Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW)
Ray Ramos
About IVAW
http://www.ivaw.org
Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) was founded by Iraq war veterans in
July 2004 at the annual convention of Veterans for Peace (VFP) in Boston
to give a voice to the large number of active duty service people and
veterans who are against this war, but are under various pressures to
remain silent.
From its inception, IVAW has called for:
* Immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces in Iraq;
* Reparations for the destruction and corporate pillaging of Iraq so
that Iraqi people can control their own lives and future; and
* Full benefits, adequate healthcare (including mental health), and
other supports for returning servicemen and women.
Today, IVAW members are in 48 states, Washington, D.C., Canada, and on
numerous bases overseas, including Iraq. IVAW has chapters around the
country and in Canada. IVAW members educate the public about the
realities of the Iraq war by speaking in communities and to the media
about their experiences. Members also dialogue with youth in classrooms
about the realities of military service. IVAW supports all those
resisting the war, including Conscientious Objectors and others facing
military prosecution for their refusal to fight. IVAW advocates for full
funding for the Veterans Administration, and full quality health
treatment (including mental health) and benefits for veterans when they
return from duty.
To learn more about IVAW's strategy to end the war and bring the troops
home now, you can download our strategy pamphlet in PDF format here.
http://www.ivaw.org/publicdocuments/strategypamphlet.pdf
Colin Campbell
wrote:
>
>About IVAW
> http://www.ivaw.org
>
>Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) was founded by Iraq war veterans in
>July 2004 at the annual convention of Veterans for Peace (VFP) in Boston
>to give a voice to the large number of active duty service people and
>veterans who are against this war, but are under various pressures to
>remain silent.
A group of people who falsely claim to speak for those of us who have
served in Iraq.
We are not remaining 'silent' because of pressure - we truly support
what we are doing.
Sad that people like yourself have so little respect for those who
serve that you refuse to listen any of us except the tiny percentage
who agree with you.
--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.
Duke Of Earl
"Colin Campbell" <activa...@gmail.com (remove underscore)> wrote in
message news:t73hm3t52ka3juj5k...@4ax.com...
Colin yep, they are pitting veterans against veterans and as a disabled vet
I am not toi happy.
To me the people who want peace the most are the military who serve
The Shadow
> About IVAW
> To learn more about IVAW's strategy
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AC7Yk8eMh8E&feature=related
"The Shadow" knows...
La N
"Duke Of Earl" <sting...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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The irony is that I see a lot of you veterans fighting against each other on
Usenet.
- nilita
Lt Gen Al E. Gator
"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Duke Of Earl" <sting...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> vet I am not toi happy.
>> To me the people who want peace the most are the military who serve
>>
>
> The irony is that I see a lot of you veterans fighting against each other
> on Usenet.
>
hillbilly
fuckups
Mac
<das...@gmail.com> wrote:
*******************************
What was interesting was to hear that the Jessie MacBeth person spent
an entire 44-days in the military and still managed to be Special
Forces and go through Ranger School and then be in Afganistan and Iraq
and engage in all those atrocities...
Jeez.
And he only got FIVE MONTHS jail time for trying to scam the VA and
claiming those awards?
---Mac, the Medic
Hertz Donut
"Lt Gen Al E. Gator" <A...@CrocsBiteaBillyToday.com> wrote in message
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Then there is you...
Little Genitals Alice E. Gaywhore.
In your world:
1. There are 52 states in the U.S.
2. Al Gore won an election.
3. The National Guard is not part of the Military
4. You can fly a fighter jet.
All that, and you have never left the trailer park in Indiana that you were
born in.
Honu
a425couple
> >>>About IVAW
> >>> http://www.ivaw.org
> >>>Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) was founded by Iraq war veterans
in
> >>>July 2004 at the annual convention of Veterans for Peace (VFP) in
Boston
> >>>to give a voice to the large number of active duty service people and
> >>>veterans who are against this war,
> >> served in Iraq.
> >> We are not remaining 'silent' because of pressure - we truly support
> >> what we are doing.
> >> Sad that people like yourself have so little respect for those who
> >> serve that you refuse to listen any of us except the tiny percentage
> >> who agree with you.
> >> No victory without suffering.
> >> No freedom without sacrifice.
> > Colin yep, they are pitting veterans against veterans and as a disabled
> > vet I am not toi happy.
> > To me the people who want peace the most are the military who serve
>
> The irony is that I see a lot of you veterans fighting against each other
on
> Usenet. - nilita
Ironic, yes. More so, it just makes me sad the way it's done.
As citizens in a democratic republic,
we all can and should express our own views.
And obviously, these are somewhat shaped by the
variety of our own experiences and personalities.
It then is very understandable that we will have differences of opinion.
But to me, it is very sad, that discussion of these differences
very quickly turns into bitter attacks on the person.
So I regularly get sad about the lack of civility and respect.
I wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Ray Ramos
Why we're against the war
Q: Why are veterans, active duty, and National Guard men and women opposed to the war in Iraq?
A: Here are 10 reasons we oppose this war:
1. The Iraq war is based on lies and deception.
The Bush Administration planned for an attack against Iraq before September 11th, 2001. They used the false pretense of an imminent nuclear, chemical and biological weapons threat to deceive Congress into rationalizing this unnecessary conflict. They hide our casualties of war by banning the filming of our fallen's caskets when they arrive home, and when they refuse to allow the media into Walter Reed Hospital and other Veterans Administration facilities which are overflowing with maimed and traumatized veterans.
