$2,499 DVD-ROM 14.1"TFT Sony Vaio Laptop!!!
clo...@hotmail.com
rfir...@pelagius.com wrote:
> abc
>
> Check out the prices and specs on these new Sony Vaio laptops!
Why do you keep posting this meaningless garbage?
You need a girlfriend, like, REALLY bad :)
_cloak_
> yo, yo Sony Vaio laptops really BLOW
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DivineSera
Prices sure are high down under! I feel so sorry for you I won't say too
much about you being IN THE WRONG FUCKING NG!!!! Enjoy the spambots that
are going to follow you<lol> That and the mailbombs.............
macs_rea...@yahoo.com wrote in message
<7etpev$f0a$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>G'day mate, my name is Gavin Costello <gav...@research.canon.com.au>, and I
>live at 3 Thomas Holt Drive, North Ryde, Sydney, NSW 2113, Australia,
>telephone 0416 382204 & 02 98052847.
>
>Check out the prices and specs on these new Sony Vaio laptops!
>
>$2,499.99 Sony Vaio PCG-F180
>http://www.ita.sel.sony.com/products/pc/notebook/pcgf180.html
>
>$3,299.99 Sony Vaio PCG-F190
>http://www.ita.sel.sony.com/products/pc/notebook/pcgf190.html
>
>366 MHz Intel® Pentium® II Processor (Sony Vaio PCG-F190)
>333 MHz Intel® Pentium® II Processor (Sony Vaio PCG-F180)
>256 KB Integrated On-Die Level 2
>
>14.1" XGA Active Matrix LCD (1024 x 768)
>
>2x max. fixed DVD-ROM drive with DVD movie playback capability
>
>MPEG1 and MPEG2 Digital Video Supports Full Screen Playback
>
>NeoMagic MagicMedia 256AV with 2.5 MB Video RAM and 128 bit Accelerator
Direct
>3D and MPEG Acceleration
>
>64 MB SDRAM, expandable to 192 MB
>
>6.4 GB Hard Drive (Sony Vaio PCG-F190)
>4.3 GB Hard Drive (Sony Vaio PCG-F180)
>
>Size (W X H X D)
>12.8" X 1.6" X 10.5"
>6.8 lbs. (with weight saver in floppy drive bay)
>7.3 lbs. (with floppy drive in floppy drive bay)
>
>Digital Audio 3D Stereo 16 bit playback and record Software Wavetable MIDI
>Synthesizer
>
>Removable 1.44 MB, 3.5" Internal Operation Floppy Disk Drive (Floppy disk
>drive bay also supports second rechargeable battery when floppy drive is
>removed )
>
>V.90 Modem
>
>Digital Touch Pad
>
>PCI Bus Architecture
>
>Built-in Stereo Speakers
>
>Built-in Microphone
>
>Lithium-Ion Battery
>3.5 hours (with one battery)
>7 hours (with optional second battery)
>
>Two PCMCIA Type 2 Cards or one Type 3 Card
>Card Bus Support
>
>Supports 4 Mbps, 1.1 Mbps and 115 kbps IrDA Standard
>
>Serial Port
>Printer Port
>VGA Monitor Port
>PS/2® Keyboard/Mouse Port
>USB (x1) Port
>RJ-11 Phone Jack
>i.LINK (IEEE-1394) S200 Interface
>Mic-In
>Headphone
>
>Power Requirements
>65 Watts Maximum (19.5V DC / AC100-240V)
>
>Power Management
>Energy Star Compliant
>ACPI Compatible
>
>AC Adapter
>Weight Saver
>
>One Year Limited Express Service
>Limited Warranty One Year Parts and Labor (90 days without registration)
>Telephone Support
>Hardware: One Year
>Software and Operating System: 90 Day
>
>PRE-INSTALLED SOFTWARE
>Operating System
>Microsoft® Windows® 98
>
>Software Applications
>Adobe Acrobat® Reader
>Adobe PhotoDeluxe® Business Edition
>Adobe Premier® LE
>Intuit® Quicken® Basic 99
>Mediamatic DVD Express
>Microsoft® Money 99
>Microsoft® Outlook® 98
>Microsoft® Works
>Sony DVgate Still
>Sony DVgate Motion
>Sony Digital Media Park
>Symantec WinFax® Basic Edition
>Sony PictureGear
>
>Online Center
>Microsoft® Internet Explorer for Windows® 98
>Netscape® Communicator®
>Progressive Networks® RealPlayer
>
>Tool Center
>Sony BatteryScope
>Dr. Solomon's® Anti-Virus
>Sony PowerPanel
>Sony Notebook Setup
>Sony PPK Setup
>Sony Application Recovery CD
>System Recovery CD
>
>Attention video professionals! Both the Sony PCG-F190 and PCG-F180 have:
>
>DVgate Software Using i.LINK (IEEE-1394) Technology
>
>The Sony PCG-F190 is equipped with the i.LINK interface, your conduit to
the
>emerging digital world. The i.LINK interface gives you the ability to
connect
>to a Sony Digital Handycam® camcorder. Once connected, the included Sony
>DVgate Motion software lets you capture, edit, assemble and present full
>motion digital video, while Sony DVgate Still software allows you to
capture
>and store images from digital video. It's the next step in notebook
>computing-your own personal mobile digital studio. And it's only available
>from Sony.
