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︰ones
Jun 15, 2013, 11:32:02 AM6/15/13
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I'm a little bit more charitable to Snowden than I was to Manning for
several reasons.
First of all, that our government is collecting data on everyone and
everything it can is a pretty well established fact and already was so
long before Snowden published it. The other sides of our little wars
knew (or should have figured out) this all along; therefore, Snowden
didn't reveal any new information.
I tend to support the government's intelligence gathering operations.
It really shouldn't have come as any great shock to US citizens that
they were being monitored... remember "Carnivore"? (What a terrible
name for a program, huh? I'd have called it "Bambi" or something like
that.) The bottom line is that we *know* big brother is always
watching; where I have a problem is when they try to convince us that
they're not. If they were just up front and said: "Anything you say
or write can be recorded," then, at least, we have transparency.
Heck, email is always sent in clear text; therefore, you have no
expectation of privacy.
Jones
several reasons.
First of all, that our government is collecting data on everyone and
everything it can is a pretty well established fact and already was so
long before Snowden published it. The other sides of our little wars
knew (or should have figured out) this all along; therefore, Snowden
didn't reveal any new information.
I tend to support the government's intelligence gathering operations.
It really shouldn't have come as any great shock to US citizens that
they were being monitored... remember "Carnivore"? (What a terrible
name for a program, huh? I'd have called it "Bambi" or something like
that.) The bottom line is that we *know* big brother is always
watching; where I have a problem is when they try to convince us that
they're not. If they were just up front and said: "Anything you say
or write can be recorded," then, at least, we have transparency.
Heck, email is always sent in clear text; therefore, you have no
expectation of privacy.
Jones
Ben
Jun 15, 2013, 12:13:18 PM6/15/13
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several major terrorist attacks to happen without interfering. When
thousands of Americans died like in 9/11, then the government can
propose a bigger and more extreme Patriot Act which allows US
government to have more power to control its population. Once
Americans have great fear of the invisible enemy, they will allow
government to have more power! And vigilantes may take up arms to
assassinate enemy. During the Vietnam war, North Vietnamese civilians
armed with sticks and knifes swarmed to beat up and even kill many
downed American pilots without any punishment from North Vietnamese
government. In 1965, John McCain was beaten severely by the mob until
NVA officials rescued him and sent him to Hoa Lo. So far no one In
North Vietnam was ever charged for beaten up the enemy!
Stumpy REMF
Jun 15, 2013, 12:51:55 PM6/15/13
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Stumpy REMF
Jun 15, 2013, 12:52:53 PM6/15/13
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On 6/15/2013 11:13 AM, Ben wrote:
and you know THAT how? <G>
Ben
Jun 15, 2013, 7:20:45 PM6/15/13
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On Jun 15, 11:51 am, Stumpy REMF <awrlibr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
There is a price for the the ban of telephone tracking: there will be
terrors that the government do not know in advance to stop them like
the 9/11 attack.
terrors that the government do not know in advance to stop them like
the 9/11 attack.
︰ones
Jun 15, 2013, 7:48:35 PM6/15/13
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 09:13:18 -0700 (PDT), in alt.war.vietnam Ben
<pb5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>What Obama should do is to shut down NSA eve dropping program and let
>several major terrorist attacks to happen without interfering. When
>thousands of Americans died like in 9/11, then the government can
>propose a bigger and more extreme Patriot Act which allows US
>government to have more power to control its population. Once
>Americans have great fear of the invisible enemy, they will allow
>government to have more power! And vigilantes may take up arms to
>assassinate enemy. During the Vietnam war, North Vietnamese civilians
>armed with sticks and knifes swarmed to beat up and even kill many
>downed American pilots without any punishment from North Vietnamese
>government. In 1965, John McCain was beaten severely by the mob until
>NVA officials rescued him and sent him to Hoa Lo. So far no one In
>North Vietnam was ever charged for beaten up the enemy!
Good idea... let's do something stupid, why not?
<pb5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>What Obama should do is to shut down NSA eve dropping program and let
>several major terrorist attacks to happen without interfering. When
>thousands of Americans died like in 9/11, then the government can
>propose a bigger and more extreme Patriot Act which allows US
>government to have more power to control its population. Once
>Americans have great fear of the invisible enemy, they will allow
>government to have more power! And vigilantes may take up arms to
>assassinate enemy. During the Vietnam war, North Vietnamese civilians
>armed with sticks and knifes swarmed to beat up and even kill many
>downed American pilots without any punishment from North Vietnamese
>government. In 1965, John McCain was beaten severely by the mob until
>NVA officials rescued him and sent him to Hoa Lo. So far no one In
>North Vietnam was ever charged for beaten up the enemy!
Once upon a time... 40 or so years ago, I had a house mate who was a
fag. Now, this was well before being queer was as fasionable as it is
today; however, he was the only one in the house who had an issue with
his sexual orientation.
The problem was that the guy would walk in at breakfast and announce
that he had stomped a couple of queers the previous evening. I found
this behavior deeply disturbing.
As I said... keep the program. I also support speed cameras... just
tell people about them up front.
