AHMEDINEJAD - SOUNDS VERY FAMILIAR
DGVREIMAN
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Comparing the Iranian President's Ahmedinejad's recent U.N. remarks to
some statements that have been posted by the key member of the Nigel
Brooks hate/con/smear gang, who goes by the fake name of SteveL (who
denies he is Steve Leyland) and considering such remarks from SteveL
have been certified as true by Nigel Brooks - I must again ask SteveL
and his gang leader Nigel Brooks to PLEASE post some verification of
their statements that seem to agree with the Iranian President
Ahmadinejad recent howls and barks at the U.N.!
Example: http://tinyurl.com/28pcxpm
"Mr. Ahmadinejad, who delved into the 9/11 tragedy in the context of a
speech focused on what he called the "crisis" facing capitalism and
the Western-dominated world order, said history will record that a
failing world dominator used the 911 attacks as a pretext for
occupying two countries, Afghanistan and Iraq."
End Ahmadinejad first report:
Doug Says:
The key Nigel Brooks hate gang member SteveL has posted *precisely the
same propaganda above* as Mr. Ahmadinejad has on several occasions.
SteveL even claimed that the USA violated the sovereignty of nations
while using the 911 massacres as a pretext. Strange that the Nigel
Brooks hate gang member SteveL would use the "precise same false
accusations and propaganda" as the Iranian President also used????
Gosh - do you suppose they just might have the same propaganda agenda?
You think! BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Ahmedinejad report continues:
"'Citing a list of conspiracy theories over who destroyed the twin
towers, he (Ahmadinejad) said that, whoever the culprits, the United
States proceeded to use the events to try to prolong a dying world
order of domination."
Doug Says: The above could be an exact quote from one of the Nigel
Brooks key hate gang member's Hate America posts.
Ahmedinejad report continues:
1. "Addressing the annual opening of the UN General Assembly, just
miles from the site of the deadliest of the 9/11 attacks, the Iranian
leader said the US responded to the attacks by firing up a "propaganda
machine" to convince the world that war was the necessary response."
"We were all saddened for the 3,000 lives lost on 9/11," he said, but
he added that "since then hundreds of thousands of people have been
killed in Afghanistan and Iraq."
Doug Says: Again, the above statement from Ahmedinejad could have been
extracted directly from one of SteveL's hate America USENET posts!
As an example:
http://tinyurl.com/2ea4s3p STEVEL - U.S. MURDERED 1,000,000 IN IRAQ -
INCLUDING ½ MILLION CHILDREN
http://tinyurl.com/2g5qszn SteveL says US Troops murdering "Made
up" enemies! (Ntlworld account that SteveL does not deny using). In
this post SteveL much the same as Ahmedinejad's claim that Iran "does
not support terrorism" claims that a Islamic Jihadist Terrorists - are
"a made up enemy" by the USA.
SteveL also echoes Ahmedinejad by claiming we used 911 to "invade
Iraq and Afghanistan just like Adolph Hitler!"
So where is the key Nigel Brooks hate gang member SteveL getting his
hate propaganda from? Obviously, it is coming directly from the same
cesspool that Mr. Ahmedinejad is swilling from.
>-- a nation of "holy" warriors called Jihadistan.
SteveL said:
A made up enemy. The mark of a fascist. Fear Fear Fear.
But anyway, what will prevent them now? Nothing. Except we've stirred
up the hornet's nest even more.
Fuck the Iraqi people and their *sovereignty*. *We* want to fight
a war here. So tough.
>Yep he's a coward. The most ludicrously overarmed nation in the
world's "national security" is at risk by Saddam.
SteveL said:
Fucking liar.
So we just invade because it's in our interests to invade. Just
like Adolf Hitler.
(SteveL blaming the USA above for responding to 911 - he says we
"stirred up the hornet's nest even more.") - I would love to see some
proof of this hate America propaganda from either SteveL or from Nigel
Brooks who claims what SteveL says is true.
More Excerpts from Ahmedinejad's comments are presented below:
"The US delegation and others walked out of Ahmadinejad's speech after
he began enumerating his theories as to who could have been behind the
9/11 attacks, the second of which was that "some segments within the
US government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining
American economy and its grips on the Middle East in order also to
save the Zionist regime."
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Friday that the background to the attacks
on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in 2001 was "suspicious".
A day earlier US and Western diplomats walked out of the UN summit as
Ahmadinejad said many believed "some segments within the US government
orchestrated the attack".
Doug Says: The above could have been a direct quotation from one of
the hundreds of the SteveL hate America posts. See below for
comparisons of SteveL's posts with Ahmadinejad's past statements:
http://tinyurl.com/25az8qh STEVEL - DOUG LIKES 911- AND BUSH DID IT
(From NTLworld account SteveL admits using - note his reference to the
PNAC site below under his NTLworld account IS PRECISELY THE SAME AS
SEVERAL REFERENCES TO THAT PNAC SITE FROM THE STEVEL THAT POSTS UNDER
THE AOL ACCOUNT - which SteveL denies is him....wow the coincidences
just keep piling up connecting that AOL account to the other accounts
SteveL uses!
Note that long ago I challenged this crackpot and Nigel Brooks hate
gang member SteveL about his lies, and he has been stalking and
harassing me ever since. Nigel Brooks said that SteveL "never lied"
under this account - frankly I cannot find where he ever told the
truth!
If Brooks convinced you to believe this Nigel Brooks gang members lies
about me, you are one of the biggest suckers in the world! SteveL
appears to be a well-defined pathological liar!
(Just ask SteveL or Nigel Brooks for some proof to back up SteveL's
hate America propaganda (very similar to Iran's Ahmedijad's) and watch
them both scurry back to their sewers.
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:46:48 GMT, "DGVREIMAN"
1. <dggr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Doug Says: Steve, which "Doug" are you talking about? Further,
>your opinion on the 911 massacres is about as uninformed, ill
>conceived as your opinion about anyone that wants to prosecute
>our war on terrorism to its final victory.
>Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL said:
The CIA had evidence. This is well known. Clinton's man Tenet was
"frantic" trying to get meetings with Bush to raise the profile but
was denied/blocked because he had to go via Rice. He needed to pass
the ball to the FBI and they didn't want to know. Sheer incompetence?
Mere Internecine strife? Check out the PNAC site.
This is no fanatic's site. Essentially, bottom line, America should
use its military power whenever and where ever it sees fit. In one of
their major reports - written in 2000 - they said that "the process of
transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to
be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a
new Pearl Harbor.".
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Clearly, however disastrous on any number of levels 9/11 was. it was a
godsend to the advancement of PNAC's ambitions.
Frankly, I think 911 was a godsend for you too. You're having the time
of your life spreading vitriol all over the place, calling for war
here, there, everywhere. Without 9/11 or the war on terror and your
style would be cramped to say the least.
SteveL
SteveL from his NTL world account (which Nigel Brooks confirms is
always true) also said similar to AHMEDINEJAD in the following SteveL
posts as well:
STEVEL - BUSH ADMIN KNEW IN ADVANCE ABOUT 911!
STEVEL- NEOCONS ARE USING 911 TO JUSTIFY FOREIGN AGGRESSION!
STEVEL - 70% OF AMERICANS BRAINWASHED AND IGNORANT
STEVEL- MENTIONS "NEW PEARL HARBOR" AND THE "PNAC" AGAIN THE EXACT
SAME WAY AS THE STEVEL THAT POSTS UNDER THE AOL ACCOUNT HAS DONE
SEVERAL TIMES!
http://tinyurl.com/38yuxco
Here is what the key Nigel Brooks hate gang member SteveL said about
911 and the Bush Administration knowing about 911 before it happened
and doing nothing to stop it from his ntlworld account: (Note that
Nigel Brooks has said that everything SteveL posts from his Ntlworld
account is true.)
SteveL said about 911:
"I'm even willing to entertain the possibility that some higher ups in
the Bush administration were aware that something was cooking and slid
on trying to stop it..."
Everybody knows (except apparently some 70% of ignorant and/or
brainwashed Americans at one time) that Iraq nad *nothing* to do with
9/11.
9/11 has certainly been *ruthlessly* exploited after the fact by
neocons seeking to justify their foreign policy aggression, and I'm
even willing to entertain the possibility that some higher ups in the
Bush administration were aware that something was cooking and slid on
trying to stop it in the hopes of getting the "new Pearl Harbor"
justification mentioned at PNAC,
SteveL
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http://tinyurl.com/32nll35 Ntlworld account SteveL admits using and
the SteveL account that Nigel Brooks said all posts from his key hate
gang member are all true.
STEVEL - BUSH ADMIN ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTED THAT 911 HAPPENED
STEVEL- 911 RUTHELESSLY EXPLOITED AND SHOEHORNED INTO JUSTIFICATION
FOR A HYPER-AGGRESSIVE (USA) FOREIGN POLICY...
STEVEL - ONCE AGAIN REFERENCES THE "NEW PEARL HARBOR" AND THE "PNAC"
THE SAME AS THAT STEVEL THAT POSTS UNDER AOL DOES!
do believe that 9/11 has been 100% *ruthlessly* exploited
politically and shoehorned into a justification for a hyper-aggressive
foreign policy.
1. I believe that there are those in the Bush administration who are
absolutely *delighted* that 9/11 happened because it gives them the
"new Pearl Harbor" they openly discuss in the Project for a New
American Century.
SteveL
http://tinyurl.com/39hnxrv Ntlworld account that SteveL admits he
uses and the account in which Nigel Brooks has confirmed everything
his key hate gang member SteveL says is true.
STEVEL - BUSH, CHENEY, RUMSFELD ET AL HAVE TAKEN CYNICAL ADVANTAGE OF
911 TO FURTHER THE PNAC AGENDA
STEVEL -INVASION OF IRAQ BASED UPON 911
STEVEL - NOTE THAT STEVEL USED THE THREE EXACT NAMES BUSH, CHENEY AND
RUMSFELD IN RESPECT TO 911 TREACHERY THE EXACT SAME WORDING AS THE
STEVEL THAT USES THE AOL ACCOUNT DID!
"Of course not! We've been saying it all along. The document shows
that Bush, and dual administration/PNAC members Cheney, Wolfowitz,
Rumsfeld et al have taken cynical and shameless political advantage of
9/11 to further that agenda. (The Iraqi invasion is undeniably part of
the "War on Terror", which is itself a reaction to 9/11).
1. Don't whine about the Left when your own heroes are doing it
shamelessly right in front of you. "
SteveL
http//tinyurl.com/348wdjv Ntlworld account that SteveL admits using
and that Nigel Brooks confirms always contains true posts:
STEVEL - USA UNILATERALLY AND ILLEGALLY INVADED IRAQ.
STEVEL - USA IS A BAND OF CUTTHROATS WHO FLOUT INTERNATIONAL LAW.
STEVEL - ANYONE THAT DISAGREES IS WITH STEVEL IS A PNAC FASCIST!
(There is that PNAC word connection again between the AOL SteveL and
the Ntworld SteveL).
STEVEL - UN-AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE IN POWER NOW.
STEVEL- ENDS HIS HATE AMERICA TIRADE WITH HIS UBIQUITOUS PERSONAL
ATTACK AT THE END OF HIS POST AGAINST THE PERSON THAT ARGUED WITH HIM.
