So, how many clicks to the Bang?
Steven W. Smith
When one fired a claymore, did you click the detonator 3 times or did
it go "BANG" on the first click?
Now, I wasn't a grunt and I never fired a claymore.
It doesn't make sense to click it three times! Why would you want one
that you had to click 3 times? Hell's bells, when you need it, you
need it now!
If you did click it 3 times, was the count a property of the detonator
(it didn't send voltage until the third click) or was it a property of
the cap (it didn't fire until it got three signals)?
Did the count persist if you unplugged the wire or did you get a new
three clicks?
If I walked up to an existing installation, how could I know which
click it was on without firing it?
As I have mentioned before, I went through a rather lengthy criminal
proceeding because someone wrapped claymore and field telephone wires
together. During these proceedings, the properties of blasting caps
were discussed in detail by experts while I listened carefully. The
idea of three clicks was never brought up.
I have pulled guard duty where we had claymores installed. Nobody ever
told me that I had to click it three times.
Smith
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pat...@memes.com
<swsmith...@delmar.edu.invalid> wrote:
Bert gave you a specific technical answer, I erased everything so
don't have it handy. It required three clicks.
1. Test it click
2. Install the claymore and test the circuit click
3. Armed and dangerous,,,,,,,someone is comming to get you....click
These things were routinely messed with, they were very unreliable and
we hated them with a passion. The problem is we didn't have a
replacement other than grenade, which we used more often than the
claymore because it was not so dangerous for many reasons.
I might be able to recommend something very specific if you are trying
to prove a point to the review board. Look up Rumor's of War by Philip
Caputo. His publishing house or agent can find him, he is in Chicago
somewhere. He once gave the order to not use them if at all possible.
If I remember right, which is iffy, we quit using them when c4 became
readily available. I will ask one of the guys in my fire team tonight
and see if he can help out with this if Bert does'nt get back to you
first.
In case you are wondering, my civilian occupation according to my
discharge paper dd214 is 0-50.54 Proof Director Firearms on line 23b
Civilian Occupation and D.O.T. number. That basically means smart ass
mode is off and I may be able to look into this issue further for you.
Steven W. Smith
> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:37:39 -0700, Steven W. Smith
> <swsmith...@delmar.edu.invalid> wrote:
> Bert gave you a specific technical answer
Yeah, and it was probably a good one, too. However, (as usual) he
didn't hang around long enough to complete the discussion.
> I erased everything so
> don't have it handy.
Well, tough shit! Why don't you learn how to use that box?
> It required three clicks.
> 1. Test it click
> 2. Install the claymore and test the circuit click
> 3. Armed and dangerous,,,,,,,someone is comming to get
> you....click
> These things were routinely messed with, they were very unreliable
OK. I need to document this bullshit. I don't need some drunken half
Indian's (Salute to Sitting Bull or whoever) word on it. How many
fuckin' clicks were neded to set one off?
> and
> we hated them with a passion.
Your preferences are noted. <YAWN>
> The problem is we didn't have a
> replacement other than grenade, which we used more often than the
> claymore because it was not so dangerous for many reasons.
> I might be able to recommend something very specific if you are
> trying
> to prove a point to the review board.
BINGO! Asshole! How many clicks did it take?
> Look up Rumor's of War by Philip Caputo.
*Rumors of War*, moron, It's not possessive. I've read it.
> His publishing house or agent can find him, he is in
> Chicago somewhere.
Yeah...somewhere out there. Once you get east of Reno, it all blends
in.
> He once gave the order to not use them if at all
> possible.
HDYK (How Do You Know?)
> If I remember right, which is iffy, we quit using them when c4
> became
> readily available. I will ask one of the guys in my fire team
> tonight
> and see if he can help out with this if Bert does'nt get back to
> you first.
Doubtful, IMHO.
> In case you are wondering, my civilian occupation according to my
> discharge paper dd214 is 0-50.54 Proof Director Firearms on line
> 23b
> Civilian Occupation and D.O.T. number. That basically means smart
> ass
> mode is off and I may be able to look into this issue further for
> you.