For further reading: www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/index.html
La N
"a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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And all the best to you too, my dear friend. It's good to know you.
- nilita
Dan
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:06:16 -0800, Ray Ramos <i2p6...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>> About IVAW
>> http://www.ivaw.org
>>
>> Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) was founded by Iraq war veterans in
>> July 2004 at the annual convention of Veterans for Peace (VFP) in Boston
>> to give a voice to the large number of active duty service people and
>> veterans who are against this war, but are under various pressures to
>> remain silent.
>
> A group of people who falsely claim to speak for those of us who have
> served in Iraq.
Do you have evidence to support this assertion?
> We are not remaining 'silent' because of pressure - we truly support
> what we are doing.
Who is "we?"
> Sad that people like yourself have so little respect for those who
> serve that you refuse to listen any of us except the tiny percentage
> who agree with you.
Again, do you have any evidence to support this assertion?
Dan
Dan
Who is this "they" of which you speak?
> To me the people who want peace the most are the military who serve
Opinion noted.
Dan
Duke Of Earl
"Lt Gen Al E. Gator" <A...@CrocsBiteaBillyToday.com> wrote in message
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>
Gator you know you being a coward and hiding behind the news is sad.
I guess your long line of sissy mary cowards in your family has been passed
on to you. I also bet you walk up to any vet andsay what you spew your ass
would be grass.
>
>
La N
"Matt Osborn" <a@b.c> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:38:50 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Colin yep, they are pitting veterans against veterans and as a disabled
>>> vet I am not toi happy.
>>> To me the people who want peace the most are the military who serve
>>>
>>
>>The irony is that I see a lot of you veterans fighting against each other
>>on
>>Usenet.
>
>
I dunno if there's anything esthetically pleasing to the eyes of grown men
who supposedly fought in wars acting the way they do on Usenet ... but if
you say so ..%).
Actually, "beauty" is what what sees and hears in an Andrea Bocelli
performance ... but that's just *moi* ...<g>
- nilita
Duke Of Earl
I am also a veteran an disabled. When we took the oath
we did it knowing full well we could be called to serve
no mater what.nd your group allthough I admire tthem for being vets unlike
ones who have not I have to disagree with your group.
Your group is pitting veterans against veterans and that is sad.
YOu do not want to mention the democrats who also had the same intel and
that leads me to beleive that your greoup maybe partisan to the democrats.
But look at the diservices your geoup is doing for the guys and woman who
are there wanting to do their jobs.
Then look at the terrorists who I feel are getting the support and want to
keep fighting.
I respect you but respectfully disagree with you.
Dave
US Army MP
1964-1975
Lt Gen Al E. Gator
hey gomer, why is it that you losing,failing, loud mouth hillbillies always
know everything
but fuck up everything you come in contact with ?
what news am I hiding behind gomer, the news of losing,failing, and
regheaded ass whippings for 5 years ?
the news of one fuckup after another for the last 7 years ?
don't make any bets goober, you're bound to lose, it's a hillbilly thang
Lt Gen Al E. Gator
>
> "Matt Osborn" <a@b.c> wrote in message
> news:nj6jm3504va56ilq4...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:38:50 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Colin yep, they are pitting veterans against veterans and as a disabled
>>>> vet I am not toi happy.
>>>> To me the people who want peace the most are the military who serve
>>>>
>>>
>>>The irony is that I see a lot of you veterans fighting against each other
>>>on
>>>Usenet.
>>
>> You mean the beauty of it don't you?
>>
>
> I dunno if there's anything esthetically pleasing to the eyes of grown men
> who supposedly fought in wars acting the way they do on Usenet ... but if
> you say so ..%).
who started this ruckus ?
and did they expect the rest of us to listen to their lies and bullshit
politely ?
they can go fuck themselves, the low life, feeble minded, backstabbing,
conservative
liars and non spellers, and they can keep their heads up the bush runts ass
till they die,
hopefully soon
Hertz Donut
"Lt Gen Al E. Gator" <A...@CrocsBiteaBillyToday.com> wrote in message
>
> "Duke Of Earl" <sting...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Lt Gen Al E. Gator" <A...@CrocsBiteaBillyToday.com> wrote in message
>> news:RU3aj.33603$Pv2....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>>>
>>> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:_%2aj.33731$5l3.498@edtnps82...
>>>>
>>>> "Duke Of Earl" <sting...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:13mhbvr...@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Colin yep, they are pitting veterans against veterans and as a
>>>>> disabled vet I am not toi happy.
>>>>> To me the people who want peace the most are the military who serve
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The irony is that I see a lot of you veterans fighting against each
>>>> other on Usenet.
>>>>
>>> they aren't veterans, they're lying, veteran impersonating conservative
>>> hillbilly
>>> fuckups
>>
>> Gator you know you being a coward and hiding behind the news is sad.
>> I guess your long line of sissy mary cowards in your family has been
>> passed on to you. I also bet you walk up to any vet andsay what you spew
>> your ass would be grass.
>
> hey gomer, why is it that you losing,failing, loud mouth hillbillies
> always know everything
> but fuck up everything you come in contact with ?
No one mentioned your family...why bring them into it?
>
> what news am I hiding behind gomer, the news of losing,failing, and
> regheaded ass whippings for 5 years ?
