Sound Familiar
*Michael*
almost instant action anywhere in the world in the next century, army
chief of staff General Eric Shinseki recently stated.
A prototype of the mid-sized rapid response force is to be established
at Fort Lewis, in Washington state, Shinseki said.
"With the right technological solutions, we intend to transform the
army, all components, into a standard design ... that allows us to put
a combat-capable brigade anywhere in the world in 96 hours once we
have received execute liftoff; a division on the ground in 120 hours
and five divisions in 30 days," Shinseki said.
The US Army has to become "a force that is deployable, agile,
versatile, lethal, survivable, sustainable and dominant at every point
along the spectrum of operations," added Shinseki.
Dave Thompson
hammer. It's called the United States Marine Corps. It's one thing for the
Army to have a Rapid Deployment Force. It's another thing entirely to
lighten up the Army because the Air Force and Navy don't have the lift
capacity. The Army should not try to compete with the Marine Corps.
Different mission.
Give me Infantry. Give me heavy Armor. Give me heavy Artillery. Don't
depend on tactical air to do everything. We still need to close with the
enemy and grab him by the throat and kick him in the ass. (Didn't someone
already say that? Oh, yeah - Patton).
Dave
Craig Thompson <sdot...@olywa.net> wrote in message
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> It sounds like the 173rd before Vietnam (or any brigade of the
Eighty-Deuce
> today)
>
> Craig
>
> *Michael* wrote in <381ed8bd...@nntp.netcom.ca>:
Dave Thompson
those lines is insane. The 82nd and XVIII Airborne Corps are fine for what
they do, but heavy divisions better be on the way or they are toast.
Dave
Also Airborne!
Craig Thompson <sdot...@olywa.net> wrote in message
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> No real argument but how to you get the Marines quickly into places like
> Bolivia or Khakastan if you don't have a secured air strip? Not every
> place is close to water or within helicopter range of a carrier task
> force (and a carrier moves slower than a C-141b).
>
> Airborne!
>
> Craig
>
> Dave Thompson wrote in <UY1N3.24$Dx2....@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com>:
pat...@memes.com
wrote:
We can fly anything the army can fly. I think the Osprey we are now
deploying is one answer to that, but another is our primary mission.
To secure the situation until such time as our Army, Navy and Air
Forces can arrive. As far as the secure airstrip. We have been
securing airstrips for the Army since the first airplane took a ride
with an Army pilot.
Craig Thompson
responsibilities.
There's some incident in Georgia (former USSR a place called Abkhia or something
like that) even as I type.
You could drop as many paratroops as you want there within a day (a battalion
from Italy could be there in 3 hours, a brigade from Bragg in 16 hours or less).
How and when would the USMC get there?
Marines can ride airplanes but how do they get on the ground if there's no place
for the plane to land?
And I agree with my distant Thompson cousin, the whole Army shouldn't take that
route.
Craig
In article <3804c2db...@news.memes.com>, pat...@memes.com says...
Craig Thompson
Not in service today, maybe one day.
Probably fairly short operational range and slow I would guess so it would
require frequent refueling.
I thought Clinton had cut the funding?
In article <7u2jgv$1l...@edrn.newsguy.com>, Craig says...
pat...@memes.com
wrote:
Wrong on several counts, they are deploying now. They have an
operation range of 2400 miles with in flight refuel capability
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pat...@memes.com
wrote:
>This thread is probably going nowhere. Different units have different roles and
>responsibilities.
>
>There's some incident in Georgia (former USSR a place called Abkhia or something
>like that) even as I type.
>
>You could drop as many paratroops as you want there within a day (a battalion
>from Italy could be there in 3 hours, a brigade from Bragg in 16 hours or less).
>
>How and when would the USMC get there?
We have been doing it for over 200 years, over 165 times since the
cold war ended. That is exactly what a Marine Expeditionary Unit is
and does. Read the last sentence!
Marine Expeditionary Units
(Special Operations Capable)
West Coast
(Camp Pendleton, Calif.)
11th MEU
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>Marines can ride airplanes but how do they get on the ground if there's no place
>for the plane to land?
Besides our Navy and Air Wing, which we take with us wherever we go,
we are Special Ops Capable, that usually means jump qualified among
many other things. I notice they didn't put Army in Siquerny Weavers
Spaceship in Alien. Those were Marines taking on that big ugly.
Service rivalry aside, by Act of Congress, we have a very specific
role to play in the world, it works and always will because we train
for any contingency to do just that. Land, Sea and Air!
You may get a paratrooper into some remote place, but I guarantee you,
unless the area has been either carpet bombed, chemically treated or
your whole geography secure, there is nothing on this planet that
carries with it the awesome firepower of a Marine Expeditionary Force
from Minute One when the word is given to " Land The Expeditionary
Force"
pat...@memes.com
wrote:
A group of Army Rangers come across a Marine in a thicket, the Marine
yells
he'll kick all their asses so the Ranger Platoon sends his 2 baddest
guys in
and after a commotion the Marines spit's out the 2 Rangers. Next the
platoon
leader sends in 20 guys, same thing, then 40 guys same thing, then the
whole
battalion comes along and one Ranger comes running out and screams,
"it's a
trick there are 2 of them".
>Pretty slow beastie. Still better than trying to climb the Georgian
>mountains with landing craft I suppose.
>
>But why use a hundreds of Ospreys to insert a battalion of Marines when you
>could drop a platoon of the 82nd out of a single C-141 and have the same
>effect?