Hey! You've just impressed the shit out of me! Now document something
that I can use.
dino
suicide after a Dear John letter. A guy in our platoon pulled the blasting cap
as he squeezed the device. The guy pulling the cap got some nasty cuts.
I personnally never pulled a claymore, although it was a constant companion. (I
also busted several apart to get a glob of C-4 for hot coffee, etc.)
The 3 squeezes ranks up there with the 130 degees in the shade bullshit or the 5
step Charlie crap that I constanty heard from those who should have known
better.
dino
In article <000b8d9b...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com>, Steven says...
>
>This is a serious question:
>
>When one fired a claymore, did you click the detonator 3 times or did
>it go "BANG" on the first click?
>
>Now, I wasn't a grunt and I never fired a claymore.
>
>It doesn't make sense to click it three times! Why would you want one
>that you had to click 3 times? Hell's bells, when you need it, you
>need it now!
>
>If you did click it 3 times, was the count a property of the detonator
>(it didn't send voltage until the third click) or was it a property of
>the cap (it didn't fire until it got three signals)?
>
>Did the count persist if you unplugged the wire or did you get a new
>three clicks?
>
>If I walked up to an existing installation, how could I know which
>click it was on without firing it?
>
>As I have mentioned before, I went through a rather lengthy criminal
>proceeding because someone wrapped claymore and field telephone wires
>together. During these proceedings, the properties of blasting caps
>were discussed in detail by experts while I listened carefully. The
>idea of three clicks was never brought up.
>
>I have pulled guard duty where we had claymores installed. Nobody ever
>told me that I had to click it three times.
>
Steven W. Smith
<dino_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> One squeeze was enough.
And how do you know? Was it always enough? Did they "test the
circuit" with a couple of clicks before you got it?
I have a picture of a gunner that tried
> to commit
> suicide after a Dear John letter.
Awwww!
> A guy in our platoon pulled the
> blasting cap
> as he squeezed the device.
How do you know that it hadn't been previously squeezed twice before he
pulled it?
> The guy pulling the cap got some nasty
> cuts.
Yeah, I've seen what they can do. It isn't pretty.
> I personnally never pulled a claymore, although it was a constant
> companion. (I
> also busted several apart to get a glob of C-4 for hot coffee,
> etc.)
Yes, I, also, have a fondness for hot coffee.
> The 3 squeezes ranks up there with the 130 degees in the shade
> bullshit or the 5
> step Charlie crap that I constanty heard from those who should
> have known
> better.
That's my understanding. Three squeezes is news to me!
> dino
pat...@memes.com
<swsmith...@delmar.edu.invalid> wrote:
Begin the process of educating yourself, I work for a living.
http://www.iinet.net.au/~pictim/p7.htm
Try the bottom of the page and then write a "nice" letter to the
experts, they might even send you one if you tell them a sad enough
story.
pat...@memes.com
<swsmith...@delmar.edu.invalid> wrote:
Here you can find every expert on earth on mines. They might even
give you a factory tour if you ask nice. The Claymore specifically
was made in the U.S., maybe you can have some fun and hitchhike to
their facilities.
Jim
before pulling in a claymore. Unfortunately the little plastic nubbin that
held the safety up in place was broken off. He'd dropped the clacker in the
hole he was standing in and pulling on the electrical wire. As the mine
neared his position he stepped forward to get a better reach on the wire.
Bang. Woke me out of a sound early morning sleep. I came up firing out of
the perimeter but quickly realized there was something wrong. He was alive
but looked like a partial eclipse. Half his upper torso was blackened from
the blast. The mine had been facing upward I guess. One click is all it
takes. And always disconnect the clacker, close the cap over the electrical
wire (supposedly static could enter and detonate a fuse/claymore), and then
start pulling with your head down in the hole. No telling what might
suddenly come your way. I got a kick out of Charlie Sheen pounding
repeatedly on that clacker in PLATOON. One click has been my repeated
experience. Not everyone needed a claymore, but those who did needed it
desperately. When you pulled guard duty you checked your position including
the positioning of your claymores. Also - those movie scenes where the guy
steps on a mine and there's an audible click and he can't move? Never heard
one. Just kablam. And life is different for all involved from then on.