>
>All-in-One Design
>The convenience of having everything in one integrated package with an
>integrated V.90 modem and simultaneous access to the hard drive, floppy
drive
>and DVD-ROM drive. There is no need to sacrifice anything or externally
attach
>another device.
Bill B. Jackson
......
> The Sony PCG-F190 is equipped with the i.LINK interface, your conduit to the
> emerging digital world. The i.LINK interface gives you the ability to connect
> to a Sony Digital HandycamŽ camcorder. Once connected, the included Sony
> DVgate Motion software lets you capture, edit, assemble and present full
> motion digital video, while Sony DVgate Still software allows you to capture
> and store images from digital video. It's the next step in notebook
> computing-your own personal mobile digital studio. And it's only available
> from Sony.
Thanks for the above information, mate. You made it clear that you hate
Macs and love all other non-mac computers. That's your right. Here's
something for your consideration:
by Robert X. Cringely
----------------------------------------------
"The check is in the mail."
"Of course I'll still respect you in the
morning."
We all know the standard list of lies, but
here are two more, straight from the mouth of
Bill Gates this week: 1) "The Department of
Justice is trying to deny product innovations
to computer users," and 2) "If the Department
of Justice is successful in keeping Internet
Explorer 4 from being bundled in Windows 98,
Microsoft could be put out of business."
Make a list of the product innovations that
have ever come from Microsoft. There is a
fantasy in Redmond that Microsoft products are
innovative, but this is based entirely on a
peculiar confusion of the words "innovative"
and "successful." Microsoft products are
successful -- they make a lot of money -- but
that doesn't make them innovative, or even
particularly good. I do documentary television
shows about the history of the computer
business, and it is amazing how Microsoft
executives retrospectively will acknowledge
how bad some of their products have been. At
the time those products were introduced, the
same executives claimed they were the best in
the world. How can this be? It's this
confusion of market success and product
quality, combined with a general lack of
respect and concern for users.
Innovations don't often come from big
companies, and when they do, it is generally
as a result of competition. Innovations
usually come from little companies that need
to innovate to make a place for themselves in
the market. What comes from big companies,
especially big software companies, are product
revisions. We don't ask for the revisions, but
they are nevertheless thrust upon us. Who
actually uses any features of Microsoft Word
introduced after, say, version 4? Yet new
versions continue to appear and we upgrade to
them -- not because we want ever larger, more
bloated software -- but because we have no
choice. Deliberate changes in file
specifications keep upgrading just so we're
able to read our own writing and share files
with others. It's a plot, a grand manipulation
of millions of users with the sole purpose of
maintaining corporate earnings growth. They do
it for them, not for us.
And it's not just Microsoft. Nearly every
software company does the same thing because
it's the best way to generate revenues after
the easiest sales have already been made.
There's a sucker born every minute, and more
often than not, he uses a personal computer.
Then there is Lie Number Two: Could the
Department of Justice, with its proposed $1
million-per-day fine and
not-all-that-sophisticated understanding of
the way the software business works, really
put Microsoft out of business? Of course not,
and Bill Gates knows it.