Yep...all the lies you have spewed:
1. Al Gore won the election.
2. There are 52 states in the U.S.
3. The National Guard is not part of the military.
4. George W. Bush was not a pilot.
5. You fy figter jets, despite being 14 years old and not in the military.
>
> the news of one fuckup after another for the last 7 years ?
Why bring yup your old posts? No one read them anyway!
>
> don't make any bets goober, you're bound to lose, it's a hillbilly thang
You are the queen of the hillbillies...
Honu
Hertz Donut
"Lt Gen Al E. Gator" <A...@CrocsBiteaBillyToday.com> wrote in message
>
> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:36iaj.27719$UZ4.9178@edtnps89...
>>
>> "Matt Osborn" <a@b.c> wrote in message
>> news:nj6jm3504va56ilq4...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:38:50 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Colin yep, they are pitting veterans against veterans and as a
>>>>> disabled
>>>>> vet I am not toi happy.
>>>>> To me the people who want peace the most are the military who serve
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The irony is that I see a lot of you veterans fighting against each
>>>>other on
>>>>Usenet.
>>>
>>> You mean the beauty of it don't you?
>>>
>>
>> I dunno if there's anything esthetically pleasing to the eyes of grown
>> men who supposedly fought in wars acting the way they do on Usenet ...
>> but if you say so ..%).
>
>
> who started this ruckus ?
Go back to sleep...
>
> and did they expect the rest of us to listen to their lies and bullshit
> politely ?
>
No one listens to your lies....
> they can go fuck themselves, the low life, feeble minded, backstabbing,
> conservative
> liars and non spellers, and they can keep their heads up the bush runts
> ass till they die,
> hopefully soon
Why...too much business in the men's room stall? Need a break? Your jaw
getting sore?
Honu
i2p6 west
> Colin Campbell wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:06:16 -0800, Ray Ramos <i2p6...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> About IVAW
>>> http://www.ivaw.org
>>>
>>> Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) was founded by Iraq war veterans in
>>> July 2004 at the annual convention of Veterans for Peace (VFP) in Boston
>>> to give a voice to the large number of active duty service people and
>>> veterans who are against this war, but are under various pressures to
>>> remain silent.
>>
>>
>> A group of people who falsely claim to speak for those of us who have
>> served in Iraq.
Campbell is a lying sack of shit. The IVAW is *exactly* what they say it is on their website.
;-)
i2p6 west
> No way Ray.
> I am also a veteran an disabled. When we took the oath
> we did it knowing full well we could be called to serve
> no mater what.
Son, the oath is not open-ended-anything-goes.
Even a dumb shit like you can come up with scenarios where *you* would
not fight, no matter how "legal".
Today, there are 1 million dead *innocent* people, who would still be alive
if not for the war the U.S. started.
and that number continues to rise...
i2p6 west
and btw, requiring new *employees* to take an oath is bogus...when you promise
job-seekers to give them paychecks and bonus checks, housing and food, college
tuition, free training, and lifetime medical care, and the vast majority
expect to never see any combat...so to get the benefits, yeah, they will
take most any "oath". That is de facto dishonest. Every citizen knows
he must defend the country when under *legitimate* attack...no oath is required.
Our U.S. troops are mercenaries, hired guns, nothing else...many are
in-training future employees of Blackwater.
;-)
Ray Ramos
>> About IVAW
>> http://www.ivaw.org
>
>
> Why we're against the war
>
> Q: Why are veterans, active duty, and National Guard men and women
> opposed to the war in Iraq?
>
> A: Here are 10 reasons we oppose this war:
>
> 1. The Iraq war is based on lies and deception.
> The Bush Administration planned for an attack against Iraq before
> September 11th, 2001. They used the false pretense of an imminent
> nuclear, chemical and biological weapons threat to deceive Congress into
> rationalizing this unnecessary conflict. They hide our casualties of war
> by banning the filming of our fallen's caskets when they arrive home,
> and when they refuse to allow the media into Walter Reed Hospital and
> other Veterans Administration facilities which are overflowing with
> maimed and traumatized veterans.
> For further reading: www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/index.html
2. The Iraq war violates international law.
The United States assaulted and occupied Iraq without the consent of
the UN Security Council. In doing so they violated the same body of laws
they accused Iraq of breaching.
For further reading:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/imtconst.htm
http://www.westpointgradsagainstthewar.org/
;-)
Duke Of Earl
"i2p6 west" <i2p6...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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this Christmas yu choke
> ;-)
Duke Of Earl
against the war?
st Off not all veterans are against it.
2nd You guys shoulkd let us know why you are even against affganistan.
Lastly You do a diservice who are on the frontline now.
Think for once
Mac
*************************************
Your Fantasy is NOT Reality.
Your making an supported statement does not make such true.
And you haven't substantiated that U.S. troops are "yours"...
---Mac, the Medic
redc1c4
>
> Dan wrote:
>
> > Colin Campbell wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:06:16 -0800, Ray Ramos <i2p6...@nospam.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> About IVAW
> >>> http://www.ivaw.org
> >>>
> >>> Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) was founded by Iraq war veterans in
> >>> July 2004 at the annual convention of Veterans for Peace (VFP) in Boston
> >>> to give a voice to the large number of active duty service people and
> >>> veterans who are against this war, but are under various pressures to
> >>> remain silent.