Thanks for the opportunity to share.
Jim A, 5/46, 198th LIB, Americal 69-70
http://combatinfantry.webjump.com
Steven W. Smith wrote in message
<000b8d9b...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com>...
>This is a serious question:
>
>When one fired a claymore, did you click the detonator 3 times or did
>it go "BANG" on the first click?
>
>Now, I wasn't a grunt and I never fired a claymore.
>
>It doesn't make sense to click it three times! Why would you want one
>that you had to click 3 times? Hell's bells, when you need it, you
>need it now!
>
>If you did click it 3 times, was the count a property of the detonator
>(it didn't send voltage until the third click) or was it a property of
>the cap (it didn't fire until it got three signals)?
>
>Did the count persist if you unplugged the wire or did you get a new
>three clicks?
>
>If I walked up to an existing installation, how could I know which
>click it was on without firing it?
>
>As I have mentioned before, I went through a rather lengthy criminal
>proceeding because someone wrapped claymore and field telephone wires
>together. During these proceedings, the properties of blasting caps
>were discussed in detail by experts while I listened carefully. The
>idea of three clicks was never brought up.
>
>I have pulled guard duty where we had claymores installed. Nobody ever
>told me that I had to click it three times.
>
pat...@memes.com
<swsmith...@delmar.edu.invalid> wrote:
Get it while its hot.
You are looking for the M18, call them in the morning and see if they
can tell you about the clicker. Be sure and tell them you are just a
Texican. They way they will talk slow to make sure you understand
them.
http://www.angelfire.com/bc/SgtQuartermaster/CDR130.html
RAYPOLLAR
click rule might have come from training methods. Yes you did keep your head
down but my FNG training pointed out that you did that because the NVA sappers
were known to turn the claymores around to where they faced the perimeter. This
was probably true at places with permanant wire (Carroll, VCB, Danang and
others) in the field you set up the claymores each night and brought them in
each morning. Used them for night ambushes too.
By the way, C4 was far superior to heat tabs for warming food. I think the
smell of C4 ranks right up there with burning shitters for one of the all time
memories of my time in country. The claymore was supposed to have about a pound
of C4 and 1000 steel balls arranged in a arc shaped housing that spread a
pattern of steel out and up like a slice of a pie chart.
Ray Pollard
USMC I-Corps 1967,68,69
swsmith
Heck, I thought I *was* educated on the topic until grunts here started
talking about "click three times". I wonder where that came from?
swsmith
Internet skills. That looks like an authoritative source.
swsmith
before dishonor" t-shirts, do you?
All bullshit aside, that's probably a good reference.
I think that we're about to come to the agreement that one click and
BANG! That was how I thought that the world worked.
swsmith
<jjp...@interactive.net> wrote:
> One click could set off a claymore. Had a guy not disconnect the
> clacker
> before pulling in a claymore.
I was a REMF at Vung Tau on my second tour. I don't know why they set
claymores there...they'd poured concrete behind them. Sombody on the
next bunker had wrapped the claymore wires with the field telephone
wires around a nail in the frame.
About 2200, some idiot decides to slip through the wire buying dope or
getting laid...whatever. Somebody saw him coming or going and rang the
phone. The asshole was directly in front of it. They literally had a
company police call to pick him up.
The story gets worse from there. I had been in a chow line scuffle
with the guy earlier. Racial slurs were tossed both ways and we had
each said that we would kill the other that night. (Oops) I spent
eight months in LBJ charged with murder.
dino
enough electricity to detonate the blasting cap, and, of course, the cap
detonated the C-4. I believe I saw a movie once where a soldier squeezed the
device three times before it went off, but that is just Hollywood.