Jones
︰ones
Jun 15, 2013, 7:50:37 PM6/15/13
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:51:55 -0500, in alt.war.vietnam Stumpy REMF
<awrli...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>how was your hiatus
I'm just stickin' me head in the door to yell:
"BOO!!! JANE FONDA!!!"
... and then run.
Jones
<awrli...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>how was your hiatus
I'm just stickin' me head in the door to yell:
"BOO!!! JANE FONDA!!!"
... and then run.
Jones
︰ones
Jun 15, 2013, 7:56:32 PM6/15/13
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:20:45 -0700 (PDT), in alt.war.vietnam Ben
<pb5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>There is a price for the the ban of telephone tracking: there will be
>terrors that the government do not know in advance to stop them like
>the 9/11 attack.
I'm in favor of surveillance. I'd go further than that: I think that
<pb5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>There is a price for the the ban of telephone tracking: there will be
>terrors that the government do not know in advance to stop them like
>the 9/11 attack.
all vehicles should be equipped with a transponder that reads the
operator's driver's license and PIN. Just tell us about it if you're
going to do it.
Jones
DGVREIMAN
Jun 15, 2013, 9:37:41 PM6/15/13
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"ĄJones" <jdf...@x.com> wrote in message
news:0a1pr85nul6ni0isf...@4ax.com...
If you ever held a top secret clearance you would know the NSA has
been doing this for decades. However, it is a good diversion from the
real outrage which was "someone" instructing the IRS to go after the
political opponents of President Obama. The last time that happened
the President was forced out of office. But this time no one seems to
know anything about anything? They *claim* they are running the
country, but when any questions about what is going on in their
administration are posed to them they instantly turn into Sergeant
Shultz.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Doug Grant (Tm)
red...@lava.net
Jun 15, 2013, 10:31:24 PM6/15/13
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red...@lava.net
Jun 15, 2013, 10:37:48 PM6/15/13
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army was a boastful homophobic and later you found 'on his knees in
the shower room', or someone else? Because I'm detecting a pattern
here. - redvet
︰ones
Jun 15, 2013, 11:30:46 PM6/15/13
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:37:48 -1000, in alt.war.vietnam red...@lava.net
wrote:
>redvet: Would this be the same person you spoke of, who while in the
>army was a boastful homophobic and later you found 'on his knees in
>the shower room', or someone else? Because I'm detecting a pattern
>here. - redvet
Well, there is certainly a pattern: well adjusted people don't go out
queer stomping. I have never beaten up a homosexual in my life...
most people haven't. If you want to know who is assaulting people who
are homosexual, you'll find them to be other homosexuals.
Jones
wrote:
>redvet: Would this be the same person you spoke of, who while in the
>army was a boastful homophobic and later you found 'on his knees in
>the shower room', or someone else? Because I'm detecting a pattern
>here. - redvet
queer stomping. I have never beaten up a homosexual in my life...
most people haven't. If you want to know who is assaulting people who
are homosexual, you'll find them to be other homosexuals.
Jones
︰ones
Jun 15, 2013, 11:32:24 PM6/15/13
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:37:41 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam "DGVREIMAN"
<dgvr...@comcast.net> wrote:
>If you ever held a top secret clearance you would know the NSA has
>been doing this for decades. However, it is a good diversion from the
>real outrage which was "someone" instructing the IRS to go after the
>political opponents of President Obama. The last time that happened
>the President was forced out of office. But this time no one seems to
>know anything about anything? They *claim* they are running the
>country, but when any questions about what is going on in their
>administration are posed to them they instantly turn into Sergeant
>Shultz.
Yup... the ownership of the ox has a great deal to do with one's
<dgvr...@comcast.net> wrote:
>If you ever held a top secret clearance you would know the NSA has
>been doing this for decades. However, it is a good diversion from the
>real outrage which was "someone" instructing the IRS to go after the
>political opponents of President Obama. The last time that happened
>the President was forced out of office. But this time no one seems to
>know anything about anything? They *claim* they are running the
>country, but when any questions about what is going on in their
>administration are posed to them they instantly turn into Sergeant
>Shultz.
perception of the severity of the crime of goring it, not?
Jones
︰ones
Jun 15, 2013, 11:33:40 PM6/15/13
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:31:24 -1000, in alt.war.vietnam red...@lava.net
wrote:
>& welcome back...again - redvet
Thank you... just dropin' in for a sec, though. Has Nigel been
around?
Jones
wrote:
>& welcome back...again - redvet
around?
Jones
red...@lava.net
Jun 16, 2013, 8:41:19 PM6/16/13
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went 'queer hunting' and was busted on his knees in the shower room.
Now you posed a similar story of a 'housemate' . My question was, were
they the same person? If not, well that raises a host of questions. If
they were the same, it raises more.
You are well known for 'making stuff up' - the selling of the Alamo ,
not returning to this news group, being a self proclaimed 'King of
the Trolls,' et al - so that would too would be a valid response.
"Well, there is certainly a pattern: well adjusted people don't go out
>queer stomping. I have never beaten up a homosexual in my life...
