality of it sinks in...I think most people's reaction will be the same
as was indicated here. I know mine was. As time proceeded though - I
thought about Patti's 10 year old daughter, Sam....how awful for her...and
Patti's parents. No one deserves to die in this way. Patti may have done
alot of things to our companions of choice, I most certainly had plenty of
unkind words with her, but I would have never, in all my life wished her to
die in this horrible way, or in any way for that matter. I pray The Great
Spirit has shown her the truth and will provide comfort and peace to those
she leaves behind.
Peg
WlfDogRSQ <wlfd...@aol.com> wrote in message
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dw
A.James Gambrini
Tony
A.James Gambrini
Tony
A.James Gambrini
Tony
Gwragedd Annwn wrote:
>
> Ya know, I was sitting here talking to hubby about this and y'all know
> what's really sad? Patty's child is ten years old. That would make her
> two or so when Angie was killed. During her rather formative years,
> she watches her mom drink (if Patti was actually an alcoholic) and
> witnesses her parents sueing her grandparents. God knows what kind of
> fights she observed between Patti and Patti's family (Patti's parents
> and siblings)--all of this before the age of 10. And after one decade
> of life, she gets slammed with the coup de grace: her father kills her
> mother. My heart really goes to this child.
>
> Kim
>
> --
> The Wolfdog
> http://www.fiu.edu/~milesk
>
> "It's a great pity the right to free speech isn't based on the
> obligation to say something sensible."
> --Unknown
>
Janine Heimerich
Brutality such as that is intolerable, period.
I think it's difficult, though, to separate one's feelings about how Patti
*lived* from feelings about her death. The fact that she is dead doesn't
change the neglect that killed Angie, nor the shameless exploitation of Angie's
death to further her "cause."
Am I callous in that I rationalize her death as karma? Maybe. But I don't
think so.
I do know that she is in a place now that will allow her to be the kind of
loving, attentive mother that she should have been to Angie a long time ago --
and I'm happy for the peace it will bring both of them. My heart goes out to
Samantha, because her mother's death is surely only symptomatic of what life
with family such as hers must be like... What a mess. What a tragic, awful
mess.
-- J
sky...@my-deja.com
why are you singing the witch song? why is anyone
saying cruel mean vicious things like good
riddance?? do you have children ? have you ever
lost a parent as a child? in a childs eyes a
parent can do no wrong.....how do you think these
words relate to what kind of person you yourself
are portraying to the world? ya know someday
something may happen to you, and how do you want
people to talk about you?. I am tired of the
shameless, disrespectful mean cruel things said
about the woman. She was not the Wd enemy we are
our own enemies and only us....one person could
not hold so much power there had to be good
reason she was able to spearhead the movement.
and why was that? why because of irresponsibility
on behalf of wd owners, and breeders.
This baby girl has no mother...good , bad ,
whatever kind of mother she was she was still a
mother and I have no doubt she loved that
child.....Heaven forbid if she should ever hear
such things. Patti more than likely lived with
a lot of turmoil and pain, till the end and now
her daughter carries a legacy on her little
shoulders, and you call Patti mean....statements
such as this are mean....are you? Sky
(Wolf Valley Ranch)
Every Sunrise; Every Soul is Born Again
In article <20000925092933.10853.00000793@ng-
fn1.aol.com>,
j9j...@aol.comnocaca (Janine Heimerich) wrote:
> Ding, dong, the wd-maligner is dead...
>
> -- J
>
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Before you buy.
moonshyne
I agree that some of the comments are unkind, and I hope Sam, the
remaining child, receives the care and love she deserves, but Patti
Nickerson Manning was an enemy of wolfdogs and made no bones about it
even though there was no proof that Ivan (or any of the animals
involved) were wolfdogs. This idea wasn't even mentioned until long
after the original incident - maybe about the time Beth Duman became
involved and Patti sued her relatives?
She was often rude and cruel to people who opposed her. She lied.
She deceived. She used any and everyone she could, including her
daughter(s) in the service of her fanaticism. Is all of that wiped
out because she's dead? It may not be up to us to render a final
Judgement, but she chose her own lifepath and the memories she left
behind, as we all do.
She could have chosen a positive route; to support the types of
organizations that promote responsible ownership, such as SODA
(Survivors Of Dangerous Animals, http://www.neosoft.com/~soda/ ) and
every responsible canine owner in the country would have supported and
helped her. I politely suggested this route to her several years ago
and she completely rejected the idea in very impolite terms. Her
choice instead was to dwell in the negative; vengence against ALL
wolfdogs, regardless of how responsible the owners might or might not
be.
I mourn for her children, for her wasted, twisted life, but find it
difficult to mourn her.
moonshyne
Bryan Foust
used her daugters death to forward a campaign to ban ownership of an animal
that had nothing to do with her daughters death. She commited acts of
perjury and fraud to carry on her "crusade," when fact of the matter was
that she bore the brunt of the responsibility of what happened to her
daughter due to neglect. Read the police report. I have. While I will not
make claim to know what her surviving daughter is going through, I will say
that I personally carry a feeling of relief in the knowledge that she will
no longer have to put up with her mothers charade. Maybe her grandparents
will supply her with the love and care that a child should have, instead of
bearing the load of a made up BS story regarding her sisters death. While I
do wish her daughter well, I stand by my stance that the community in
Michigan is finally relieved of a person that needed to be gone - even if it
was through a senseless violent act.
Bryan
<sky...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8qq6ru$f3t$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Richard Bishop
I'm a lurker on this group. I know of Patti and Gloria. Most folks here
don't know that
Gloria has been harassing Patti for years, calling her, making extremely
hateful remarks,
posting hideous claims, stalking her. Gloria also started stalking me a
couple of years
ago after I posted about a wolf-hybrid attack in our area. She spent hours
on the phone,
calling all sorts of people in my area, pretending to be a reporter. She
bragged about knowing
where I live, what I look like, what my family is like, all sorts of really
scary stuff. She even
contacted the woman in our area who was attacked by the wolf-hybrid and told
her all
kind of lies, saying I was insulting her on the internet and encouraged her
to call my house
and make threats.
Gloria had been calling Patti's house repeatedly during the last few weeks,
goading her and
calling her names and harassing her and her husband. The tensions and
problems in Patti's
house were directly influenced by Gloria's harassment and hatred.
I've been contacted by others in the Michigan area who have been stalked by
Gloria. Be
very careful with this woman. She's vicious and hateful. She even tried
posting on groups
where I've been posting for years, trying to smear me and calling me all
sorts of names.
Sue
A.James Gambrini
at the hands of an alcholic. Typical "white trash".
Tony
A.James Gambrini
Tony
A.James Gambrini
Good riddance to Patti.
Tony
Richard Bishop
A.James Gambrini <Cuddly...@hotmail.nospamcom> wrote in message
news:39D139...@hotmail.nospamcom...
> Gloria is pretty. Patti was ugly with a horrendous personality. She died
> at the hands of an alcholic. Typical "white trash".
>
Let's see, you say that because 'Gloria is pretty', she's a better person?
What a shallow mind you have.
NO ONE deserves to be stalked. It seems that Gloria has been making
repeated
harassing phone calls, over and over, to Patti's house recently. This
obviously contributed
to the tension in the house. Gloria bears quite a bit of the blame for
Patti's death.
After Gloria started stalking me, I was contacted by quite a few people in
Michigan
who had had problems with Gloria.
Gloria's 'winning personality' and 'influence on people' is directly
responsible for the
passage of the wolf-hybrid law in Michigan. She alienated so many of the
lawmakers
that they were happy to vote on the law.
Way to go, Gloria, you actually made the law happen. Good for you.
And, by the way, if you EVER make ANY move to try to contact me again, I
will
file stalking charges against you and do my best to get you convicted. I
already have
several people who are quite pleased at the chance to testify how you act.
Sue
WlfDogRSQ
person, Sue Bishop.
I sent an email yesterday to Bishop stating that though she (Sue) and I had
never been pals (in fact, I have her on tape telling a woman to get a gun and
use it against me), I knew she had befriended Patti and thought she should know
what had happened. My email to her was short polite and honest.
Sue Bishop responded with hatred. Insults and threats as was usual. I have had
to block that email address.
Bishop's response was nothing short of evil. She is a sick old woman who has
been caught stealing animals and selling them for her own profit. She
constantly harasses me with every post I make, whether on horses, wolf dogs or
whatever.
If I am lying Susie dear, DO take me to court. Something you and Patti had in
common. Ranting on and on and on, in hopes some idiot would believe you. But
guess what? Stating facts is not lying, i.e., slander....it is just facts.
Better call Shirley and quick.
Better yet, disappear into the abyss you came from...Hell. Satan misses you :
D
Though hang on folks, Sue Bishop has a string of aliases that are sure to
surface soon. Right Susie?
gloria :)
PS Thanks Tony
Greg Largent
would have been stalked by Gloria or anyone else and Patti had the proof
to prove it, Patti would have certainly filed some kind of charges
against Gloria.
It is no secret that Patti and Gloria were not best of friends. Both
most likely phoned each other at different points of time. YOU seem to
know alot about the supposed stalking of Patti.
IF you have or can provide proof positive that you have been stalked,
them present that evidence to your local Attorney General's office and
file charges - otherwise, stop wasting our time with such dribble.
Patti's home life and problems with her husband of late can NOT be
blamed on anyone other than Patti and her husband. Maybe the strain of
Patti's lies over the past 11 years finally caught up with her and her
husband. Who knows. Maybe take your anger towards Gloria and attend
the trial of Mr. Manning to find the answers you seek.
Care to explain to all that don't know of you just how you know so much
of the history of the dealings of the struggle in Michigan? Why should
anyone believe what you have to say as you are, as you stated, a
lurker??
Greg.
--
"If you always insist on saying what you think,
don't expect to hear only what you like"
Your help is needed to fight the Shambala Bill, HSUS, PETA
and others who would deny RESPONSIBLE ownership.
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Albert Wynne
> >
>
> I'm a lurker on this group. I know of Patti and Gloria. Most
> folks here don't know that Gloria has been harassing Patti for
> years, calling her, making extremely hateful remarks, posting
> hideous claims, stalking her. Gloria also started stalking me a
> couple of years ago after I posted about a wolf-hybrid attack in our
> area. She spent hours on the phone, calling all sorts of people in
> my area, pretending to be a reporter. She bragged about knowing
> where I live, what I look like, what my family is like, all sorts
> of really scary stuff. She even contacted the woman in our area
> who was attacked by the wolf-hybrid and told her all kind of lies,
> saying I was insulting her on the internet and encouraged her to
> call my house and make threats. Gloria had been calling Patti's
> house repeatedly during the last few weeks, goading her and
> calling her names and harassing her and her husband. The
> tensions and problems in Patti's house were directly influenced
> by Gloria's harassment and hatred. I've been contacted by others
> in the Michigan area who have been stalked by Gloria. Be very
> careful with this woman. She's vicious and hateful. She even
> tried posting on groups where I've been posting for years, trying
> to smear me and calling me all sorts of names.