If there was a built in capacitor that stored the voltage until it reached a
certain point, then several squeezes would make sense, but I never heard of
such.
dino
In article <19991021004704...@ng-fq1.aol.com>, rayp...@aol.com
says...
swsmith
rayp...@aol.com (RAYPOLLAR) wrote:
> It took one click to set it off, providing the wires were still
> intact. The 3
> click rule might have come from training methods.
Duuuh, why would they train people that it needed to be clicked thrice
when one was all it took?
> By the way, C4 was far superior to heat tabs for warming food.
> I think the
> smell of C4 ranks right up there with burning shitters for one of
> the all time
> memories of my time in country.
Yes, a smell is certainly piquant, isn't it. I go to aerobics in the
pool every day with my wife. The leader was playing the same Frank
Sinatra tape that AFVN radio played on an endless loop to signal final
evacuation. I recall trying to get to Saigon and wondering why they
had decided to have "Frank Sinatra hour" at a time like this.
The claymore was supposed to have
> about a pound
> of C4
1.7 lb, I'm told.
> and 1000 steel balls arranged in a arc shaped housing that
> spread a
> pattern of steel out and up like a slice of a pie chart.
I heard that some were manufactured with flechettes...heard that in
testimony from an "expert" witness.
> Ray Pollard
> USMC I-Corps 1967,68,69
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> I think that we're about to come to the agreement that one click and
> BANG! That was how I thought that the world worked.
And, if we don't at first succeed, we click again.!
Steven W. Smith
wrote:
> The small hand held generator that one squeezed was just a device
> to generate
> enough electricity to detonate the blasting cap, and, of course,
> the cap
> detonated the C-4.
When I was going through the endless loop of article 32 investigation
hearings, I heard testimony from an ordinance specialist who said that
it was a "pizio-electric device"...I probably didn't spell it
correctly; my checker doesn't like it but offers only "pizza" as an
alternative. Anyway, it's supposed to be generated from crystals
somehow. There are cigarette lighters out now that work the same way.
> I believe I saw a movie once where a soldier
> squeezed the
> device three times before it went off, but that is just Hollywood.
Most notably, *Platoon*. I wrote it off until I started hearing it
from grunts here. Heck, they use blank adaptors in the movies. I'd
consider it odd if people who obviously were there started talking
about going on patrol with a blank adaptor on their rifle.
> If there was a built in capacitor that stored the voltage until it
> reached a
> certain point, then several squeezes would make sense, but I never
> heard of
> such.
> dino
OK, I think it's nailed down...once it's connected, you're one click
away from bang city.
Smith
pat...@memes.com
John Thompson
>
> This is a serious question:
Steve,
What a change. Writting something and need some research? Well on to
it.
Claymore: 700 steel ball in a plastic and C4 matrix (approx. 1 pound of
C4) with a standard issue cap to trigger. The dentonator was a standard
5ma electrical handheld. One "click after set up and it was gone.
Steel ball spread in a wedge pie pattern at approx. 330 m/s. WHen set
off it twer best to be hunkered down close to the ground as the is a 16
meter back blast danger area. The frontal killing area was rated as 50
meters. This could vary depending on terrain and placement and how
well/poorly set up. The "three clicks" that you are asking about was
proably Hollywood at it's best. The C4, when removed (lay convex side
down, take issue knife and stick in corner and pry), was the best thing
to heat coffee with. Worked far better than heat tabs and always made
the eyes of NFG's and REMFs lite up also.
Good 'nuff?
johnt
--
"And I, I just took a ride ... on my silver machine, and I'm feelin'
mean."
-Hawkwind
HOLLIS6475
>smell of C4 ranks right up there
IMHO, that stupid quote should have been, " I just love the smeel of C-4 in the
morning,"........ The idea of being able to "brew up" a cup of Java........
rates right up there with a cold beer dispenser in de Bush!!!!.