>most people haven't. If you want to know who is assaulting people who
>are homosexual, you'll find them to be other homosexuals."
person...?
redvet
red...@lava.net
Jun 16, 2013, 8:42:49 PM6/16/13
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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Jun 17, 2013, 6:08:04 AM6/17/13
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red...@lava.net wrote:
he he he...I notice Mr Jones infers he is well adjusted yet he
frequently, bordering on obsession, writes about "fags", "queers",
and anal sex.
;-)
frequently, bordering on obsession, writes about "fags", "queers",
and anal sex.
;-)
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Jun 17, 2013, 6:33:51 AM6/17/13
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Colin Powell's coverup of the My Lai massacre...I repeatedly
showed him (Brooks) to be a big fat liar. I assumed that
contributed to his decision to disappear...but death or stroke
is a different story.
Regardless, I wish the lying little prick well.
;-)
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Jun 17, 2013, 7:27:28 AM6/17/13
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ĄJones wrote:
> I'm a little bit
Welcome back, son. We await your next Farewell Post.
> I'm a little bit
;-)
Jack Pine Savage
Jun 17, 2013, 8:29:53 AM6/17/13
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"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." wrote in message
news:pt2dnRaqUolyQiPM...@supernews.com...
He sure got your attention though, didn't he?
red...@lava.net
Jun 17, 2013, 8:11:18 PM6/17/13
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and and find nothing inappropriate with that pejorative. One of the
casualties of the culture war I guess. - redvet
�Jones
Jun 17, 2013, 10:25:23 PM6/17/13
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:41:19 -1000, in alt.war.vietnam red...@lava.net
wrote:
>Mr Jones, that was not my question. You wrote of a fellow soldier who
>went 'queer hunting' and was busted on his knees in the shower room.
>
>Now you posed a similar story of a 'housemate' . My question was, were
>they the same person? If not, well that raises a host of questions. If
>they were the same, it raises more.
>
>You are well known for 'making stuff up' - the selling of the Alamo ,
>not returning to this news group, being a self proclaimed 'King of
>the Trolls,' et al - so that would too would be a valid response.
>
every case wherein I have had knowledge, the most rabid queer-stompers
have always turned out to be closeted queers. This fact is well
established above and beyond my anecdotal recollections. Your
question went to how many queer-stomping homosexuals have I known in
my sixty-something years... I'd have to stop and count... I'd guess
four... three for certain and it could be as many as five; why do you
ask?
Now, I have answered your question; it's your turn: how many queers
have you, personally, stomped?
BTW, Red, a good story-teller almost never makes up a story; they all
come from events in his or her past. If the teller is any good,
they're woven into a coherent thread... but *never* made up!
Well... almost never, anyway.
Jones
wrote:
>Mr Jones, that was not my question. You wrote of a fellow soldier who
>went 'queer hunting' and was busted on his knees in the shower room.
>
>Now you posed a similar story of a 'housemate' . My question was, were
>they the same person? If not, well that raises a host of questions. If
>they were the same, it raises more.
>
>You are well known for 'making stuff up' - the selling of the Alamo ,
>not returning to this news group, being a self proclaimed 'King of
>the Trolls,' et al - so that would too would be a valid response.
>
>This was not the answer to a simple question...is it the same
>person...?
That was exactly your question, Mr. RedVet. My position is that, in
>person...?
every case wherein I have had knowledge, the most rabid queer-stompers
have always turned out to be closeted queers. This fact is well
established above and beyond my anecdotal recollections. Your
question went to how many queer-stomping homosexuals have I known in
my sixty-something years... I'd have to stop and count... I'd guess
four... three for certain and it could be as many as five; why do you
ask?
Now, I have answered your question; it's your turn: how many queers
have you, personally, stomped?
BTW, Red, a good story-teller almost never makes up a story; they all
come from events in his or her past. If the teller is any good,
they're woven into a coherent thread... but *never* made up!
Well... almost never, anyway.
Jones
�Jones
Jun 17, 2013, 10:26:46 PM6/17/13
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On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:27:28 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam "Dr. Vincent
Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote:
OK, you got it.
Looks like you and Red are the last left standing.
Hasta!
Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote:
Looks like you and Red are the last left standing.
Hasta!
Stumpy REMF
Jun 18, 2013, 8:46:41 AM6/18/13
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red...@lava.net
Jun 18, 2013, 9:46:59 PM6/18/13
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On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:46:41 -0500, Stumpy REMF
<awrli...@hotmail.com> wrote:
No Stumpy, that would be Fat Albert, 'Bad Knees Bob' (or some
such).What I can't get over is that he's a lying homophobe and needs
to be called on it along with those who support that sort of bullying
bigotry.
You think that's one of the reasons he has trouble finding work that
has a healthcare plan? - redvet
<awrli...@hotmail.com> wrote:
such).What I can't get over is that he's a lying homophobe and needs
to be called on it along with those who support that sort of bullying
bigotry.