But emperors are different from you and me.
They can be self-centered and whine about the
most petty things, and for some reason we
listen to them. Emperor Bill can share his
ludicrous fear that the Department of Justice
will take out Microsoft with anything short of
a neutron bomb, and we listen to him. Some
people even sympathize. Poor Bill. Poor
Microsoft. But understand that sympathy is
unknown inside the Redmond hallways, that no
competitor there is ever given the benefit of
the doubt. Strength is all that matters at
Microsoft -- that is unless a little public
sniveling can regain some advantage. This is
theater, theater of the absurd.
None of this would make a bit of difference if
the software at the heart of this dispute --
Windows 98 -- was truly innovative, truly
useful or even truly functional. As it stands
at this moment, days or weeks away from Win98
being frozen and deemed shippable to you and
me, the software sucks. Worse still, it treats
us like fools.
Here's what I am hearing about Windows 98 from
inside Microsoft's developer and beta test
communities.
It isn't done, for one thing. Not even close.
Expect many bugs and many bug fixes long after
the product ships, and probably expect a delay
or two beyond Microsoft's promised second
quarter shipping target.
Then there are those innovative features of
which the Department of Justice seems to want
to deprive us. Take Win98's Active Desktop,
which is worse than a nuisance. Click on an
icon and the next thing you know, your modem
is dialing someone. That's great if you have a
dedicated T1 line, but a real pain if you have
a 28K modem. Then there's the new "subscriber"
service: Forget to turn your computer off at
night, and at 4am, it will dial up Redmond and
using their new Remote Administration service,
scan your DLLs and replace them at Microsoft's
discretion. Good luck trying to keep Netscape
Navigator running under that scenario. Plus,
how do we know what information is being
passed back and forth? And with all the Java
code being bounced around, you had better have
at least a 56K modem. It's obvious Microsoft's
programmers have T1 Internet connections to
their Fast Ethernet networks. Doesn't
everyone?
Install Win98, and the first thing you see
after rebooting is the Channels Bar, with
Warner Bros. and Disney logos filling half the
screen. How much dough did Microsoft get for
that sort of advertising? It's as if every
time I started my car, the radio played a
Shell Oil commercial first.
Using Internet Explorer 4, clicking the search
button routes everything through the Microsoft
server first. Talk about demographic manna
from heaven! Microsoft will know everything we
do, and everywhere we go on the Internet.
And then there's WinTrust: Microsoft is laying
the groundwork so that all electronic
transactions will go through Redmond. This may
be the real reason Microsoft is pushing IE4
onto the OEMs so hard.
Cybercash, online transactions, Internet
advertising. The browser is simply the front
door to these innovative services/profit
centers. The only way to make sure everyone
will see those centers is to make sure
everyone uses Microsoft's browser. Netscape
has no interest in enabling WinTrust, so
Netscape must die. Microsoft will gladly give
away the browser for free regardless of the
presence of Netscape just to be sure they can
control the online gateway. From a business
standpoint, this is sheer brilliance. But to
some folks it's Big Brother coming from
Washington state instead of DC.
But will Windows 98 run on our current
hardware? Not really. Remember how Windows 95
needed only a 486 and eight megs of RAM? Who
runs Win95 today with anything less than a
Pentium and 16 megs? Windows 98 currently
requires 340 megabytes of disk space and a new
useful minimum 32 megs of RAM, with 48
megabytes required to run as well as Windows
95.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
--
If you wish to send me e-mail, delete
the word NoSPAM from my e-mail address.
Bob S
> In article <7etpig$f3j$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> rfir...@pelagius.com wrote:
> > abc
> >
> > Check out the prices and specs on these new Sony Vaio laptops!
>
> Why do you keep posting this meaningless garbage?
>
> You need a girlfriend, like, REALLY bad :)
>
> _cloak_
>
>
> > yo, yo Sony Vaio laptops really BLOW
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ]]]
>
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This thread hardly ever shows up in my window anymore. Guess that means I
just about have the kill filter perfected for this topic.