H.
reply to Point...@AOL.COM (this address is closed for a while the spammer
have got it)
Steven W. Smith
Steven W. Smith
they were supposed to be in that direction? What if the enemy couldn't
read English?
Burning questions in search of answers!
Herb F.
Take your pills immediately. The asshole in you is coming out again.
You are acting as if this newsgroup owed you something. I think it is
clear that it takes three clicks to test the Claymore properly as per
the book, but just one click to make it go bang. I doubt that any of
this will be helpful to you since I would think the mine was set off by
contact with the wire and not a click in your case.
At any rate, it is your responsibility to get written data, not ours. As
I have told you so many times, get your shit together.
John Thompson
> So, when it said, "FRONT TOWARDS ENEMY", how did the enemy know that
> they were supposed to be in that direction? What if the enemy couldn't
> read English?
Steve,
It wasn't "them" who had to know which direction they had to be. That
is left as an exercise for the _user_.
If the "enemy" couldn't read English, well there is one universal
language:
When flesh meets steel, steel always wins.
> Burning questions in search of answers!
Some Preperation H is supposed to take care of that burning sensation.
Al Zeller
>
> So, when it said, "FRONT TOWARDS ENEMY", how did the enemy know that
> they were supposed to be in that direction? What if the enemy couldn't
> read English?
>
>
>
During Operation Crazy Horse, apparently one of the NVA had trouble with
that phrase. He set up a captured claymores pointed towards himself.
That cord was nowhere long enough to save his ass when he popped it.
Guess you could say that was the start of smart weapons. Or dumb
enemies.
Al
pat...@memes.com
wrote:
We had a situation at the Old French Fort on Hai Van Pass where the
sappers turned the units around, then went back behind safety and made
all kinds of noise, one of the L.P. lookouts blew the claymore.
He didn't get hurt, but we were always on the lookout for that trick.
Make no mistake, the V.C. played dirty pool and were very good at it.
They probably had some kid in the villages teach them all they needed
to know about english and idiomatic terms they needed.
Steven W. Smith
Be...@webtv.net (Herb F.) wrote:
> Stevie,
> Take your pills immediately. The asshole in you is coming out
> again.
Eat shit, "Herbie"! The asshole in me is *never* very far from the
surface. The best way to avoid it is to not heckle me.
> You are acting as if this newsgroup owed you something.
Bullshit! I've never said that or anything even close.
> I think it is clear that it takes three clicks to test
> the Claymore properly as per the book
What book?
> but just one click
> to make it go bang.
That's rich. If it's bang city on the first click, then what are you
testing on the other two? I'll have more respect for you if you'll
just admit you're wrong and let it go at that.
> I doubt that any of this will be helpful to you since I would
> think the mine was set off by
> contact with the wire and not a click in your case.
More likely induction through the coil, but the same idea.
> At any rate, it is your responsibility to get written data, not
> ours.
You're the one who said three clicks, not me. Patrick quoted you; at
least he said that he didn't know. I've heard it from others posting
here, too. I guess that allot of people saw *Platoon*, huh?
Also, you're the one quoting "the book". There're a heck of a lot of
books in the world, Herb. Could you be a little more specific?
> As I have told you so many times, get your shit together.
I'll bet your kids (not to bring up your family, I'm sure they're fine
people) love it when you talk to them like that.
Steven W. Smith
early '69...couldn't have been the same one, could it?
Craig Thompson
swsmith...@delmar.edu.invalid (Steven W. Smith) wrote in
<11f733ec...@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com>:
dino
>
>The asshole was directly in front of it. They literally had a company police
>>call to pick him up.
>
While with the 82nd Airborne Division in Vietnam, a sergeant in our Company
became impatient because the pointman was walking too slowly down a trail. He
started walking forward as fast as he could and pushed and shoved everyone until
he got to the pointman. The sergeant grabbed the pointman by the arm and slung
him backwards and said, "I'll show you sons of bitches how to walk point!"