You think that's one of the reasons he has trouble finding work that
has a healthcare plan? - redvet
Stumpy REMF
Jun 19, 2013, 6:42:46 AM6/19/13
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On 6/18/2013 8:46 PM, red...@lava.net wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:46:41 -0500, Stumpy REMF
> <awrli...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:46:41 -0500, Stumpy REMF
> <awrli...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
some gypsy cab drivers make good unreported income....the ones that
don't get knocked in the head.
︰ones
Jun 20, 2013, 10:01:38 PM6/20/13
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On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:46:59 -1000, in alt.war.vietnam red...@lava.net
wrote:
>No Stumpy, that would be Fat Albert, 'Bad Knees Bob' (or some
>such).What I can't get over is that he's a lying homophobe and needs
>to be called on it along with those who support that sort of bullying
>bigotry.
Mr. Redvet, I lack a clue as to what you speak; I think you have
mistaken me for some other poster. I tend to centrist politics,
neither stomping homosexuals nor marching in support of "gay rights".
The simple fact is that Usenet is a deeply polarized environment;
thus, I appear far right to you only because almost *any* reasonable
position would be to your right. If you will look at my positions,
though, you will find quite a few to have a leftward tilt.
A person makes a choice to be a homosexual or not. It's no different
than my choice to take narcotics; I made that choice and I'll have to
live the rest of my life wanting a fix. I do not believe that I have
the right to expect the rest of society to agree with the (admittedly
poor) choice I made as an eighteen-year-old or to subsidize it today.
You see, I believe in personal responsibility, Mr. Redvet... which is
an odd thing to hear a Democrat say. The fact that I do not fall into
lock-step with you does not make me a liar at all... actually, I'm
pretty careful with that term. I save that one for only the most
egregiously dishonest people. We have disagreed frequently across the
years; have I ever called you a liar?
> You think that's one of the reasons he has trouble finding work that
>has a healthcare plan? - redvet
You must be speaking of someone else.
Jones
wrote:
>No Stumpy, that would be Fat Albert, 'Bad Knees Bob' (or some
>such).What I can't get over is that he's a lying homophobe and needs
>to be called on it along with those who support that sort of bullying
>bigotry.
mistaken me for some other poster. I tend to centrist politics,
neither stomping homosexuals nor marching in support of "gay rights".
The simple fact is that Usenet is a deeply polarized environment;
thus, I appear far right to you only because almost *any* reasonable
position would be to your right. If you will look at my positions,
though, you will find quite a few to have a leftward tilt.
A person makes a choice to be a homosexual or not. It's no different
than my choice to take narcotics; I made that choice and I'll have to
live the rest of my life wanting a fix. I do not believe that I have
the right to expect the rest of society to agree with the (admittedly
poor) choice I made as an eighteen-year-old or to subsidize it today.
You see, I believe in personal responsibility, Mr. Redvet... which is
an odd thing to hear a Democrat say. The fact that I do not fall into
lock-step with you does not make me a liar at all... actually, I'm
pretty careful with that term. I save that one for only the most
egregiously dishonest people. We have disagreed frequently across the
years; have I ever called you a liar?
> You think that's one of the reasons he has trouble finding work that
>has a healthcare plan? - redvet
Jones
Stumpy REMF
Jun 21, 2013, 9:12:22 AM6/21/13
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�Jones
Jun 23, 2013, 7:41:30 PM6/23/13
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 08:12:22 -0500, in alt.war.vietnam Stumpy REMF
<awrli...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I think misunderstands 'tenure'
The idea behind it is that society should have someone who can point
out the fact that the emperor is naked and have no fear of losing his
or her job. Traditionally, at least, in the United States, tenure has
protected far more of the left-wing ideas than it has right...
probably due to the fact that professors are, as a group, about as far
left as you can get.
If I say that I support Snowden, then Pinkie will, no doubt, applaud;
however, many people would not. With respect to complaining to
regents, I am invulnerable by law. It's a double-edged sword, though
in that tenure also protects ideas with which the left vehemently
disagrees. As the left side of the political spectrum has gained
clout in the government, they have moved just as quickly as the right
to silence anyone who did not fall lock-step into line with them and
have run face-first into tenure laws.
The down side of tenure is that it's almost impossible to dismiss a
tenured professor for poor performance. They simply shriek that
they're being silenced for their political views and it gets very
expensive for the institution to move them out, thus, they generally
hang around "teaching" on-line classes until they retire.
Jones
<awrli...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I think misunderstands 'tenure'
The idea behind it is that society should have someone who can point
out the fact that the emperor is naked and have no fear of losing his
or her job. Traditionally, at least, in the United States, tenure has
protected far more of the left-wing ideas than it has right...
probably due to the fact that professors are, as a group, about as far
left as you can get.
If I say that I support Snowden, then Pinkie will, no doubt, applaud;
however, many people would not. With respect to complaining to
regents, I am invulnerable by law. It's a double-edged sword, though
in that tenure also protects ideas with which the left vehemently
disagrees. As the left side of the political spectrum has gained
clout in the government, they have moved just as quickly as the right
to silence anyone who did not fall lock-step into line with them and
have run face-first into tenure laws.