--
B Shutts
Lawyer, Mac manager, pc trouble-shooter and rennaisance dude
Jeremy Reimer
Bill B. Jackson <billbjack...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:billbjacksonNoSPAM-1204992014430001@pm2-broad-
<post deleted-- it was from before Windows 98 was even released>
I find it amusing that people like you will trumpet Bob "X" Cringely as the
greatest man who ever lived if he says bad things about Microsoft, but as
soon as he says one bad thing about Apple, suddenly he is a know-nothing
idiot who lied about not having a PhD and can't be trusted on anything.
Double-standard, perhaps? Interestingly, Cringely says the only flame mail
he gets these days is from angry Mac fanatics.
<non-advocacy groups trimmed>
--
----
Jeremy Reimer
jrei...@home.com
http://members.home.net/jreimeris
George Graves
Reimer" <jrei...@home.com> wrote:
>Bill B. Jackson <billbjack...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:billbjacksonNoSPAM-1204992014430001@pm2-broad-
>
><post deleted-- it was from before Windows 98 was even released>
>
>I find it amusing that people like you will trumpet Bob "X" Cringely as the
>greatest man who ever lived if he says bad things about Microsoft, but as
>soon as he says one bad thing about Apple, suddenly he is a know-nothing
>idiot who lied about not having a PhD and can't be trusted on anything.
>
>Double-standard, perhaps? Interestingly, Cringely says the only flame mail
>he gets these days is from angry Mac fanatics.
Maybe, But I've been in Cringely's office. Nothing BUT Macintoshes. Just
because some of us critcize Apple when they (all too often) do stupid,
doesn't mean that we don't use their products. It means we want them to
make better ones. Apple sometimes listens too, more than can be said about
the megalomaniacs in Redmond.
--
George Graves
znu
Reimer" <jrei...@home.com> wrote:
[snip]
> Nobody, and I mean nobody, in c.s.m.a. who purports to be a Mac fan has ever
> publicly agreed with (or indeed, done anything but publicly villify)
> Cringely's assertations that Apple is and will always be a minority player
> in the PC market,
I'll agree with that. I think it's a _good_ thing. If Apple got too
comfortable, product quality would likely drop, as is demonstrated by
MS.... I like Apple on it's toes. I think an ideal market share for the
Mac would be in the 20-25% range, and I'd also like to have something else
thrown in there, Linux or BeOS maybe, with another 20-25% of the market,
to keep MS on it's toes.
> and that the _only_ reason they are not the majority
> player was corporate greed and massive stupidity.
Of course, this ignores the fact that everyone else was just as dumb and
greedy. IBM never wanted the PC become an open platform, Intel fought to
keep the x86 monopoly, etc. MS was smart and _extremely_ lucky trough
this, but now seems to be shooting itself in the foot as a result of greed
(the DoJ is rather upset with them... ahem). You've got to remember that
things were very different in the early days of the personal computer.
Very few people thought they would ever be more than just toys for
hobbyists.
And I think Cringely is an idiot. I stopped reading his stuff a while ago.
[snip]
--
Usenet sigs are the ultimate repository of all human knowledge.
-znu <junkm...@usa.net>
Yes, that *is* a real e-mail address.
David Kurtz
Reimer" <jrei...@home.com> wrote:
> Nobody, and I mean nobody, in c.s.m.a. who purports to be a Mac fan has ever
> publicly agreed with (or indeed, done anything but publicly villify)
> Cringely's assertations that Apple is and will always be a minority player
> in the PC market, and that the _only_ reason they are not the majority
> player was corporate greed and massive stupidity.
Well, you just haven't been around csma long enough now, have you? There
are plenty of Mac fans who will agree with that statement.
..but..
So what? Are Cringely's opinions automatically more valid than anyone
else's? Just because his soapbox is a little higher than others' that
makes what he has to say more correct? So what if a majority of Mac
supporters don't agree with him? Maybe *he's* wrong. Or simply has a
different perspective.
[followups to comp.sys.mac.advocacy]
Jeremy Reimer
news:gmgraves-130...@oak-pm3-16-144.dialup.slip.net...