> >>
> >>
> >> A group of people who falsely claim to speak for those of us who have
> >> served in Iraq.
>
> Campbell is a lying sack of shit. The IVAW is *exactly* what they say it is on their website.
the IVAW is a collection of fakes, fools, frauds & useful idiots......
redc1c4,
(that explains why you identify with them. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."
Army Officer's Guide
redc1c4
which war is that?
redc1c4,
(undoubtedly the answer will be humorous, but wrong. %-)
redc1c4
and you are a delusional nut j*b, who hasn't a clue.
redc1c4,
pointing out the obvious, to the oblivious. %-)
redc1c4
except, of course, your contention is wrong......
redc1c4,
but that's never stopped your kind before. %-)
Carl Carlos
>>> About IVAW
>>> http://www.ivaw.org
>>
>>
>> Why we're against the war
>>
>> Q: Why are veterans, active duty, and National Guard men and women
>> opposed to the war in Iraq?
>>
>> A: Here are 10 reasons we oppose this war:
>>
>> 1. The Iraq war is based on lies and deception.
>> The Bush Administration planned for an attack against Iraq
>> before September 11th, 2001. They used the false pretense of an
>> imminent nuclear, chemical and biological weapons threat to deceive
>> Congress into rationalizing this unnecessary conflict. They hide our
>> casualties of war by banning the filming of our fallen's caskets when
>> they arrive home, and when they refuse to allow the media into Walter
>> Reed Hospital and other Veterans Administration facilities which are
>> overflowing with maimed and traumatized veterans.
>> For further reading:
>> www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/index.html
>
> 2. The Iraq war violates international law.
> The United States assaulted and occupied Iraq without the consent of
> the UN Security Council. In doing so they violated the same body of laws
> they accused Iraq of breaching.
> For further reading:
> http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/imtconst.htm
> http://www.westpointgradsagainstthewar.org/
3. Corporate profiteering is driving the war in Iraq.
From privately contracted soldiers and linguists to no-bid
reconstruction contracts and multinational oil negotiations, those
who benefit the most in this conflict are those who suffer the least.
The United States has chosen a path that directly contradicts President
Eisenhower's farewell warning regarding the military industrial complex.
As long as those in power are not held accountable, they will continue...
For further reading:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0714-01.htm
http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/
tankfixer
@earthlink.net says...
He hasn't the nads to actually spew any of his crap at a soldier to his
face..
Dan Danoso
4. Overwhelming civilian casualties are a daily occurrence in Iraq.
Despite attempts in training and technological sophistication,
large-scale civilian death is both a direct and indirect result of
United States aggression in Iraq. Even the most conservative estimates
of Iraqi civilian deaths number over 100,000. Currently over 100 civilians
die every day in Baghdad alone.For further reading:
http://www.nomorevictims.org/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1338749,00.html
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70A1EF73C5A0C758DDDA10894DE404482
Jeffrey Turner
> "Duke Of Earl" <sting...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>"Colin Campbell" <activa...@gmail.com (remove underscore)> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:06:16 -0800, Ray Ramos <i2p6...@nospam.com>
>>>>July 2004 at the annual convention of Veterans for Peace (VFP) in Boston
>>>>to give a voice to the large number of active duty service people and
>>>>veterans who are against this war, but are under various pressures to
>>>>remain silent.
>>>
>>>served in Iraq.
>>>
>>>what we are doing.
>>>
>>>serve that you refuse to listen any of us except the tiny percentage
>>>who agree with you.
>>>
>>>No victory without suffering.
>>>No freedom without sacrifice.
There is no propaganda without dupes.
>>Colin yep, they are pitting veterans against veterans and as a disabled
>>vet I am not toi happy.
>>To me the people who want peace the most are the military who serve
>
> The irony is that I see a lot of you veterans fighting against each other on
> Usenet.
If only they would fight the Iraqis the same way, instead of imposing
Bush's will on them by force of arms.
--Jeff
--
Ignorance, allied with power, is the
most ferocious enemy justice can have.
-James Baldwin
Paul Setti
5. Soldiers have the right to refuse illegal war.
All in service to this country swear an oath to protect and defend
the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign
and domestic. However, they are prosecuted if they object to serve in a
war they see as illegal under our Constitution. As such, our brothers and
sisters are paying the price for political incompetence, forced to fight
in a war instead of having been sufficiently trained to carry out the task
of nation-building.
For further reading:
http://thankyoult.live.radicaldesigns.org/content/view/172/
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qa6ZHYcG_EM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1dAXQeH7y9g&mode=related&search=
http://girights.objector.org
redc1c4
>
> >>>>> About IVAW
(mercy snipage occurs)
i left in the parts that were accurate, important and desirable.
redc1c4,
i trimmed out the all BS and SMN too..... %-)
Jeffrey Turner
> Paul Setti wrote:
>
>>>>>>>About IVAW
>
>
> (mercy snipage occurs)
>
> i left in the parts that were accurate, important and desirable.
>
> redc1c4,
> i trimmed out the all BS and SMN too..... %-)
You've been fed BS all your life. You can't even recognize truth.
Mac
<jtu...@localnet.com> wrote:
>redc1c4 wrote:
>
>> Paul Setti wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>About IVAW
>>
>>
>> (mercy snipage occurs)
>>
>> i left in the parts that were accurate, important and desirable.
