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Wa...@cowboy.net
Jun 26, 2018, 7:47:05 AM6/26/18
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In my old age and its senilty, I have forgotten much about XP.
I have inherited this BRAND-NEW STILL IN THE BOX eMachines T3104 PC,
and want to set it up for my grandson. It is set up as it comes with
some softwares. It boots up and runs fine, except for the internet,
which does not surprise me.
I have CAT5-connected the T3104 to my Verizon router, which is also
connected to, and runs fine with, this W7 PC.
I can't remember how to set up XP to connnect to this router. I have
tried many things to no avail-so I am missing something. I can't
even get to where it should ask for my router's password. I have
tried everything applicable in its XP's Control Panel, to no avail.
Now I need to ask for help.
Help?
JW
I have inherited this BRAND-NEW STILL IN THE BOX eMachines T3104 PC,
and want to set it up for my grandson. It is set up as it comes with
some softwares. It boots up and runs fine, except for the internet,
which does not surprise me.
I have CAT5-connected the T3104 to my Verizon router, which is also
connected to, and runs fine with, this W7 PC.
I can't remember how to set up XP to connnect to this router. I have
tried many things to no avail-so I am missing something. I can't
even get to where it should ask for my router's password. I have
tried everything applicable in its XP's Control Panel, to no avail.
Now I need to ask for help.
Help?
JW
Wa...@cowboy.net
Jun 26, 2018, 8:03:12 AM6/26/18
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icon in the task bar.
JW
Auric__
Jun 26, 2018, 11:10:29 AM6/26/18
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[cross-posting because the OP multi-posted]
Wayne wrote:
> In my old age and its senilty, I have forgotten much about XP.
>
> I have inherited this BRAND-NEW STILL IN THE BOX eMachines T3104 PC,
> and want to set it up for my grandson. It is set up as it comes with
> some softwares. It boots up and runs fine, except for the internet,
> which does not surprise me.
>
> I have CAT5-connected the T3104 to my Verizon router, which is also
> connected to, and runs fine with, this W7 PC.
>
> I can't remember how to set up XP to connnect to this router. I have
> tried many things to no avail-so I am missing something. I can't
> even get to where it should ask for my router's password. I have
> tried everything applicable in its XP's Control Panel, to no avail.
to the router shouldn't be necessary for a wired connection. I've certainly
never had to do so.
In the Control Panel, open Network Connections. There should be an entry
there called something like "Local Area Connection". (If nothing's there,
run Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> Communications -> Network Setup
Wizard.) Make sure it says it's "Connected", and not "Disabled".
If it says it's connected, but you can't get to any websites, then the
computer may be getting blocked by the router, which means you'll need to
login to the router itself (from your Win7 machine) and see if you can get
it working that way.
Or, you know, call Verizon's tech support and have them figure it out for
you.
On a side note, I think it's a bad idea to connect an XP machine to the
internet, especially one that hasn't had the most recent patches installed.
*Especially* if your grandson is a teenager, considering the kind of sites
he's likely to visit.
(Personally, I'd find a Linux distro meant for low-end machines and install
that instead. And I'd max out the RAM on the machine, if you can find any
DDR RAM on the cheap. Maybe install a bigger hard drive, too.)
--
You speak some of the right words but I don't think you've yet
found a place in yourself where you can endure for your lifetime.
Wayne wrote:
> In my old age and its senilty, I have forgotten much about XP.
>
> I have inherited this BRAND-NEW STILL IN THE BOX eMachines T3104 PC,
> and want to set it up for my grandson. It is set up as it comes with
> some softwares. It boots up and runs fine, except for the internet,
> which does not surprise me.
>
> I have CAT5-connected the T3104 to my Verizon router, which is also
> connected to, and runs fine with, this W7 PC.
>
> I can't remember how to set up XP to connnect to this router. I have
> tried many things to no avail-so I am missing something. I can't
> even get to where it should ask for my router's password. I have
> tried everything applicable in its XP's Control Panel, to no avail.
> Oh - I forgot to say that so far I cannot get any 'internet access'
> icon in the task bar.
> icon in the task bar.