>Gee, I hate to burden you with obvious facts, but, Saddam Hussein was
>removed >from power by the allied invasion. His regime is no longer
>in power. That's >all that counts.
Stevel replied with:
2. Well, that is NOT all that counts. And if you can't see the
dangerous road you're in favor of heading down then there is no hope
for you as a person. Invasions of foreign, sovereign nations has to be
justified with more than self-satisfied might-is-right rhetoric. But
if that's
your bedrock opinion, then I insist you stop quoting bullshit legalese
justifications for it. They are completely bogus, and it's at this
level that I'm arguing with you. You lynched a horse thief. You
ignored the rule of law. Don't you DARE try to pretend what you did
was legal, even if you think unilateral invasions are morally right.
>Any of the above that is disconcerting to you is most
>unfortunate, but, that's the way it is - like it or lump it. There's
>no going
>back now;
SteveL replied:
That's the problem. The genie's out of the bottle now. We are a band
of cutthroats who flout international law. No going back from that.
1. >the allied forces booted Hussein from power and the country has
>(shudder) elected new leaders.
"Allied Forces" LOL!
Reading the above confirms that you are PNAC fascist who believes that
what the USA does in her own interests is good for the world by
default, and if it isn't then who cares..... Listening to someone like
you lecture me about elections and sovereignty is a bit much this time
in the morning. You don't care one jot about the Iraqi people.
> Might makes right? No, that isn't an American concept.
BWHAHAHA!!!! That's *exactly* the concept you are pushing. Might makes
right. My country right or wrong. Screw the legalities, we are right
and will do what we want, and that's that. Illegal? The law is wrong.
This is the real world. Live with it. etc.
You're right that it isn't an American concept though. Trouble is
there are some very un-American people and ideas in power just now.
And you're cheerleading them.
> Living in the world of "what ifs" and "if onlys" may assuage your
>sense of fantasy and get you through the night, but, it will never
>change the
>fact that the allied invasion has inexorably changed the history of
>the
>Middle East and there's no going back. While you may contend that
>what has
>come to pass in Iraq is because of injustice or false premises, rest
>assured
>that world history is filled with such events. In other words, get
>over it.
Translation. "I will lie and attempt to justify illegal invasions by
misquoting legal language. If I am caught I will say that the
legalities don't matter because we "did the right thing", and I will
deliberately use logical fallacies to claim that the people who caught
me out hate America and love her enemies".
SteveL
9.
http://tinyurl.com/29wdfuh From SteveL's Ntlworld account. Note that
Nigel Brooks says that his key gang member SteveL "never lies" when he
posts under this account. See if you agree with Mr. Nigel Brooks in
respect to what his key hate gang member has posted below that agrees
with what the Iranian President Ahmedinejad said recently at the U.N.
STEVEL - U.S. VIOLATES GENEVA CONVENTION
STEVEL - U.S. INVADED AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ FOR REVENGE
STEVEL - U.S. REFUSES CAPTIVES FAIR TRIALS
STEVEL - TERRORISTS NOT ATTACKING USA DUE TO RELIGION DIFFERENCES
From the Ntlworld account that SteveL admits he uses.
"What facts? Spill them out. Tell me how *you* think terrorism is
born.
1. Tell me why it's "bullshit" that invading countries is likely to
trigger terrorism?
>And anyone who disagrees is brainwashed?
>Sounds like you know you dont have an arguement.
This is not for argument. Revenge is BASIC psychology. So is hatred. A
psychology you yourself exhibit in spades post 9-11, yet you
ironically try to deny such motivations exist in the countries we
invade.
A few terrorists destroy a couple of buildings and kill a couple of
thousand people in OUR country **(chicken feed to what others have
suffered around the world in living memory)** and ANYTHING goes to get
back at them and their kind, **including pre-emptive invasion of
sovereign states.**
We're good guys who follow the Geneva Convention?
Not any more!!!. No more Mr Nice Guy. Nobody messes with US and gets
away with it. Fair trials? FUCK THAT!! Those animals don't deserve
it!!! etc. etc. etc.
But *they're* just going to take us invading their region on the chin.
They're not going to say FUCK THAT!! They're just going to sit there
and take us outsiders destroying their sovereignty.
So tell me. Are you claiming that the Arabs are better people than
Right Wing Americans? Seems to me that's what you're doing, if they
aren't going to try to take revenge on the US for attacking their
region, when we attack them for hurting us (and pontificate righteous
indignation while we do so.....)
Oh right. It's just caused by evil people, envy and religious
intolerance....
Now THAT'S bullshit.
SteveL
(Remember OBL first audio tape? He said if the USA would convert to
Islam he would stop attacking America and its interests. Does that
sound like he did not have religion or jihad as a reason to attack
America? SteveL is constantly supporting these people and blaming the
USA for 911 and other terrorists attacks - right in line with the
propaganda we are hearing from Iran's Ahmedinejad!)
10.
http://tinyurl.com/28lnt5u STEVEL - HATE ISRAEL - PRO PALESTINIANS
from Ntlworld account SteveL admits he uses. Note that Nigel Brooks
has said that SteveL never lies when he posts under his Ntlworld
account. See if you agree with the Nigel Brooks hate gang member
SteveL and Nigel Brooks in respect to the following statements that
closely resemble what the Iranian President Ahmedinejad said recently
at the United Nations:
STEVEL - USA BACKS AND INSTALLS CORRUPT ARAB DICTATORSHIPS
STEVEL - USA USING PROPAGANDA TO PROVIDE REASON FOR WHY TERRORIST
ATTACK THE USA
SteveL said:
How about honestly assessing for once why the terrorists attacked us.
"They are evil cowards and they hate democracy and Mom's Apple Pie, so
we must force them to stop!!" just doesn't cut it.
Perhaps in wake of that future honest assessment a more even handed
Middle East policy
would emerge that doesn't reflexively veto every single UN resolution
against Israel, or back and install corrupt Arab dictatorships to ease
our access to the oil, that acknowledges that the Palestinians have a
little bit of a case etc. etc.
2. We're still waiting for an honest assessment from the US
government.
3. The brain dead "they hate us because we'e good and pure" propaganda
is coming even more thick and fast than usual. Even the UK government
(lap dog that it is) is honest enough to criticize the US's middle
east policy. And that has been going on for decades.
How long will we wait??
>... (crickets chirping) ...
You got THAT right!
<snip delusions>
SteveL
11.
http://tinyurl.com/2bossst STEVEL - U.S. TO BLAME FOR 911
FROM Ntlworld account that SteveL admits using. Note that Nigel
Brooks has said that everything SteveL posts from this account is
true. See if you agree with SteveL, Nigel Brooks and the Iranian
President Ahmedinejad that the USA is to blame for 911?
STEVEL - USA STUPID
SteveL said:
"We NEED a more even handed policy (and we don';t have to just hope
for one). That should have been the lesson of 9/11. Instead the lesson
was to increase the mistakes and stupidity that generated the hatred
in the first place.
1. Yes I *AM* blaming high level US foreign policy decisions
ultimately for 9/11. So sue me.
2. That's my honest assessment. And it is based on 30 years of
travelling the world for my work, and not being subjected to the
simplistic "Israel good, Arabs bad" propaganda crap Americans
have chucked at them every day.
SteveL
Nigel Brooks says his key gang member SteveL never lies when he posts
under his Ntlworld account. So do you agree with Nigel Brooks and
SteveL that the USA is to blame for the 911 massacres? Do you agree
the USA is stupid when it comes to foreign policy?
Doug Grant (Tm)
12.
http://tinyurl.com/245yart This Hate America post is from the SteveL
demon.uk account that SteveL was forced to admit was his. Note that
SteveL is a key member of the Nigel Brooks hate/smear/con gang.
STEVEL - 911 DEAD NOT WORTH WAR ON TERROR
STEVEL - EVERYONE KNEW 911 WAS COMING EXCEPT THE USA
from demon.uk account that SteveL uses - and lied about. (He replied
to several of my posts under this account back in 2002 - so when he
lied that he only used the Ntlworld account - I knew I could prove
otherwise).
Stevel said:
Seriously, It really is only the United Sates that was totally
jaw-droppingly amazed by what happened on Sept 11th. Many, Many,
*MANY* friends of the US had predicted something like it.
1. >Furthermore, there is no such thing as "justice," at least in this
>world. One man's justice is another man's iniquity.
Looks like it's being fulfilled: Possibly 50,000 dead expected after
the winter in Afghanistan. Small price to pay for 5000 dead in
America, it sadly seems.
SteveL
Doug Says: So do you agree with SteveL that murders on 911 was not
worth the invasion of Afghanistan to root out Al Qaeda and the
Taliban? Add the personal attack fraud and false accusations this
cyber stalker uses to defame anyone that disagrees with his hate
American propaganda, and you have a real clear example of a key member
of the Nigel Brooks hate/con/smear gang at work. Not to mention the
fact he is clearly echoing what the Iranian President Ahmedinejad has
been saying lately at the U.N.
Also, I for one would love to see evidence the USA and its allies
murdered 50,000 in Afghanistan because we suffered 5000 murdered in
America??
13.
http://tinyurl.com/2b7hoc5 STEVEL- AMERICANS IGNORANT
from SteveL's demon.uk account which clearly belongs to SteveL as he
used it to reply to some of my own posts, and the proof he used this
account is overwhelming and irrefutable. (Yes SteveL lied about only
using his Ntlworld account - and lied about not using other accounts
as well. But if you have been reading his posts, that is what SteveL
does, lies.)
STEVEL - BUSH'S "CRUSADERS" CONDUCTING WAR AGAINST MUSLIMS
STEVEL - U.S. BELIEVES ITS PEOPLE'S LIVES SUPERIOR TO PEOPLE FROM
VIETNAM, LAOS, CAMBODIA, CHILE, GUATEMALA, NICARAGUA, IRAQ,
AFGHANISTAN, IRAN, KUWAIT AND OTHERS...
STEVEL- I'M AMERICAN. GIVE ME CREDIT FOR KNOWING MY OWN PEOPLE.
STEVEL - USA ABUSES CAUGHT UP WITH THEM ON 911
STEVEL- MUSLIMS ATTACK AMERICA BECAUSE OF USA POLICIES NOT BECAUSE OF
RELIGIOUS DIFFERENCES
Doug Says: The chances of this SteveL hate monger speaking for all
Americans is about the same as Adolph Hitler speaking for all Jews.
STEVEL SAID:
That's some master plan you've dreamed up. However, "we" have no
campaign. The campaigners are Bush's "crusaders".
Postersaid:
>And one popular line used for this purpose is 'America [and, by
> >extension, Britain] thinks its lives are more important than
>[several >names could fill the blank]'.
SeveL replied with:
And there are plenty of options for the blanks. Vietnam, Laos,
Cambodia, Chile, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran,
Kuwait, and others I'm too tired to remember now. And before you get
on my case, I'm American. Give me credit for knowing my own people.