>>
>> redc1c4,
>> i trimmed out the all BS and SMN too..... %-)
*************************************
>You've been fed BS all your life. You can't even recognize truth.
>--Jeff
========== ========
Oh, you mean the kind of stuff Jessie MacBeth spewed forth??
---Mac, the Medic
redc1c4
>
> redc1c4 wrote:
>
> > Paul Setti wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>About IVAW
> >
> >
> > (mercy snipage occurs)
> >
> > i left in the parts that were accurate, important and desirable.
> >
> > redc1c4,
> > i trimmed out the all BS and SMN too..... %-)
>
> You've been fed BS all your life. You can't even recognize truth.
sure i can: that's why i can see there isn't any to be found in the IVAW.
redc1c4,
pointing out the obvious, to the oblivious. %-)
Frank Fahran
6. Service members are facing serious health consequences due to our Government's negligence.
Many of our troops have already been deployed to Iraq for two, three,
and even four tours of duty averaging eleven months each. Combat stress,
exhaustion, and bearing witness to the horrors of war contribute to Post
Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), a serious set of symptoms that can lead
to depression, illness, violent behavior, and even suicide. Additionally,
depleted uranium, Lariam, insufficient body armor and infectious diseases are
just a few of the health risks which accompany an immorally planned and
incompetently executed war. Finally, upon a soldier's release, the Veterans
Administration is far too under-funded to fully deal with the magnitude of veterans in need.
For further reading:
http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/
http://www.vets4vets.us/
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redc1c4
>
> Join the Treason in Recruiting campaign!
(mercy snipage occurs)
redc1c4,
edited for honesty & brevity. %-)
redc1c4
(seditious bullshit snipped)
redc1c4,
sucks to be you, don't it? %-)
Mac
<red...@drunkenbastards.org.ies> wrote:
>i2pfreely morphed his handle & wrote:
>
>(seditious bullshit snipped)
>
>redc1c4,
>sucks to be you, don't it? %-)
*********************************
Well, he has to do that to pretend he has so many people supporting
his point of view...
Something akin to the "imaginary friends" he probably had as a
child.
---Mac, the Medic
Mac
<i2p6...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>Join the Truth in Recruiting campaign!
SNIP
**********************
So says the resident troll, desperately posting as yet someone else.
---Mac, the Medic
Mac
wrote:
>From: Carl Carlos <i2p6...@nospam.com>
*******************************************
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, figures.
---Mac, the Medic
Mac
wrote:
>From: Dan Danoso <i2p6...@nospam.com>
=========== ============
Not too honest, are you?
---Mac, the Medic
Mac
wrote:
>From: Paul Setti <i2p6...@nospam.com>
********************************************
Yet antoher desperate attempt to enhance the critter's little mob of
like-thinking trolls....
---Mac, the Medic
Gordon Smith
7. The war in Iraq is tearing our families apart.
The use of stop-loss on active duty troops and the unnecessarily
lengthy and repeat active tours by Guard and Reserve troops place enough
strain on our military families, even without being forced to sacrifice
their loved ones for this ongoing political experiment in the Middle East.
For further reading: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_loss_092704,00.html
Gordon Smith
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Ray Ramos wrote:
>
> About IVAW
> http://www.ivaw.org
>
redvet
wrote:
Aloha Gordon Smith,
In the summer of '03 a couple of the coordinators for ivaw came
through Honolulu for our 'festival of resistance' All of the regular
posters of this newsgroup (alt.war.vietnam) thought that nothing would
come of the new organization and made comments about its failure. That
wasn't what 'Vietnam Veterans Against the War/AI' thought at the time;
we are very pleased the war pigs got it wrong and so fast. No doubt
the troglodytes will also believe in March that the new WSI will not
have an impact on the government's efforts to fight its war of
occupation. They will be wrong again.
http://girights.objector.org/
http://www.objector.org/http://www.mfso.org/
redvet
Facilitator
Vietnam Veterans Against the War/Anti-Imperialist
http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/
Hawaii Chapter
Mac
wrote:
>From: Gordon Smith <i2p6...@nospam.com>
Responds to his own posting as R. Ramos...
Trying so desperately to pretend that he has viable supporters.
---Mac, the Medic
Charles Jordon
8. The Iraq war is robbing us of funding sorely needed here at home.
$5.8 billion per month is spent on a war which could have aided the
victims of Hurricane Katrina, gone to impoverished schools, the construction
of hospitals and health care systems, tax cut initiatives, and a host of
domestic programs that have all been gutted in the wake of the war in Iraq.
For further reading:
http://www.costofwar.com
redc1c4
>
(bullshit snipped)
redc1c4,
here to help %-)
Gale Sayeers
http://www.ivaw.org/wintersoldier
Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan
This spring, Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) is revealing the
reality of the U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. In what will be
history's largest gathering of U.S. veterans who served in Iraq and
Afghanistan, as well as Iraqi and Afghan survivors, eyewitnesses will
share their experiences in a public investigation called Winter Soldier:
Iraq and Afghanistan.
Winter Soldiers, according to founding father Thomas Paine, are those
who stand up for the soul of their country, even in its darkest hours.
With this spirit in mind, IVAW members are standing up to make their
experiences available to all who are concerned about the direction of
our country.
Unfortunately, this is not the first time America has needed its Winter
Soldiers, in 1971, over one hundred members of Vietnam Veterans Against
the War gathered in Detroit to share their stories with America.