> Maybe, But I've been in Cringely's office. Nothing BUT Macintoshes. Just
> because some of us critcize Apple when they (all too often) do stupid,
> doesn't mean that we don't use their products. It means we want them to
> make better ones. Apple sometimes listens too, more than can be said about
> the megalomaniacs in Redmond.
Cringely will always tell you that he is an Apple and a Mac fan. (Just not
a fanatic) He still uses Macs. He talks more about Apple than any computer
columnist I know. Yet, as I've stated, he absolutely _hates_ MacAdvocates,
especially those who do nothing but flame him.
Nobody, and I mean nobody, in c.s.m.a. who purports to be a Mac fan has ever
publicly agreed with (or indeed, done anything but publicly villify)
Cringely's assertations that Apple is and will always be a minority player
in the PC market, and that the _only_ reason they are not the majority
player was corporate greed and massive stupidity.
Your hatred of Microsoft has also blinded you to the few times where MS does
in fact listen to its customers. Mostly it's just asking Office users what
new features they want, or what features they find hard to use or hard to
find, but it still counts as listening to the users, even if only in a small
way. They've done such a good job with Office, in fact, that they have to
do slimy things like make incompatible new file formats just to get people
to upgrade, because the old versions are good enough for anyone (I will
never, and I mean never upgrade to Office 2000, as it would be utterly
pointless... anything that Excel can't do already I have specialized
software that will do it ten times better)
I would never argue that MS listens to the needs of users in the area of
operating systems. They just do what they feel is best. But it is
surprising that this arrogant attitude has still produced not one, but two,
operating systems that I (and many other people) find less annoying than
MacOS. Not as elegant, nor as pretty, but far less annoying.
Jeremy Reimer
news:junkmailme-13...@ppp-47.ts-8.nyc.idt.net...
> > Nobody, and I mean nobody, in c.s.m.a. who purports to be a Mac fan has
ever
> > publicly agreed with (or indeed, done anything but publicly villify)
> > Cringely's assertations that Apple is and will always be a minority
player
> > in the PC market,
>
> comfortable, product quality would likely drop, as is demonstrated by
> MS.... I like Apple on it's toes. I think an ideal market share for the
> Mac would be in the 20-25% range, and I'd also like to have something else
> thrown in there, Linux or BeOS maybe, with another 20-25% of the market,
> to keep MS on it's toes.
Well, then I stand corrected. Nobody except for znu, and perhaps anyone
else who is equally sensible, has ever argued the above. :)
>
> > and that the _only_ reason they are not the majority
> > player was corporate greed and massive stupidity.
>
> Of course, this ignores the fact that everyone else was just as dumb and
> greedy. IBM never wanted the PC become an open platform, Intel fought to
> keep the x86 monopoly, etc. MS was smart and _extremely_ lucky trough
> this, but now seems to be shooting itself in the foot as a result of greed
> (the DoJ is rather upset with them... ahem). You've got to remember that
> things were very different in the early days of the personal computer.
> Very few people thought they would ever be more than just toys for
> hobbyists.
True enough. The whole industry arose largely by accident. Only Bill Gates
and Jobs had real vision (Gates' was a computer on every desktop, running MS
software, Jobs was a computer on every desktop, running The One True
Software As Dictated By God To His Only Prophet, Steve Jobs.... :)
> And I think Cringely is an idiot. I stopped reading his stuff a while ago.
He is a bit strange, I'll give you that. The thing about the phony PhD was
weird enough, but you should see his series on PBS called "Plane Crazy"
where he claims to be able to design and build a new plane in a month, only
the month passes and he only has about a quarter of the outer fibreglass
shell done, then he gets mad, verbally abuses and then physically attacks
the camerman (very entertaining) and then spends the next month building
someone else's biplane from a kit.
He's goofy, but he's occasionally accurate, and I did like the "Nerds"
series on PBS, and his book _Accidental Empires_ very much.
R. Tang
George Graves <gmgr...@slip.net> wrote:
>In article <BizQ2.31749$L66....@news.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com>, "Jeremy
>Reimer" <jrei...@home.com> wrote:
>
>>Bill B. Jackson <billbjack...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:billbjacksonNoSPAM-1204992014430001@pm2-broad-
>>
>><post deleted-- it was from before Windows 98 was even released>
>>
>>I find it amusing that people like you will trumpet Bob "X" Cringely as the
>>greatest man who ever lived if he says bad things about Microsoft, but as
>>soon as he says one bad thing about Apple, suddenly he is a know-nothing
>>idiot who lied about not having a PhD and can't be trusted on anything.
