Biden Reveals Location Of Secret VP Bunker
D. Spencer Hines
A short one.
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DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
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Biden Reveals Location of Secret VP Bunker
The vice president, well-known for his verbal gaffes, confirms at a dinner
the existence and location of a secret hidden bunker that Cheney is believed
to have used after the 9/11 attacks.
By Jonathan Passantino
FOXNews.com
Sunday, May 17, 2009
Vice President Joe Biden, well-known for his verbal gaffes, may have finally
outdone himself, divulging potentially classified information meant to save
the life of a sitting vice president.
According to a report, while recently attending the Gridiron Club dinner in
Washington, an annual event where powerful politicians and media elite get a
chance to cozy up to one another, Biden told his dinnermates about the
existence of a secret bunker under the old U.S. Naval Observatory, which is
now the home of the vice president.
The bunker is believed to be the secure, undisclosed location former Vice
President Dick Cheney remained under protection in secret after the 9/11
attacks.
Eleanor Clift, Newsweek magazine's Washington contributing editor, said
Biden revealed the location while filling in for President Obama at the
dinner, who, along with Grover Cleveland, is the only president to skip the
gathering.
According to the report, Biden "said a young naval officer giving him a tour
of the residence showed him the hideaway, which is behind a massive steel
door secured by an elaborate lock with a narrow connecting hallway lined
with shelves filled with communications equipment."
Clift continued: "The officer explained that when Cheney was in lock down,
this was where his most trusted aides were stationed, an image that Biden
conveyed in a way that suggested we shouldn't be surprised that the policies
that emerged were off the wall."
In December 2002, neighbors complained of loud construction work being done
at the Naval Observatory, which has been used as a residence by vice
presidents since 1974.
The upset neighbors were sent a letter by the observatory's superintendent,
calling the work "sensitive in nature" and "classified" and that it was
urgent it be completed "on a highly accelerated schedule."
Residents said they believed workers were digging deep into the ground,
which would support Biden's report of a secret bunker, but officials never
confirmed the purpose of the work performed.
The revelation is the latest from Biden, who has a long history of political
blunders.
Most recently, he said in a televised interview that if a family member
asked him about traveling he'd advise staying away from public
transportation or confined spaces to avoid swine flu -- a remark described
as "borderline fearmongering" by an airline spokesman.
William Black
Reading the story you'd have to be pretty dense to not work out there
was a bunker under the house.
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William Black
D. Spencer Hines
the Presidency.
Loose Cannon...
On A Rolling Deck.
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"David H Singanas" <davidh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
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Just the same, Sir William, I think this reveals that it is Joe Biden
who has the drinking problem. Do you remember the uproar he caused
by accusing the truck driver (who accidentally killed his daughter) of
intoxication ? That truck driver did not even drink alcohol. The
truckdriver's daughter had to go on national network television to
redeem
her father from Senator Biden's public accusations.
What else can better explain Biden's slips over the years than an
inability to hold his tongue after a few shots of wine or liquor at
dinner parties ? Biden needs to 'fess up and enroll in a recovering
alcoholic programme.
Cheers, David H
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Jack Linthicum
> Joe Biden is totally unqualified to be VPOTUS, just a heartbeat away from
> the Presidency.
>
> Loose Cannon...
>
> On A Rolling Deck.
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> D. Spencer Hines
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> Vires et Honor
> Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
>
Would that explain you, Hines?
J Antero
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.net> wrote in message
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> Joe Biden needs to be put on a LEASH...
>
> A short one.
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> DSH
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> Vires et Honor
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> Biden Reveals Location of Secret VP Bunker
Well, at least there's always Nancy..
But, what difference does it really make? If Washington is hit with a
sizeable nuke, would that little bunker save him?
If terrorists hit his quarters with even a major conventional bomb while
he's in the bunker, will he feel anything more than a bump?
Besides if he's as ill-qualified as you claim, we'll be better off without
him.
This is like that phony controversy about his advice about not using mass
transit if you can avoid it, while the flu scare is on. Who the fuck doesn't
already know that?
David H Singanas
> "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.net> wrote in messagenews:gq5Ql.391$J6....@eagle.america.net...
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Steady now, Antero.
The Commander sees the world thru a conservative lens and he is a
useful archetype. So don't drift into personal attacks and shock
language
like "fuck." You are better than that.
Hines as archetype and mirror of the conservative camp is as useful
to us as a college classroom powerpoint chart.