Atrocities like the My Lai massacre had ignited popular opposition to
the war, but political and military leaders insisted that such crimes
were isolated exceptions. The members of VVAW knew differently.
Over three days in January, these soldiers testified on the systematic
brutality they had seen visited upon the people of Vietnam.
Over thirty years later, we find ourselves faced with a new war. But the
lies are the same. Once again, American troops are sinking into an
increasingly bloody occupation. Once again, war crimes in places like
Haditha, Fallujah, and Abu Ghraib have turned the public against the
war. Once again, politicians and generals are blaming "a few bad apples"
instead of examining the military policies that have destroyed Iraq and
Afghanistan.
Once again, our country needs Winter Soldiers.
In March of 2008, Iraq Veterans Against the War will gather in our
nation's capital to break the silence and hold our leaders accountable
for these wars. We hope you'll join us, because ours is a story that
every American needs to hear.
Click here to sign a statement of support for Winter Soldier: Iraq &
Afghanistan
Help us spread the word: forward this page to a friend.
Ray Ramos wrote:
>
> About IVAW
> http://www.ivaw.org
>
redc1c4
>
> http://www.ivaw.org/wintersoldier
>
> Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan
>
> This spring, Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) is revealing the
> reality of the U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
now that victory is at hand, we are going to announce publicly that we are the
left wing tools and assholes that we've seemed to be all along, and beg the
forgiveness of the American people, in the hopes that no one will demand the
penalty for treason that we so richly deserve.
redc1c4,
doing his bit for truth in advertising. %-)
I
> Gale Sayeers wrote:
>
>>http://www.ivaw.org/wintersoldier
>>
>>Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan
>>
>>This spring, Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) is revealing the
>>reality of the U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
>
>
> now that victory is at hand,
Ha Ha Ha!!!
whatafuckinmoron
;-)
ghao...@nospam.com.net
>Charles Jordon wrote:
>>
>(bullshit snipped)
No it happens to be the truth, you right wing kook dumbass. We are
spending $90,000 per second in iraq -=- a war made on lies that wasn't
needed, can't be won -- and only aids the enemy.
Here is what you snipped because you are afraid:
" 8. The Iraq war is robbing us of funding sorely needed here at home.
$5.8 billion per month is spent on a war which could have aided the
victims of Hurricane Katrina, gone to impoverished schools, the
construction of hospitals and health care systems, tax cut initiatives,
and a host of domestic programs that have all been gutted in the wake of
the war in Iraq.
For further reading:
http://www.costofwar.com"
Colin Campbell
wrote:
>
>http://www.ivaw.org/wintersoldier
>
>Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan
>
>
>This spring, Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) is revealing the
>reality of the U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. In what will be
>history's largest gathering of U.S. veterans who served in Iraq and
>Afghanistan, as well as Iraqi and Afghan survivors, eyewitnesses will
>share their experiences in a public investigation called Winter Soldier:
>Iraq and Afghanistan.
So a handful of disgruntled people who are upset that the Army sent
them to war when all they wanted was college money are going to have a
whine-fest.
Those losers do not speak for 90% of the troops.
--
Colin Campbell
If you had been paying attention the news media is desperately trying
to divert attention away from Iraq now that it is obvious we are
winning.
i3q7 west
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 02:04:46 -0800, I <drw...@unreal.edu> wrote:
>
>
>>redc1c4 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Gale Sayeers wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.ivaw.org/wintersoldier
>>>>
>>>>Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan
>>>>
>>>>This spring, Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) is revealing the
>>>>reality of the U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
>>>
>>>
>>>now that victory is at hand,
>>
>>Ha Ha Ha!!!
>>
>>whatafuckinmoron
>
>
> If you had been paying attention the news media is desperately trying
> to divert attention away from Iraq now that it is obvious we are
> winning.
Son, you will eat crow again...like "cakewalk" and "Mission Accomplished"...
ya fuckin moron
tankfixer
9...@gmail.com says...
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 01:49:50 -0800, Gale Sayeers <drw...@unreal.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >http://www.ivaw.org/wintersoldier
> >
> >Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan
> >
> >
> >This spring, Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) is revealing the
> >reality of the U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. In what will be
> >history's largest gathering of U.S. veterans who served in Iraq and
> >Afghanistan, as well as Iraqi and Afghan survivors, eyewitnesses will
> >share their experiences in a public investigation called Winter Soldier:
> >Iraq and Afghanistan.
>
> So a handful of disgruntled people who are upset that the Army sent
> them to war when all they wanted was college money are going to have a
> whine-fest.
>
> Those losers do not speak for 90% of the troops.
>
Are they going to testify under oath ?
And will thier service records be vetted and made public ?
Or are we going to see fakes and liars seaking the spotlight as we did
in the 70's ?
Mac
>No it happens to be the truth, you right wing kook dumbass.
SNIP
************************
Ah, but it was posted by <i2p6west> who has been caught in probably
as many lies, distortions as you, yourself --- and with him trying to
post under yet another NYM to disguise the fact that he is now
reduced to post and then posting a reply/response to himself, over and
over...
---Mac, the Medic
Mac
wrote:
>http://www.ivaw.org/wintersoldier
>
>Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan
****************************************
Little <i2p6west> with yet another NYM so he can post and then post a
response to himself to pretend he has some cachet...