>>
>>Double-standard, perhaps? Interestingly, Cringely says the only flame mail
>>he gets these days is from angry Mac fanatics.
>
>
>because some of us critcize Apple when they (all too often) do stupid,
>doesn't mean that we don't use their products. It means we want them to
>make better ones. Apple sometimes listens too, more than can be said about
>the megalomaniacs in Redmond.
Speaking of megalomaniacs....seems like a lot of the Microsoft
folks are a bit touchy as far as the company is concerned. Some weren't
too happy with a satirical sketch we put together....
[A sure sign of losing touch with the world is losing your sense
of humor....]
--
-Roger Tang, gwan...@u.washington.edu, Artistic Director PC Theatre
- Editor, Asian American Theatre Revue [NEW URL]
- http://www.abcflash.com/a&e/r_tang/AATR.html
-Declared 4-F in the War Between the Sexes
Alan Baker
junkm...@usa.net (znu) wrote:
>In article <d5RQ2.32262$L66....@news.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com>, "Jeremy
>Reimer" <jrei...@home.com> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>> and that the _only_ reason they are not the majority
>> player was corporate greed and massive stupidity.
>
>Of course, this ignores the fact that everyone else was just as dumb and
>greedy. IBM never wanted the PC become an open platform, Intel fought to
You can go farther than this: IBM didn't even really want the IBM PC to
succeed. They just wanted a "computer" that they could offer to their
corporate clients so that they could be used as mainframe terminals, while
still be seen as being up to date with desktop computing.
>keep the x86 monopoly, etc. MS was smart and _extremely_ lucky trough
>this, but now seems to be shooting itself in the foot as a result of greed
>(the DoJ is rather upset with them... ahem). You've got to remember that
>things were very different in the early days of the personal computer.
>Very few people thought they would ever be more than just toys for
>hobbyists.
>
>And I think Cringely is an idiot. I stopped reading his stuff a while ago.
>
>[snip]
--
Alan Baker (Alan_...@bc.sympatico.ca)
Vancouver British Columbia
"There is hardly anything in the world that some men cannot
make a little worse and sell a little cheaper,
and the people who consider price only, are this man's lawful prey."
-John Ruskin
George Graves
Reimer" <jrei...@home.com> wrote:
>George Graves <gmgr...@slip.net> wrote in message
>news:gmgraves-130...@oak-pm3-16-144.dialup.slip.net...
>> Maybe, But I've been in Cringely's office. Nothing BUT Macintoshes. Just
>> because some of us critcize Apple when they (all too often) do stupid,
>> doesn't mean that we don't use their products. It means we want them to
>> make better ones. Apple sometimes listens too, more than can be said about
>> the megalomaniacs in Redmond.
>
>Cringely will always tell you that he is an Apple and a Mac fan. (Just not
>a fanatic) He still uses Macs. He talks more about Apple than any computer
>columnist I know. Yet, as I've stated, he absolutely _hates_ MacAdvocates,
>especially those who do nothing but flame him.
>
>Nobody, and I mean nobody, in c.s.m.a. who purports to be a Mac fan has ever
>publicly agreed with (or indeed, done anything but publicly villify)
>Cringely's assertations that Apple is and will always be a minority player
>in the PC market, and that the _only_ reason they are not the majority
>player was corporate greed and massive stupidity.
The only reason why MacOS isn't 90%+ and and Windows nowhere is because of
Apple's corporate greed and massive stupidity at a time when it was
crucial that they allow licencing. A read of Jim Carlton's book would show
anyone that this is absolute FACT.
>
>Your hatred of Microsoft has also blinded you to the few times where MS does
>in fact listen to its customers.
I don't hate Microsoft. I hate Windows. I'm mad a Microsoft for pawning
such a horrible OS off on a largely unsuspecting public, and making it an
inferior but firmly entrenched 'standard', but I don't hate them. In fact
I use Office every day. Wouldn't be without it.