The down side of tenure is that it's almost impossible to dismiss a
tenured professor for poor performance. They simply shriek that
they're being silenced for their political views and it gets very
expensive for the institution to move them out, thus, they generally
hang around "teaching" on-line classes until they retire.
Jones
DGVREIMAN
Jun 25, 2013, 8:14:41 PM6/25/13
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Doug Says: Tenure versus misconduct = green room. Where the
Professor or Teacher still gets paid, shows up, but does nothing until
he retires. How many green room Prof's exist? That would be a good
angle for a Documentry or class assignment Mr. Jones.
In regards to Snowden - what he did was violate his oath of office, a
criminal offense. The *product* of his crime is not germane to the
issue. If a bank robber robbed a bank and then threw the money off of
the Verizano bridge to the homeless, would he be less of a bank robber
than a robber that flew to Rio with the money? A Rose by any other
name Mr. Jones.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Professor or Teacher still gets paid, shows up, but does nothing until
he retires. How many green room Prof's exist? That would be a good
angle for a Documentry or class assignment Mr. Jones.
In regards to Snowden - what he did was violate his oath of office, a
criminal offense. The *product* of his crime is not germane to the
issue. If a bank robber robbed a bank and then threw the money off of
the Verizano bridge to the homeless, would he be less of a bank robber
than a robber that flew to Rio with the money? A Rose by any other
name Mr. Jones.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Stumpy REMF
Jun 25, 2013, 9:37:27 PM6/25/13
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︰ones
Jun 26, 2013, 8:56:04 AM6/26/13
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On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:14:41 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam "DGVREIMAN"
<dgvr...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Doug Says: Tenure versus misconduct = green room. Where the
>Professor or Teacher still gets paid, shows up, but does nothing until
>he retires. How many green room Prof's exist? That would be a good
>angle for a Documentry or class assignment Mr. Jones.
>In regards to Snowden - what he did was violate his oath of office, a
>criminal offense. The *product* of his crime is not germane to the
>issue. If a bank robber robbed a bank and then threw the money off of
>the Verizano bridge to the homeless, would he be less of a bank robber
>than a robber that flew to Rio with the money? A Rose by any other
>name Mr. Jones.
If the institution can document actual misconduct, then he or she is
<dgvr...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Doug Says: Tenure versus misconduct = green room. Where the
>Professor or Teacher still gets paid, shows up, but does nothing until
>he retires. How many green room Prof's exist? That would be a good
>angle for a Documentry or class assignment Mr. Jones.
>In regards to Snowden - what he did was violate his oath of office, a
>criminal offense. The *product* of his crime is not germane to the
>issue. If a bank robber robbed a bank and then threw the money off of
>the Verizano bridge to the homeless, would he be less of a bank robber
>than a robber that flew to Rio with the money? A Rose by any other
>name Mr. Jones.
gone. People with tenure can also be RIFed, but that has to work by
seniority. The issue isn't limited to academia... try getting rid of
an entrenched government inspector someplace.
***
I will agree that Snowden did, in fact, violate the oath he took. The
robber who "robs from the rich to feed the poor" *will* garner greater
public support. I tend to accept that Mr. Snowden may have pointed
out a real issue of which the American people should be informed. We
really should have known it all along; we chose to go to war and that
goes with the turf. I don't think Snowden's revalations really gave
the other side anything they didn't already know.
Unlike Manning, Snowden had a plan of egress. He's essentially out of
reach and, most likely, will stay thus. The best thing the US can do
is to quit shrieking about it... everyone knew all along that we were
"intercepting" email. Heck, it's clear text, so it's a trivially
simple task to record it; the only challenge lies in sorting through
the sheer volume of billions of email, text messages, and, certainly,
Usenet postings. (Hi there, spooks!)
Jones
Stumpy REMF
Jun 26, 2013, 2:26:22 PM6/26/13
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world twisting in their shorts. Big Brother knows who posted what and
when they did it. they won't buy the typists excuse or the hacked
google shit...and they sure as well won't buy the "they took it out of
my waste basket" story either. about my postings in the philatelist
group....I didn't know what it meant. seriously....I was looking for
something else...purple heart cards maybe. right now I'm recovering
from an OD of jalepenos in my salad. it sure didn't taste like plain
ol lettuce for sure. damn, I don't know how them fuckers eat the thai
peppers and the habeneros. sheeeeit!
THE COLONEL
Jun 26, 2013, 3:23:40 PM6/26/13
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LOL
DGVREIMAN
Jun 27, 2013, 4:36:04 PM6/27/13
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Hear Hear
Doug Grant (Tm)
>
Doug Grant (Tm)
>
︰ones
Jul 3, 2013, 6:04:01 PM7/3/13
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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:26:22 -0500, in alt.war.vietnam Stumpy REMF
<awrli...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>the interception of email and usenet postings have the duh-g's of the
>world twisting in their shorts. Big Brother knows who posted what and
>when they did it. they won't buy the typists excuse or the hacked
>google shit...and they sure as well won't buy the "they took it out of
>my waste basket" story either. about my postings in the philatelist
>group....I didn't know what it meant. seriously....I was looking for
>something else...purple heart cards maybe. right now I'm recovering
>from an OD of jalepenos in my salad. it sure didn't taste like plain
>ol lettuce for sure. damn, I don't know how them fuckers eat the thai
>peppers and the habeneros. sheeeeit!