You should read some of the "let's nuke Afghanistan now, so we can get
back to normal" posts in alt.politics before you defend accusations of
American ignorance. And these aren't totally dumb people. Many of the
people showing this ignorance of the effects of nuclear weapons are
fully aware of the fine details of internecine domestic politics. But
their picture of the outside world is all broad strokes in primary
colors - and that's being generous.
Nonsense. People are people. That's all. Nobody's "better" than anyone
else. That's the *point*. What pisses me off is the automatic
assumption by the American press and politicians that the US has a
moral superiority, virtually by default.
Criticism of US foreign policy has been a regular occurance in the
British news for decades. Politicians and commentators from all over
the spectrum have expressed this on a regular basis. Sometimes with
anger. Often with a kind of bemused or patronising "wish they'd stop
and think" attitude.
There's nothing new about this, and in my view they're right. The
awful events of Sept 11th doesn't alter the fact that past US abuses
have caught up with them.
While we're on the subject of lies, how about the official American
answer to why it could possibly be that these foreigners could hate
the US enough to commit such an act. Why of course, they hate the
freedoms we enjoy, especially the religious freedom, and women having
the vote. Hell they just *hate*.
That's a very convenient answer.....
The Wall St Journal (perhaps this organ meets with your approval where
the BBC doesn't) had a survey of wealthy Muslim businessmen on Sept
14th. They expressed resentment of US policies of supporting Israel's
"crimes", the US's constant vetoing of UN sanctions against them. They
resented the continued US military attacks on Iraq, the bombing of
Iraqi civilians, and supporting anti-democratic regimes in the area.
These were well to do, educated people. Aren't the ordinary dirt poor
people actually suffering these things going to feel even more bitter
about it? To the point perhaps of resorting to acts of terrorism?
SteveL
STEVEL - AMERICANS ARE IN A STATE OF IGNORANCE.
STEVEL - IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME YOU ARE A "BORDERLINE FASCHIST"
STEVEL - TALIBAN AFGHAN GOVT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 911 - WE HAD NO
RIGHT TO INVADE AFGHANISTAN.
STEVEL - USA REGARDS 911 DEATHS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE SOVEREIGNTY OF
A NATION - AND USA WILL KILL TEN TIMES MORE .
STEVEL - USA SHOWS A NATIONAL ARROGANCE.
STEVEL - 911 MURDERS HAD A REAL CAUSE.
STEVEL - RADICAL ISLAM DOES NOT HAVE WORLD DOMINATION AMBITIONS - THEY
ARE JUST REACTING TO USA FOREIGN POLICY.
STEVEL - USA BOMBED WASTE DISPOSAL PLANTS IN IRAQ TO DELIBERATELY USE
GERM WARFARE TO SPREAD DISEASE.
STEVEL - IRAQ ALWAYS HAD A CLAIM FOR KUWAIT.
STEVEL - USA STARTS PROXY WARS.
http://tinyurl.com/2bakx7s STEVEL - I AM ANTI-AMERICAN - THOSE THAT
OPPOSE ME ARE "BORDERLINE FASCISTS" ste...@stevelon.demon.co.uk I
could say the same thing. I was a USAF brat all my childhood.
Un-thinking pro-America was instilled in me
http://tinyurl.com/32k3rqt SteveL said:
steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com
BTW, Air Force people don't go to West Point. They go to the USAFA in
Colorado. But the same thing applies there. They do get *paid* though,
unlike normal undergraduates. They live under USAF regulations, and
can be court martialled by a military court. I assume the same applies
to the USMA, and Annapolis.
1. What are you trying to suggest Doug. That I'm lying about being an
Air
Force Brat?
I've lived a lot of my adult life overseas. That has taught me that
some non-American views have merit - even some which are seen as
anti-American by people in the same state of ignorance I was kept in
before.
Too many people in this group sharing your view are just borderline
fascists who've never been open to argument and probably never will.
Don't agree at all. Sept 11th was a *terrorist* act. Not an act of war
by Afghanistan. Yet we fall into the trap of behaving as though our
argument is with a government - because we don't know how to respond
any differently.
We've gone to war with people who won't turn over a criminal suspect -
not thwarting power mad dictators bent on world domination. We tacitly
regard 5000 lives in New York as more important than the sovereignty
of a nation, and the potential deaths there of 10 times that figure.
That's shows a national arrogance of almost unbelievable scope, and
only helps to confirm to Arabs that their suspicion of America is well
founded.
Now the transmogrification is complete, with Tony Blair's unilateral
statement that we should regard bin Laden and the Taliban as the same
thing. Very convenient, because it legitmises the traditional methods.
Any blow against Afghanistan is now a blow against bin Laden, and is
therefore legitimate, no matter how many die.
A group of people commandeering civilian aircraft and flying them into
buildings is not the same thing as invading Czechoslovakia or Poland.
It's not even a microcosm of it.
>> >> There are many, many people who have excellent reasons to hate
>> >> the US.
>> >That is a disingenuous, indirect way of saying that the attack on
>> >the
>> >US was justified.
>> Alleging cause and effect doesn't imply approval for the effect.
>> The
>> US will never rid itself of terrorism unless it honestly examines
>> it's
>> own role in triggering it. And its foreign policy *has* played a
>> role
>> in triggering it - everyone sees it but some right wing Americans.
>Would that be the 80-90% of Americans who understand what we have to
>do now, or some smaller group?
Whether 80-90% of Americans either ignore or just don't know that this
whole thing has a real cause, is neither here nor there. The very idea
of it is never mentioned in the mainstream US media, so it comes as no
surprise.
>> Pointing that out isn't being an apologist for terrorism. Wilfully
>> ignoring it *is* in a way, in that it invites further atrocities
>> like
>> Sept 11th.
>I think you're implying that the blame you place on America somehow
>lessens the guilt of the perpetrators
> or reduces our right to fight
>back. I also think you are not heeding your own observation that
>"nothing is cut and dried."
I'm precisely making the point that nothing is cut and dried. It's the
simplistic "they started it. let's finish it - all other
considerations recinded" theme where everything *is* cut and dried.
You think that it's just down to a new virulant brand of Islam that's
taken root, and must be stamped out. I'd say *that's* the naive view.
It was an honestly taken inference that you were taking the (commonly
expressed) line advocating we just wade in and lay waste to the
region. If it's not what you really implied then sorry. Regardless, it
isn't *me* who trivializes genocide.
>> In that case I'd be interested in whether or not you agree that US
>
You imply this new Islam has designs of worLdwide aggression. I say
Arabs are reacting to *our* foreign policy aggression, and religious
fundamentalists are carrying the torch and rallying support for
themselves because they openly stand against it. If I'm right then
stopping the aggression *is* a sensible way forward and not naive
appeasement of a threat to us (that wouldn't exist were it not for our
policies).
Sept 11th was an act of hatred against the US committed by a group of
fanatics, not an act of war worthy of responding with a "real" war
against another country.
Dismissing it on rabid forms of Islam, who hate freedom and the
advancement of women in Western society is very convenient to those
wishing to feel 100% righteously indignant, but it ignores the real
causes totally.
Perhaps actions such as backing the mujahadeen against Russia
(creating the roots of the Taliban government and teaching bin Laden
everything he knows along the way) then abandoning them as soon as the
war was over and we'd finished putting one over on the Russians...
Backing Saddam Hussein in a horribly costly war against Iran (because
Iran dared to overthrow the US backed Shah - and again, resulting in
making Saddam who he is today)... Then attacking Iraq for 10 years
because they dared to invade Kuwait (to which they have always laid
claim), imposing sanctions on them leading (however indirectly) to the
deaths of 500,000 children - even repeatedly bombing waste treatment
plants in an apparently deliberate effort to spread disease (source
unicef).... Constant, total, non-wavering, automated support for
Israel, and equally constant disregard for the Palestinians....
Perhaps the sum of those things (and others) is a better explanation
for the "Islamic" hatred behind Sept 11th, than those ridiculous and
self-serving "they hate freedom and democracy" reasons peddled out by
the government, and which you appear to agree with. After all, the
terrorists attacked the heart of American *power* - economic power
(WTC) and miltiary power (the Pentagon). They didn't attack the Statue
of Liberty, or any other symbol of democracy. They didn't attack
Christian symbols either.
It's easy for you to caricature British appeasers to Hitler discussing
unfair reparations, the Sudetenland, and the Danzig corridor as things
we can "blame" ourselves for -- if we're stupid, that is. But the
foreign policy of the US in the Middle-East has been far more
intrusive, active, and directly destructive than our indirect "blame"
for setting up the conditions for the Third Reich to flourish ever
were. No-one in the 20s and 30s started or inflamed multiple proxy
wars in Europe leading to millions of deaths for ever changing
domestically inspired reasons. And if they did, don't you think they
would be hated by the Europeans affected by it?
>Do you believe those
>who hate us will stop hating us if we do what they say they want us
>to
>do (i.e. appease them)? Do you believe they are not trying hard to
>get
>nukes?
Hmm, a loaded question if ever there was one. "Appeasing" "them". Who
exactly?. I'm saying that America's foreign policy has negatively
impacted on literally millions of families in the Middle-East.
SteveL
(Doug Says: My God how this Nigel Brooks hate gang member lies! If
you can find any worse hate America propagandist or worse liar than
this obviously pro-terrorist then I have not seen one - other than on
other SteveL accounts. As a case in point, read his account of USA
using germ warfare and check out his reference - it does not exist
other than from Radical Muslim propaganda. He must be a part of some
radical Muslim web site - which is the only thing I can fathom from
this hate monger Nigel Brooks key gang member.) The similarity
between the Iranian President Ahmedinejad's hate America statements
and the Nigel Brooks hate gang member SteveL's are downright amazing!
Obviously, they are drinking from the same cesspool trough.
__________________________________________________________________________
http://tinyurl.com/2b7hoc5 STEVEL- ISRAEL CRIMES AND USA'S SUPPORT OF
THOSE CRIMES CAUSE OF 911
(From SteveL's demon.uk account - which of course is his.)
Doug Says: The chances of this SteveL hate monger speaking for all
Americans is about the same as Adolph Hitler speaking for all Jews.
SteveL said:
What pisses me off is the automatic assumption by the American press
and politicians that the US has a moral superiority, virtually by
default - and all because, for once, they are the victims of a
terrible and evil act.
The awful events of Sept 11th doesn't alter the fact that past US
abuses have caught up with them.
While we're on the subject of lies, how about the official American
answer to why it could possibly be that these foreigners could hate
the US enough to commit such an act. Why of course, they hate the
freedoms we enjoy, especially the religious freedom, and women having
the vote. Hell they just *hate*.
That's a very convenient answer.....
The Wall St Journal (perhaps this organ meets with your approval where
the BBC doesn't) had a survey of wealthy Muslim businessmen on Sept
14th. They expressed resentment of US policies of supporting Israel's
"crimes", the US's constant vetoing of UN sanctions against them. They
resented the continued US military attacks on Iraq, the bombing of
Iraqi civilians, and supporting anti-democratic regimes in the area.
SteveL
Ahmedinejad continues:
"The Holocaust, Ahmedinejad said, was "a historical event used to
create a pretext for war."
Asking questions about the Holocaust, he said, should not to be
equated with anti-Semitism. "We need to ask, where did this event
occur, and why should the Palestinian people continue to suffer for
it? I am not an anti-Semite. I am anti-Zionism," he said.