>
> Sue
Sue, are you saying that Gloria's actions could have contributed
to Patti's death?
Gloria, how could you do this?
Albert
WlfDogRSQ
are.........crap.
So folks with hearts can read and know what you are all about, I give you the
following:
<<I'm a lurker on this group. I know of Patti and Gloria.>>
Bullshit Sue; one both counts. You are not a lurker and you don't know either
Patti or myslef
<<Most folks here
don't know that
Gloria has been harassing Patti for years, calling her, making extremely
hateful remarks,
posting hideous claims, stalking her. Gloria also started stalking me a
couple of years
ago after I posted about a wolf-hybrid attack in our area. >>
Had to snip as Sue usually rants on and on.
Uh Susie honey....you need to PROVE the stuff you make up in your head. Not
just ramble on as you do.
Do tell, HOW did I stalk Patti? How did I stalk you? No proof? How
obvious.....it never happened. Duh
<< The tensions and
problems in Patti's
house were directly influenced by Gloria's harassment and hatred.>>
You know what bitch, you are quickly looking at your old fat ass being dragged
into a prosecutors office.
The 'tensions and problems' in Patti's house, dear Sue Bishop, moron at large,
are due to guilt and obvious, READ THE DAMN PAPER troll bait, alcohol involved
nut cases. You would do best, at this point to go the way you came.
<<I've been contacted by others in the Michigan area who have been stalked by
Gloria. >>
Oh really <g> This is getting good. Surely (not Shirley) you can provide these
names? Careful old bitch, I do have facts and are ready to use them. You on
the other hand, just have a handful of lies........ah, AND skeletons in the
closet. :)
By the way, thank you for your reference; You are correct, I am a woman. You
on the other hand are shriveled up old piece of crap. You proved that
yesterday beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Maybe that tornado missed you (Ohio) but not by far. Hope you have your cards
in order before next time.
God bless. We all know you need that.
A.James Gambrini
the next time? Ruff got a little too close the last time. rotflmao
Tony
A.James Gambrini
Tony
Albert Wynne wrote:
>
> > Richard Bishop wrote:
> > >
> >
> > I'm a lurker on this group. I know of Patti and Gloria. Most
> > folks here don't know that Gloria has been harassing Patti for
> > years, calling her, making extremely hateful remarks, posting
> > hideous claims, stalking her. Gloria also started stalking me a
> > couple of years ago after I posted about a wolf-hybrid attack in our
> > area. She spent hours on the phone, calling all sorts of people in
> > my area, pretending to be a reporter. She bragged about knowing
> > where I live, what I look like, what my family is like, all sorts
> > of really scary stuff. She even contacted the woman in our area
> > who was attacked by the wolf-hybrid and told her all kind of lies,
> > saying I was insulting her on the internet and encouraged her to
> > call my house and make threats. Gloria had been calling Patti's
> > house repeatedly during the last few weeks, goading her and
> > calling her names and harassing her and her husband. The
> > tensions and problems in Patti's house were directly influenced
> > by Gloria's harassment and hatred. I've been contacted by others
A.James Gambrini
lawmakers! She squeaked too much and "HUBBY" "WHACKED HER LAME ASS"!!
Patti had a horrible personality. She would pick fights with brick
walls!
Tony
sky...@my-deja.com
and just as I don't blindly listen to what someone I'm familiar with
says I am definately not going to listen to such things about what you
say about Gloria, until I saw proof before my eyes. You are doing
exactly what I am posting about saying things that will obviously set
people off. She has not threatened me, or anything else so I have no
problem with her, just as I have no problem with you. I don't think
it's right to say things publically about anyone that is demeaning and
cruel and noone has anything to verify truths and untruths that is what
I do have a problem with.
If what you say is true that is a private matter for the courts,
these are very dangerous accusations you make and they trouble me
deeply. I know is someone said this about me publically it would
indeed wind up in court, as reputation is important to us. If you have
this proof then go to the local authorities and present it to
them..... I cannot believe how much hatred and venom there is out
there in regards to wd's, for the life of me I am trying to understand
such ugliness in the ethers, geesh. Sky (Wolf Valley Ranch)
In article <8qr1tl$seb$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,
sky...@my-deja.com
across as stating your points effectively, not name calling, demeaning
etc. Wd folk are making a name for themselves and if it was all based
on some of the ugly posts I have seen we would be even worse off than
we currently are.
I cannot relate to some of the ugliness being tossed around, Patti
was accused of staying in the past, but who helped to keep her there?
looks like I have seen some pretty obsessed wd folk as well in regards
to this issue, emotions running higher than heart and thought
sometimes. I know for a fact if what happened over there happened here
I would remain calm in the face of it all, if Patti was here screaming
at me at some kind of meeting...there would never be a point of
faltering in my calmness, kindness and heart facing such an emotional
issue.
Placing the same ugliness Patti was holding inside myself would only
take away the much needed strength I would need to fight such lies. I
am currently trying to educate some local ranchers about my educational
facility I am working on, they are all he** bent set that they won't
want no wild dangerous wolves there escpecially since we already have a
local wild pack that they think my animals would bring even closer to
their cows, when I confront these people in person, one became very
quiet and polite actually not wanting to say to my face, what he has
gossiped about to others....one was rude, which means nothing to me as
I will continue to educate and show him in time I am for real, and two
other land owners are now okay by us.
I had and still do have to understand the world they came from in order
to go onto their level of thought if I just thought to he** with them
I'll do what i please I would be further behind not out ahead.
reacting to their anger and their solid beliefs about such animals with
anger does nothing for me. So I guess my question is what does so much
hatred and anger do for anyone else? this question is to not be
disrespectful of those that have had to directly deal with Patti either.
This to me is not about being politially correct it is simply respect
pure and simple even in the face of disrespect.
What if in ten years Sam decides to take up where her mother left off?
is there going to be reflection of the hatred so many felt for her
mother onto her? Have no doubt she has seen and heard it all from both
sides, (if) she was brainwashed then she needs factual info, as she may
very well turn everything tragic that has happened in her life onto it
being the entire fault of the WD community. Lets hope, she does
indeed get lots of love and guidance to help her sort through truths
and lies and the anger she herself will find herself holding all too
soon. And pray she won't one day hold it against us because of stories
told.
Am I going to change anyones opinion? no I know this, I just had to say
something about decency and who and what we want to portray our own
selves as. Sky (Wolf Valley Ranch)
In article <39D0E0F9...@bellsouth.net>,
Gwragedd Annwn <gwra...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
> <html>
> Hi Sky. I agree with what Moonshyne has to say. Many were enemies of
Patti's.
> While I didn't hate her or anything, I objected to the stance she took
> on wds and the reasonings behind it. But I was able to maintain some
emotional
> detachment since I'm about 2000 miles removed from her and her state.
Those
> who fought her on a constant basis or who butted heads with her in the
> NGs and BBs weren't allowed the luxury of that detachment and for them
> to mourn her death would be hypocritical. Actually, I'd find it hard
to
> believe that any wd person would actually "mourn" her death at all.
> <p>I don't think any here would have wished upon Patti that which
actually
> happened to her. In fact, many might empathize with the whole "husband
> blows away wife" issue, but that's vastly different from mourning
Patti.
> Sam is another story, though. I truly think all of us mourn for or
sympathize
> with Sam, her daughter, for the circumstances in which she has landed
through
> absolutely no fault of her own.
> <p>Sam seems to be an abused pawn in a deadly and rather twisted game
that
> responsible adults/parents shouldn't have been playing in the first
place:
> witnessing her mom's bandwagon attempts to exterminate an animal that
may
> or may not have had a role in killing Angie; the lawsuit her parents
launched
> against her grandparents; living in the shadow of her dead sister;
losing
> one parent to the shotgun <?> blast of another parent; losing her
remaining
> parent to prison; etc.
> <p>Patti's death was a terrible way for anyone to go. But mourning her
> would be hypocritical for many wd folks; and making a martyr out of
her
> death is what actually terrifies me. I cringe at the thought that her
death
> might bring about an even more fervent movement to eradicate wolfdogs.
> Deceased martyrs have more power than the living, and it is really
spooky
> to think that Patti Nickerson might somehow get elevated to that
position.
> That would just be too much of a twisted irony in the face of what we
wd
> owners already have to face.
> <p>Kim
> <p>sky...@my-deja.com wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>why are you singing the witch song? why is
anyone
> <br>saying cruel mean vicious things like good
> <br>riddance?? do you have children ? have you ever
> <br>lost a parent as a child? in a childs eyes a
> <br>parent can do no wrong.....how do you think these
> <br>words relate to what kind of person you yourself
> <br>are portraying to the world? ya know someday
> <br>something may happen to you, and how do you want
> <br>people to talk about you?. I am tired of the
> <br>shameless, disrespectful mean cruel things said
> <br>about the woman. She was not the Wd enemy we are
> <br>our own enemies and only us....one person could
> <br>not hold so much power there had to be good
> <br>reason she was able to spearhead the movement.
> <br>and why was that? why because of irresponsibility
> <br>on behalf of wd owners, and breeders.
> <p>This baby girl has no mother...good , bad ,
> <br>whatever kind of mother she was she was still a
> <br>mother and I have no doubt she loved that
> <br>child.....Heaven forbid if she should ever hear
> <br>such things. Patti more than likely lived with
> <br>a lot of turmoil and pain, till the end and now
> <br>her daughter carries a legacy on her little
> <br>shoulders, and you call Patti mean....statements
> <br>such as this are mean....are you?
> Sky
> <br>(Wolf Valley Ranch)
> <br> Every Sunrise;
Every
> Soul is Born Again
> <p>In article <20000925092933.10853.00000793@ng-
> <br>fn1.aol.com>,
> <br> j9j...@aol.comnocaca (Janine Heimerich) wrote:
> <br>> Ding, dong, the wd-maligner is dead...
> <br>>
> <br>> -- J
> <br>>
> <br>> << Homicide in Richmond Township
> <br>>
> <br>> Richmond Township (September 24)
> <br>>
> <br>> The
State
> Police are investigating a
> <br>homicide in Richmond
> <br>> Township.
> <br>> Law enforcement officials say they received a 9-
> <br>1-1 call around 5:30
> <br>> yesterday morning from 44 year old Donald
> <br>Manning. In that call, Manning
> <br>> told
> <br>> the dispatch that he had shot his wife.
> <br>Troopers from the Negaunee State
> <br>> Police Post along with officers from Forsyth
> <br>Township Police and Negaunee
> <br>> City Police Department arrived at the residence
> <br>to find Patti Manning dead
> <br>> of
> <br>> a gun shot wound.
> <br>> Manning is currently being held in
> the
> <br>Marquette County Jail. No
> <br>> charges
> <br>> have been filed yet. The couple had a 10 year
> <br>old daughter, who was not in
> <br>> the house at that morning.