> Now I need to ask for help.
>
> Help?
There shouldn't be anything necessary; it *should* "just work". Logging in
>
> Help?
to the router shouldn't be necessary for a wired connection. I've certainly
never had to do so.
In the Control Panel, open Network Connections. There should be an entry
there called something like "Local Area Connection". (If nothing's there,
run Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> Communications -> Network Setup
Wizard.) Make sure it says it's "Connected", and not "Disabled".
If it says it's connected, but you can't get to any websites, then the
computer may be getting blocked by the router, which means you'll need to
login to the router itself (from your Win7 machine) and see if you can get
it working that way.
Or, you know, call Verizon's tech support and have them figure it out for
you.
On a side note, I think it's a bad idea to connect an XP machine to the
internet, especially one that hasn't had the most recent patches installed.
*Especially* if your grandson is a teenager, considering the kind of sites
he's likely to visit.
(Personally, I'd find a Linux distro meant for low-end machines and install
that instead. And I'd max out the RAM on the machine, if you can find any
DDR RAM on the cheap. Maybe install a bigger hard drive, too.)
--
You speak some of the right words but I don't think you've yet
found a place in yourself where you can endure for your lifetime.
Wa...@cowboy.net
Jun 26, 2018, 12:07:31 PM6/26/18
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 15:10:28 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
<not.m...@email.address> wrote:
>[cross-posting because the OP multi-posted]
>
>Wayne wrote:
>
>> In my old age and its senilty, I have forgotten much about XP.
>>
>> I have inherited this BRAND-NEW STILL IN THE BOX eMachines T3104 PC,
>> and want to set it up for my grandson. It is set up as it comes with
>> some softwares. It boots up and runs fine, except for the internet,
>> which does not surprise me.
>>
>> I have CAT5-connected the T3104 to my Verizon router, which is also
>> connected to, and runs fine with, this W7 PC.
>>
>> I can't remember how to set up XP to connnect to this router. I have
>> tried many things to no avail-so I am missing something. I can't
>> even get to where it should ask for my router's password. I have
>> tried everything applicable in its XP's Control Panel, to no avail.
>> Oh - I forgot to say that so far I cannot get any 'internet access'
>> icon in the task bar.
>> Now I need to ask for help.
>>
>> Help?
>
>There shouldn't be anything necessary; it *should* "just work". Logging in
>to the router shouldn't be necessary for a wired connection. I've certainly
>never had to do so.
Well - I think it shud just work too - but it didn't. I ave always
<not.m...@email.address> wrote:
>[cross-posting because the OP multi-posted]
>
>Wayne wrote:
>
>> In my old age and its senilty, I have forgotten much about XP.
>>
>> I have inherited this BRAND-NEW STILL IN THE BOX eMachines T3104 PC,
>> and want to set it up for my grandson. It is set up as it comes with
>> some softwares. It boots up and runs fine, except for the internet,
>> which does not surprise me.
>>
>> I have CAT5-connected the T3104 to my Verizon router, which is also
>> connected to, and runs fine with, this W7 PC.
>>
>> I can't remember how to set up XP to connnect to this router. I have
>> tried many things to no avail-so I am missing something. I can't
>> even get to where it should ask for my router's password. I have
>> tried everything applicable in its XP's Control Panel, to no avail.
>> Oh - I forgot to say that so far I cannot get any 'internet access'
>> icon in the task bar.
>> Now I need to ask for help.
>>
>> Help?
>
>There shouldn't be anything necessary; it *should* "just work". Logging in
>to the router shouldn't be necessary for a wired connection. I've certainly
>never had to do so.
had to enter the Verizon router's pword in the past - I have connected
several PCs hard wired (cat5) and they all required that. I am
talking W7 8 and 10 tho. Even tho it is a wireless router which I
connect to my printers that way.
>
>In the Control Panel, open Network Connections. There should be an entry
>there called something like "Local Area Connection". (If nothing's there,
>run Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> Communications -> Network Setup
>Wizard.) Make sure it says it's "Connected", and not "Disabled".