Note the precise same statement from the Nigel Brooks hate gang member
SteveL in respect to him being "anti-Zionist and NOT anti- Jewish"
below. Almost the word for word precise language as Ahmedinejad!
STEVEL-ZIONIST ARE FASCISTS AND RACISTS
STEVEL-HATE AMERICA SERIES - SECTION FOUR - POST #3.
If you have not already read my extended disclaimer, please read my
disclaimer
at http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/378d2eb3d
55bf6a8?hl=en
or at
http://tinyurl.com/mggo9k
My standard and extended disclaimer both apply to this rebuttal, and
all past, present and future rebuttals and posts. If you are going to
read any of my posts you are de facto admitting that you have read the
terms of my disclaimers.
End disclaimer.
http://tinyurl.com/37h4ugy From the SteveL NTLworld account that he
admits using. This is also the SteveL account in which Nigel Brooks
confirmed everything SteveL posted was TRUE!
(See if you agree with SteveL and Nigel Brooks in respect to the
following representations by SteveL): (Note several other newsgroups
and forums the same as the AOL SteveL selected).
*** indicates SteveL statements or quotations.
<TrailsBushB1. ...@KerryFolding.net> wrote:
2.
>> The dishonesty of your pretending to the newsgroup-reading public
>> that
>> your posts come from different people when in fact they are all you
>> talking to yourself. That dishonesty.
>Oh, you mean the same "dishonesty" as the Demmie posters here who
>post under
>multiple handles?
Prove it.
Prove it with evidence like NNTP Posting Host.
SteveL
(Doug's Note: SteveL uses re-mailers to hide his true identity, and he
uses AOL which is impossible to determine the true owner without a
court order. If he was only using a single account to post or (talk
to himself) as this other poster has also recognized - he would reveal
his true name as he would have nothing to hide). Also, there is
overwhelming proof that SteveL uses multiple accounts to post his hate
America propaganda. I will post some of it soon, just enough to show
the mathematical impossibility that SteveL@ntlworld and
Ste...@demon.Uk and Ste...@AOL.com are not ONE AND THE SAME PERSON!
If you believe in math, then you will be interested in this proof).
Doug Grant (Tm) (see my post -Truthers-Excusers-Rebuttal for more
evidence in this regard).
STEVEL-ZIONIST ARE FASCISTS AND RACISTS
If you have not already read my extended disclaimer, please read my
disclaimer
at http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/378d2eb3d
55bf6a8?hl=en
or at
http://tinyurl.com/mggo9k
My standard and extended disclaimer both apply to this rebuttal, and
all past, present and future rebuttals and posts. If you are going to
read any of my posts you are de facto admitting that you have read the
terms of my disclaimers.
End disclaimer.
STEVEL - BUSH AND NEOCONS USE 911 TO FURTHER THEIR POLITICAL AIMS
STEVEL-IF PALESTINIANS DON'T LEAVE LEFT BANK ZIONIST SAY "BOMB EM AND
KILL EM."
STEVEL - ZIONISTS ARE FASCISTS.
STEVEL - LUKID COALITION WANTS "ETHNIC CLEANSING" OF PALESTINIANS.
STEVEL - ISRAEL'S POLICIES TURNED TRADITIONALLY SECULAR PEACEFUL
PALESTINIANS TO RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE AND EXTREMISM.
STEVEL - ALL AMERICANS ARE IN DANGER DUE TO ISRAEL.
STEVEL-"Zionism has developed into a facist nationalistic racist
disgrace.
They use the horrors of the holocaust to further their political aims
in the same way that Bush and the Neocons use 911. They both hide the
fact that they were in some ways at least complicit in those horrors."
http://tinyurl.com/33taljp From the SteveL NTLworld account that he
admits using. This is also the SteveL account in which Nigel Brooks
confirmed everything SteveL posted was TRUE!
(See if you agree with SteveL and Nigel Brooks in respect to the
following representations by SteveL): (Note several other newsgroups
and forums the same as the AOL SteveL selected).
*** indicates SteveL statements or quotations.
http://tinyurl.com/37akoxe Tiny URL providing the post in which
Nigel Brooks re-confirms and certifies that his key hate gang member
SteveL "never lies when he is using his Ntlworld account."
Ariadne,I have unsnipped the post you were to scared to quote:
***1. For Ariadne, abelard and all others who support Israeli zionist
cult
occupation of Palestinian territories
i-news.html
.............................. ..............................
....................
Wednesday, June 01, 2005
***The Guardian summarizes some of his findings: ' Some settlers tell
Yavin that the Palestinians must be given a deadline to leave the
occupied territories or be forced out.
"Otherwise we should just bomb and kill them," says one woman. '
This fascist point of view is privately shared by many of the strident
Zionist organizations that are so influential with the press and the
US Congress in the United States. David Steinmann of the Jewish
Institute for National Security Affairs
(see http://www.thenation.com/doc.m html?i=20020902&s=vest) has
stridently denounced anyone who supported the Oslo peace accords.
JINSA in turn has been important in politically forming Undersecretary
of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith and Bush's nominee as UN
ambassador, John Bolton.
The Likud coalition, which contains far right elements dedicated
to further ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.
Note some important things about the Yavin story. It would not have
aired except that there was some channel going off the air that agreed
to put it on..... the aggressive settling of Palestinian land, the
displacement of Palestinians, the rendering of their lives hell with a
network of checkpoints and expropriations, contributed mightily to
the turn of traditionally secular, peaceful Palestinians to religious
violence and extremism.
And, the whole article is framed only with regard to Israel. The fact
is that Americans are put in danger by the Israeli Settlers and their
persecution of Palestinians, since their actions spread hatred for the
US throughout the Muslim world of 1.3 billion persons. The US has
never taken any practical steps to stop or roll back Israeli land
theft on a grand scale.
As The Guardian notes, the Israelis have just announced that they are
going to destroy nearly 100 Palestinian dwellings. This comes a couple
months after they announced they were going to build 3500 new
dwellings on Palestinian land. What other government in the world is
behaving this way with its neighbors?
"I have a horrible feeling that we are sinking into a police state"
George Churchill-Coleman, former head Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist
squad.
> > Oh, it is so likely that I would want
> > your antisemitic ordure. Don't you
> > have a lavatory?
Nothing anti semetic there.
Nothing anti Jewish either.
It is anti Zionist. Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are
Jews.
Zionism has developed into a facist nationalistic racist disgrace.
They use the horrors of the holocaust to further their political aims
in the same way that Bush and the Neocons use 911. They both hide the
fact that they were in some ways at least complicit in those horrors.
Stevel"
Doug's Comments: Keep in mind that Nigel Brooks proclaimed his backing
of SteveL, and further proclaimed that SteveL "never lies under his
Ntlworld account - which of course he used above. In respect to the
ridiculous and false statements from SteveL and Nigel Brooks
concurrence, I can only say the following two words:
"Strait Jacket."
Doug Grant (Tm)
STEVEL-AMERICANS MORE BRAINWASHED THAN NAZIS
http://tinyurl.com/379gsfw From the SteveL NTLworld account that he
admits using. This is also the SteveL account in which Nigel Brooks
confirmed everything SteveL posted was TRUE!
(See if you agree with SteveL and Nigel Brooks in respect to the
following representations by SteveL): (Note several other newsgroups
and forums the same as the AOL SteveL selected).
*** indicates SteveL statements or quotations.
STEVEL-AMERICANS MORE BRAINWASHED THAN NAZIS
STEVEL-911 USED AS JUSTIFICATION TO KILL IRAQI'S
>No leftie creep, 3000 dead is not "little annoyances"
SteveL said:
***Jesus Christ I really fear for my country. It can only be through
intensive and successful brainwashing that so many apparently literate
and intelligent citizens still believe, despite having it thrust in
their face time and time again - even by the POTUS himself, that IRAQ
UNDENIABLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11!
SO STOP USING WHAT HAPPENED ON 9/11 AS JUSTIFICATION FOR KILLING
IRAQI'S NOW AND FOR NOT KILLING MORE IN 1991.
FFS, not even the most zieg heil "Good German" was as mindlessly
propagandized as this kind of American.
SteveL
Doug's rebuttal - my standard disclaimer applies. Note that Nigel
Brooks has said that SteveL, while posting under the account he posted
under above, "never lies." I did not know that Nigel Brooks believed
all Americans were more brainwashed than the Nazis were? I seem to be
learning a lot about Nigel Brooks that I did not know. I *already
knew* that SteveL was a America hater - but I should have guessed
about Nigel as both Nigel and SteveL come from the UK where hate
America hype and propaganda fester.
The similarities between SteveL past posts (and you have just seen a
sampling there are hundreds more to see) and Iranian President
Ahmedinejad are very revealing. It is clear that the Nigel Brooks
hate gang member SteveL is sucking up his hate America propaganda from
the same cesspool that Ahmedinejad is swilling from.
Consider that the Irainians have been paying $1000 for each dead
American the Taliban or anyone kills, and $6000 for the destruction of
any American vehicle, and I would consider that we are at war with
Iran. And if we do not fight them now, we will certainly be required
to fight them later. I cannot fathom anyone accepted by any Veteran
that would be so culpable in spreading our enemy's propaganda on
Veteran groups.
Although I am not surprised that Nigel Brooks and several members of
his hate/con/smear gang are supporting SteveL and his hate America
propaganda, I am absolutely ashamed they wore the same uniform that I
did once in their pathetic lives (one claims he is on active duty but
I doubt that as I do not know anyone on active duty in the Regular
Army that would support someone like SteveL).
It is clear that each time in the past I challenged SteveL's hate
America propaganda the Nigel Brooks hate gang received their orders to
attack me personally with every fraud, false accusations and forgery
they could dream up - all to intimidate me from revealing the truth
about their key hate America gang member and propagandist known as
SteveL. (In fact SteveL even told me if I would stop posting
rebuttals he would stop attacking me - and it was SteveL and other
members of the Nigel Brooks hate gang that posted all those forged FBI
reports about me also to stop me from posting my rebuttals to his hate
America propaganda).
I am amazed there are so-many screaming left-wing radicals involved
with the Nigel Brooks hate gang - some I believed (apparently
incorrectly) were real Veterans, patriots, that wanted to support our
troops and oppose the radical Muslim terrorists - I clearly was wrong
about some of those gang members.
Now you know the truth about Nigel Brooks hate and smear campaign
against me. If you agree with SteveL - then the Nigel Brooks gang
has a place for you. If you disagree with SteveL and his hate gang,
then welcome to the opposition to such hate America propagandists.
End comparison propaganda examples between the Nigel Brooks hate gang
member SteveL and the Iranian President Ahmedinejad.
The Iranian Ahmedinejad goon went on to state the following outrageous
claims:
"He said that Iran is on the brink of becoming a nuclear power and
warned Israel and the U.S. against attacking its nuclear facilities.
Asked about the possibility of a U.S.-supported Israeli air strike
against Iran, the fiery Iranian leader said an attack would be
considered an act of war, and suggested the U.S. is unprepared for the
consequences. Such a war "would know no boundaries," Ahmedinejad said.