---Mac,t he Medic
Mac
>redc1c4 wrote:
>
>> Gale Sayeers <i2p6west> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.ivaw.org/wintersoldier
>>>
>>>Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan
>>>
>>>This spring, Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) is revealing the
>>>reality of the U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
************************************************
Redec:
>> now that victory is at hand,
================
>Ha Ha Ha!!!
>whatafuckinmoron
>;-)
************
Ahhhh, you're far too harsh upon yourself.
---Mac, the Medic
redvet
wrote:
Aloha Mac,
You think IVAW is getting some traction with middle amerika? You seem
concerned. - redvet
Charles Darwin
9. The war dehumanizes Iraqis and denies them their right to self-determination.
Iraqis are subjected to humiliating and violent checkpoints, searches and
home raids on a daily basis. The current Iraqi government is in place solely
because of the U.S. military occupation. The Iraqi government doesn’t have the
popular support of the Iraqi people, nor does it have power or authority. For
many Iraqis the current government is seen as a puppet regime for the U.S.
occupation. It is undemocratic and in violation of Iraq’s own right to self-governance.
For further reading:
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
Bob Bowie
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Ray Ramos wrote:
>
> About IVAW
> http://www.ivaw.org
>
i3q7 west, phd
> # Members agree to the following three statements:
>
> * Immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces in Iraq
> * An end to the pillaging and destruction of Iraq so that ordinary
> Iraqi people can control their own lives and their country, and
> * Full benefits, adequate healthcare (including mental health), and
> other support for returning GIs.
Yep!
Hal
underscore)> wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 02:04:46 -0800, I <drw...@unreal.edu> wrote:
> >redc1c4 wrote:
>
> >> Gale Sayeers wrote:
>
> >>>http://www.ivaw.org/wintersoldier
>
> >>>Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan
>
> >>>This spring, Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) is revealing the
> >>>reality of the U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
>
> >> now that victory is at hand,
>
> >Ha Ha Ha!!!
>
> >whatafuckinmoron
>
> If you had been paying attention the news media is desperately trying
> to divert attention away from Iraq now that it is obvious we are
> winning.
>
platitudes, your administration has no defined mission, so how do you
measure success, White House press releases?
alcmr...@nospam.com.net
In <9ddfbb0d-e64e-4468...@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, on
12/30/2007
Funny how all these "Weekend Warrior's" who are sitting here, instead of
putting their own ass on the line in iraq, insist we are winning.
It we were winning, no one would be talking about needing troops there
indefinitely.
i3q7 west, phd
Monthly KIA U.S. soldiers.
The numbers have gone done the last 3 months. Hence victory.
Someone credible here said the troops have stayed in their bunkers to avoid missions,
and keep the numbers down.
BigRedWingsFan
<alcmr...@nospam.com.net> wrote in message
news:_pNdj.588$yv5.115@trndny07...
You mean like Germany, Japan, and Korea? It's convenient how you historical
revisionists' memories (don't) work.
>
>
>
Horvath
crap:
>
>
>Funny how all these "Weekend Warrior's" who are sitting here, instead of
>putting their own ass on the line in iraq, insist we are winning.
>
>It we were winning, no one would be talking about needing troops there
>indefinitely.
Aren't we winning in Korea?
Hor...@Horvath.net
My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."
Jeffrey Turner
The troops in those countries aren't protecting their gov'ts from
their people.
--Jeff
--
Ignorance, allied with power, is the
most ferocious enemy justice can have.
-James Baldwin
Hal
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:54:02 GMT, alcmrij...@nospam.com.net wrote this
> crap:
>
>
>
> >Funny how all these "Weekend Warrior's" who are sitting here, instead of
> >putting their own ass on the line in iraq, insist we are winning.
>
> >It we were winning, no one would be talking about needing troops there
> >indefinitely.
>
> Aren't we winning in Korea?
>
Hal
Hal
> In <9ddfbb0d-e64e-4468-956a-865c50d5d...@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, on
> 12/30/2007
> at 05:07 AM, Hal <Spamth...@gmail.com> said:
>
>
>
> >On Dec 29, 1:43 pm, Colin Campbell <activated_...@gmail.com (remove
> >underscore)> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 02:04:46 -0800, I <drw...@unreal.edu> wrote:
> >> >redc1c4 wrote:
>
> >> >> Gale Sayeers wrote:
>
> >> >>>http://www.ivaw.org/wintersoldier
>
> >> >>>Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan
>
> >> >>>This spring, Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) is revealing the
> >> >>>reality of the U.S. occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
>
> >> >> now that victory is at hand,
>
> >> >Ha Ha Ha!!!
>
> >> >whatafuckinmoron
>
> >> If you had been paying attention the news media is desperately trying
> >> to divert attention away from Iraq now that it is obvious we are
> >> winning.
>
> >Get some anti paranoia pills Colin. Winning at what? Other than
> >platitudes, your administration has no defined mission, so how do you
> >measure success, White House press releases?
>
> Funny how all these "Weekend Warrior's" who are sitting here, instead of
> putting their own ass on the line in iraq, insist we are winning.
>
there, done that" in Iraq, and that his country and countrymen should
be grateful for his service.
> It we were winning, no one would be talking about needing troops there
> indefinitely.
By any reasonable standard, be it bucks, bodies or the moral high
ground, the US lost in Iraq some few years ago. What remains to be
seen is just how bad that loss will be when the final tally is made.