> <br>> According to police, Manning's
wife
> was
> <br>Patti Nickerson-Manning. She
> <br>> spear-headed the efforts to fight the dog-wolf
> <br>hybrid. Her daughter Angie
> <br>> was
> <br>> killed by one in National Mine back in 1989.
> <br>She made an effort to help
> <br>> others know more about the animal and how to
> <br>avert future attacks.
> <br>> >>
> <br>>
> <br>>
> <p>Sent via Deja.com <a
href="http://www.deja.com/">http://www.deja.com/</a>
> <br>Before you buy.</blockquote>
>
> <p>--
> <br>The Wolfdog
> <br><A
HREF="http://www.fiu.edu/~milesk">http://www.fiu.edu/~milesk</A>
> <p>"It's a great pity the right to free speech isn't based on the
obligation
> to say something sensible."
> <br>--Unknown
> <br> </html>
Peggy
What you describe and what Patti described as *stalking* by Gloria - if
indeed true - isn't stalking. My daughter was criminally stalked. The
perpetrator ended up in going to jail and my daughter was scared for life.
What you have described is maybe some over exuberance on Gloria's part and
may not even be right...no doubt it was harassing to you (If entirely true -
although I doubt it). Alot of times someone will do something to us or say
something and our imaginations work over-time in *correcting* the problem
in our mind. Although I've never met Gloria in person, I have talked to her
several times on the phone. I really don't see how she would have time to
*stalk* anyone - much less harass them with phone call and such - the woman
has a house full of children. Everytime I have talked with her by phone, the
children were being children and needed her almost constant attention.
Gloria is a Mom and is involved in alot of other activities - but I
seriously doubt those activities include *stalking* and *harassing*.
Peg
Richard Bishop <bis...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8qr1tl$seb$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...
> > why are you singing the witch song? why is anyone
> > saying cruel mean vicious things like good
> > riddance?? do you have children ? have you ever
> > lost a parent as a child? in a childs eyes a
> > parent can do no wrong.....how do you think these
> > words relate to what kind of person you yourself
> > are portraying to the world? ya know someday
> > something may happen to you, and how do you want
> > people to talk about you?. I am tired of the
> > shameless, disrespectful mean cruel things said
> > about the woman. She was not the Wd enemy we are
> > our own enemies and only us....one person could
> > not hold so much power there had to be good
> > reason she was able to spearhead the movement.
> > and why was that? why because of irresponsibility
> > on behalf of wd owners, and breeders.
> >
> > This baby girl has no mother...good , bad ,
> > whatever kind of mother she was she was still a
> > mother and I have no doubt she loved that
> > child.....Heaven forbid if she should ever hear
> > such things. Patti more than likely lived with
> > a lot of turmoil and pain, till the end and now
> > her daughter carries a legacy on her little
> > shoulders, and you call Patti mean....statements
> > such as this are mean....are you? Sky
> > (Wolf Valley Ranch)
> > Every Sunrise; Every Soul is Born Again
> >
> >
> > In article <20000925092933.10853.00000793@ng-
> > fn1.aol.com>,
> > j9j...@aol.comnocaca (Janine Heimerich) wrote:
> > > Ding, dong, the wd-maligner is dead...
> > >
> > > -- J
> > >
> > > << Homicide in Richmond Township
> > >
> > > Richmond Township (September 24)
> > >
> > > The State Police are investigating a
> > homicide in Richmond
> > > Township.
> > > Law enforcement officials say they received a 9-
> > 1-1 call around 5:30
> > > yesterday morning from 44 year old Donald
> > Manning. In that call, Manning
> > > told
> > > the dispatch that he had shot his wife.
> > Troopers from the Negaunee State
> > > Police Post along with officers from Forsyth
> > Township Police and Negaunee
> > > City Police Department arrived at the residence
> > to find Patti Manning dead
> > > of
> > > a gun shot wound.
> > > Manning is currently being held in the
> > Marquette County Jail. No
> > > charges
> > > have been filed yet. The couple had a 10 year
> > old daughter, who was not in
> > > the house at that morning.
> > > According to police, Manning's wife was
> > Patti Nickerson-Manning. She
> > > spear-headed the efforts to fight the dog-wolf
> > hybrid. Her daughter Angie
> > > was
> > > killed by one in National Mine back in 1989.
> > She made an effort to help
> > > others know more about the animal and how to
> > avert future attacks.
Peggy
Don't stoop to her level....I know it's maddening....but don't due it, she's
not worth it.
Peg
WlfDogRSQ <wlfd...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000926200557...@ng-fi1.aol.com...
Richard Bishop
Albert Wynne <wyn...@congodark.net> wrote in message
news:39D12FF0...@congodark.net...
> > Richard Bishop wrote:
> > >
> >
> > I'm a lurker on this group. I know of Patti and Gloria. Most
> > folks here don't know that Gloria has been harassing Patti for
> > years, calling her, making extremely hateful remarks, posting
> > hideous claims, stalking her. Gloria also started stalking me a
> > couple of years ago after I posted about a wolf-hybrid attack in our
> > my area, pretending to be a reporter. She bragged about knowing
> > where I live, what I look like, what my family is like, all sorts
> > of really scary stuff. She even contacted the woman in our area
> > who was attacked by the wolf-hybrid and told her all kind of lies,
> > saying I was insulting her on the internet and encouraged her to
> > call my house and make threats. Gloria had been calling Patti's
> > house repeatedly during the last few weeks, goading her and
> > tensions and problems in Patti's house were directly influenced
> > in the Michigan area who have been stalked by Gloria. Be very
> > careful with this woman. She's vicious and hateful. She even
> > tried posting on groups where I've been posting for years, trying
> > to smear me and calling me all sorts of names.
> >
> > Sue
>
> to Patti's death?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Gloria repeatedly called Patti, called
her all sorts
of names, poked fun at her for being a grieving mother, told her it was her
fault her child
had died, went up to her in public and harassed her. I have witnesses to
this who told me
about it. Patti was not a perfect person. But she did not deserve the
hatefulness that
Gloria heaped on her for years. Gloria even drove hundreds of miles to
where Patti's
family lived and pretended to be a sympathetic reporter to gather any info
she could get
to use to attack Patti.
I've had to block my phone so Gloria could not call me repeatedly.
>
> Gloria, how could you do this?
>
She is one sick arrogant fuck.
Sue
> Albert
Richard Bishop
Greg Largent <Star...@rockford.com> wrote in message
news:39D12833...@rockford.com...
> First, are you Richard or Sue? Secondly, I would imagine that IF Patti
> would have been stalked by Gloria or anyone else and Patti had the proof
> to prove it, Patti would have certainly filed some kind of charges
> against Gloria.
>
Patti considered doing it.
> It is no secret that Patti and Gloria were not best of friends. Both
> most likely phoned each other at different points of time. YOU seem to
> know alot about the supposed stalking of Patti.
I received email from several people detailing the events. I know of people
in
Michigan who opposed Gloria and then started receiveing anonymous death
threats.
>
> IF you have or can provide proof positive that you have been stalked,
> them present that evidence to your local Attorney General's office and
> file charges - otherwise, stop wasting our time with such dribble.
Evidence is being collected. Have you ever been stalked? It's a scary
thing
and can be difficult to prove.
>
> Patti's home life and problems with her husband of late can NOT be
> blamed on anyone other than Patti and her husband. Maybe the strain of
> Patti's lies over the past 11 years finally caught up with her and her
> husband. Who knows. Maybe take your anger towards Gloria and attend
> the trial of Mr. Manning to find the answers you seek.
I'm not the only one who is gathering evidence. Quite a bit of stuff is
being turned over
to the authorities, even as I post this. If you don't think a tense
situation can't be
worsened by harassment from an outside party, then you are naive.
>
> Care to explain to all that don't know of you just how you know so much
> of the history of the dealings of the struggle in Michigan? Why should
> anyone believe what you have to say as you are, as you stated, a
> lurker??
I know quite a bit because people in Michigan contacted me after Gloria
started making
hateful posts about me all over the net. She even showed up in various
groups where she
had never posted before and where I frequently post, making all sorts of
insane claims.
She was shouted down by my many friends. After she started making all sorts
of attempts
to contact me by phone and in person, begging me to allow her to drive
hundreds of miles
to come 'visit' me, I started keeping info on all of this. And the email I
received from others
in Michigan, giving me info on how they had started getting threatening
phone calls after
disagreeing with her, certainly made me very wary.
As for the situation in Michigan, it's been repeatedly posted on this group.
As a lurker,
I DO read the posts. Duh.
Sue
Richard Bishop
you
> are.........crap.
>
> So folks with hearts can read and know what you are all about, I give you
the
> following:
>
> <<I'm a lurker on this group. I know of Patti and Gloria.>>
>
> Bullshit Sue; one both counts. You are not a lurker and you don't know
either
> Patti or myslef
>
F for failed reading comprehesion. I know OF you. And I know OF Patti. As
for being
a lurker, perhaps you need to learn what that word means on the internet.
It means someone
who READS the group but does not POST.
> <<Most folks here
> don't know that
> Gloria has been harassing Patti for years, calling her, making extremely
> hateful remarks,
> posting hideous claims, stalking her. Gloria also started stalking me a
> couple of years
> ago after I posted about a wolf-hybrid attack in our area. >>
>
> Had to snip as Sue usually rants on and on.
> Uh Susie honey....you need to PROVE the stuff you make up in your head.
Not
> just ramble on as you do.
>
> Do tell, HOW did I stalk Patti? How did I stalk you? No proof? How
> obvious.....it never happened. Duh
So, you didn't make hours of phone calls to all sorts of people in my area?
Funny, I don't
think your phone records will be expunged by the phone company. And
pretending to
be a reporter isn't quite nice. And I do'nt have several emails where you
said you tried
to call me? I also don't have several emails where you repeatedly begged me
to call you?
I also don't have copies of posts where you claimed to have all sorts of
info about me,
what I look like. And where you have made comments that you have lots of
information
about my children?
>
> << The tensions and
> problems in Patti's
> house were directly influenced by Gloria's harassment and hatred.>>
>
> You know what bitch, you are quickly looking at your old fat ass being
dragged
> into a prosecutors office.
Go ahead. I dare you. Tell me again how you are going to sue me. Lots of
money dumped
into legal fees should really make your hubby happy.
>
> The 'tensions and problems' in Patti's house, dear Sue Bishop, moron at
large,
> are due to guilt and obvious, READ THE DAMN PAPER troll bait, alcohol
involved
> nut cases. You would do best, at this point to go the way you came.
How many times did you talk to Patti on the phone in the days before?
>
> <<I've been contacted by others in the Michigan area who have been stalked
by
> Gloria. >>
>
> Oh really <g> This is getting good. Surely (not Shirley) you can provide
these
> names? Careful old bitch, I do have facts and are ready to use them. You
on
> the other hand, just have a handful of lies........ah, AND skeletons in
the
> closet. :)
No lies. Truth. Sleep tight tonight Gloria, the true sociopaths have no
feelings of
guilt.