"War is not just bombs."
Ahmedinejad also said "Capitalism is a failure."
Ahmedinejad also said Osama Bin Laden is living quietly in Washington
D.C.
Doug Says: I believe war with Iran is inevitable. The only question
is when. The longer we wait the more Muslim nations Iran will covert
into its axis of evil - with the main seduction of possessing nuclear
weapons of course.
Once Iran has developed its nuclear arsenal, every Muslim nation that
joins Iran will receive its share of nuclear weapons, along with every
screaming radical Islamic fascist group out there!
If we wait for this to happen, we are nuts!
All my opinion of course. I am sure SteveL and the rest of the Nigel
Brooks hate gang will disagree.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Tankfixer
DGVREIMAN
End disclaimer.
Example: http://tinyurl.com/28pcxpm
End Ahmadinejad first report:
Doug Says:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
As an example:
SteveL
SteveL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SteveL
SteveL
10.
STEVEL - USA STUPID
SteveL said:
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
SteveL
SteveL said:
Ahmedinejad continues:
End disclaimer.
End disclaimer.
"Strait Jacket."
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.27072ce...@news.eternal-september.org...
Doug Says: I suspect someone that claims to be on active duty and
then supports someone that echoes Ahmedinejad's outrageous claims
about the USA needs to be reviewed by his CO. What unit did you say
you were assigned to again? Snipping out the clear connections
between SteveL and Ahmedinejad's statements seems to me to be very
strange for someone that really is on active duty.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Doug Grant (Tm)
Doug Grant (Tm)
>
Tankfixer
dgvr...@comcast.net says...
Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
To save the planet..
> "Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.27072ce...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > [quoted text muted]
> >
> >> nuts
> >
> >
> > Yes you are
>
> Doug Says: I suspect someone that claims to be on active duty and
> then supports someone that echoes Ahmedinejad's outrageous claims
> about the USA needs to be reviewed by his CO. What unit did you say
> you were assigned to again? Snipping out the clear connections
> between SteveL and Ahmedinejad's statements seems to me to be very
> strange for someone that really is on active duty.
Your mental insatiability is precisely why I am not going to tell you
what unit I am assigned to.
We get a BOLO about every other week about lunatic wannabe who show up
ranting at the door of our facilities.
The person who needs to be reviewed is YOU..
Do yourself and your family a favor, march down to the VA on Pill Hill
and sign your pathetic ass in for a psych eval..
It might just keep you out of the Oregonian and the Columbian..
Portland VA Medical Center
3710 SW U.S. Veterans Hospital Road
Portland, OR 97239
Phone: 503-220-8262 Or 800-949-1004
Fax: 503-273-5319
http://www2.va.gov/directory/guide/detail.asp?parm=dirs&ID=109
Jack G.
> In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDRnZ2dnUVZ5qSdn...@giganews.com>,
> dgvrei...@comcast.net says...
>
> Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
> To save the planet..
>
> >news:MPG.27072ce...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > > [quoted text muted]
>
> > >> nuts
>
> > > Yes you are
>
> > Doug Says: I suspect someone that claims to be on active duty and
> > then supports someone that echoes Ahmedinejad's outrageous claims
> > about the USA needs to be reviewed by his CO. What unit did you say
> > you were assigned to again? Snipping out the clear connections
> > between SteveL and Ahmedinejad's statements seems to me to be very
> > strange for someone that really is on active duty.
>
> Your mental insatiability is precisely why I am not going to tell you
> what unit I am assigned to.
> We get a BOLO about every other week about lunatic wannabe who show up
> ranting at the door of our facilities.
>
> The person who needs to be reviewed is YOU..
> Do yourself and your family a favor, march down to the VA on Pill Hill
> and sign your pathetic ass in for a psych eval..
> It might just keep you out of the Oregonian and the Columbian..
>
> Portland VA Medical Center
> 3710 SW U.S. Veterans Hospital Road
> Portland, OR 97239
>
> Phone: 503-220-8262 Or 800-949-1004
> Fax: 503-273-5319
>
> http://www2.va.gov/directory/guide/detail.asp?parm=dirs&ID=109
A normal person would reply with fifty words or less but Doug is
insane and his rants prove it.
DGVREIMAN
End disclaimer.
Example: http://tinyurl.com/28pcxpm
End Ahmadinejad first report:
Doug Says:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
As an example:
SteveL
SteveL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SteveL
SteveL
10.
STEVEL - USA STUPID
SteveL said:
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
SteveL
SteveL said:
Ahmedinejad continues:
End disclaimer.
End disclaimer.
"Strait Jacket."
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDR...@giganews.com>,
> dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>
> Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
> To save the planet..
Doug Says: Trying to hide the connection between the propaganda from
the Nigel Brooks key gang member SeveL and the President of Iran M.
Ahmedinejad by hiding the above post does not change the obvious fact
these two individuals are swilling from the same hate America
propaganda cesspool - as the above post clearly proves.
In respect to your desperate personal attack dodges and libel, and
your hiding your unit name, as indicated below and has been snipped
please review the following notice to cease and desist your personal
fraud attacks, and other informtion:
SMEAR REBUTTAL AND NOTICE
If you have not already read my extended disclaimer, please read my
disclaimer
at http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/378d2eb3d
55bf6a8?hl=en
or at
http://tinyurl.com/mggo9k
My standard and extended disclaimer both apply to this rebuttal, and
all past, present and future rebuttals and posts. If you are going to
read any of my posts you are de facto admitting that you have read the
terms of my disclaimers.
End disclaimer.
In respect to questions from the gang, I also long ago posted a "quid
qo pro" agreement where I would answer a question, then Nigel or other
gang members would then answer one question, and so on. Nigel Brooks
and gang are still hiding from that offer).
http://tinyurl.com/2ertyh4 Jan 28, 2009 Quid Pro Quo rules for
answering questions
on AWV. GRAND INQUISITOR RULES.
Mr. Paul Carrier:
1. Sir. I am forced to provide you with this information and notice
due to your persistent stalking and harassment USENET posts about me.
2. As we both know, the above post, title and nothing said in the
post has anything to do with you. It does not mention you by name,
nor in any manner state nor imply any disparaging comments about you
whatsoever.
2.a. Moreover, the above post from SteveL is a Google archived copy
of a post from the Nigel Brooks hate gang member SteveL who has
posted hundreds of hate America/hate our troops/hate our war on terror
and an "Excuser" for Al Qaeda in respect to the 911 attacks on USENET.
2.b. The copies of his posts are being posted by me to rebut this
anonymous Cyber Stalker Nigel Brooks hate gang member SteveL's claim
that he did not post any of these hate America posts, and that I am a
liar for saying so, and to rebut his published claim that I am a
"fascist monster."
3. Since you are using posts from the said Nigel Brooks hate gang
member SteveL, which do not pertain to you in any manner as a means
to harass and stalk me and cause me extreme emotional harm, I must
conclude that you are affiliated with the SteveL anonymous
cyberstalker, and you have conspired with him to harass and stalk me.
Otherwise why use my posts that contain complete copies of SteveL's
hate America posts that have nothing to do with you as a means to
gang stalk and harass me? This is especially true when you know the
contents of the SteveL post copy are true and accurate as the
accompanying Tiny URL clearly proves.
4. Your combined harassment and stalking in conjunction with other
members of the Nigel Brooks hate gang on this forum in respect to
posts that have nothing to do with you or them in any manner
represents clear evidence of a gang or mob stalking and harassment
campaign against me.
5. Please consider this reply to your stalking and harassment as yet
another notice to cease and desist such personal attacks, defamation
and/or false accusations immediately. I have no desire to enter into
an exchange of ideas nor concepts with you, based upon your pattern of
posting hundreds of personal attacks laced with fraud, false
accusations and libel about me, I feel that you are incapable of
honest debate.
6. I believe I know why you are so desperate and frantic to hide the
above post that the Nigel Brooks key hate gang member SteveL posted on
USENET in connection with his obvious hate America / hate our Troops /
hate our war on terror propaganda campaign.
7. I believe that you know if anyone rational reads these posts they
too will see the obvious hate campaign SteveL has waged against the
USA for many years - and that realization will of course reflect on
all members of the Nigel Brooks hate gang as they have supported,
confirmed and endorsed what SteveL has said for many years. Simply
put, we all know that if SteveL lied in the above post, then of course
that lie represents irrefutable proof that he and his hate gang have
been lying about me for years.
8. I believe that you know if anyone rational reads my copies of
SteveL posts, they also will know he is a serial liar and one that
often uses personal attacks riddled with fraud, false accusations and
obloquy against anyone that proves his fraud against the USA, our
troops and our war on terror. In fact, I am saddened that you
support such a hate America propagandist as SteveL.
9. As a consequence of the above, I also believe that you must find a
way to (1) hide the post that SteveL posted, (2) use personal attacks
riddled with defamation, libel, fraud and false accusations to
desperately and frantically attempt to smear and demonize me as I am
the one revealing what SteveL has said about the USA, our troops and
our war on terror.
10. You must understand that I am simply re-posting posts that SteveL
previously posted on USENET, and I am providing the tiny URL reference
to the entire post so that any reader can confirm nothing is out of
context nor has been altered, and all characterizations are not
fallacious.
11. Since you have removed the post in an obvious desperate attempt
to hide it, and you have not changed the subject line so as to deceive
the readers about the post, I have replaced it above and will continue
to do so each time you attempt to hide this post.
12. I do believe I understand the reasons for your wretched panic
and desperation to hide these SteveL posts and to demonize me for
posting them - but I must advise you once again that your repeated and
malicious stalking and harassment are causing me extreme emotional
harm, and I hereby demand that you cease and desist at once.
These following post references from experts on gang stalking and
harassment may help you regardless whether you understand gang or mob
stalking and harassment or not.
http://tinyurl.com/7kfaqz Experts on Smear Gangs reveal what the
Nigel Brooks con/hate and smear gang is all about.
http://tinyurl.com/bu3dwb Those that Label Others KOOKS suffer a
psychosis named EID say psychologists - and that so-called "Kook"
votes never occur outside of the smear gang.
Doug Grant (Tm) a.k.a. DGVReiman
DGVREIMAN
End disclaimer.
Example: http://tinyurl.com/28pcxpm
End Ahmadinejad first report:
Doug Says:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
As an example:
SteveL
SteveL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SteveL
SteveL
10.
STEVEL - USA STUPID
SteveL said:
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
SteveL
SteveL said:
Ahmedinejad continues:
End disclaimer.
End disclaimer.
"Strait Jacket."
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDR...@giganews.com>,
> dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>
> Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
> To save the planet..
Doug Says: Trying to hide the connection between the propaganda from
the Nigel Brooks key gang member SeveL and the President of Iran M.
Ahmedinejad by hiding the above post does not change the obvious fact
these two individuals are swilling from the same hate America
propaganda cesspool - as the above post clearly proves.