He took off as quickly as he could and no one was keeping up with him. He had
barely went a few meters when he tripped a booby trapped Claymore. The
expression "blew his brains out" was appropriate. Most of his body was put on a
chopper and flown out. Fortunately, he was the only casualty from that
foolhardy trick.
dino
Nigel N. Brooks
http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/23-23/toc.htm
Nigel Brooks
Steven W. Smith <swsmith...@delmar.edu.invalid> wrote in message
news:0a0133f8...@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com...
Steven W. Smith
Thompson) wrote:
> Maybe, my year was June 1968 -- June 1969.
Coulda been late '68...we were supporting the 173rd out of Tuy Hua
(134th AHC)...north of Tuy Hua, go inland 20-30 clicks to some
gawd-forsaken firebase...sitting on a bunker...passing a joint (damn
stuff always did give me a headache)..."this is no bullshit, now", he
said...who said?...fucked if I know, somebody with a 173rd patch on
their sleeve.
He told the same story. Right down to the guy peeing his pants.
whatever...
Steven W. Smith
thing. Which topic do I have to read?
It probably says that it's three clicks! I'll be dammed if I'm going
to look for it...which page?
Nigel N. Brooks
Nigel Brooks
Steven W. Smith <swsmith...@delmar.edu.invalid> wrote in message
news:000b8d9b...@usw-ex0106-043.remarq.com...
dave gaither
Nigel N. Brooks wrote in message ...
>One click was all it took
>
Hey, that was the name of a song, wasnt it? "Just one click, thats all it
took"..... Seriously, that field manual was sorthing else! Well done!
Dave
Americal 69-70
Ted Gittinger
Craig Thompson wrote in message .
>My narrative is at http://www.olywa.net/sdotctho/wasilow.htm if anyone is
>interested.
>
>I guess if we were to try and draw some lesson from this it would be that
>the best of us can fuck up, or that the worst of us can excel.
>
>To fallen comrades,
>
>Craig
.
Sometimes there is nothing else to say.
But there are those who will say it anyway.
Warm regards,
ted gittinger
Craig Thompson
close to the truth.
Don't see how it could be two different incidents.
The guy who set off the claymore died November 24, 1968. It would have
been before that.
A genuine hero BTW, we (our platoon) were pinned by a company of NVA with
a river to our backs. The rounds were coming into the tree I was behind
so thick it was like someone was throwing buckets of sawdust into my
face. Him and his assistant gunner (M-60 for those who wouldn't know)
got up and walked into that. That drew enough fire that we were able to
maneuver and get them to withdraw.
My narrative is at http://www.olywa.net/sdotctho/wasilow.htm if anyone is
interested.
I guess if we were to try and draw some lesson from this it would be that
the best of us can fuck up, or that the worst of us can excel.
To fallen comrades,
Craig
swsmith...@delmar.edu.invalid (Steven W. Smith) wrote in
<11f733ec...@usw-ex0106-043.remarq.com>:
>In article <8E66995...@news.olywa.net>, sdot...@olywa.net (Craig
>Thompson) wrote:
>> Maybe, my year was June 1968 -- June 1969.
>
>Coulda been late '68...we were supporting the 173rd out of Tuy Hua
>(134th AHC)...north of Tuy Hua, go inland 20-30 clicks to some
>gawd-forsaken firebase...sitting on a bunker...passing a joint (damn
>stuff always did give me a headache)..."this is no bullshit, now", he
>said...who said?...fucked if I know, somebody with a 173rd patch on
>their sleeve.
>
>He told the same story. Right down to the guy peeing his pants.
>
>whatever...
>
Steven W. Smith
Thompson) wrote:
[...]
> To fallen comrades,
> Craig
May they never be forgotten!
Charles G. White
Charles G. White wrote in message
> I suppose the difference is that we are not as likely to
> accidentally kill anyone with "our computers".
William Nauroth
I saw it take more than one click was when the safety had not been taken
off and in the panic of the moment the clacker was hit until the safety
broke or was pushed out of the way.