>
> By the way, thank you for your reference; You are correct, I am a woman.
You
> on the other hand are shriveled up old piece of crap. You proved that
> yesterday beyond a shadow of a doubt.
ROTFL. You lack any of the attributes for wisdom. Dumb blonde fits, from
what I've
heard from those who've met you.
>
> Maybe that tornado missed you (Ohio) but not by far. Hope you have your
cards
> in order before next time.
Ah, I see. An oblique death wish in my direction. Typical.
>
> God bless. We all know you need that.
We all need God's blessings. You, however, need his forgiveness for the
pain you repeatedly
inflicted on a grieving mother.
>
>
>
Sue
Richard Bishop
A.James Gambrini <Cuddly...@hotmail.nospamcom> wrote in message
> Gloria, you can stalk me anytime you want. But can I please tie you up
> the next time? Ruff got a little too close the last time. rotflmao
>
OOOH, so Gloria is into S&M? Does her husban know or did he participate?
Sue
Richard Bishop
> I did what I thought was right. Patti made friends with an equally
twisted
> person, Sue Bishop.
>
> I sent an email yesterday to Bishop stating that though she (Sue) and I
had
> never been pals (in fact, I have her on tape telling a woman to get a gun
and
> use it against me), I knew she had befriended Patti and thought she should
know
> what had happened. My email to her was short polite and honest.
>
> Sue Bishop responded with hatred. Insults and threats as was usual. I have
had
> to block that email address.
>
Care to post my email? I told you to never contact me again, along with
pointing out
your guilt.
> Bishop's response was nothing short of evil. She is a sick old woman who
has
> been caught stealing animals and selling them for her own profit. She
> constantly harasses me with every post I make, whether on horses, wolf
dogs or
> whatever.
>
That is utter and complete libel. Thanks, Gloria, for giving me more
ammunition. I have
NEVER stole any animals, I have never sold any animals that were not mine.
I have
a very upstanding reputation in my community.
As for 'constantly harassing you with every post you make' anyone who wants
to check
dejanews can find out that is a lie.
And, on another note, Gloria thinks anyone who is older than she is is
'old'. One can only
hope she someday realizes the only option she has is to die young.
> If I am lying Susie dear, DO take me to court. Something you and Patti
had in
> common. Ranting on and on and on, in hopes some idiot would believe you.
But
> guess what? Stating facts is not lying, i.e., slander....it is just
facts.
> Better call Shirley and quick.
>
Seems to me you were the one who has done lots of threats of legal action.
Go ahead, I'm
waiting.
> Better yet, disappear into the abyss you came from...Hell. Satan misses
you :
> D
>
> Though hang on folks, Sue Bishop has a string of aliases that are sure to
> surface soon. Right Susie?
I've never used an alias. You, however, have a long string of them,
including the one you used
to get past filters I'd set up to block any email from you. You even used
one to try to pretend
you were Patti by getting one that was only one letter off the one she used.
Sue
WlfDogRSQ
make things up in your head and rant on and on is beyond comprehension.
Never have I phoned you. I phoned the local sheriff's department to find out
about a wolf dog attack you posted about years ago. Guess what? You lied
about nearly every detail. Amusing how you think calling 3 people is stalking.
As for hours on the phone, indeed I did. However, the calls were made to me
by the humane officer and the wolf dog owner. Seems THEY wanted to talk to me.
Kinda hard for me to be 'stalking' them when they initiate the conversation,
no? <g>
It's called fact finding; something you don't do. All you do is concoct things
in that twisted head of yours. You need to REALLY get a life.
One of the three I called was the wolf dog owner, who YOU kept calling and
harassing. You stupidly left a message on her machine (which I still have)
telling her to get a gun, that I have warrants out for my arrest and
restraining orders. LOL! She thought you were so crazy she mailed the tape to
me.
I have never spoken to Patti in person, nor have ever pretended to be a
reporter. I have not spoken to Patti over the phone since 1998 when SHE
repeatedly called me. Caller id stated 16 times in one day. She routinely,
every few weeks or so, would instant message me with some sort of bs or
another.
Your accusations that I had something to do with her death shows the extent of
your warped mind. Your delusions of grandeur and self importance are amazing,
and your ability to lie shows just what a psychopath you truly are. You never
can back up any of your lies, can you? You just keep going and going, piling
lie upon lie until it's obvious even to a total stranger what a nut case you
are.
You found a friend in Patti because I publicly proved you lied about the wolf
dog attack and that pissed you off. Ever in search of anyone who disagreed
with me, Patti contacted you. And what a demented pair you made. You both got
so crazy and stupid that people on usenet, without even knowing me realized how
full of crap you were.
The sick arrogant fuck is you Sue Bishop. All anyone has to do is check your
dejanews profile and see what a certifiable creepy old woman you truly are.
You spend far too much time sitting on your large rear harassing people online.
Again, your posting history proves it. Even worse, you occasionally stoop to
harassing people by phone.
Has anyone noticed that Sue just arrived on this thread to do nothing but
insult and harass me? Hmmm, many would call THAT stalking Susie dear. Not a
regular poster on this board are you? You just had to do a search on where I
posted and show up trolling. Yup, that's called stalking...........
gloria :)
wolfa.123
Most of you seem to be genuinely sympathetic.
And some have ranted about good shes dead!
I take it those who feel that way, have never Lost a Loved one be it Human or
animal by
any other way but there own hands
You must be they type that likes to pull the heads off of live animals for fun.
I do not in any way condem you for your feelings or your actions.
But do us all a favor If you have nothing Nice to say WELL JUST KEEP IT IN YOUR
SICK LITTLE HEAD!!!!!!!!
I was Harrarsed buy the Two ladies my self and found a solution I just never
responded to THEM or any of the post's .
They go away people all on there own,its funney if you do not respond they go
away
I have posted and responded here a few times To see how many would JUMP on the
band wagon of instant hate and,Talk out load at the screen (you know who you
are)
You need to get a life and learn to LOL
at your self and others and stop judging
others and there opinoins.
I hope that Pattis daughter's life can become one of hope and become a full
person with out the Love of a parent .
And to the person's who will become her new parents and mentor's I wish you all
well and Dont let her read post's on the Internet .
FYI .
I am the proud alpha leader of a small pack of Wolf/dogs
Greg Largent
It just amazes me that this bullshit continues. Does that set the tone
for my mood? I have read all of the postings at least three times this
morning. Guess what my overall impression and conclusions are....
Sue comes out of the woodwork to take up right where Primrose/Beth/Patti
left off in other groups. Gloria feels compelled, rightfully to a
degree, to defend herself. Then the name calling and personal insults
start to fly. Here is my summary of these latest events.
I grow ever tired of reading this shit. Here is a clue for both of you.
File the damn charges IF you have the information and evidence to do so.
Until you DO have the information or evidence, I sure as hell don't care
to read about it or get phone calls about it. If you have a personal
problem with each other then take it to a private forum or meet
somewhere and beat the hell outta each other but this is kind of
bantering is childish, immature and gets old REAL FAST.
It comes down to put up or shut up. Sue, you have made some very
serious charges and statements. Can you prove any of them, other than
to say that you are collecting evidence and information to support your
claims?? IF either of you have such evidence, save us all the trouble
and embarrassment of witnessing any further outbreaks until you have
enough evidence that a lawyer would take the case - and if that does
happen, spare us all the posts about what will happen to the other.
It is a matter of public record that Patti Nickerson lied in her
statements to the Michigan legislature. It is a fact that the story of
Ivan the dog changed to being that of Ivan the wolfdog. It is a fact
that a skull study that Patti and Beth Duman claimed to have done by an
"expert" has never been seen on paper, only alluded to in statements by
Patti and Beth. It is a fact that Patti was killed by a gunshot wound.
It is a fact that this type of exchange dealing with wolfdogs does
NOTHING to better the name of those involved NOR does it do anything
positive, other than to cast all that have a stake or interest
in wolfdogs as being argumentative, shallow and foul mouthed. How does
that bode for those that are silent companions to this exchange? Not
very well.
I do believe that anyone has the right and duty to defend themselves
when charges or statements are made against them. Those rebuttal
statements have been made. It serves NO PURPOSE to continue in personal
attacks, foul language and moronic claims with no supporting evidence.
Sue - you have obviously come to this group with the intention of
getting a rise out of Gloria and all others. You have accomplished that
goal. As you have chosen to bring this to a public forum, why don't you
also bring forth your evidence, statements from witnesses or whatever
else you may have to THIS forum, since you seem to want the wolfdog
community to sit in judgment of Gloria. Do one of the following:
either put up or shut up. Most have been down this road before and I,
for one, grow tired of the tirades.
Gloria - As it would seem that Sue is collecting evidence on your
supposed phone calls to, harassment of and indirect involvement in the
death of Patti, what purpose does it serve to continue in the present
conversation dealing with Sue's postings? You have countered her
original statements and charges with your own statements in your
defense. Sue can rant and rave all she wants. Sue has presented
nothing of substance. Until she can or does, Sue looks the fool. Why
continue to join her in that position??
Stalking is a very serious allegation to make against anyone. I would
comment that to make such charges without being able to prove it could
be a legal nightmare for the originator of such charges. Think about it
and spare us all the problem of being called as witnesses in such a
proceeding of libel or slander.
Greg.
--
WlfDogRSQ
Do you actually read the crap you type? Again, a quick check on your posting
history reveals to all how you come up with the same stalking, suing, harassing
scenario with MANY people. At least one would expect a little bit variance in
your whines....surely all these people can't be harassing, stalking, calling
you, etc? My, my, you sure do seem to have an awful lot of enemies. Always
the police are investigating you claim, yet know ever seems to hear from these
phantom police, do they? <g>
<<I received email from several people detailing the events. I know of people
in
Michigan who opposed Gloria and then started receiveing anonymous death
threats.>>
Uh, you received several emails from Patti and no one else. Funny how you like
to tell everyone how intelligent you are and yet make such a stupid statement:
These "people" in your head who received 'anonymous' death threats; quite an
ASSumption you make stating it's me. Gee, if it was me I wonder where the
police are? Goodness, I must be quite foolish sending death threats as you say
and leaving all this evidence about, hmm? Funny how YOU are so sure it's me
but the police are stumped. Fact is not only have I NEVER sent anyone any death
threats, there never were any death threats. Sick tactic used by sick people
to get attention. Right up your alley Susie.
<<Evidence is being collected. Have you ever been stalked? It's a scary
thing
and can be difficult to prove.>>
You are such a joke. Do you realize for how many years you have claimed that
evidence is being collected against me and the others you continuously harass?
Gee whiz, the police involved must be absolute morons to be taking so much time
LOL. Stalking is quite easy to prove. When it actually exists. Not when a
psycho internet troll just makes crap up in her head as you have Sue dear.