As for Joe Biden's alcoholic slips of the tongue, I feel confident
that he
is a satisfactory VP because Brit William Black feels comfortable
with him a step away from state power. Black is a good faux historian
and political observer. However, black has shown no inclination to
rehabilitate Gordon Brown, and this should be of concern to us.
Cheers, David H
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Jack Linthicum
Just to clear up a point. Biden wasn't talking about the bunker, but
another, upstairs room, used as a workshop by Cheney. Eleanor Clift
likes to substitute her imagination for facts when she can't finish a
story. From smn.
On May 18, 12:24 am, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.net> wrote:
> Joe Biden needs to be put on a LEASH...
> A short one.
Eleanor Clift, as usual, can't avoid making up what she doesn't
understand. The "room" Biden was talking about was upstairs at the
Vice President's residence and had been a workspace for Cheney and his
staff. It is now a guest bedroom. Sorry, wingnuts, you jumped over the
cliff again.
Anatomy of a Myth
Here's a classic example of an inaccurate story instantly gaining
mythological status.
As Mark Silva blogs for Tribune, Washington yesterday was "abuzz with
word that Vice President Joe Biden reportedly had disclosed the
location of the undisclosed location that his predecessor, Dick
Cheney, made mysteriously famous."
Consider the Fox News headline: Biden Reveals Location of Secret VP
Bunker.
What set it all off was a blog post by Newsweek's Eleanor Clift: "Ever
wonder about that secure, undisclosed location where Dick Cheney
secreted himself after the 9/11 attacks? Joe Biden reveals the bunker-
like room is at the Naval Observatory in Washington, where Cheney
lived for eight years and which is now home to Biden. The veep related
the story to his head-table dinner mates when he filled in for
President Obama at the Gridiron Club earlier this year. He said the
young naval officer giving him a tour of the residence showed him the
hideaway, which is behind a massive steel door secured by an elaborate
lock with a narrow connecting hallway lined with shelves filled with
communications equipment. The officer explained that when Cheney was
in lock down, this was where his most trusted aides were stationed, an
image that Biden conveyed in a way that suggested we shouldn’t be
surprised that the policies that emerged were off the wall."
Roxanne Roberts and Amy Argetsinger write in The Washington Post that
Clift's "source" was the club's newsletter, in which club President
Dick Cooper of the Tribune Co. recounted what Biden had said to him at
the dinner -- fully two months ago.
But Clift apparently put two and two together and got five. The room
in question was not Cheney's secret bunker.
As Silva writes: "Elizabeth Alexander, Biden's spokeswoman, offered
this explanation this afternoon: 'What the vice president described in
his comments was not - as some press reports have suggested - an
underground facility, but rather, an upstairs workspace in the
residence, which he understood was frequently used by Vice President
Cheney and his aides.
"'That workspace was converted into an upstairs guestroom when the
Bidens moved into the residence,' Alexander said. 'There was no
disclosure of classified information.'"
But too late -- Biden's latest "gaffe" has now entered the pop-culture
bloodstream.
Via U.S. News, here was Jay Leno last night: "Well, another gaffe by
Vice President Joe Biden. God bless Joe Biden....He's been our savior
here. 'Newsweek' is reporting that at the Gridiron Dinner, Joe Biden
started talking and accidentally revealed Dick Cheney's secret hiding
place. See, there's more proof you don't need waterboarding to get
secret information. Just give Joe Biden a couple of drinks."
And David Letterman: "Here's something that I am very excited about.
Joe Biden, the current vice president, was yakking away over the
weekend. And he -- remember when Dick Cheney...was in an undisclosed
location and everybody thought where?...So supposedly top secret
information, classified information. And Joe Biden just says, 'No, I
know where he was. He was hiding under his house.'... Joe Biden is
living proof that people can give up sensitive information without
being tortured."
By Dan Froomkin | May 19, 2009; 11:50 AM ET
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/white-house-watch/anatomy-of-a-myth....
the source
Crossed Wires About VP Hide-Out
Dick Cheney and Joe Biden. (AP Photo/Virginia Mayo; AP Photo/CBS,
Karin Cooper)
Pssstt! Did you hear about Dick Cheney's fortress hideaway under the
Naval Observatory? Pass it on!