In respect to your desperate personal attack dodges and libel, and
your hiding your unit name, as indicated below and has been snipped
please review the following notice to cease and desist your personal
fraud attacks, and other informtion:
SMEAR REBUTTAL AND NOTICE
If you have not already read my extended disclaimer, please read my
disclaimer
at http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/378d2eb3d
55bf6a8?hl=en
or at
http://tinyurl.com/mggo9k
My standard and extended disclaimer both apply to this rebuttal, and
all past, present and future rebuttals and posts. If you are going to
read any of my posts you are de facto admitting that you have read the
terms of my disclaimers.
End disclaimer.
Mr. Paul Carrier:
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.27072ce...@news.eternal-september.org...
DGVREIMAN
End disclaimer.
Example: http://tinyurl.com/28pcxpm
End Ahmadinejad first report:
Doug Says:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
As an example:
SteveL
SteveL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SteveL
SteveL
10.
STEVEL - USA STUPID
SteveL said:
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
SteveL
SteveL said:
Ahmedinejad continues:
End disclaimer.
End disclaimer.
"Strait Jacket."
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDR...@giganews.com>,
> dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>
> Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
> To save the planet..
Doug Says: Trying to hide the connection between the propaganda from
the Nigel Brooks key gang member SeveL and the President of Iran M.
Ahmedinejad by hiding the above post does not change the obvious fact
these two individuals are swilling from the same hate America
propaganda cesspool - as the above post clearly proves.
In respect to your desperate personal attack dodges and libel, and
your hiding your unit name, as indicated below and has been snipped
please review the following notice to cease and desist your personal
fraud attacks, and other informtion:
SMEAR REBUTTAL AND NOTICE
If you have not already read my extended disclaimer, please read my
disclaimer
at http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/378d2eb3d
55bf6a8?hl=en
or at
http://tinyurl.com/mggo9k
My standard and extended disclaimer both apply to this rebuttal, and
all past, present and future rebuttals and posts. If you are going to
read any of my posts you are de facto admitting that you have read the
terms of my disclaimers.
End disclaimer.
In respect to questions from the gang, I also long ago posted a "quid
qo pro" agreement where I would answer a question, then Nigel or other
gang members would then answer one question, and so on. Nigel Brooks
and gang are still hiding from that offer).
http://tinyurl.com/2ertyh4 Jan 28, 2009 Quid Pro Quo rules for
answering questions
on AWV. GRAND INQUISITOR RULES.
Mr. John/Jack Granade:
"Jack G." <j.gr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e77c97d1-2df4-49d5...@f25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 24, 11:46 pm, Tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDRnZ2dnUVZ5qSdn...@giganews.com>,
> dgvrei...@comcast.net says...
>
Nigel Brooks
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
Where'smadinnerat exhibits the same kind of mental problems as Doogie.
Totally divorced from reality.
Has an ability to twist and warp facts to fit his particular sick view of
events.
Has no friends or supporters other than other sick P.O.S.'s
Perhaps they're related.
Doogie and Mahmoud - "The Jihad Brothers"
Tankfixer
b8d27e...@f25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, j.gr...@yahoo.com says...> > [quoted text muted]
> >
> > Phone: 503-220-8262 Or 800-949-1004
> > Fax: 503-273-5319
> >
> > http://www2.va.gov/directory/guide/detail.asp?parm=dirs&ID=109
>
> A normal person would reply with fifty words or less but Doug is
> insane and his rants prove it.
his 1000 line replies are proof enough he is off the reservation..
Tankfixer
dgvr...@comcast.net says...
> Mr. Paul Carrier:
>
> 1. Sir. I am forced to provide you with this information and notice
> due to your persistent stalking and harassment USENET posts about me.
Mr Doug Reiman.. er Doug Grant... er.. whoever the hell you are..
Sir, I am forced to provide you with the following information due to
your persistant rants on USENET.
Portland VA Medical Center
3710 SW U.S. Veterans Hospital Road
Portland, OR 97239
Phone: 503-220-8262 Or 800-949-1004
Fax: 503-273-5319
http://www2.va.gov/directory/guide/detail.asp?parm=dirs&ID=109
>
> 2. As we both know, the above post, title and nothing said in the
> post has anything to do with you. It does not mention you by name,
> nor in any manner state nor imply any disparaging comments about you
> whatsoever.
>
Did you know there is no law saying I have to refrain from responding to
your posts..
That if I wish to comment on them I may do so ?
That I may post the following freely at any time I wish ?
FOAD...
Tankfixer
dgvr...@comcast.net says...
> Doug Grant (Tm) a.k.a. DGVReiman
>
Not a damn thing relevant to life on this planet.
Please call the numbers below..
DGVREIMAN
End disclaimer.
Example: http://tinyurl.com/28pcxpm
End Ahmadinejad first report:
Doug Says:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
As an example:
SteveL
SteveL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SteveL
SteveL
10.
STEVEL - USA STUPID
SteveL said:
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
SteveL
SteveL said:
Ahmedinejad continues:
End disclaimer.
End disclaimer.
"Strait Jacket."
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDR...@giganews.com>,
> dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>
> Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
> To save the planet..
Doug Says: Trying to hide the connection between the propaganda from
the Nigel Brooks key gang member SeveL and the President of Iran M.
Ahmedinejad by hiding the above post does not change the obvious fact
these two individuals are swilling from the same hate America
propaganda cesspool - as the above post clearly proves.
In respect to your desperate personal attack dodges and libel, and
your hiding your unit name, as indicated below and has been snipped
please review the following notice to cease and desist your personal
fraud attacks, and other informtion:
SMEAR REBUTTAL AND NOTICE
If you have not already read my extended disclaimer, please read my
disclaimer
at http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/378d2eb3d
55bf6a8?hl=en
or at
http://tinyurl.com/mggo9k
My standard and extended disclaimer both apply to this rebuttal, and
all past, present and future rebuttals and posts. If you are going to
read any of my posts you are de facto admitting that you have read the
terms of my disclaimers.
End disclaimer.
In respect to questions from the gang, I also long ago posted a "quid
qo pro" agreement where I would answer a question, then Nigel or other
gang members would then answer one question, and so on. Nigel Brooks
and gang are still hiding from that offer).
http://tinyurl.com/2ertyh4 Jan 28, 2009 Quid Pro Quo rules for
answering questions
on AWV. GRAND INQUISITOR RULES.
Mr. Paul Carrier:
1. Sir. I am forced to provide you with this information and notice
due to your persistent stalking and harassment USENET posts about me.
2. As we both know, the above post, title and nothing said in the
post has anything to do with you. It does not mention you by name,
nor in any manner state nor imply any disparaging comments about you
whatsoever.
2.a. Moreover, the above post from SteveL is a Google archived copy
of a post from the Nigel Brooks hate gang member SteveL who has
posted hundreds of hate America/hate our troops/hate our war on terror
and an "Excuser" for Al Qaeda in respect to the 911 attacks on USENET.
2.b. The copies of his posts are being posted by me to rebut this
anonymous Cyber Stalker Nigel Brooks hate gang member SteveL's claim
that he did not post any of these hate America posts, and that I am a
liar for saying so, and to rebut his published claim that I am a
"fascist monster."
3. Since you are using posts from the said Nigel Brooks hate gang
member SteveL, which do not pertain to you in any manner as a means
to harass and stalk me and cause me extreme emotional harm, I must
conclude that you are affiliated with the SteveL anonymous
cyberstalker, and you have conspired with him to harass and stalk me.
Otherwise why use my posts that contain complete copies of SteveL's
hate America posts that have nothing to do with you as a means to
gang stalk and harass me? This is especially true when you know the
contents of the SteveL post copy are true and accurate as the
accompanying Tiny URL clearly proves.
4. Your combined harassment and stalking in conjunction with other
Doug Grant (Tm) a.k.a. DGVReiman
"Nigel Brooks" <nbr...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:8g6m93...@mid.individual.net...
>
>
> "Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDR...@giganews.com>,
>> dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>>
>> Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
>> To save the planet..
>>
>>> "Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:MPG.27072ce...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> > [quoted text muted]
>>> >
>>> >> nuts
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Yes you are
>>>
>>> Doug Says: I suspect someone that claims to be on active duty and
>>> then supports someone that echoes Ahmedinejad's outrageous claims
>>> about the USA needs to be reviewed by his CO. What unit did you
>>> say
>>> you were assigned to again? Snipping out the clear connections
>>> between SteveL and Ahmedinejad's statements seems to me to be
>>> very
>>> strange for someone that really is on active duty.
>>
>>
>> > Where'smadinnerat exhibits the same kind of mental problems as
>> > Doogie.
>
> Totally divorced from reality.
>
> Has an ability to twist and warp facts to fit his particular sick
> view of events.
>
> Has no friends or supporters other than other sick P.O.S.'s
>
> Perhaps they're related.
>
> Doogie and Mahmoud - "The Jihad Brothers"
Doug Says: The connection between Iran's President Ahmedinejad's hate
America propaganda and the Nigel Brooks hate gang member's hate
America propaganda is clear and unmistakable. (Note that in many
cases Nigel Brooks has confirmed what SteveL has said above if SteveL
posted under his Ntlworld account - so where is the proof of such
outrageous hate America propaganda Nigel?)
Read the post above that the Nigel Brooks hate gang is desperate to
hide.
You can easily see why Nigel Brooks and gang are trying to hide
SteveL's posts.
And please, show me where I "twisted or warped" any facts?
I posted the Tiny URL so all can read SteveL's hate America posts
above and compare them with the quotations from the Iranian goon
Ahmedinejad. Obviously, no facts have been twisted nor warped - that
is just the hate gang's way of trying to hide the facts - and since
they keep snipping out SteveL's posts and hiding his obvious
propaganda connections with Mr. Ahmedinejad, then you be the judge as
to who is really "twisting and warping" facts.
Gang caught again. Whew! Are they stupid or what?
Doug Grant (Tm)
Tankfixer
dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>
> "Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDR...@giganews.com>,
> > dgvr...@comcast.net says...
> >
> > Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
> > To save the planet..
>
> Doug Says: Trying to hide the connection between the propaganda from
> the Nigel Brooks key gang member SeveL and the President of Iran M.
> Ahmedinejad by hiding the above post does not change the obvious fact
> these two individuals are swilling from the same hate America
> propaganda cesspool - as the above post clearly proves.
>
> In respect to your desperate personal attack dodges and libel, and
> your hiding your unit name, as indicated below and has been snipped
> please review the following notice to cease and desist your personal
> fraud attacks, and other informtion:
>
I believe I have told you a dozen times before Doug,
If you intend to reply to me then stop adding crap from other peoples
posts..
I'm not hiding the name of my unit, I am flat refusing to tell you.
You have a problem with that then go cry at the VA or something.
Maybe they wil give you a purple lolipop
Jack G.
> In article <JPudnahbZ9wg9wPRnZ2dnUVZ5qKdn...@giganews.com>,
> dgvrei...@comcast.net says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tankfixer" <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > > In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDRnZ2dnUVZ5qSdn...@giganews.com>,
> > > dgvrei...@comcast.net says...
>
> > > Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
> > > To save the planet..
>
> > Doug Says: Trying to hide the connection between the propaganda from
> > the Nigel Brooks key gang member SeveL and the President of Iran M.
> > Ahmedinejad by hiding the above post does not change the obvious fact
> > these two individuals are swilling from the same hate America
> > propaganda cesspool - as the above post clearly proves.