<<I'm not the only one who is gathering evidence. Quite a bit of stuff is
being turned over
to the authorities, even as I post this. If you don't think a tense
situation can't be
worsened by harassment from an outside party, then you are naive.>>
And what authorities would these be? Your area police? Michigan State Police?
Marysville police? The FBI? Lordy, you are so hilarious! In a sick sort of
way. Last time you made all these claims that you had called my police, called
the prosecutors office, called my lawyer, I actually took you seriously. I
called Marysville police....never heard of you. No one ever called them about
me. Called State Police. Ditto. Called my attorney AND the prosecutors
office. Guess what? They never heard of you either. Whata surprise! And
guess what else? Others also believed your claims and checked me out for
themselves. Seems the sociopathic liar was and still is, you
<<I know quite a bit because people in Michigan contacted me after Gloria
started making
hateful posts about me all over the net. She even showed up in various
groups where she
had never posted before and where I frequently post, making all sorts of
insane claims.
She was shouted down by my many friends. After she started making all sorts
of attempts
to contact me by phone and in person, begging me to allow her to drive
hundreds of miles
to come 'visit' me, I started keeping info on all of this. And the email I
received from others
in Michigan, giving me info on how they had started getting threatening
phone calls after
disagreeing with her, certainly made me very wary.>>
As I said, a simple looksy at Sue Bishops posting record shows exactly how few
friends she has and what a loony toon she actually is. I never called you,
never contacted you and NEVER wanted to drive down the block to visit with
you. Rather self absorbed, aren't you?
Remember when you posted all over the net that I ran a puppy mill and wasn't a
real organization or true non profit? Even posted on a legal news groups. I
never did get an apology when I finally had enough of your babbling and posted
our EIN.
See, your problem is simple. Well, actually you have many problems, but the
most relevant here is that you never spoke to anyone in Michigan except Patti.
You made the mistake of believing her because you wanted to, not because she
was telling the truth.
As for being a lurker; you're not. Your an internet stalker and troll. Your
actions on this board and this thread show that clearly. Never mind that you
have an extensive history of harassing MANY people. I wonder, does Jeanne Hind
still has that web site on you? Hmm, will have to check on that <G>
YOU posted here doing EXACTLY what you claim I did to you. I believe your rant
was : "She even showed up in various groups where she
had never posted before and where I frequently post, making all sorts of insane
claims."
Wow Sue, sounds like exactly what you have done here. <VBG>
gloria :)
Michigan Wolf Dog Rescue
www.wolfdogs.org
Stormy
Why does the National Mine paper keep putting out the falacity that
Angie was killed by a wolfdog????
This is not fact. The newspaper is WRONG. It was never EVER proven
Ivan was a wolfdog. Who is talking to the reporter and giving false
facts? Duman?????
In Michigan anti-wolfdog legislation, or any other anti legislation for
that matter, will use these types of false statements.
This may seem petty to some but truth is truth.
It is sad about Patti's daughter Sam. The child has been thru one
dysfunction after another. Hopefully she will get some treatment.
And whether people want to here this or not the truth is Patti and her
obsession were made up of untruths. She DID not want to learn from the
responsible owners who live with wolfdogs.
She got all of her information from Beth Duman. Primmy(Dooman) is
looking at this newsgroup as we speak. She is quickly snapping up on
anything she can from the posts here. She has lost her attention on
CP's board, so will start useing from what people are posting here.
Even with a tragic death you get rather pissy Prim when you don't have
the light on you.
The best that could be done to stop turning Nickerson into some kind of
martyr, would be to stop talking about her. It is done, over with. She
is gone, and with her the wolfdog lies/obsession.
Believe me Sue or what ever you are, NO ONE in the Pro-WOLFDOG
community killed Patti. Her beloved HUSBAND did. And SUE, before I even
knew Gloria or her org, I knew Nickersons deep seated obsession with
wolfdogs. I also knew Ivan was not proven to be a wolfdog. I also knew
Ivan was suddenly "Morphed" into one after she met Duman. They must
have had some darn exciting lunches and conversations... Believe me,
Gloria is not the only one who knows the history of Nickerson wolfdog
fallacy campaign.
Patti's husband has to live with his demons for the rest of his life.
There was a purpose for Patti's life. There is for everyone. Wolfdog
crusade it wasn't. I wonder Death Dooman(Primmy)can you sleep at night?
HOW DOES THE GUILT
FEEL?
And I don't have to elaborate at all. You will certainly not be
going upward when its your time. Your butt will be greased well for
that quick slide down, down, down.
Primmy(Death Dooman)who will you find for a dupe now? You lost a big
time follower. Will you now go after her daughter? You have no
scruples, morals or shame so I wouldn't doubt it a bit.
Its been an unfortunate tragedy. I hope the Hubby gets life. I hope
Samantha and his sons find peace.
But to be honest the fortunate ones in all of this are our animals.
Stormy(and yes, I said "pro" for a very obvious reason.)
In article <39D0CFD1...@wolf-web.com>,
A.James Gambrini
trash".
Tony
A.James Gambrini
Tony
WlfDogRSQ
I have another copy made. Please email and send your new address. As you can
guess, it takes about 6 hours to make and I personally cannot stand to listen
to this over and over again. Set the tape, leave, work, play with kids, etc.
ANYTHING to NOT listen to such garbage over and over again. You are welcome to
the tape. I know you know what I mean. So is anyone else. Only problem right
now is time...it takes time to make copies.
Oh, and by the way, there is no doubt that Primrose is Duman. You were right
all along. Guess what? I can prove it <g>
gloria :)
www.wolfdogs.org
A.James Gambrini
that there needs to be some anal invasive activities done upon both of
you. Please fly to Dulles and we will inflict these administrative
actions. This will make both of you very kind and less tense. rotfl
Tony
A.James Gambrini
hair pulling, titty twisting, nut punching...whoops I mean no nut
punching is allowed. Let's get ready to rumble!!!! rotflmao
Tony
Gwragedd Annwn
all of us are getting awfully sick of seeing this crap. Nickerson dies; another
scumbag idiot crawls out of the woodwork (more ranting and more vicious--in public
at least--than Patti ever was, IMO) and starts this whole MI Patti v. Gloria flame
war anew.
Just ignore the troll and let her dig her own stupid hole. She's doing a rather
remarkable job of it without any interference on your part, Gloria. So just
kill-file the nutcase (or filter her into a file where you can then have proof for
a libel suit). Please.
Kim
WlfDogRSQ wrote:
> Sue Bishop: You are a certifiable lunatic.
>
> Do you actually read the crap you type? Again, a quick check on your posting
> history reveals to all how you come up with the same stalking, suing, harassing
> scenario with MANY people. At least one would expect a little bit variance in
> your whines....surely all these people can't be harassing, stalking, calling
> you, etc? My, my, you sure do seem to have an awful lot of enemies. Always
> the police are investigating you claim, yet know ever seems to hear from these
> phantom police, do they? <g>
>
> <<I received email from several people detailing the events. I know of people
> in
> Michigan who opposed Gloria and then started receiveing anonymous death
> threats.>>
>
> Uh, you received several emails from Patti and no one else. Funny how you like
> to tell everyone how intelligent you are and yet make such a stupid statement:
> These "people" in your head who received 'anonymous' death threats; quite an
> ASSumption you make stating it's me. Gee, if it was me I wonder where the
> police are? Goodness, I must be quite foolish sending death threats as you say
> and leaving all this evidence about, hmm? Funny how YOU are so sure it's me
> but the police are stumped. Fact is not only have I NEVER sent anyone any death
> threats, there never were any death threats. Sick tactic used by sick people
> to get attention. Right up your alley Susie.
>
> <<Evidence is being collected. Have you ever been stalked? It's a scary
> thing
> and can be difficult to prove.>>
>
> You are such a joke. Do you realize for how many years you have claimed that
> evidence is being collected against me and the others you continuously harass?
> Gee whiz, the police involved must be absolute morons to be taking so much time
> LOL. Stalking is quite easy to prove. When it actually exists. Not when a
> psycho internet troll just makes crap up in her head as you have Sue dear.
>
> <<I'm not the only one who is gathering evidence. Quite a bit of stuff is
> being turned over
> to the authorities, even as I post this. If you don't think a tense
> situation can't be
> worsened by harassment from an outside party, then you are naive.>>
>
> And what authorities would these be? Your area police? Michigan State Police?
> Marysville police? The FBI? Lordy, you are so hilarious! In a sick sort of
> way. Last time you made all these claims that you had called my police, called
> the prosecutors office, called my lawyer, I actually took you seriously. I
> called Marysville police....never heard of you. No one ever called them about
> me. Called State Police. Ditto. Called my attorney AND the prosecutors
> office. Guess what? They never heard of you either. Whata surprise! And
> guess what else? Others also believed your claims and checked me out for
> themselves. Seems the sociopathic liar was and still is, you
>
> <<I know quite a bit because people in Michigan contacted me after Gloria
> started making
> hateful posts about me all over the net. She even showed up in various
> groups where she
> had never posted before and where I frequently post, making all sorts of
> insane claims.
> She was shouted down by my many friends. After she started making all sorts
> of attempts
> to contact me by phone and in person, begging me to allow her to drive
> hundreds of miles
> to come 'visit' me, I started keeping info on all of this. And the email I
> received from others
> in Michigan, giving me info on how they had started getting threatening
> phone calls after
> disagreeing with her, certainly made me very wary.>>
>
> As I said, a simple looksy at Sue Bishops posting record shows exactly how few
> friends she has and what a loony toon she actually is. I never called you,
> never contacted you and NEVER wanted to drive down the block to visit with
> you. Rather self absorbed, aren't you?
>
> Remember when you posted all over the net that I ran a puppy mill and wasn't a
> real organization or true non profit? Even posted on a legal news groups. I
> never did get an apology when I finally had enough of your babbling and posted
> our EIN.
>
> See, your problem is simple. Well, actually you have many problems, but the
> most relevant here is that you never spoke to anyone in Michigan except Patti.
> You made the mistake of believing her because you wanted to, not because she
> was telling the truth.
>
> As for being a lurker; you're not. Your an internet stalker and troll. Your
> actions on this board and this thread show that clearly. Never mind that you
> have an extensive history of harassing MANY people. I wonder, does Jeanne Hind
> still has that web site on you? Hmm, will have to check on that <G>
> YOU posted here doing EXACTLY what you claim I did to you. I believe your rant
> was : "She even showed up in various groups where she
> had never posted before and where I frequently post, making all sorts of insane
> claims."
> Wow Sue, sounds like exactly what you have done here. <VBG>
>
> gloria :)
> Michigan Wolf Dog Rescue
> www.wolfdogs.org
--
The Wolfdog
http://www.fiu.edu/~milesk
"It's a great pity the right to free speech isn't based on the obligation to say
something sensible."