I have (I think):
>In the Control Panel, open Network Connections. There should be an entry
>there called something like "Local Area Connection". (If nothing's there,
>run Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> Communications -> Network Setup
>Wizard.) Make sure it says it's "Connected", and not "Disabled".
connection manager
MSN disconnected firewalled
pci soft datafax modem with ......
internet gateway
internet connection
connected
internet connection
lan or highspeed internet
local area connection
connected firewalled
realtek rtl 8139 family ..........
>
>If it says it's connected, but you can't get to any websites, then the
>computer may be getting blocked by the router, which means you'll need to
>login to the router itself (from your Win7 machine) and see if you can get
>it working that way.
>
>Or, you know, call Verizon's tech support and have them figure it out for
>you.
We hate each other, but I may have to.
>Or, you know, call Verizon's tech support and have them figure it out for
>you.
>
>
>On a side note, I think it's a bad idea to connect an XP machine to the
>internet, especially one that hasn't had the most recent patches installed.
>*Especially* if your grandson is a teenager, considering the kind of sites
>he's likely to visit.
>
>(Personally, I'd find a Linux distro meant for low-end machines and install
>that instead. And I'd max out the RAM on the machine, if you can find any
>DDR RAM on the cheap. Maybe install a bigger hard drive, too.)
didn't want to open it up. But maybe I'll have to.
Thanks for your time + suggs.
JW
Auric__
Jun 26, 2018, 12:43:35 PM6/26/18
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at all with Verizon) so I can't really say anything about it.
>>In the Control Panel, open Network Connections. There should be an entry
>>there called something like "Local Area Connection". (If nothing's there,
>>run Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> Communications -> Network
>>Setup Wizard.) Make sure it says it's "Connected", and not "Disabled".
>
> I have (I think):
>
> connection manager
> MSN disconnected firewalled
> pci soft datafax modem with ......
>
> internet gateway
> internet connection
> connected
> internet connection
>
> lan or highspeed internet
> local area connection
> connected firewalled
> realtek rtl 8139 family ..........
working.
>>If it says it's connected, but you can't get to any websites, then the
>>computer may be getting blocked by the router, which means you'll need to
>>login to the router itself (from your Win7 machine) and see if you can get
>>it working that way.
>
> This reply is from my W10 PC.
>
>>Or, you know, call Verizon's tech support and have them figure it out for
>>you.
>
> We hate each other, but I may have to.
>>On a side note, I think it's a bad idea to connect an XP machine to the
>>internet, especially one that hasn't had the most recent patches
>>installed. *Especially* if your grandson is a teenager, considering the
>>kind of sites he's likely to visit.
>
> He is. Maybe W7. This machine has had no patches of course.
Win7 and Win10 is 1GB RAM, and that will feel sluggish for either OS.
And, again, don't internet XP. One visit to the wrong kind of site and it'll
be a biohazard box.
>>(Personally, I'd find a Linux distro meant for low-end machines and
>>install that instead. And I'd max out the RAM on the machine, if you can
>>find any DDR RAM on the cheap. Maybe install a bigger hard drive, too.)
>
> I have drives and RAM. It has 100GB drive and 1G Ram now I think. I
> didn't want to open it up. But maybe I'll have to.
> Thanks for your time + suggs.
tell you how much RAM Windows thinks is installed. This page:
http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/compatible-upgrade-for/eMachines/t3104
...says that machine maxes out at 2GB. (Don't buy from them if you already
have RAM that will work in that machine.)
--
The longer it takes, the better your chances of survival.
VanguardLH
Jun 26, 2018, 1:48:33 PM6/26/18
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Auric wrote:
> Wayne wrote:
>
>> lan or highspeed internet
>> local area connection
>> connected firewalled
>> realtek rtl 8139 family ..........
>
> That last one (Realtek RTL 8139) is your NIC. It's connected and *should* be
> working.
The OS saying "connected" merely means the driver has returned good
status from it attempting to access the NIC. That's an internal check.
The NIC is working as far as the OS is concerned through the drivers but
is the physical connection okay between the endpoints? Ports could be
faulty. Cables might be bad. Female RJ-45 connectors have exposed
flexible wires that contact the pins on the male RJ-45 plug, and those
wires can get bent. Tugging on the male RJ-45 plug can break the
connection to the cable wiring.