>
> > In respect to your desperate personal attack dodges and libel, and
> > your hiding your unit name, as indicated below and has been snipped
> > please review the following notice to cease and desist your personal
> > fraud attacks, and other informtion:
>
> I believe I have told you a dozen times before Doug,
> If you intend to reply to me then stop adding crap from other peoples
> posts..
>
> I'm not hiding the name of my unit, I am flat refusing to tell you.
> You have a problem with that then go cry at the VA or something.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Doug needs a land mine shoved up his butt and then we could turn him
into a jihadburger.
DGVREIMAN
End disclaimer.
Example: http://tinyurl.com/28pcxpm
End Ahmadinejad first report:
Doug Says:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
As an example:
SteveL
SteveL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SteveL
SteveL
10.
STEVEL - USA STUPID
SteveL said:
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
SteveL
SteveL said:
Ahmedinejad continues:
End disclaimer.
End disclaimer.
"Strait Jacket."
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDR...@giganews.com>,
> dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>
> Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
> To save the planet..
Doug Says: Trying to hide the connection between the propaganda from
the Nigel Brooks key gang member SeveL and the President of Iran M.
Ahmedinejad by hiding the above post does not change the obvious fact
these two individuals are swilling from the same hate America
propaganda cesspool - as the above post clearly proves.
In respect to your desperate personal attack dodges and libel, and
your hiding your unit name, as indicated below and has been snipped
please review the following notice to cease and desist your personal
fraud attacks, and other informtion:
SMEAR REBUTTAL AND NOTICE
If you have not already read my extended disclaimer, please read my
disclaimer
at http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/378d2eb3d
55bf6a8?hl=en
or at
http://tinyurl.com/mggo9k
My standard and extended disclaimer both apply to this rebuttal, and
all past, present and future rebuttals and posts. If you are going to
read any of my posts you are de facto admitting that you have read the
terms of my disclaimers.
End disclaimer.
In respect to questions from the gang, I also long ago posted a "quid
qo pro" agreement where I would answer a question, then Nigel or other
gang members would then answer one question, and so on. Nigel Brooks
and gang are still hiding from that offer).
http://tinyurl.com/2ertyh4 Jan 28, 2009 Quid Pro Quo rules for
answering questions
on AWV. GRAND INQUISITOR RULES.
Mr. John/Jack Granade:
"Jack G." <j.gr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e77c97d1-2df4-49d5...@f25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 24, 11:46 pm, Tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDRnZ2dnUVZ5qSdn...@giganews.com>,
> dgvrei...@comcast.net says...
>
..
>
> > "Tankfixer" <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.27072ce...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > > [quoted text muted]
>
> > >> nuts
>
> > > Yes you are
>
> > Doug Says: I suspect someone that claims to be on active duty and
> > then supports someone that echoes Ahmedinejad's outrageous claims
> > about the USA needs to be reviewed by his CO. What unit did you
> > say
> > you were assigned to again? Snipping out the clear connections
> > between SteveL and Ahmedinejad's statements seems to me to be very
> > strange for someone that really is on active duty.
>
> >"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.27081e6...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <JPudnahbZ9wg9wPR...@giganews.com>,
> dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>>
>> "Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> > In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDR...@giganews.com>,
>> > dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>> >
>> > Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
>> > To save the planet..
>>
>> Doug Says: Trying to hide the connection between the propaganda
>> from
>> the Nigel Brooks key gang member SeveL and the President of Iran M.
>> Ahmedinejad by hiding the above post does not change the obvious
>> fact
>> these two individuals are swilling from the same hate America
>> propaganda cesspool - as the above post clearly proves.
>>
>> In respect to your desperate personal attack dodges and libel, and
>> your hiding your unit name, as indicated below and has been snipped
>> please review the following notice to cease and desist your
>> personal
>> fraud attacks, and other informtion:
>>
>
>Doug Grant (Tm)
DGVREIMAN
End disclaimer.
Example: http://tinyurl.com/28pcxpm
End Ahmadinejad first report:
Doug Says:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
As an example:
SteveL
SteveL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SteveL
SteveL
10.
STEVEL - USA STUPID
SteveL said:
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
SteveL
SteveL said:
Ahmedinejad continues:
End disclaimer.
End disclaimer.
"Strait Jacket."
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDR...@giganews.com>,
> dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>
> Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
> To save the planet..
Doug Says: Trying to hide the connection between the propaganda from
the Nigel Brooks key gang member SeveL and the President of Iran M.
Ahmedinejad by hiding the above post does not change the obvious fact
these two individuals are swilling from the same hate America
propaganda cesspool - as the above post clearly proves.
In respect to your desperate personal attack dodges and libel, and
your hiding your unit name, as indicated below and has been snipped
please review the following notice to cease and desist your personal
fraud attacks, and other informtion:
SMEAR REBUTTAL AND NOTICE
End disclaimer.
Mr. Paul Carrier:
> "Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDR...@giganews.com>,
>> dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>>
>> Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
>> To save the planet..
>>
>>> "Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Jack G." <j.gr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d70e5d26-c64b-4552...@s17g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 25, 3:58 pm, Tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <JPudnahbZ9wg9wPRnZ2dnUVZ5qKdn...@giganews.com>,
> dgvrei...@comcast.net says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Tankfixer" <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > > In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDRnZ2dnUVZ5qSdn...@giganews.com>,
> > > dgvrei...@comcast.net says...
>
> > > Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
> > > To save the planet..
>
> > Doug Says: Trying to hide the connection between the propaganda
> > from
> > the Nigel Brooks key gang member SeveL and the President of Iran
> > M.
> > Ahmedinejad by hiding the above post does not change the obvious
> > fact
> > these two individuals are swilling from the same hate America
> > propaganda cesspool - as the above post clearly proves.
>
> > In respect to your desperate personal attack dodges and libel, and
> > your hiding your unit name, as indicated below and has been
> > snipped
> > please review the following notice to cease and desist your
> > personal
> > fraud attacks, and other informtion:
>
>>
> - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Doug needs a land mine shoved up his butt and then we could turn him
into a jihadburger.
SMEAR REBUTTAL AND NOTICE
If you have not already read my extended disclaimer, please read my
disclaimer
at http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/378d2eb3d
55bf6a8?hl=en
or at
http://tinyurl.com/mggo9k
My standard and extended disclaimer both apply to this rebuttal, and
all past, present and future rebuttals and posts. If you are going to
read any of my posts you are de facto admitting that you have read the
terms of my disclaimers.
End disclaimer.
In respect to questions from the gang, I also long ago posted a "quid
qo pro" agreement where I would answer a question, then Nigel or other
gang members would then answer one question, and so on. Nigel Brooks
and gang are still hiding from that offer).
http://tinyurl.com/2ertyh4 Jan 28, 2009 Quid Pro Quo rules for
answering questions
on AWV. GRAND INQUISITOR RULES.
Mr. Jack Granade:
DGVREIMAN
End disclaimer.
Example: http://tinyurl.com/28pcxpm
End Ahmadinejad first report:
Doug Says:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
As an example:
INCLUDING ? MILLION CHILDREN
SteveL
SteveL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SteveL
SteveL
10.
STEVEL - USA STUPID
SteveL said:
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
SteveL
SteveL said:
Ahmedinejad continues:
End disclaimer.
End disclaimer.
"Strait Jacket."
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDR...@giganews.com>,
> dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>
> Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
> To save the planet..
Doug Says: Trying to hide the connection between the propaganda from
the Nigel Brooks key gang member SeveL and the President of Iran M.
Ahmedinejad by hiding the above post does not change the obvious fact
these two individuals are swilling from the same hate America
propaganda cesspool - as the above post clearly proves.
In respect to your desperate personal attack dodges and libel, and
your hiding your unit name, as indicated below and has been snipped
please review the following notice to cease and desist your personal
fraud attacks, and other informtion:
SMEAR REBUTTAL AND NOTICE
If you have not already read my extended disclaimer, please read my
disclaimer
at http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/378d2eb3d
55bf6a8?hl=en
or at
http://tinyurl.com/mggo9k
My standard and extended disclaimer both apply to this rebuttal, and
all past, present and future rebuttals and posts. If you are going to
read any of my posts you are de facto admitting that you have read the
terms of my disclaimers.
End disclaimer.
Mr. Paul Carrier:
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2707c7c...@news.eternal-september.org...
Doug's Rebuttal: I find it amazing that someone that claims to be on
active duty in the US Army would hide the connections between one of
his gang members to the Iranian goon Ahmedinejad hate America
propaganda!
See below for more information:
SMEAR REBUTTAL AND NOTICE
If you have not already read my extended disclaimer, please read my
disclaimer
at http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/378d2eb3d
55bf6a8?hl=en
or at
http://tinyurl.com/mggo9k
My standard and extended disclaimer both apply to this rebuttal, and
all past, present and future rebuttals and posts. If you are going to
read any of my posts you are de facto admitting that you have read the
terms of my disclaimers.
End disclaimer.
In respect to questions from the gang, I also long ago posted a "quid
qo pro" agreement where I would answer a question, then Nigel or other
gang members would then answer one question, and so on. Nigel Brooks
and gang are still hiding from that offer).
http://tinyurl.com/2ertyh4 Jan 28, 2009 Quid Pro Quo rules for
answering questions
on AWV. GRAND INQUISITOR RULES.
Mr. Paul Carrier:
1. Sir. I am forced to provide you with this information and notice
due to your persistent stalking and harassment USENET posts about me.
2. As we both know, the above post, title and nothing said in the
post has anything to do with you. It does not mention you by name,
nor in any manner state nor imply any disparaging comments about you
whatsoever.
2.a. Moreover, the above post from SteveL is a Google archived copy
of a post from the Nigel Brooks hate gang member SteveL who has
posted hundreds of hate America/hate our troops/hate our war on terror
and an "Excuser" for Al Qaeda in respect to the 911 attacks on USENET.
2.b. The copies of his posts are being posted by me to rebut this
anonymous Cyber Stalker Nigel Brooks hate gang member SteveL's claim
that he did not post any of these hate America posts, and that I am a
liar for saying so, and to rebut his published claim that I am a
"fascist monster."
3. Since you are using posts from the said Nigel Brooks hate gang
member SteveL, which do not pertain to you in any manner as a means
to harass and stalk me and cause me extreme emotional harm, I must
conclude that you are affiliated with the SteveL anonymous
cyberstalker, and you have conspired with him to harass and stalk me.
Otherwise why use my posts that contain complete copies of SteveL's
hate America posts that have nothing to do with you as a means to
gang stalk and harass me? This is especially true when you know the
contents of the SteveL post copy are true and accurate as the
accompanying Tiny URL clearly proves.
4. Your combined harassment and stalking in conjunction with other
DGVREIMAN
End disclaimer.
Example: http://tinyurl.com/28pcxpm
End Ahmadinejad first report:
Doug Says:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
As an example:
SteveL
SteveL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SteveL
SteveL
10.
STEVEL - USA STUPID
SteveL said:
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
SteveL
SteveL said:
Ahmedinejad continues:
End disclaimer.
End disclaimer.
"Strait Jacket."
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
SMEAR REBUTTAL AND NOTICE
End disclaimer.