--Unknown
A.James Gambrini
Geeez.
Tony
A.James Gambrini
just an excuse for us to drive around. You also know that Patti is
still drunk. That is why Angie died. Geeez.
Tony...aka Tony the tiger grrrrrrr
Richard Bishop wrote:
>
> Albert Wynne <wyn...@congodark.net> wrote in message
> news:39D12FF0...@congodark.net...
> > > Richard Bishop wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm a lurker on this group. I know of Patti and Gloria. Most
> > > folks here don't know that Gloria has been harassing Patti for
> > > years, calling her, making extremely hateful remarks, posting
> > > hideous claims, stalking her. Gloria also started stalking me a
> > > couple of years ago after I posted about a wolf-hybrid attack in our
> > > area. She spent hours on the phone, calling all sorts of people in
> > > my area, pretending to be a reporter. She bragged about knowing
> > > where I live, what I look like, what my family is like, all sorts
> > > of really scary stuff. She even contacted the woman in our area
> > > who was attacked by the wolf-hybrid and told her all kind of lies,
> > > saying I was insulting her on the internet and encouraged her to
> > > call my house and make threats. Gloria had been calling Patti's
> > > house repeatedly during the last few weeks, goading her and
> > > calling her names and harassing her and her husband. The
> > > tensions and problems in Patti's house were directly influenced
> > > by Gloria's harassment and hatred. I've been contacted by others
> > > in the Michigan area who have been stalked by Gloria. Be very
> > > careful with this woman. She's vicious and hateful. She even
> > > tried posting on groups where I've been posting for years, trying
> > > to smear me and calling me all sorts of names.
> > >
> > > Sue
> >
A.James Gambrini
is?.....Someone who is kind to a masochist. lol
Tony
Richard Bishop wrote:
>
> A.James Gambrini <Cuddly...@hotmail.nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:39D1A2...@hotmail.nospamcom...
> > Gloria, you can stalk me anytime you want. But can I please tie you up
> > the next time? Ruff got a little too close the last time. rotflmao
> >
>
> OOOH, so Gloria is into S&M? Does her husban know or did he participate?
>
> Sue
>
A.James Gambrini
cops and check dental records to see if it is really PATTI!!! lol
Tony
WlfDogRSQ
gloria :)
Subject: Gloria
From: Gwragedd Annwn <A
HREF="mailto:gwra...@bellsouth.net">gwra...@bellsouth.net</A>
Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2000 1:33 PM
Message-id: <39D25998...@bellsouth.net>
Wolfen Kennel & Exotics
lately regarding the wolfdog subject. I'm sure she has our phone number
somewhere (and if not, could easily get it), yet we have never received
even one harassing phone call from her. And as for email, she wrote a
response to something rather strongly worded my husband posted that she did
not agree with and that was the end of it. I would NOT call that
harrassment.
If her pattern was harrassment of those who do not agree with her, why are
we not on the receiving end?
As for her and Patti, their eternal bickering with each other is OVER. It
was something I grew weary of too. Gloria is willing to give it up. So,
why don't you give it up.
Noreen
PS: In my somewhat educated opinion (22 years of seeing many, many
wolfdogs from all parts of the country), I would say that Ivan had NO
obvious wolf characteristics and since it was NOT apparent physically, I
highly doubt that "wolf" had any influence on his behavior and therefore
the attack. It is sad that canines sometimes cause such destruction on
human beings, but it is not limited to any specific breed. It is also my
opinion that dogs with recent wolf background (particularly those with one
pure wolf parent) and pure wolves should not be owned by the general
public-that perhaps some kind of permitting is wise rather than
banning-however, when you get further away in generations from pure wolf,
it is difficult to make differentiations between them and many so called
domestic dog breeds. Many breeds have special requirements and can be
dangerous in the hands of the uninformed-there is not much difference
between these and animals generations removed from pure wolf background.
In fact, I would say based on my personal experience, that there are many
breeds of dogs that are far more likely to be dangerous.
Richard Bishop <bis...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<8qstkh$8j6$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>...
Suzanne Smith
she is attempting to discredit Gloria with this "smear campaign". If
she has actual evidence against Gloria, she should bring it forward or
Shut the H*LL UP.
Gloria,
This statement appears on your BB,"If you want to act like a jerk, that
is your god given right."
Obviously that theory is what has influenced your behavior and choice of
language in your recent replies to Sue Bishop with in this thread. Name
calling, insults, and foul language has never solved problems, it simply
creates new ones. Here is a news flash for you...... YOU DO NOT have
the right to behave like a jerk when it hurts other people or their
animals and that is exactly what you are doing!
You have been contacted by several people through e-mail and personal
calls asking you to please refrain from this type of public posting.
You claim to be a representative of the WDC and proclaim your
involvement with the effort to file a federal lawsuit and solicit funds
for this lawsuit. Therefore, it would be prudent to conduct yourself in
a responsible manner instead of engaging in "cat fights" on public
forums.
In article <20000927111319...@ng-md1.aol.com>,
> Your accusations that I had something to do with her death shows the
Stormy
And I know Death Dooman(Primwit)are the same. I knew it in my gut<G>
Thanks for confirming it. I can't wait to know the rest. How much do
you need for the tape(oh, will talk about it in email)
Stormy
In article <20000927162949...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
WlfDogRSQ
Thanks again. Apparently Primrose,
AKA Beth Duman has used your post, and my response to you, as more fuel in
that wolf dog...ie, I mean "hybred" people are horrid folk,etc.
Goes to show what the little people with no heart or courage do........goes to
show what friends do (or put UP with.....in some cases...<g>)
PS : Your grammer is correct
gloria :)
A. Flood
>
>
> Gloria,
>
> This statement appears on your BB,"If you want to act like a jerk, that
> is your god given right."
And it is your right to leave our group!
> Obviously that theory is what has influenced your behavior and choice of
> language in your recent replies to Sue Bishop with in this thread. Name
> calling, insults, and foul language has never solved problems, it simply
> creates new ones. Here is a news flash for you...... YOU DO NOT have
> the right to behave like a jerk when it hurts other people or their
> animals and that is exactly what you are doing!
Normally I would ask "Who died and left you in charge" but
we already know who died. Having fun Mrs. Bishop?
> You have been contacted by several people through e-mail and personal
> calls asking you to please refrain from this type of public posting.
> You claim to be a representative of the WDC and proclaim your
> involvement with the effort to file a federal lawsuit and solicit funds
> for this lawsuit. Therefore, it would be prudent to conduct yourself in
> a responsible manner instead of engaging in "cat fights" on public
> forums.
Please save it because Gloria has all of our support.
Go phuck yourself, please, do it now.
-Andrew F.
CMSQ...@webtv.net
"Is Patti really dead? Maybe she is really Sue? We had better call the
cops and check dental records to see if it is really PATTI!!! lol"
Tony
I have been lurking for awhile to get info on wolf hybrids. This whole
thread makes me wonder, DO ANY OF YOU HAVE A FUCKING CLUE?! Let me
guess, a bunch of you are on here because you weren't good enough for
Jerry Springer? Sheesh
Candy, who's going back to a higher level of newsgroup.
Christine Burkett
I think you have the wrong Sue in mind. That was
Suzanne Smith of IOWOLFER Assoc. not Sue Bishop and
Gloria has Suzanne's support too except as she wrote
below.
Christine
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and others who would deny us ownership.
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CMSQ...@webtv.net
dead" dance tells me all I need to know about those who would rejoice.
Good riddance to them, says I.
Candy
CMSQ...@webtv.net
liberals! Let me guess, Gloria is "misunderstood"? "Taken out of
context"? Good God, get a clue.
Candy
CMSQ...@webtv.net
<PLONK> Get a clue, moron
Candy
CMSQ...@webtv.net
it up oh ignorant one) for a long time until there comes a point where
the arrogance, the stupidity and outright lies will not permit an honest
person who cares (look that one up too asshole) to remain silent. Sue
did not lie about you or anything else. If the shoe fits..... and if it
doesn't, shove it.
Candy
A.James Gambrini
Tony
A.James Gambrini
Tony
CMSQ...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> Tony aka "I have no clue" wrote the following drivel:
>
> "Is Patti really dead? Maybe she is really Sue? We had better call the
> cops and check dental records to see if it is really PATTI!!! lol"
> Tony
>
A.James Gambrini
Tony
A.James Gambrini
Tony
Suzanne Smith wrote:
>
> I have not heard of Sue Bishop prior to this discussion and obviously
> she is attempting to discredit Gloria with this "smear campaign". If
> she has actual evidence against Gloria, she should bring it forward or
> Shut the H*LL UP.
>
> Gloria,
>
> This statement appears on your BB,"If you want to act like a jerk, that
> is your god given right."
>
> Obviously that theory is what has influenced your behavior and choice of
> language in your recent replies to Sue Bishop with in this thread. Name
> calling, insults, and foul language has never solved problems, it simply
> creates new ones. Here is a news flash for you...... YOU DO NOT have
> the right to behave like a jerk when it hurts other people or their
> animals and that is exactly what you are doing!
>
> You have been contacted by several people through e-mail and personal
> calls asking you to please refrain from this type of public posting.
> You claim to be a representative of the WDC and proclaim your
> involvement with the effort to file a federal lawsuit and solicit funds
> for this lawsuit. Therefore, it would be prudent to conduct yourself in
> a responsible manner instead of engaging in "cat fights" on public
> forums.
>
Peggy
<CMSQ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:4946-39D...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Tony aka "I have no clue" wrote the following drivel:
>
> "Is Patti really dead? Maybe she is really Sue? We had better call the
> cops and check dental records to see if it is really PATTI!!! lol"
> Tony
>
Peggy
here.......and yours, well......
<CMSQ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:4946-39D...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Peggy
Bottom line - Gloria did not, has not, stalked anyone. People who think
defending yourself and investigation of events is stalking are the *bleeding
liberals* who twist the laws to make them fit their circumstance. Maybe you
should get a *clue* and go back where you came from.
Peg
<CMSQ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:4945-39D...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
John
in the WD community as a loud mouthed, racist, sexist asshole, that did not
know his ass from a hole in the ground. Now all of a sudden he is a nice
guy????
Do you people realize the picture you paint to the rest of the world; of all
wd owners?
(shaking head)
When the shit hits, and you want some one to blame, go look in a mirror!
"Peggy" <phut...@syix.com> wrote in message
news:9702307...@webhost1.syix.com...
> Hey at least he didn't lie - Tony's opinion's are always welcome
> here.......and yours, well......
>
>
> <CMSQ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:4946-39D...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> > Tony the moron wrote: "Gloria is pretty..."
> >
> > <PLONK> Get a clue, moron
> >
> > Candy
> >
>
>
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"Peggy" <phut...@syix.com> wrote in message
news:97023086...@webhost1.syix.com...