Mostly it's just asking Office users what
>new features they want, or what features they find hard to use or hard to
>find, but it still counts as listening to the users, even if only in a small
>way. They've done such a good job with Office, in fact, that they have to
>do slimy things like make incompatible new file formats just to get people
>to upgrade, because the old versions are good enough for anyone (I will
>never, and I mean never upgrade to Office 2000, as it would be utterly
>pointless... anything that Excel can't do already I have specialized
>software that will do it ten times better)
>
>I would never argue that MS listens to the needs of users in the area of
>operating systems. They just do what they feel is best. But it is
>surprising that this arrogant attitude has still produced not one, but two,
>operating systems that I (and many other people) find less annoying than
>MacOS. Not as elegant, nor as pretty, but far less annoying.
I guess that's a matter of opinion. I find Windows more annoying than
ANYTHING, even DOS!
--
George Graves
Edward P Scholl
: > And I think Cringely is an idiot. I stopped reading his stuff a while ago.
: He is a bit strange, I'll give you that. The thing about the phony PhD was
: weird enough, but you should see his series on PBS called "Plane Crazy"
: where he claims to be able to design and build a new plane in a month, only
: the month passes and he only has about a quarter of the outer fibreglass
: shell done, then he gets mad, verbally abuses and then physically attacks
: the camerman (very entertaining) and then spends the next month building
: someone else's biplane from a kit.
phony PhD? never heard that one (but I don't pay too much attention to him).
sounds interesting. =) anyways, it's quite possible to design ad build a
plane within a month, if you have the manpower to actually build the silly
thing. designing a simple plane is easy enough, as most plane designs are
based on what's known about other planes, and even a crappy program like
AAA will get you a decent sizing and rough design that will (probably) fly
if you stay within generally accepted limitations...
-ed
Andrew Beyer
> What good is a pci bus on a laptop????????? what the fuck would fit in
> there, if it's just me being a ignorant desktop user say so.
yup, just you being ignorant. (you did ask for it ;)
The bus controls the i/o between subsystems, even if none of them are
actually expansion cards. Whether PCI is a big plus in situations like
this, I don't know. In desktops its necessary to support expansion, I
would guess that by using a standard PCI bus controller, the hope is to
make the hardware more standardized, and thus cheaper, and easier to
support from software.
--
Andrew Beyer
<bey...@rpi.edu>
Adam Hammer
there, if it's just me being a ignorant desktop user say so.
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> phony PhD? never heard that one (but I don't pay too much attention to
him).
> sounds interesting. =) anyways, it's quite possible to design ad build a
> plane within a month, if you have the manpower to actually build the silly
> thing. designing a simple plane is easy enough, as most plane designs are
> based on what's known about other planes, and even a crappy program like
> AAA will get you a decent sizing and rough design that will (probably) fly
> if you stay within generally accepted limitations...
Well, Cringely taught at university, but never received his actual PhD, from
what I understand of the story. He never claimed that he had a PhD in so
many words, but he implied it, and got caught, and his excuse was, um,
"imaginative" to say the least.
Cringely thought he could build his plane with a manpower of one. He
refused to accept help, saying that "help is never the help you want, so it
is actually a hindrance" which was also kind of amusing. He really thought
that he could design a new plane, build it and fly in in a month all by
himself. The video documentary showed the progress day by day. By day 23
things were getting pretty tense. :)
Jeremy Reimer
> The only reason why MacOS isn't 90%+ and and Windows nowhere is because of
> Apple's corporate greed and massive stupidity at a time when it was
> crucial that they allow licencing. A read of Jim Carlton's book would show
> anyone that this is absolute FACT.
I hereby retract my assertion that nobody agrees with the above point, as
two people have now done so. :) I also agree with it, incidentally.
> I don't hate Microsoft. I hate Windows. I'm mad a Microsoft for pawning
> such a horrible OS off on a largely unsuspecting public, and making it an
> inferior but firmly entrenched 'standard', but I don't hate them. In fact
> I use Office every day. Wouldn't be without it.
Funny, because some people hate MS and refuse to use Office. I've never met
a Mac fan(atic) who hated MS but loved MS Office. Well, we're all
individuals I suppose!