Hal
tankfixer
tankfixer
tankfixer
says...
Someone credible once said you were a freeking moron...
tankfixer
@z26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Spam...@gmail.com says...
Funny, I saw now police uniforms on the DMZ...
Colin Campbell
wrote:
The real amusing thing is that these clowns are not aware that I have
served in Iraq.
That is why it is so easy for me to spot their BS.
Colin Campbell
<jtu...@localnet.com> wrote:
>The troops in those countries aren't protecting their gov'ts from
>their people.
Neither are the troops in Iraq.
I take it you have no idea who the factions in Iraq are.
Colin Campbell
>> Someone credible here said the troops have stayed in their bunkers to avoid missions,
>> and keep the numbers down.
>>
>
>Someone credible once said you were a freeking moron...
Another 'credible source' says he is a child molester.
tankfixer
9...@gmail.com says...
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:12:19 -0800, tankfixer <nu...@null.org> wrote:
>
>
> >> Someone credible here said the troops have stayed in their bunkers to avoid missions,
> >> and keep the numbers down.
> >>
> >
> >Someone credible once said you were a freeking moron...
>
> Another 'credible source' says he is a child molester.
>
The evidance just keeps stacking up on this boy huh ?
Hal
> In article <77cedad2-d45d-4f18-a812-5bb32981ca61
>
> > On Dec 30, 11:15 am, Horvath <Horv...@Horvath.nossepam.net> wrote:
> > > On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:54:02 GMT, alcmrij...@nospam.com.net wrote this
> > > crap:
>
> > > >Funny how all these "Weekend Warrior's" who are sitting here, instead of
> > > >putting their own ass on the line in iraq, insist we are winning.
>
> > > >It we were winning, no one would be talking about needing troops there
> > > >indefinitely.
>
> > > Aren't we winning in Korea?
>
> > That's a UN police action, not a US war.
>
> Funny, I saw now police uniforms on the DMZ...
That's right, because there is now a DMZ. When my uncle Ray went in
with the Canadian tanks, that hadn't been established yet.
Hal
alcmr...@nospam.com.net
Sorry dumbass but its been well over a generation since a guard unit was
sent to any of those locations. If you weren't a wannabee you would
know that. And if you were a coward wannabee, your ass would be in iraq
right wing fighting for your hero bush.
>>
>>
>>
BigRedWingsFan
<alcmr...@nospam.com.net> wrote in message
news:x1Wdj.680$nN5.508@trndny04...
We were discussing "troops", NOT guard units, dumbass. Do try to keep up.
tankfixer
44e8e1...@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Spam...@gmail.com says...
So was uncle Ray wearing a police uniform ?
tankfixer
says...
Really ?
That's odd because I've been to Germany three times over the last 15
years with mine (or as a filler with one)
And they go to japan and Korea on a regular basis too.
tankfixer
He is still worng.
I was in Germany with a Guard unit in 1999 .....
And we sent a unit to Japan a year ago....
Mac
wrote:
>From: Charles Darwin <drw...@unreal.edu>
>Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam,us.military.army,sci.military.naval
>Subject: Re: Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW)
>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:58:37 -0800
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<i2p6West> ???
Mac
wrote:
>From: Bob Bowie <drw...@unreal.edu>
>Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam,us.military.army,sci.military.naval
>Subject: Re: Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW)
>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:05:48 -0800
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<i2p6West> ???
Mac
<drw...@unreal.edu> wrote:
>From: "i3q7 west, phd" <drw...@unreal.edu>
>Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam,us.military.army,sci.military.naval
>Subject: Re: Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW)
>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:10:00 -0800
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Talking to yourself yet again ??
Mac
>And if you were a coward wannabee, your ass would be in iraq
>right wing fighting for your hero bush.
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And, because you are a Left-wing coward wannabee, your ass is plopped
there at the chair, so you can mis-spell words in posts you spew forth
attacking veterans and those who have volunteered to serve in combat,
in contrast to your own coward wannabee history....
---Mac, the Medic
redc1c4
what's even funnier is that Guard units go to all those countries, and more,
all the time.
redc1c4,
back from a fun weekend. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."
Army Officer's Guide
alcmr...@nospam.com.net
No dumbass wannabee redwings we were talking about NG -- and NG was used
in the statements asking you for the regiulation title, number and
paragraph to prove me wrong. But hey thanks for showing us once again
that you are wannabee. Any real soldier would know what NG means, and not
lose track of it.
Now I have better things to do then waste time with a *liar-wannabees like
right iwng nut cases are.
In <5tqpsjF...@mid.individual.net>, on 12/30/2007
Mac
>No dumbass wannabee redwings we were talking about NG -- and NG was used
>in the statements asking you for the regiulation title, number and
>paragraph to prove me wrong
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OF COURSE, has Little Mr. Eddie ever posted any PROOF of HIS claims??
HERE IS WHAT HE DECLARED:
"" I can search on RIF and guard
and come up with stories and rules
covering RIF in the guard.""
He projects upon others his own failures.
He has NOT produced ANY regulations supporting his initial
accusation regarding redec14...
Of course, he still has NOT substantiated his blathering claim.
When challenged to do so, as of today, he still has NOT provided the
result of his alleged "search on RIF"...
As of today, he has NOT been able to substantiate the statements he
has made.
And, as of today, he has NOT provided the specific rules he claims
that he says ensures that Red is not accurate.
---Mac, the Medic