Mr. Paul Carrier:
1. Sir. I am forced to provide you with this information and notice
due to your persistent stalking and harassment USENET posts about me.
2. As we both know, the above post, title and nothing said in the
post has anything to do with you. It does not mention you by name,
nor in any manner state nor imply any disparaging comments about you
whatsoever.
2.a. Moreover, the above post from SteveL is a Google archived copy
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2707c89...@news.eternal-september.org...
Doug Says: There is a law against harassment and stalking. See
below:
SMEAR REBUTTAL AND NOTICE
If you have not already read my extended disclaimer, please read my
disclaimer
at http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/378d2eb3d
55bf6a8?hl=en
or at
http://tinyurl.com/mggo9k
My standard and extended disclaimer both apply to this rebuttal, and
all past, present and future rebuttals and posts. If you are going to
read any of my posts you are de facto admitting that you have read the
terms of my disclaimers.
End disclaimer.
In respect to questions from the gang, I also long ago posted a "quid
qo pro" agreement where I would answer a question, then Nigel or other
gang members would then answer one question, and so on. Nigel Brooks
and gang are still hiding from that offer).
http://tinyurl.com/2ertyh4 Jan 28, 2009 Quid Pro Quo rules for
answering questions
on AWV. GRAND INQUISITOR RULES.
Mr. Paul Carrier:
1. Sir. I am forced to provide you with this information and notice
due to your persistent stalking and harassment USENET posts about me.
2. As we both know, the above post, title and nothing said in the
post has anything to do with you. It does not mention you by name,
nor in any manner state nor imply any disparaging comments about you
whatsoever.
2.a. Moreover, the above post from SteveL is a Google archived copy
DGVREIMAN
End disclaimer.
Example: http://tinyurl.com/28pcxpm
End Ahmadinejad first report:
Doug Says:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
As an example:
SteveL
SteveL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SteveL
SteveL
10.
STEVEL - USA STUPID
SteveL said:
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
SteveL
SteveL said:
Ahmedinejad continues:
End disclaimer.
End disclaimer.
"Strait Jacket."
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
news:MPG.2707c8f...@news.eternal-september.org...
SMEAR REBUTTAL AND NOTICE
End disclaimer.
Mr. Paul Carrier:
DGVREIMAN
End disclaimer.
Example: http://tinyurl.com/28pcxpm
End Ahmadinejad first report:
Doug Says:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
As an example:
SteveL
SteveL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SteveL
SteveL
10.
STEVEL - USA STUPID
SteveL said:
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
SteveL
SteveL said:
Ahmedinejad continues:
End disclaimer.
End disclaimer.
"Strait Jacket."
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.27081e6...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <JPudnahbZ9wg9wPR...@giganews.com>,
> dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>>
>> "Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> > In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDR...@giganews.com>,
>> > dgvr...@comcast.net says...
>> >
>> > Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
>> > To save the planet..
>>
>> Doug Says: Trying to hide the connection between the propaganda
>> from
>> the Nigel Brooks key gang member SeveL and the President of Iran M.
>> Ahmedinejad by hiding the above post does not change the obvious
>> fact
>> these two individuals are swilling from the same hate America
>> propaganda cesspool - as the above post clearly proves.
>>
>> In respect to your desperate personal attack dodges and libel, and
>> your hiding your unit name, as indicated below and has been snipped
>> please review the following notice to cease and desist your
>> personal
>> fraud attacks, and other informtion:
>>
>
> I believe I have told you a dozen times before Doug,
> If you intend to reply to me then stop adding crap from other
> peoples
> posts..
Mr. Carrier: You need to stop trying to hide the post by changing the
topic and leaving the subject line intact. That is an obvious
deception and an attempt at censorship. I will replace the post each
time. Please see below for more information in this regard:
Tankfixer
dgvr...@comcast.net says...
> "Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2707c7c...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > [quoted text muted]
> >>
> >> A normal person would reply with fifty words or less but Doug is
> >> insane and his rants prove it.
> >
> > his 1000 line replies are proof enough he is off the reservation..
>
>
> Doug's Rebuttal: I find it amazing that someone that claims to be on
> active duty in the US Army would hide the connections between one of
> his gang members to the Iranian goon Ahmedinejad hate America
> propaganda!
Hide what connection ?
There is none except in your twisted thinking..
take that leap Doug (no not off the Glen Jackson bridge) and have your
"lawyer" file that lawsuit..
Tankfixer
dgvr...@comcast.net says...
> "Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.27073aa...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > In article <YvOdndPTiItkDwDR...@giganews.com>,
> > dgvr...@comcast.net says...
> >
> > Copies amounts of unrelated BS discarded..
> > To save the planet..
>
> Doug Says: Trying to hide the connection between the propaganda from
> the Nigel Brooks key gang member SeveL and the President of Iran M.
> Ahmedinejad by hiding the above post does not change the obvious fact
> these two individuals are swilling from the same hate America
> propaganda cesspool - as the above post clearly proves.
You couldn't write a clearly worded post if your life depended on it.
>
> In respect to your desperate personal attack dodges and libel, and
> your hiding your unit name, as indicated below and has been snipped
> please review the following notice to cease and desist your personal
> fraud attacks, and other informtion:
>
In respect to your excessive size of the posts to text newsgroups please
review the following...
1st offense..
"Giganews accounts are for individual use only. Any non-individual use,
or any use that is indistinguishable from non-individual use, is
prohibited. For example, the following uses are prohibited:
Sharing a login between people"
Oh my.. Hasn't Mr Reiman admitted to allowing others to use and post to
his account ??
2nd offense....
"Spam
Although there is no single, precise definition of spam, and there are
differing opinions on what constitutes spam, we will consider the
following when reviewing complaints:
Repetitive Posting
Posting the same thing repeatedly in one or more newsgroups will usually
be considered spam, regardless of the content."
Oh my... Mr Reiman appears to violate this one in nearly every post he
makes....
Found at: http://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html
Tankfixer
dgvr...@comcast.net says...
> Mr. Paul Carrier:
>
> 1. Sir. I am forced to provide you with this information and notice
> due to your persistent stalking and harassment USENET posts about me.
>
No one forces you to stay insane.
You choose to.
Tankfixer
dgvr...@comcast.net says...
1300 lines !
> "Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.27081e6...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > [quoted text muted]
> >
> > I believe I have told you a dozen times before Doug,
> > If you intend to reply to me then stop adding crap from other
> > peoples
> > posts..
>
> Mr. Carrier: You need to stop trying to hide the post by changing the
> topic and leaving the subject line intact. That is an obvious
> deception and an attempt at censorship. I will replace the post each
> time. Please see below for more information in this regard:
Please read and adhere to the following portions of your TOS/AUP.
In respect to your excessive size of the posts to text newsgroups please
review the following...
1st offense..
"Giganews accounts are for individual use only. Any non-individual use,
or any use that is indistinguishable from non-individual use, is
prohibited. For example, the following uses are prohibited:
Sharing a login between people"
You have done this, by your own admission...
2nd offense....
"Spam
Although there is no single, precise definition of spam, and there are
differing opinions on what constitutes spam, we will consider the
following when reviewing complaints:
Repetitive Posting
Posting the same thing repeatedly in one or more newsgroups will usually
be considered spam, regardless of the content."
continuiously adding in previously posted material can very well be
considered Spam...
DGVREIMAN
Doug Says: Here is what the Nigel Brooks hate gang member SteveL said
and what the Iranian goon Ahmedinejad said - the connection is
obvious - they both stated similar hate America propganda. Any child
can see the connection:
End disclaimer.
Example: http://tinyurl.com/28pcxpm
End Ahmadinejad first report:
Doug Says:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
Ahmedinejad report continues:
As an example:
SteveL
SteveL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SteveL
SteveL
10.
STEVEL - USA STUPID
SteveL said:
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
SteveL
SteveL said:
Ahmedinejad continues:
End disclaimer.
End disclaimer.
"Strait Jacket."
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
SMEAR REBUTTAL AND NOTICE
End disclaimer.
Mr. Paul Carrier:
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2707c7c...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <e77c97d1-2df4-49d5-b757-
> b8d27e...@f25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, j.gr...@yahoo.com
> says...
>> On Sep 24, 11:46 pm, Tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > [quoted text muted]
>> >
>> > Phone: 503-220-8262 Or 800-949-1004
>> > Fax: 503-273-5319
>> >
>> > http://www2.va.gov/directory/guide/detail.asp?parm=dirs&ID=109
>>
>> A normal person would reply with fifty words or less but Doug is
>> insane and his rants prove it.
>
> his 1000 line replies are proof enough he is off the reservation..
Doug's Rebuttal: I find it amazing that someone that claims to be on
active duty in the US Army would hide the connections between one of
his gang members to the Iranian goon Ahmedinejad hate America
propaganda!
See below for more information:
DGVREIMAN
Doug's Rebuttal: Mr. Carrier - I only repeat posts when you try to
hide them, or you persist with your harassment and stalking. If You
have been told before to cease and desist your harassment and
stalking. Cease and desist at once.
Doug Grant (Tm)
DGVREIMAN
Doug's Rebuttal: Mr. Carrier, you have been told to cease and desist
your harassment and stalking dozens of times - yet you ignore my
notice. Once again, cease and desist your harassment and stalking
immediately.
Doug Grant (Tm)
DGVREIMAN
Doug's Rebuttal: Mr. Carrier, when you hide the post by changing the
topic and leaving the subject line intact I will replace the post, but
when you do change the subject line I have no reason to replace the
post you are desperately trying to hide.
In respect to your false accusations representing your typical
harassment and stalking, I have notified you dozens of times to cease
and desist such practices immediately. I hereby again demand that you
cease and desist your harassment and stalking campaign you have been
waging against me for years.
Moreover, since you said you were on active duty, I must ask if you
are using Government time and equipment to facilitate in any manner
your harassment and stalking campaign against me you have been
perpetrating for years?
Please advise.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Tankfixer
> news:MPG.270914a...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > [quoted text muted]
> > Oh my... Mr Reiman appears to violate this one in nearly every post
> > he
> > makes....
> >
> > Found at: http://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html
>
>
> Doug's Rebuttal: Mr. Carrier - I only repeat posts when you try to
> hide them, or you persist with your harassment and stalking. If You
> have been told before to cease and desist your harassment and
> stalking. Cease and desist at once.
You repeat your posts over and over because IMHO you are insane.
>
>
> Doug Grant (Tm)
>
>
>
Tankfixer
dgvr...@comcast.net says...
Replying to your posts to me is not harassment..
Nor is it stalking.
Threatening to contact a persons employer is stalking.. and harassment..
So in response, byte me.
Tankfixer
dgvr...@comcast.net says...
I'm not desperate..
You appear to be..
>
> In respect to your false accusations representing your typical
> harassment and stalking, I have notified you dozens of times to cease
> and desist such practices immediately. I hereby again demand that you
> cease and desist your harassment and stalking campaign you have been
> waging against me for years.
blah
blah
blah
>
> Moreover, since you said you were on active duty, I must ask if you
> are using Government time and equipment to facilitate in any manner
> your harassment and stalking campaign against me you have been
> perpetrating for years?
No Doug, I use my own equipment on my own time.