Do an external check on the connections. Look at the Ethernet ports on
the computer and on the router. When there is a hardware-level link,
there should be a green LED indicating such.
https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E22693_01/doc.12/e23342/figures/T4_127947.jpg
1 = Link
2 = Activity
Link lights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZn9kB0Wg2U
Routers could have ports disabled. MAC addressing might be enabled in
the router which means only the listed MACs are allowed to use the
router. If the OP hasn't performed any tweaking of the router's
configuration, he might try resetting it. Since ports can go bad, try a
different port in the router. Routers can go flaky and eventually die.
They don't use fans but rely solely on convection cooling. Blocking
airflow, like stacking anything atop the router, and with already poor
heat transfer can eventually burn up a router. They usually first
become flaky the symptoms of which range widely.
Presumably the OP bought a pre-built CAT5 cable; however, if you bought
the just the cable to cut to length and used a crimping tool to fashion
the cable to a desired length, like when running cable through you home,
the maximum length per run is 100 meters or ~300 feet. For longer runs,
you need to insert a switch (or router since those have switches) or
repeater to use a longer overall run. The Link LED will indicate if the
cable is good.
> Wayne wrote:
>
>> lan or highspeed internet
>> local area connection
>> connected firewalled
>> realtek rtl 8139 family ..........
>
> That last one (Realtek RTL 8139) is your NIC. It's connected and *should* be
> working.
status from it attempting to access the NIC. That's an internal check.
The NIC is working as far as the OS is concerned through the drivers but
is the physical connection okay between the endpoints? Ports could be
faulty. Cables might be bad. Female RJ-45 connectors have exposed
flexible wires that contact the pins on the male RJ-45 plug, and those
wires can get bent. Tugging on the male RJ-45 plug can break the
connection to the cable wiring.
Do an external check on the connections. Look at the Ethernet ports on
the computer and on the router. When there is a hardware-level link,
there should be a green LED indicating such.
https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E22693_01/doc.12/e23342/figures/T4_127947.jpg
1 = Link
2 = Activity
Link lights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZn9kB0Wg2U
Routers could have ports disabled. MAC addressing might be enabled in
the router which means only the listed MACs are allowed to use the
router. If the OP hasn't performed any tweaking of the router's
configuration, he might try resetting it. Since ports can go bad, try a
different port in the router. Routers can go flaky and eventually die.
They don't use fans but rely solely on convection cooling. Blocking
airflow, like stacking anything atop the router, and with already poor
heat transfer can eventually burn up a router. They usually first
become flaky the symptoms of which range widely.
Presumably the OP bought a pre-built CAT5 cable; however, if you bought
the just the cable to cut to length and used a crimping tool to fashion
the cable to a desired length, like when running cable through you home,
the maximum length per run is 100 meters or ~300 feet. For longer runs,
you need to insert a switch (or router since those have switches) or
repeater to use a longer overall run. The Link LED will indicate if the
cable is good.
Wa...@cowboy.net
Jun 26, 2018, 7:18:39 PM6/26/18
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connected to a working PC I have and I simply detached the computer
end and put that end into this eMachine. Good thought tho.
Thanks again
JW
Wa...@cowboy.net
Jun 26, 2018, 7:46:50 PM6/26/18
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 16:43:34 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
Control Panel>SystemProperties came saying:
2.80GHz 960MBytes of RAM
JW
2.80GHz 960MBytes of RAM
JW
VanguardLH
Jun 26, 2018, 10:12:27 PM6/26/18
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Wayne wrote:
> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Do an external check on the connections. Look at the Ethernet ports
>> on the computer and on the router. When there is a hardware-level
>> link, there should be a green LED indicating such.
>>
>> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E22693_01/doc.12/e23342/figures/T4_127947.jpg
>> 1 = Link
>> 2 = Activity
>>
>> Link lights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZn9kB0Wg2U
>>
the ports into which both ends of the cable are plugged? The cable
looks good but those Link LEDs must come on to show there is a valid
hardware connection AND the hardware-level networking is working. Each
node (router & PC) must communicate with each other over the cable.