Windows *was* horrible, I agree with that, but each version has been
slightly less sucky than the last, and there have been so many versions that
at long last it is useable.
> I guess that's a matter of opinion. I find Windows more annoying than
> ANYTHING, even DOS!
It's totally a matter of opinion. The very same things that Mac fan(atics)
praise as superior design just bug the hell out of me (like single menubars
and modal dialogue boxes, not to mention single mousebuttons and
non-proportional scrollbars, and certainly not mentioning that old saw,
cooperative multitasking)
The things about Windows that Mac people find so annoying (broken links,
plug and pray, botched uninstallers) never seem to affect me, so they don't
annoy me. I get annoyed because they exist, but as real-world problems I
guess I've learned how not to poke the system in such a way that these
errors happen. Much like Mac users know how not to poke their system in
such a way that it crashes. When we switch boxes, our lack of familiarity
with the "other" OS causes us to do stupid things to the machine, which does
even more stupid things back.
George Graves
<jrei...@home.com> wrote:
>George Graves <gmgr...@slip.net> wrote in message
>news:gmgraves-140...@oak-pm3-5-133.dialup.slip.net...
>> The only reason why MacOS isn't 90%+ and and Windows nowhere is because of
>> Apple's corporate greed and massive stupidity at a time when it was
>> crucial that they allow licencing. A read of Jim Carlton's book would show
>> anyone that this is absolute FACT.
>
>I hereby retract my assertion that nobody agrees with the above point, as
>two people have now done so. :) I also agree with it, incidentally.
>
>> I don't hate Microsoft. I hate Windows. I'm mad a Microsoft for pawning
>> such a horrible OS off on a largely unsuspecting public, and making it an
>> inferior but firmly entrenched 'standard', but I don't hate them. In fact
>> I use Office every day. Wouldn't be without it.
>
>Funny, because some people hate MS and refuse to use Office. I've never met
>a Mac fan(atic) who hated MS but loved MS Office. Well, we're all
>individuals I suppose!
Let me say this again. I don't HATE Microsoft. I hate WINDOWS!
>
>Windows *was* horrible, I agree with that, but each version has been
>slightly less sucky than the last, and there have been so many versions that
>at long last it is useable.
Now, that's a matter of opinion. Yes its usable, but its still awful and
ugly and its certainly no fun to use.
--
George Graves
paul
<ad...@home.com> scribbled
>What good is a pci bus on a laptop????????? what the fuck would fit in
>there, if it's just me being a ignorant desktop user say so.
Speed.
Mine's also got a USB hub built in.
--
paul
Eliminate the negative to facilitate a positive reply.
Josiah Fizer
Whats more, most CARDBUS Pcmcia cards are PCI.
Jeremy Reimer
> Let me say this again. I don't HATE Microsoft. I hate WINDOWS!
And in this position, you are somewhat unique in c.s.m.a. Joe Ragosta hates
MS with a passion usually reserved for serial killers. (It makes no sense,
but he still has this attitude) znu is a Mac dude who doesn't hate MS
though (at least not totally) so you're not the only one.
Me, I think all OSes suck except Linux (and even Linux sucks) but Win98 at
home and WinNTWS at work/school is the least sucky of all possible sucky
combinations for me.
> Now, that's a matter of opinion. Yes its usable, but its still awful and
> ugly and its certainly no fun to use.
It's still ugly, but I don't spend hours looking at it.
It's still no fun to use, but I don't spend hours using it.
What I do with the OS is run applications, move files around, and... hey,
that's it. I don't spend hours worrying about how a file manager could be
made better. Windows NT Explorer works great, or use the My Computer for a
more Mac-like method. I don't spend hours worrying about DLL's... they've
never been a problem. I don't spend hours agonizing over the things that
people spend hours agonizing over in c.s.m.a... even Mac users, who have no
reason to! They are total non-issues for what I want to do with my
computer.
Windows 98/NT, while ugly and sucky, does a far better job of running the
applications and games that I want, and running many of them at the same
time, than any other hardware/OS combination available today. And that's
all I want them to do. I don't need beauty in my OS; I create beauty every
day in Photoshop and 3D Studio.