What seemed to be a bombshell national-security story of the weekend
-- how Joe Biden blabbed about a secret bunker under the VP's
residence -- began when a bit of secondhand dinner chatter hit the
Internet and moved quickly through the blogs. Alas, it pretty much
fell apart the minute we started making calls to ... you know, check
what turned out to be a game of Telephone, Washington-style:
In March, Biden attended the Gridiron dinner (an annual off-the-record
media schmoozefest) and made small talk with club President Dick
Cooper of the Tribune Co. At one point, Biden casually mentioned a
secure room in his new home, previously used by Cheney and his aides.
Per tradition, Cooper recapped the evening for the club newsletter,
which was sent out this month.
Last week, Newsweek's Eleanor Clift read Cooper's summary and posted
her juicier version on the magazine's blog: "Ever wonder about that
secure, undisclosed location where Dick Cheney secreted himself after
the 9/11 attacks?" Biden, she wrote, saw the "bunker-like room" when a
young naval officer in the residence showed him the hideaway "behind a
massive steel door secured by an elaborate lock with a narrow
connecting hallway lined with shelves filled with communications
equipment."
FoxNews.com ran with the story and chided Biden for "divulging
potentially classified information meant to save the life of a sitting
vice president" and speculated it was part of a long-rumored
underground construction project.
However: The veep's office said yesterday that he simply described an
upstairs workspace that was converted into a guestroom when the Bidens
moved in. No security gaffe -- at least that's what they're telling
us. In fact, it's long been reported that Cheney used a Cold War-era
bunker in Pennsylvania as his undisclosed location.
Cheney didn't return our calls. Cooper declined to comment, citing the
off-the record tradition of the club.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/reliable-source/2009/05/rs-bunker19....
William Black
Black is a good faux historian
> and political observer. However, black has shown no inclination to
> rehabilitate Gordon Brown, and this should be of concern to us.
First of all, it's either Mr Black or William (or even Bill), 'Black' is
reserved for the men I went to school with.
As for Gordon Brown, he's a man who lusted for a job for a decade and when
he got it he, and everyone else, found that he's no good at it...
And so the most progressive government in a generation is sinking slowly
into the mire of their own inability to manipulate the media because they've
been doing it too long and everyone is sick of them.
Labour will almost certainly lose the next election and will then dissolve
into a rather nasty period of recrimination almost certainly followed by one
of their excursions into the wilder reaches of what passes in the UK for
the extreme left wing.
On the other hand the bunch of chinless Old Etonians who populate the Tory
front bench don't exactly fill anyone with confidence.
I'm voting Liberal Democrat in the next election.
--
William Black
Jack Linthicum
a...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2009 05:10:08 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
> <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote something wonderfully witty:
>
> What is even worse is if the seond version is true, our current VP
> doesn't know a bunker from an upstairs den.
> --
>
> Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Ask Eleanor Clift, this wouldn't be the first time she eavesdropped on
another conversation and then wrote what she wanted to. I seem to have
mentioned it was originally printed in the Gridiron Club's publication.
Jack Linthicum
a...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2009 05:10:08 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
> <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote something wonderfully witty:
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> What is even worse is if the seond version is true, our current VP
> doesn't know a bunker from an upstairs den.
> --
>
> Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
I know the requirement to actually read what is posted gets you all
snarled up, but here is the meat of the Myth. Elanor Clift never heard
Biden say anything, she heard someone else repeat what was in a
magazine article.
White House Watch
Billzz
"The Wolf With the Red Roses" <after-d...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 May 2009 05:10:08 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
>
> What is even worse is if the seond version is true, our current VP
> doesn't know a bunker from an upstairs den.
I think that some people have a "need to know" about where people go, under
alert conditions, and others do not, so they don't know. I don't know, but
I never took the story seriously because I have never heard of building a
bunker *underneath* the target.
La N
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Even *I* caught on to that ... and didn't take the story seriously ... ;p.
- nilita
Jack Linthicum
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> > "The Wolf With the Red Roses" <after-dark-a...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> >> On Wed, 20 May 2009 05:10:08 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
The problem is Cheney is nuttier than a pecan grove and the neighbors
did complain of the construction noise. Biden can be weird but Eleanor
Clift is able to invent things that she thinks she hears. I would
offer that man-sized locking cabinet Cheney had in the house as
evidence. Wonder what happened to it and if those CIA memos are in it?
William Boyd
D. Spencer Hines
The bunker need not be DIRECTLY UNDER the structure.
The White House has an extensive, secure, underground bunker.
The VPOTUS has similar arrangements.
So does CONGRESS...
All this is perfectly proper in order to ensure CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT.
No "PARANOIA" by Former VPOTUS Dick Cheney has been demonstrated -- just
Sound Thinking in a POST 9/11 WORLD.