I'm pretty certain big brother (BB) does monitor Internet traffic;
<awrli...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>the interception of email and usenet postings have the duh-g's of the
>world twisting in their shorts. Big Brother knows who posted what and
>when they did it. they won't buy the typists excuse or the hacked
>google shit...and they sure as well won't buy the "they took it out of
>my waste basket" story either. about my postings in the philatelist
>group....I didn't know what it meant. seriously....I was looking for
>something else...purple heart cards maybe. right now I'm recovering
>from an OD of jalepenos in my salad. it sure didn't taste like plain
>ol lettuce for sure. damn, I don't know how them fuckers eat the thai
>peppers and the habeneros. sheeeeit!
what's new or even unreasonable about that? Bet your ass that the
other guys (OG) are doing the same damn thing. In fact, if BB were
*not* listening, I'd wonder why not. BB and OG are only doing exactly
what *you* are doing, only on a larger scale.
I ain't fond of jalapeños in any significant quantity. They're like
anchovies, IMO... a little bit goes a long way. I like 'em in an
otherwise bland dish; they're OK on a bed of rice and/or beans. The
secret lies in moderation. Heck, I've been known to like Jack Daniels
black label, too... heavy on the moderation thingy, I say!
ChugaLug, chugaLug... makes me wanna holler "HIDEEE-HO!!!
***
"My name is Steven..."
Chorus: "Hello, Steven!"
Jones
︰ones
Jul 3, 2013, 6:18:09 PM7/3/13
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 09:13:18 -0700 (PDT), in alt.war.vietnam Ben
<pb5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>What Obama should do is to shut down NSA eve dropping program and let
>several major terrorist attacks to happen without interfering. When
>thousands of Americans died like in 9/11, then the government can
>propose a bigger and more extreme Patriot Act which allows US
>government to have more power to control its population. Once
>Americans have great fear of the invisible enemy, they will allow
>government to have more power! And vigilantes may take up arms to
>assassinate enemy. During the Vietnam war, North Vietnamese civilians
>armed with sticks and knifes swarmed to beat up and even kill many
>downed American pilots without any punishment from North Vietnamese
>government. In 1965, John McCain was beaten severely by the mob until
>NVA officials rescued him and sent him to Hoa Lo. So far no one In
>North Vietnam was ever charged for beaten up the enemy!
I don't think that he "shut down" shit. Snowden did two things:
First, he brought the matter into the public's awareness... this is
good.
Second: he gave the other guys (OG) specific information about our
eves dropping capabilities... this is bad.
Well, it's not good; however, the gummint has a nearly total ability
to read your email/text messages/Usenet postings. If you didn't know
that, then you should. The question is: Given the huge volume of data
derived, how does one resolve a specific target? I doubt that Snowden
had any information about that.
If I'm allowed to sit on Google's server, I can easily give you
terabytes of data... that's the easy part. How do you mine those data
for the particular bit of valuable, actionable information? It's like
one gold nugget in 5,000 tons of worthless rocks or sea water... we've
known the gold was there all along; we just don't know how to tease it
out.
Jones
<pb5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>What Obama should do is to shut down NSA eve dropping program and let
>several major terrorist attacks to happen without interfering. When
>thousands of Americans died like in 9/11, then the government can
>propose a bigger and more extreme Patriot Act which allows US
>government to have more power to control its population. Once
>Americans have great fear of the invisible enemy, they will allow
>government to have more power! And vigilantes may take up arms to
>assassinate enemy. During the Vietnam war, North Vietnamese civilians
>armed with sticks and knifes swarmed to beat up and even kill many
>downed American pilots without any punishment from North Vietnamese
>government. In 1965, John McCain was beaten severely by the mob until
>NVA officials rescued him and sent him to Hoa Lo. So far no one In
>North Vietnam was ever charged for beaten up the enemy!
I don't think that he "shut down" shit. Snowden did two things:
First, he brought the matter into the public's awareness... this is
good.
Second: he gave the other guys (OG) specific information about our
eves dropping capabilities... this is bad.
Well, it's not good; however, the gummint has a nearly total ability
to read your email/text messages/Usenet postings. If you didn't know
that, then you should. The question is: Given the huge volume of data
derived, how does one resolve a specific target? I doubt that Snowden
had any information about that.
If I'm allowed to sit on Google's server, I can easily give you
terabytes of data... that's the easy part. How do you mine those data
for the particular bit of valuable, actionable information? It's like
one gold nugget in 5,000 tons of worthless rocks or sea water... we've
known the gold was there all along; we just don't know how to tease it
out.
Jones
DGVREIMAN
Jul 3, 2013, 8:09:24 PM7/3/13
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of typos and errors con men have collected for the exclusive purpose
of smearing veterans. Only con men and serial fraud merchants are
interested in forging documents to try and make them say something
different than what they were meant to say and not the NSA.