A question, wasn't there a device that could be attached to the clacker,
separate from the wire, to test if it was generating enough of a charge
to set off the cap?
Bill
William Nauroth
Craig Thompson wrote:
>
> To fallen comrades,
>
> Craig
>
Jim
show adequacy. But having to carry all the shit you might possibly need got
to be a chore. Sacrifices had to be made. (Didn't want to give up that
cassette player powered by a chunk of old PRC 25 battery - your sense of
priorities gets perverted after awhile in the field). There was also those
cube shaped 6 volt batteries that we carried. This was used, along with a C
rat spoon and a trip wire, to rig mechanical ambushes. That battery? Last
thing attached and the first thing off in the morning. Loved that chore.
(Being cynical here). Seen a dew covered leaf complete a circuit and
detonate a series of daisy chained claymores. Okay, didn't actually 'see'
it, but that was the only reason we could come up with for the temporary
loss of hearing after that little pop. When you're drowsy on ambush that'll
make your heart pump at maximum output. I swear sometimes I had so much
adrenaline forced through my arteries I could've personally tipped over one
of Bill Clarke's clunkers by myself. Well, maybe not. I'd have to get over
the punji stakes first to grab into the deflated treads and who'd want to
ruin a good pair of boots just to show off.
Jim A, 5/46, 198th LIB, Americal 69-70
http://combatinfantry.webjump.com
William Nauroth wrote in message <3810BFAA...@us.oracle.com>...
CuchiD...@webtv.net
in PLATOON. One click has been my repeated experience.]
In defense of poor Charlie,he was a FNG,he was instructed to click 3
times,and when he panicked,the other troop yelled: "Take the safety off
asshole" or something similar,just before he took it away from him and
blew the claymores. My kids wore that movie out,they knew the whole
script.One line comes to mind now in reference to a certain frequent
poster here "Give it a rest,you don't have to be an asshole EVERY day of
your life" -Sgt. Elias
Live free or die ! Don't tread on me ! The cost of freedom is eternal
vigilance.
Paul Edwards
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This isn't a flame or an attempt to get flames started. I know when Platoon
came out everyone was saying it was so realistic you could almost smell the
place. Well I went to see it. I had never seen shit burned before,
we(Marines) didn't have any friction among the Senior NCO's. About the only
friction I can remember was between the "Mustang" Officers and the Academy
Officers. If there was friction someone went. We didn't have places with
lighting to smoke dope in. all we had was bunkers. We didn't have safe
places to come back too. we stayed out there and I can never remember being
on less than 50% alert. About the only shelter we had were those little
things called shelter halves where you would put two of them together to
make a little place to crawl into. They didn't keep out the rain and bugs
so we might as well not had anything. When we went into the RockPile we
didn't even have panchos. Muddy ground and wet woolen blankets weren't very
comfortable. I didn't recognize much in the movie except he got the color
of the BNG right as he died. I guess a Doc would notice that. The other
thing was the firefight at the end. You never forget those. I guess what
I'm trying to say is different services had different ways. this was the
last movie I saw in a theatre.
Semper Fi
The Doc
Don Thompson
I saw that one in a theater too. As I was constantly saying BULLSHIT etc.
some young guy behind me was saying hey shut up I turned around and told the
F**ker to get the hell off my back I had been there and done that and Oliver
Stoned wasn't getting it right.I guess he saw the backblast about to come so he
let it go the rest of the movie I kinda toned it down some too so I guess it
turned out all right.
Wet wool blankets were better than a poncho anyway body heat eventually
warmed the wet wool but that rubberised crap NEVER got warm.