> Candy -
>
> Bottom line - Gloria did not, has not, stalked anyone. People who think
> defending yourself and investigation of events is stalking are the
*bleeding
> liberals* who twist the laws to make them fit their circumstance. Maybe
you
> should get a *clue* and go back where you came from.
>
> Peg
>
> <CMSQ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:4945-39D...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> > Peg, "over exhuberance"? Are you joking?!!!!!! Damned bleading heart
> > liberals! Let me guess, Gloria is "misunderstood"? "Taken out of
> > context"? Good God, get a clue.
> >
Janine Heimerich
you lurked? ROTFLMAO
I believe you just proved the theory that Sue, and now you, have appeared
rather suddenly... As if to take up where Pathetic Patti left off? Hmmm...
-- J
Janine Heimerich
-- J
dw
Karma lives on.
Christine Burkett
This was a desperately unhappy woman who needed a way to shift the blame from herself to someone or something else for the death of her child. Who among us wouldn't have sought relief from this kind of sorrow and guilt? Who wouldn't have welcomed the chance to shift that guilt?
She was easy pickings for those who would use her and Angie's death to further their own agenda. She was easily led to declare Ivan a dreaded WOLF HYBRID and to push for their elimination. Suddenly, she had something to hold onto to exonerate herself from the terrible burden she had been carrying. She was given attention and made into a martyr for being the mother of the child who was murdered by a dangerous killer animal.
She was suddenly given national attention by the media and even, as I understand, given a certain amount of attention by a movie star and others. She was allowed to address the legislature in her state. She was a star, herself. She was no longer the neglectful mother of a child who died in a horrible, preventable accident.
I wonder if those who used her feel any real sense of sorrow for her death or if they just regret she is no longer around to take the heat for them and to help them in their continued attempt to deprive others of their rights to live with their chosen companions.
I have no idea what her life was really like for the last 11 years.
I suspect it was a living hell. I truly hope and pray she will find
some peace at last.
Christine
sky...@my-deja.com wrote:
why are you singing the witch song? why is anyone
saying cruel mean vicious things like good
riddance?? do you have children ? have you ever
lost a parent as a child? in a childs eyes a
parent can do no wrong.....how do you think these
words relate to what kind of person you yourself
are portraying to the world? ya know someday
something may happen to you, and how do you want
people to talk about you?. I am tired of the
shameless, disrespectful mean cruel things said
about the woman. She was not the Wd enemy we are
our own enemies and only us....one person could
not hold so much power there had to be good
reason she was able to spearhead the movement.
and why was that? why because of irresponsibility
on behalf of wd owners, and breeders.This baby girl has no mother...good , bad ,
whatever kind of mother she was she was still a
mother and I have no doubt she loved that
child.....Heaven forbid if she should ever hear
such things. Patti more than likely lived with
a lot of turmoil and pain, till the end and now
her daughter carries a legacy on her little
shoulders, and you call Patti mean....statements
such as this are mean....are you? Sky
(Wolf Valley Ranch)
Every Sunrise; Every Soul is Born AgainIn article <20000925092933.10853.00000793@ng-
fn1.aol.com>,
j9j...@aol.comnocaca (Janine Heimerich) wrote:
> Ding, dong, the wd-maligner is dead...
>
> -- J
>
> << Homicide in Richmond Township
>
> Richmond Township (September 24)
>
> The State Police are investigating a
homicide in Richmond
> Township.
> Law enforcement officials say they received a 9-
1-1 call around 5:30
> yesterday morning from 44 year old Donald
Manning. In that call, Manning
> told
> the dispatch that he had shot his wife.
Troopers from the Negaunee State
> Police Post along with officers from Forsyth
Township Police and Negaunee
> City Police Department arrived at the residence
to find Patti Manning dead
> of
> a gun shot wound.
> Manning is currently being held in the
Marquette County Jail. No
> charges
> have been filed yet. The couple had a 10 year
old daughter, who was not in
> the house at that morning.
> According to police, Manning's wife was
Patti Nickerson-Manning. She
> spear-headed the efforts to fight the dog-wolf
hybrid. Her daughter Angie
> was
> killed by one in National Mine back in 1989.
She made an effort to help
> others know more about the animal and how to
avert future attacks.
> >>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
--
Greg Largent
Knock Knock. Who's there?? NOT Andrew. :)
You obviously don't know the history of the dealings of the past FEW
YEARS or so - which is most likely why you made your posting.
It isn't that Gloria doesn't have all our support. It comes down to
this, as S. Smith said in her posting: It really doesn't serve any real
purpose to engage a in a conversation with someone that is as
argumentative and short sighted as S. Bishop, OTHER THAN to defend ones
self. That defense has been made by Gloria. What real purpose does it
do to keep engaging S. Bishop?? None, other than to allow S. Bishop a
place and subject to vent on and about. What good does it do the
wolfdog community as a whole and more importantly, in what light do such
tirades and postings put the wolfdog community with those outside the
wolfdog community that also read them. It does no one any good other
than the anti's and the short sighted folks that start them.
It is always wise to engage thy brain before engaging thy mouth. I
don't always do it and neither does everyone else, but as a leader
within the wolfdog community, it bodes badly on everyone when such
situations occur. It is very hard to hold ones composure at times such
as those. A friendly reminder is the basis for S. Smith's posting.
Control yourself, Andrew. I would hate to see a "flood" your pants. :)
Greg
"A. Flood" wrote:
>
> Suzanne Smith wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gloria,
> >
> > This statement appears on your BB,"If you want to act like a jerk, that
> > is your god given right."
>
> And it is your right to leave our group!
>
> > Obviously that theory is what has influenced your behavior and choice of
> > language in your recent replies to Sue Bishop with in this thread. Name
> > calling, insults, and foul language has never solved problems, it simply
> > creates new ones. Here is a news flash for you...... YOU DO NOT have
> > the right to behave like a jerk when it hurts other people or their
> > animals and that is exactly what you are doing!
>
> Normally I would ask "Who died and left you in charge" but
> we already know who died. Having fun Mrs. Bishop?
>
> > You have been contacted by several people through e-mail and personal
> > calls asking you to please refrain from this type of public posting.
> > You claim to be a representative of the WDC and proclaim your
> > involvement with the effort to file a federal lawsuit and solicit funds
> > for this lawsuit. Therefore, it would be prudent to conduct yourself in
> > a responsible manner instead of engaging in "cat fights" on public
> > forums.
>
> Please save it because Gloria has all of our support.
>
> Go phuck yourself, please, do it now.
>
> -Andrew F.
--
"If you always insist on saying what you think,
don't expect to hear only what you like"
Your help is needed to fight the Shambala Bill, HSUS, PETA
and others who would deny RESPONSIBLE ownership.
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Greg Largent
The useage of foul language generally is an indication of minimal
intelligence or an increased blood pressure rate. You should seek
professional assistance for both.
Clues are a wonderful thing. You have given me several, most leading to
the conclusion that IF you were here to learn about wolfdogs/wolves <the
hybrid phrase is old hat and not used anymore>, you would be asking
questions or requesting reading information or SOMETHING other than
lurking, waiting for a tidbit of information to surface. There is
nothing wrong with lurking as I am sure some genuinely do but your
assumptions just don't hold water.
There are many sources of information on the web for learning about
wolfdogs. If you are interested, any of us would be more than happy to
assist in your learning experience and point you to them. All you have
to do is ask. Your welcome.
Greg.
CMSQ...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> Tony aka "I have no clue" wrote the following drivel:
>
> "Is Patti really dead? Maybe she is really Sue? We had better call the
> cops and check dental records to see if it is really PATTI!!! lol"
> Tony
>
> I have been lurking for awhile to get info on wolf hybrids. This whole
> thread makes me wonder, DO ANY OF YOU HAVE A FUCKING CLUE?! Let me
> guess, a bunch of you are on here because you weren't good enough for
> Jerry Springer? Sheesh
>
> Candy, who's going back to a higher level of newsgroup.
--
WlfDogRSQ
That was a wonderful post. I have known Patti since 1997 and from our first
conversation I was appalled at her actions, present and past. It is no secret
that I disliked her and she hated me.
For pointing out the truth to legislators, for daring to question her facts,
which were anything but, for the different paths our lives had taken. Nearly
every conversation I had with her she started with sarcasm and pride, then thru
tears and then furious anger. She accused me of stealing her daughter's
birthday, killing her daughter and killing other children. Complete hatred.
Complete insanity.
I have reams of instant messages and emails between us where she tries to goad
me into insulting her and the longer I refused, the angrier and the nastier she
became. Desperately unhappy? Yes, she was. Used? Very much so.
From Duman who first sought her out and persuaded her to lie about all the
other dogs involved inher daughters death and just say "a stray wolf dog did
it" to the Michigan Humane Society who used her and her pictures over and over
again to influence legislation. Do these people mourn her loss or the use
they had for her? With the Michigan Humane Society lobbyist called her a
f*cking fruit cake (while cam corder running and recording every word) I
highly doubt they really mourn her, the person.
I made what I thought was an honest post days ago and so far Primrose/Duman has
twisted it around to say it was "appalling". Really? Which part? I honestly
stated that she was a mean person but I was horrified at her death. I honestly
hoped she could find peace now, where she obviously did not have it in life,
and that too she twisted around. I find THAT appalling.
Fact is the anti wolf dog nuts will do and use anything and anybody to get
their cause across.
Fact is, I sent Sue Bishop an email telling her what happened. I knew she and
Patti had been close and I thought she should know. My mistake. The next
day, she started posting attacks on me and today we have a fellow poster Candy,
doing much the same. Lurkers all this time? Yah, right. As I first posted, I
am surprised only ONE alias has emerged. Some folks need to get real lives,
period.
Apparently honesty is not good enough for those with an agenda. I did not like
Patti and have never made any bones about it. For me to suddenly start posting
platitudes and my friendship with her would be outright lies. I did feel sorry
for her and I was very upset at hearing of her death, especially in such a
manner.
Now, sick minds will always be sick. IF Sue or Primrose or Candy or whomever
choose to believe that I am thrilled at her death and that I am "appalling";
so be it. People like this will always see exactly what they wish to see.
That is their problem, not mine. In the end, it all comes down to an
individual and their beliefs and their relationship with God.
gloria
WlfDogRSQ
wrote that so that people would feel free to express their thoughts and
feelings without censorship, something that I VERY much disagree with. (As you
know, Patti, consistently wiped her board clean every few days when she
disliked the questions or the posters).
It IS one's god given right to act like a jerk. As it is another's god given
right to point out such action <g>
I would rather had a good friend point out..."uh, hey stupid, you went too far"
then to just delete posts or censor comments.
Thank you for your voice of reason, you are right. My choice of language was
that which Sue and I had set the tone for years ago. Assuming everyone here
would be used to it was wrong.
You are so right that one does not have the right to hurt people or animals
(people, some may which be deserving, but animals never are).