'Nuff Said.
--
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
> "Billzz" <billzz...@starband.net> wrote in message
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>> I think that some people have a "need to know" about where people go,
Stanley Moore
> Nonsense...
>
> The bunker need not be DIRECTLY UNDER the structure.
>
> The White House has an extensive, secure, underground bunker.
>
> The VPOTUS has similar arrangements.
>
> So does CONGRESS...
>
> All this is perfectly proper in order to ensure CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT.
>
> No "PARANOIA" by Former VPOTUS Dick Cheney has been demonstrated -- just
> Sound Thinking in a POST 9/11 WORLD.
>
> 'Nuff Said.
> --
> D. Spencer Hines
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> Vires et Honor
> Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
Hitler's bunker was in the Reichs Chancellry garden not below the structure.
I believe there is an extensive underground facility in the mountains of
Virginia set up in the 50s and 60s in the event of nuclear war with the
Soviets for this very purpose. There was a show on Discovery or History
about it a couple years ago IIRC. Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad
Jack Linthicum
> "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.net> wrote in messagenews:%mWRl.460$J6....@eagle.america.net...
Mount Weather is in Maryland
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/mt_weather.htm
Greenbrier is in Virginia
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/july/25/brier1.htm
There is one in Pennsylvania too
Stanley Moore
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http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/mt_weather.htm
Greenbrier is in Virginia
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/july/25/brier1.htm
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/raven_rock.htm
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It's good they have a sewage treatment plant. Hitler's bunker was said to be
stifling and very smelly due to inadequate ventilation and poor drainage of
the water closets. Also it wasn't very spacious.
I always figured when they talked about undisclosed locations for Cheney
they meant one of these places you mention that were already built. Why
bother with a new one under the Observatory? None are far from Washington by
copter. Take care
Jack Linthicum
> "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
The word around Washington is that 911 scared the whee out of Cheney
and the subsequent "anthrax" letters finished the job.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5368813
He lived in mortal fear of being the target for any terrorist plot.
After the Abu Graihb
revelations he got shunted off to one side. No one wanted to be
involved in any of his torture schemes and he lost credibility with
Bush. His present campaign to legitimize torture dates back to that
2004 break, something he will not admit. You will notice no one else
comes out to speak for him, except his daughter, in any meaningful
way. He is Philip Nolan.
D. Spencer Hines
lethal biological agents or a dirty bomb?
Billie Holiday was right...
God Bless The Child That's Got His Own...
Bunker...
Close To Home.
Both the POTUS and VPOTUS need "THEIR OWN"...for...
CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT.
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DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"Stanley Moore" <smoo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Stanley Moore
> How do you safely "copter" through an area that has been contaminated by
> lethal biological agents or a dirty bomb?
>
> Billie Holiday was right...
>
> God Bless The Child That's Got His Own...
>
> Bunker...
>
> Close To Home.
>
> Both the POTUS and VPOTUS need "THEIR OWN"...for...
>
> CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT.
> --
> DSH
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> Vires et Honor
>
In Independence Day the WH staff managed to get the Pres to safety under a
more powerful attack than any mere terrorist would be capable of <G>. Take
frank
> How do you safely "copter" through an area that has been contaminated by
> lethal biological agents or a dirty bomb?
>
> Billie Holiday was right...
>
> God Bless The Child That's Got His Own...
>
> Bunker...
>
> Close To Home.
>
> Both the POTUS and VPOTUS need "THEIR OWN"...for...
>
> CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT.
> --
> DSH
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> Vires et Honor
>
>
> news:gcadnX8Gg5Ai3IXX...@giganews.com...
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> > "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Is it just me, or should we just send Congress on a 'three hour tour'?
Both House and Senate, whole lot of them.
Replacements would not be political hacks.
Bryn Fraser
> Joe Biden needs to be put on a LEASH...
>
> A short one.
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> DSH
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> Vires et Honor
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> Biden Reveals Location of Secret VP Bunker
>
Is that something to do with golf?
Bryn 8=]
William Black
> I think most bunkers are underneath or close to the building against
> which they think the attack will come. The protection detail will
> want to get their Principal in a secure place quickly. The quickest
> way, without exposing yourself to fire, is down.
1. If you're protecting the Vice President of the United States by running
for the bunker and expecting incoming small arms fire you're about to get
the sack.
2. Don't you just love people who call senior politicians 'the Principle'.
--
William Black