They didn't call the airops building at LS20A the "icehouse" for nothing <G>
Don Thompson
Zoomie
>This isn't a flame or an attempt to get flames started. I know when Platoon
>came out everyone was saying it was so realistic you could almost smell the
>place. Well I went to see it. I had never seen shit burned before,
>we(Marines) didn't have any friction among the Senior NCO's. About the only
>friction I can remember was between the "Mustang" Officers and the Academy
>Officers. If there was friction someone went. We didn't have places with
>lighting to smoke dope in. all we had was bunkers. We didn't have safe
>places to come back too. we stayed out there and I can never remember being
>on less than 50% alert. About the only shelter we had were those little
>things called shelter halves where you would put two of them together to
>make a little place to crawl into. They didn't keep out the rain and bugs
>so we might as well not had anything. When we went into the RockPile we
>didn't even have panchos. Muddy ground and wet woolen blankets weren't very
>comfortable. I didn't recognize much in the movie except he got the color
>of the BNG right as he died. I guess a Doc would notice that. The other
>thing was the firefight at the end. You never forget those. I guess what
>I'm trying to say is different services had different ways. this was the
>last movie I saw in a theatre.
>Semper Fi
>The Doc
Pull the chocks,lets get this kite in the air.
All of us cannot be heroes; Most of us just
stand on the curb and clap. Will Rogers
Bill Clarke
them) made me nervous as hell setting them out and picking them up. I was
just a little paranoid back then and felt like Chuck was watching my every
move. Now I’m real paranoid! <G>
I remember that it was important to keep the wires twisted together so
static electricity would not jump across and blow the Claymore in your
hands.
Is the Americal the only unit that used the Mike Alpha’s? How about you
Marines?
Bill Clarke
F Troop, 17th Cav
pat...@memes.com
wrote:
If it was made or packaged after 1952, we probably didn't have it in
the Corps until after 1966. Our very best shot was our c-rat booby
traps.
You take a can of c-rats, punch a tiny hole in it, rub in a little
dirt for camoflage and toss it just off the side of a trail. Charlie
would find it, eat it and get ptomaine.
We would then find him on the way back in and it would give the Capt.
another notch at Battalion.
I don't remember the term Mike Alpha in any case.
Steven W. Smith
to ask...what on earth was "Snake and Nape"? (I think that's what the
incoming airstrike said.)
Nape = napalm?
Snake = live rattlesnakes?
Rick
Snake = 50mm cannon
close air ordnance from anything like F100s to F4s.
--
Rick, USAF (Ret)
Michael
[snip]
>Nape and snake therefore, are a mix of napalm and Snakeye glide
>retarded bombs.!
[snip]
Er ... so the grunt who I overheard say "snake" when referring to a helo
of the Cobra pursuation ... he needed a terminology adjustment?
--
Michael
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Michael wrote in message <7v3b98$q73$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>jme...@sonetcom.com wrote:
>[snip]
>>Nape and snake therefore, are a mix of napalm and Snakeye glide
>>retarded bombs.!
>[snip]
>
>Er ... so the grunt who I overheard say "snake" when referring to a helo
>of the Cobra pursuation ... he needed a terminology adjustment?
>
>--
>Michael
>---
The Cobra is what I think of when they say snake. And one of the nicest
things someone can say is “you have two snakes en route to your location”
Michael
>
> Apples and oranges.
>
> The original question(go back and look) was about an airstrike inbound with
> "nape and snake".
Yep. Been there; saw that. It was just that I couldn't believe I'd
encountered yet another "false friend" in "snake" (hi drag bomb) and
"snake" (Cobra gunship). The Air Force has recycled a few airframe
designations, which caused me no end of head scratching more than once
in the past.
By the way, while still in basic training I was "priviledged" to view
(too many) B&W training films as a time killer while waiting my turn for
an interview. Most were silent, gun camera shots of hi drags
disappearing into jungle. (yawn)
[snip]
>
> John Mercadante
> B-7/1 Air Cav, 1970-71
Steven W. Smith
and "kerbloowie"s like you hear when you see them on PBS?
My favorites are the ones where you see the strike cameras recording
from the B-52s and hear the sound effects immediately as the bomb hits.
Smith (who likes the sound effects, anyway.)