See above for a classic example. Who cares what proved con men,
regardless of the name they use this week, thinks?
Doug Grant (Tm)
DGVREIMAN
Jul 3, 2013, 8:21:03 PM7/3/13
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Government, and he knew doing so was a crime. If he *really* wanted
to be whistle blower he could have approached an IG section and
processed his information through the normal whistle blower
protection progam. Instead he went to China, gave them all of our
secrets, and then he went to Russia, and gave them our secrets as
well.
It is obvious Snowden is an enemy of the USA, and he is working with
or on behalf of nations that have been hostile to the USA in the past.
IF the NSA is doing anything wrong the Inspector General Division
would have stopped them, and Snowden would have been a hero. But
instead he funneled top secret information to nations hostile to the
interests of the USA.
I believe Snowden, once all the Owl Shit has been boiled off, is a spy
that was about to be outed so he used the "I am revealing Top Secret
information to protect Americans" ploy. I believe he should be
arrested and tried for espionage.
Very strange this guy took off for China and Russia. No real whistle
blower that had America's best interest at heart would do such a
thing. If Snowden is canonized for his treachery, then every spy in
the future will attempt the same ploy.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Stumpy REMF
Jul 3, 2013, 9:26:38 PM7/3/13
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On 7/3/2013 7:21 PM, DGVREIMAN wrote:
>
> "︰ones" <fgt...@erta.com> wrote in message
methinks you're exposing the fact you know squat about MI
>
> "︰ones" <fgt...@erta.com> wrote in message
Stumpy REMF
Jul 3, 2013, 9:30:48 PM7/3/13
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that NSA gives a rat's patootie...it's the fact it's there and no matter
how you twist and turn it's still there for the world to see.
︰ones
Jul 4, 2013, 8:51:56 AM7/4/13
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On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:09:24 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam "DGVREIMAN"
<dgvr...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Doug Says: I seriously doubt if the NSA is interested in a collection
>of typos and errors con men have collected for the exclusive purpose
>of smearing veterans. Only con men and serial fraud merchants are
>interested in forging documents to try and make them say something
>different than what they were meant to say and not the NSA.
>
>See above for a classic example. Who cares what proved con men,
>regardless of the name they use this week, thinks?
>
>Doug Grant (Tm)
Gasp! It's a dreaded agent of the Veteran's Adminiartation Public
<dgvr...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Doug Says: I seriously doubt if the NSA is interested in a collection
>of typos and errors con men have collected for the exclusive purpose
>of smearing veterans. Only con men and serial fraud merchants are
>interested in forging documents to try and make them say something
>different than what they were meant to say and not the NSA.
>
>See above for a classic example. Who cares what proved con men,
>regardless of the name they use this week, thinks?
>
>Doug Grant (Tm)
Relations (VAPoR) ... I *knew* the bastards were still around, only
biding their time until the most opportune instant to strike!
Jones
︰ones
Jul 4, 2013, 9:02:31 AM7/4/13
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On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:21:03 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam "DGVREIMAN"
<dgvr...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Doug Says: Regardless, Snowden violated his contract with the US
>Government, and he knew doing so was a crime. If he *really* wanted
>to be whistle blower he could have approached an IG section and
>processed his information through the normal whistle blower
>protection progam. Instead he went to China, gave them all of our
>secrets, and then he went to Russia, and gave them our secrets as
>well.
>
>It is obvious Snowden is an enemy of the USA, and he is working with
>or on behalf of nations that have been hostile to the USA in the past.
>IF the NSA is doing anything wrong the Inspector General Division
>would have stopped them, and Snowden would have been a hero. But
>instead he funneled top secret information to nations hostile to the
>interests of the USA.
>
>I believe Snowden, once all the Owl Shit has been boiled off, is a spy
>that was about to be outed so he used the "I am revealing Top Secret
>information to protect Americans" ploy. I believe he should be
>arrested and tried for espionage.
>
>Very strange this guy took off for China and Russia. No real whistle
>blower that had America's best interest at heart would do such a
>thing. If Snowden is canonized for his treachery, then every spy in
>the future will attempt the same ploy.
>
>Doug Grant (Tm)
I'd guess that, if you took a real civilian jury (not the spooks
<dgvr...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Doug Says: Regardless, Snowden violated his contract with the US
>Government, and he knew doing so was a crime. If he *really* wanted
>to be whistle blower he could have approached an IG section and
>processed his information through the normal whistle blower
>protection progam. Instead he went to China, gave them all of our
>secrets, and then he went to Russia, and gave them our secrets as
>well.
>
>It is obvious Snowden is an enemy of the USA, and he is working with
>or on behalf of nations that have been hostile to the USA in the past.
>IF the NSA is doing anything wrong the Inspector General Division
>would have stopped them, and Snowden would have been a hero. But
>instead he funneled top secret information to nations hostile to the
>interests of the USA.
>
>I believe Snowden, once all the Owl Shit has been boiled off, is a spy
>that was about to be outed so he used the "I am revealing Top Secret
>information to protect Americans" ploy. I believe he should be
>arrested and tried for espionage.