My only excuse in responding to Sue Bishops rants is that people DO read them
and some DO believe her lies. I feel justified, as does Greg in a recent list
discussion, in defending attacks made against me or our organization. Sue
Bishop spent a great deal of time posting lies about what we do, and as far as
she is concerned, my patience is worn thin.
Does not excuse my use of certain language, and with your constant *cough*,
reminders, no doubt I will get it right soon enough.
Thanks Suzanne,
gloria :)
PS Did you get the tape yet?
<<This statement appears on your BB,"If you want to act like a jerk, that
is your god given right."
Obviously that theory is what has influenced your behavior and choice of
language in your recent replies to Sue Bishop with in this thread. Name
calling, insults, and foul language has never solved problems, it simply
creates new ones. Here is a news flash for you...... YOU DO NOT have
the right to behave like a jerk when it hurts other people or their
animals and that is exactly what you are doing!
You have been contacted by several people through e-mail and personal
A.James Gambrini
years. I just don't take "crap" from anyone. I tell it in a
straight-shooter style. lol Others on the other hand "lurk" and are
terrible voyeurs. lol
Tony
John wrote:
>
> Now that is funny; I remember a time when Tony was considered by everybody
> in the WD community as a loud mouthed, racist, sexist asshole, that did not
> know his ass from a hole in the ground. Now all of a sudden he is a nice
> guy????
>
> Do you people realize the picture you paint to the rest of the world; of all
> wd owners?
> (shaking head)
>
> When the shit hits, and you want some one to blame, go look in a mirror!
>
> "Peggy" <phut...@syix.com> wrote in message
> news:9702307...@webhost1.syix.com...
> > Hey at least he didn't lie - Tony's opinion's are always welcome
> > here.......and yours, well......
> >
> >
> > <CMSQ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:4946-39D...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> > > Tony the moron wrote: "Gloria is pretty..."
> > >
> > > <PLONK> Get a clue, moron
> > >
A.James Gambrini
Tony
Peggy
we let him hang out here. Yes, Tony can sometimes be all of the things you
say and more....but since the new girl friend, he's calmed it down quite a
bit.... and yes, I think this ng will keep him.....
John <ha...@elltel.net> wrote in message
news:39d49...@news5.newsfeeds.com...
> Now that is funny; I remember a time when Tony was considered by everybody
> in the WD community as a loud mouthed, racist, sexist asshole, that did
not
> know his ass from a hole in the ground. Now all of a sudden he is a nice
> guy????
>
> Do you people realize the picture you paint to the rest of the world; of
all
> wd owners?
> (shaking head)
>
> When the shit hits, and you want some one to blame, go look in a mirror!
>
> "Peggy" <phut...@syix.com> wrote in message
> news:9702307...@webhost1.syix.com...
> > Hey at least he didn't lie - Tony's opinion's are always welcome
> > here.......and yours, well......
> >
> >
> > <CMSQ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:4946-39D...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> > > Tony the moron wrote: "Gloria is pretty..."
> > >
> > > <PLONK> Get a clue, moron
> > >
> > > Candy
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
John
to:-)
You obviously do not remember me; that's okay, you have mellowed out a lot
since we went round and round for a little while here at the ng:-)
Taco you don't remember all the derogatory drivel you used to spout?
I check in from time to time one to check up on you and make your you are
playing nice and two to see if there is anything worth replying too. Most of
the time there is not. Others (who's opinion I respect) generally step in
and voice their opinion so I tend to just let things be.
I just find it amusing that less than a year ago you were considered by most
to be .... well a joke, for lack of a nicer term. I am trying to figure out
when you became an opinion that was respected?
Nick can you answer that for me if you are around?
"A.James Gambrini" <Cuddly...@hotmail.nospamcom> wrote in message
news:39D533...@hotmail.nospamcom...
> Wrong. Everyone knows I am a wolf expert. They have known that for
> years. I just don't take "crap" from anyone. I tell it in a
> straight-shooter style. lol Others on the other hand "lurk" and are
> terrible voyeurs. lol
>
> Tony
>
>
> John wrote:
> >
John
congradulations Tony I hopw you treat her well so she stays around. This
version of Tony is actually funny from time to time.:-)
"Peggy" <phut...@syix.com> wrote in message
news:97026332...@webhost1.syix.com...
> Tony is harmless - someone has to keep him....the lists won't have him, so
> we let him hang out here. Yes, Tony can sometimes be all of the things
you
> say and more....but since the new girl friend, he's calmed it down quite a
> bit.... and yes, I think this ng will keep him.....
>
>
> John <ha...@elltel.net> wrote in message
> news:39d49...@news5.newsfeeds.com...
Greg Largent
You are still a pain in the ass and I doubt that you have any
wolf/wolfdog experience first hand, that is. Nuttin wrong with book
learning but I wouldn't proclaim you a "positive" force in the wolfdog
community, either. You are good for a laugh from time to time. :)
Greg.
"A.James Gambrini" wrote:
>
> Wrong. Everyone knows I am a wolf expert. They have known that for
> years. I just don't take "crap" from anyone. I tell it in a
> straight-shooter style. lol Others on the other hand "lurk" and are
> terrible voyeurs. lol
>
> Tony
>
> John wrote:
> >
> > Now that is funny; I remember a time when Tony was considered by everybody
> > in the WD community as a loud mouthed, racist, sexist asshole, that did not
> > know his ass from a hole in the ground. Now all of a sudden he is a nice
> > guy????
> >
> > Do you people realize the picture you paint to the rest of the world; of all
> > wd owners?
> > (shaking head)
> >
> > When the shit hits, and you want some one to blame, go look in a mirror!
> >
> > "Peggy" <phut...@syix.com> wrote in message
> > news:9702307...@webhost1.syix.com...
> > > Hey at least he didn't lie - Tony's opinion's are always welcome
> > > here.......and yours, well......
> > >
> > >
> > > <CMSQ...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > > news:4946-39D...@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> > > > Tony the moron wrote: "Gloria is pretty..."
> > > >
> > > > <PLONK> Get a clue, moron
> > > >
> > > > Candy
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Peggy
Peg
Greg Largent <Star...@rockford.com> wrote in message
news:39D52E4E...@rockford.com...
John
CMSQ...@webtv.net
personally know for a fact you are soooooo wrong. As far as e-mail from
no one but Patti, how is it you are privy to anyone's private e-mail.
Good God, the more I read from you people, the more determined I am to
not vote for Al Gore, after all according to him, he's the reason you're
all here. LOL
Sheesh!
Candy
A.James Gambrini
that post here. Geeez.
Tony aka Doctor.
Peggy wrote:
>
> Hey - he keeps us entertained....doesn't he???
>
> Peg
>
A.James Gambrini
the arse. lol Yes, I do make funnies. Patch also makes fun. lol
Tony
A.James Gambrini
play hard.
Tony the tiger. lol
John wrote:
>
> ROFLMAO: Tony whether you are a wolf expert or not is not what I am refering
> to:-)
>
> You obviously do not remember me; that's okay, you have mellowed out a lot
> since we went round and round for a little while here at the ng:-)
>
> Taco you don't remember all the derogatory drivel you used to spout?
>
> I check in from time to time one to check up on you and make your you are
> playing nice and two to see if there is anything worth replying too. Most of
> the time there is not. Others (who's opinion I respect) generally step in
> and voice their opinion so I tend to just let things be.
>
> I just find it amusing that less than a year ago you were considered by most
> to be .... well a joke, for lack of a nicer term. I am trying to figure out
> when you became an opinion that was respected?
>
> Nick can you answer that for me if you are around?
>
> "A.James Gambrini" <Cuddly...@hotmail.nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:39D533...@hotmail.nospamcom...
A.James Gambrini
and coke. lol
Tony
Peggy wrote:
>
> Tony is harmless - someone has to keep him....the lists won't have him, so
> we let him hang out here. Yes, Tony can sometimes be all of the things you
> say and more....but since the new girl friend, he's calmed it down quite a
> bit.... and yes, I think this ng will keep him.....
>
> John <ha...@elltel.net> wrote in message
> news:39d49...@news5.newsfeeds.com...
Peggy
line....Nick once said you were like the *strange cousin* of the group - I
was new back then - and thought *what the hell* - but, you know, Nick was
right. Just like we can't legally get rid of our real cousins and we keep
them, good or bad... we keep you around too. You brighten up this place -
especially when it gets dull and boring....besides that, who else would call
me *aunti*????
A.James Gambrini <Cuddly...@hotmailnospam.com> wrote in message
news:39D5C0...@hotmailnospam.com...
MonkeyJo
(whatever that means)? By all means please tell!
Greg Largent wrote in message <39D52E4E...@rockford.com>...
>Tony:
>
>You are still a pain in the ass and I doubt that you have any
>wolf/wolfdog experience first hand, that is. Nuttin wrong with book
>learning but I wouldn't proclaim you a "positive" force in the wolfdog
>community, either. You are good for a laugh from time to time. :)
>
>Greg.
>
>"A.James Gambrini" wrote:
>>
>> Wrong. Everyone knows I am a wolf expert. They have known that for
>> years. I just don't take "crap" from anyone. I tell it in a
>> straight-shooter style. lol Others on the other hand "lurk" and are
>> terrible voyeurs. lol
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> John wrote:
>> >
CMSQ...@webtv.net
nastier word). That was my point.
Candy
CMSQ...@webtv.net
*does* one "look up" that you lurked? ROTFLMAO"
Look up the usenet term "lurk". Not look up the lurking itself. Read
for comprehension, fool.
I read a lot of news groups. I don't always post to them. Usually
there are enough pertinent posts already and I think "ditto" and "me
too" posts are a waste of time
Candy
WlfDogRSQ
Uh, in your own words. " Proof please, I
personally know for a fact you are soooooo wrong.
My proof? Easy, in Sue Bishops warped phone message left on the wolf dog
owners machine, Sue states that "Patti Nickerson told me so". Only Patti. I
have that tape. What do you have?
'You people'...interesting choice of words Candy. The more I hear from you,
the more I am inclined to think you are as nutty as Sue. And what Al Gore has
to do with any of this, only your odd ball mind can fathom. Sheez, what a loon
gloria :)
John
have that tape. What do you have?">
If I remember correctly Patti was mudered last week and she can not respond.
Al Gore:(LOL) You did not hear, he was instrumental in inventing the
internet.:-)
"WlfDogRSQ" <wlfd...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001001165925...@ng-md1.aol.com...
> LOL! Candy,
>
> Uh, in your own words. " Proof please, I
> personally know for a fact you are soooooo wrong.
>
> My proof? Easy, in Sue Bishops warped phone message left on the wolf dog
> owners machine, Sue states that "Patti Nickerson told me so". Only
Patti. I
> have that tape. What do you have?
>
> 'You people'...interesting choice of words Candy. The more I hear from
you,
> the more I am inclined to think you are as nutty as Sue. And what Al Gore
has
> to do with any of this, only your odd ball mind can fathom. Sheez, what a
loon
>
> gloria :)
A.James Gambrini
Tony