>
>Not cost-effective
>
>Craig
>
> wrote in <3808e935...@news.memes.com>:
Charles G. White
deploying now. They have an
> operation range of 2400 miles with in flight refuel capability
> Advertisement
> Bell V-22 Osprey
> ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA, USA
> Though not yet in full-scale production . . . .
NOTE: I realize that the quoted ad was written some time ago. The V-22
Osprey is now in full-scale production, right here in Amarillo, Texas.
pat...@memes.com
wrote:
ROFLMAO! But then the serious side of this is in fact more than an
issue between the Thespians and the Spartans.
Take a look at this page
http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/AVE?openview&count=3000
Those lads are armed, and if you notice, that includes parachutes and
climbing gear.
>The Marines are pretty good I'll grant. In fact they remind me of the
>Thespians at Thermopylae (who Leonides granted the honor of first contact
>with Xerxes troops). Pretty good, but second to the Spartans (who would
>have worn Silver Wings in this day and age).
>
>I wouldn't be at all surprised if you disagree BTW.
>
>Craig
William Langston
all along that we already have that. What the fuck is wrong with these guys
in the Pentagon, trying to 'reinvent the wheel'?
SF, Bill Langston.
Dave Thompson <bdtho...@home.com> wrote in message
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William Langston
complaint was that we have the force structure worked out pretty good, why
make radical changes?
SF, Bill Langston.
Craig Thompson <sdot...@olywa.net> wrote in message
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> No real argument but how to you get the Marines quickly into places like
> Bolivia or Khakastan if you don't have a secured air strip? Not every
> place is close to water or within helicopter range of a carrier task
> force (and a carrier moves slower than a C-141b).
>
> Airborne!
>
> Craig
>
> Dave Thompson wrote in <UY1N3.24$Dx2....@news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com>:
>
William Langston
original post, what in the hell are they wanting to change things when we
got it covered with everything you both cited?
SF, Bill Langston.
Craig Thompson <sdot...@olywa.net> wrote in message
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> Nice site.
>
> $6,000 bucks for the parachute, $6,000 for the M60E MG but $15,000 for
> the climber's kit? I guess the definition of expendability has changed a
> bit and we should both drink a toast to the Alpine troops -- Marine and
> Army variants.
>
> BTW concerning the Osprey:
>
> "Primary function: Amphibious assault transport of troops, equipment and
> supplies from assault ships and land bases."
>
> So concerning the trip to Abhiakastan . . . an intercontinental air
> assault with in-flight refueling would be a secondary function I suppose
> <g>
>
> wrote in <38051be4....@news.memes.com>:
>
> >On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:36:37 GMT, sdot...@olywa.net (Craig Thompson)
> >wrote:
> >
pat...@memes.com
wrote:
>Great tit for tat Craig and Pat, I'm lovin it but let's not lose site of the
>original post, what in the hell are they wanting to change things when we
>got it covered with everything you both cited?
>
>SF, Bill Langston.
>
I think thunder thighs has convinced Billary that Marine Officers are
too good at serving canapi's to go to war. I still would be in prison
today if she would have tried that on me.
I would have stuffed the whole tray up her ass with no apologies.
>Craig Thompson <sdot...@olywa.net> wrote in message
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>> Nice site.
>>
>> $6,000 bucks for the parachute, $6,000 for the M60E MG but $15,000 for
>> the climber's kit? I guess the definition of expendability has changed a
>> bit and we should both drink a toast to the Alpine troops -- Marine and
>> Army variants.
>>
>> BTW concerning the Osprey:
>>
>> "Primary function: Amphibious assault transport of troops, equipment and
>> supplies from assault ships and land bases."
>>
>> So concerning the trip to Abhiakastan . . . an intercontinental air
>> assault with in-flight refueling would be a secondary function I suppose
>> <g>
>>
>> wrote in <38051be4....@news.memes.com>:
>>
>> >On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:36:37 GMT, sdot...@olywa.net (Craig Thompson)
>> >wrote:
>> >
Jim Wise
Have you seen the movie "Pentagon Wars" yet?
Semper Fi,
Jim W
William Langston wrote:
>
> Dave, my thinking exactly. I was reading he description and saying to myself
> all along that we already have that. What the fuck is wrong with these guys
> in the Pentagon, trying to 'reinvent the wheel'?
>
> SF, Bill Langston.
>
> Dave Thompson <bdtho...@home.com> wrote in message
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> > It also sounds like a hammer looking for a nail. We already have such a
> > hammer. It's called the United States Marine Corps. It's one thing for
> the
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pat...@memes.com
wrote:
The Army just went up several notches in honor by my reckoning. I
remember being genuinely hurt that anyone stayed in the service after
that incident. A mass protest that would really have made a
statement.
From the outside you can't understand it
From the inside I can't explain it
SEMPER FI
>remove_write_for_email wrote in <3805488d....@news.memes.com>:
>
>>I would have stuffed the whole tray up her ass with no apologies.
>>
>And the Army would have cheered you on! Some things all branches do
>agree upon I reckon!
>
>Craig
William Langston
What I do is browse at Wal-Mart and the movies that are big hits go for
$10.00 or so a year or two later. I scarf those up.
SF, Bill Langston.
Jim Wise <wis...@gte.net> wrote in message news:3805C9...@gte.net...
Don Murphy
then again he said quite alot:-))
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Jim Wise
office smash, but it's about a wheel getting reinvented, and
supposedly based a true account. It's funny and then it's not so
funny.
Kelsey Kramer does a good job.
Semper Fi,
Jim