>
>Very strange this guy took off for China and Russia. No real whistle
>blower that had America's best interest at heart would do such a
>thing. If Snowden is canonized for his treachery, then every spy in
>the future will attempt the same ploy.
>
>Doug Grant (Tm)
Snowden would get) and made that case, they would probably convict
him.
OTOH, one should at least be able to see the other side of that
argument. Heck, the asshole was probably jealous of all the attention
Manning is getting; however, I could present Snowden's position and,
at least, keep a straight face.
Most people will agree with you; I'm not saying that I don't... I just
try to look at a complicated issue from more than a single logical
vantage point.
Jones
Bubba
Jul 4, 2013, 9:26:39 PM7/4/13
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On Thu, 04 Jul 2013, ︰ones <fgt...@erta.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:21:03 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam "DGVREIMAN"
><dgvr...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
snip
>On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:21:03 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam "DGVREIMAN"
><dgvr...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>
>I'd guess that, if you took a real civilian jury (not the spooks
>Snowden would get) and made that case, they would probably convict
>him.
>
>OTOH, one should at least be able to see the other side of that
>argument. Heck, the asshole was probably jealous of all the attention
>Manning is getting; however, I could present Snowden's position and,
>at least, keep a straight face.
>
>Most people will agree with you; I'm not saying that I don't... I just
>try to look at a complicated issue from more than a single logical
>vantage point.
>
>Jones
It's all scripted theater and "need to know," you know.
>I'd guess that, if you took a real civilian jury (not the spooks
>Snowden would get) and made that case, they would probably convict
>him.
>
>OTOH, one should at least be able to see the other side of that
>argument. Heck, the asshole was probably jealous of all the attention
>Manning is getting; however, I could present Snowden's position and,
>at least, keep a straight face.
>
>Most people will agree with you; I'm not saying that I don't... I just
>try to look at a complicated issue from more than a single logical
>vantage point.
>
>Jones
--
Bub
Dai Uy
Jul 6, 2013, 5:34:57 PM7/6/13
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On Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:32:02 AM UTC-10, ¡Jones wrote:
> I'm a little bit more charitable to Snowden than I was to Manning for
> several reasons.
>
> First of all, that our government is collecting data on everyone and
> everything it can is a pretty well established fact and already was so
> long before Snowden published it. The other sides of our little wars
> knew (or should have figured out) this all along; therefore, Snowden
> didn't reveal any new information.
>
> I tend to support the government's intelligence gathering operations.
>
> It really shouldn't have come as any great shock to US citizens that
> they were being monitored... remember "Carnivore"? (What a terrible
> name for a program, huh? I'd have called it "Bambi" or something like
> that.) The bottom line is that we *know* big brother is always
> watching; where I have a problem is when they try to convince us that
> they're not. If they were just up front and said: "Anything you say
> or write can be recorded," then, at least, we have transparency.
> Heck, email is always sent in clear text; therefore, you have no
> expectation of privacy.
>
> Jones
Have We All Been Fooled By Edward Snowden?
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/06/have-we-all-been-fooled-by-edward-snowden/
***
> I'm a little bit more charitable to Snowden than I was to Manning for
> several reasons.
>
> First of all, that our government is collecting data on everyone and
> everything it can is a pretty well established fact and already was so
> long before Snowden published it. The other sides of our little wars
> knew (or should have figured out) this all along; therefore, Snowden
> didn't reveal any new information.
>
> I tend to support the government's intelligence gathering operations.
>
> It really shouldn't have come as any great shock to US citizens that
> they were being monitored... remember "Carnivore"? (What a terrible
> name for a program, huh? I'd have called it "Bambi" or something like
> that.) The bottom line is that we *know* big brother is always
> watching; where I have a problem is when they try to convince us that
> they're not. If they were just up front and said: "Anything you say
> or write can be recorded," then, at least, we have transparency.
> Heck, email is always sent in clear text; therefore, you have no
> expectation of privacy.
>
> Jones
Have We All Been Fooled By Edward Snowden?
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/06/have-we-all-been-fooled-by-edward-snowden/
***
Stumpy REMF
Jul 7, 2013, 9:29:18 AM7/7/13
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On 7/6/2013 4:34 PM, Dai Uy wrote:
ah dunno...the author claims to be a Wiccan priestess think about it
though...have we been "snowed" by Snowden?
though...have we been "snowed" by Snowden?
DGVREIMAN
Jul 7, 2013, 4:53:27 PM7/7/13
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Why? The question was whether Snowden is a criminal. The answer is
yes. If there are mitigating circumstances then I have not heard
about them.
Doug Grant (Tm)
>
yes. If there are mitigating circumstances then I have not heard
about them.
Doug Grant (Tm)
>
Stumpy REMF
Jul 7, 2013, 8:18:38 PM7/7/13
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On 7/7/2013 3:53 PM, DGVREIMAN wrote:
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> "︰ones" <fgt...@erta.com> wrote in message
wouldn't be the first time
>
> "︰ones" <fgt...@erta.com> wrote in message
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