Windows XP comes with a built-in firewall. You said the WinXP host was
a pristine setup but, as I recall, Microsoft has their firewall
enabled. It should only restricting unsolicited inbount connection
request and allowing all outbound connection requests. Try disable the
Windows Firewall and retest.
You said "some softwares" came bundled on the stored WinXP host.
Awhile back, Norton and other antivirus or security software came
bundled on default setups for pre-built PCs. They were only trial
versions. You got to use them for a month, or so, and then they
disabled themself. Well, if any of those pre-installed programs
intercepts or interrogates the network traffic but expires so it is
non-functional, it could take out the network access. What
pre-installed software came on this PC?
> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Do an external check on the connections. Look at the Ethernet ports
>> on the computer and on the router. When there is a hardware-level
>> link, there should be a green LED indicating such.
>>
>> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E22693_01/doc.12/e23342/figures/T4_127947.jpg
>> 1 = Link
>> 2 = Activity
>>
>> Link lights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZn9kB0Wg2U
>>
>> Presumably the OP bought a pre-built CAT5 cable; however, if you
>> bought the just the cable to cut to length and used a crimping tool
>> to fashion the cable to a desired length, like when running cable
>> through you home, the maximum length per run is 100 meters or ~300
>> feet. For longer runs, you need to insert a switch (or router since
>> those have switches) or repeater to use a longer overall run. The
>> Link LED will indicate if the cable is good.
>
> Actually, I am using a cat5 cable I know to be good because it was
> connected to a working PC I have and I simply detached the computer
> end and put that end into this eMachine. Good thought tho.
Per the first part of my prior reply, have you check the Link LEDs at
>> bought the just the cable to cut to length and used a crimping tool
>> to fashion the cable to a desired length, like when running cable
>> through you home, the maximum length per run is 100 meters or ~300
>> feet. For longer runs, you need to insert a switch (or router since
>> those have switches) or repeater to use a longer overall run. The
>> Link LED will indicate if the cable is good.
>
> Actually, I am using a cat5 cable I know to be good because it was
> connected to a working PC I have and I simply detached the computer
> end and put that end into this eMachine. Good thought tho.
the ports into which both ends of the cable are plugged? The cable
looks good but those Link LEDs must come on to show there is a valid
hardware connection AND the hardware-level networking is working. Each
node (router & PC) must communicate with each other over the cable.
Windows XP comes with a built-in firewall. You said the WinXP host was
a pristine setup but, as I recall, Microsoft has their firewall
enabled. It should only restricting unsolicited inbount connection
request and allowing all outbound connection requests. Try disable the
Windows Firewall and retest.
You said "some softwares" came bundled on the stored WinXP host.
Awhile back, Norton and other antivirus or security software came
bundled on default setups for pre-built PCs. They were only trial
versions. You got to use them for a month, or so, and then they
disabled themself. Well, if any of those pre-installed programs
intercepts or interrogates the network traffic but expires so it is
non-functional, it could take out the network access. What
pre-installed software came on this PC?
Wa...@cowboy.net
Jun 29, 2018, 7:37:26 AM6/29/18
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I am ready to give up on trying to get this eMachines T3109 PC to
connect to the web. It is useless to me of course if it won't do
that.
Even tho the machine was fresh in an unopened box, it booted up fine,
but wud not connect to the web. I thought it should.
Anyway, because of earlier comments, I thought to try to install W7 on
it. It would not - it hung at the end - with a screen of garbage.
So my guess this machine is not strong enuff to take W7 as was
suggested.
Of course, in the process, the WXP that came with it is now gone. I
can and did install my WXP SP3 disk tho. The PC is again up, but
still no connect.
Shud I quit?
Thanks all
JW
Wa...@cowboy.net
Jun 29, 2018, 5:07:43 PM6/29/18
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bar, right-clicking on which shows I am connected at 100Mbps, but I
still cannot connect using internet explorer. Diagnostic suggests
checking firewall settings for some ports (HTTP, HTTPS, and FTP), but
I know not how to do that.
???
JW
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