No separtion of church and state: John McCain dangerous war policy
BenLong
beacuse Americans are Judeo-Christians, we should defend Israel.
This is a dangerous concept because McCain declared that U.S. war
policy must be controlled by the Judeo Christian religious belief.
Despite the separation of church and state principle, most U.S.
politicians let religious belief dictates foreign and domestic policy.
This makes U.S. government similar to those in radical Arab states.
The radical Islams believe that their nations must destroy Israel and
its allies to comply with their religious belief. They beleive that it
is their obligation to kill ennemies of their God, including women and
chidren, to please their God. To fulfill their obligations to God,
many of them became suicide bombers to attack civilian targets. While
the U.S. do not use suicide bombers to kill, it would not hesitate to
go to world war III with nuclear weapons (and killed millions of
women and children) to fullfill their Judeo Christian belief. Both
sides are willing to kill millions just for their crazy religious
belief. Both John McCain and Osama Bin Laden believe that they have a
religious duty to go to war based on their religious belief.
Communists always maintain that religions the opium of the people, but
actually religions are far more dangerous than opium because religious
wars killed hundred millions of people.
Horvath
wrote this crap:
>During a campaign in New Hamshire, John McCain said on TV that
>beacuse Americans are Judeo-Christians, we should defend Israel.
>This is a dangerous concept because McCain declared that U.S. war
>policy must be controlled by the Judeo Christian religious belief.
>Despite the separation of church and state principle,
Nowhere in the Constitution is there any mention of any separation of
church and state. On the contrary, our Founding Fathers were deeply
religious.
Hor...@Horvath.net
My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."
BenLong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States
Separation of church and state in the United States
The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle
derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution,
which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment
of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The
phrase "separation of church and state", which does not appear in the
Constitution itself, is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas
Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the
combined effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise
Clause of the First Amendment. It has since been quoted in several
opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court.[1]
On Jan 10, 6:06 pm, Horvath <Horv...@Horvath.nossepam.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:07:28 -0800 (PST), BenLong <pb5...@gmail.com>
> wrote this crap:
>
> >During a campaign in New Hamshire, John McCain said on TV that
> >beacuse Americans are Judeo-Christians, we should defend Israel.
> >This is a dangerous concept because McCain declared that U.S. war
> >policy must be controlled by the Judeo Christian religious belief.
> >Despite the separation of church and state principle,
>
> Nowhere in the Constitution is there any mention of any separation of
> church and state. On the contrary, our Founding Fathers were deeply
> religious.
>
> Horv...@Horvath.net
primord...@yahoo.com
> During a campaign in New Hamshire, John McCain said on TV that
> beacuse Americans are Judeo-Christians, we should defend Israel.
So when's he gonna re-up?
Hey, I've got a great idea...why not draft all the Judeo-Christians
and send them to Israel? Start with Pat Robertson, James Dobson, and
Ted Haggert's entire mega-church, including the fat ladies!
See - these problems is easy to fix.
:)
Ylem
primord...@yahoo.com
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:07:28 -0800 (PST), BenLong <pb5...@gmail.com>
> wrote this crap:
>
> >During a campaign in New Hamshire, John McCain said on TV that
> >beacuse Americans are Judeo-Christians, we should defend Israel.
> >This is a dangerous concept because McCain declared that U.S. war
> >policy must be controlled by the Judeo Christian religious belief.
> >Despite the separation of church and state principle,
>
> Nowhere in the Constitution is there any mention of any separation of
> church and state. On the contrary, our Founding Fathers were deeply
> religious.
>
>
Bullshit.
You sir, are full of shit. And a particularly foul smelling shit at
that.
The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall
govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall
rule it by fictitious miracles?
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815
The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first
example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and
if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of
artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider
this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the
formation of the American governments is at present little known or
regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an
object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons
employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any
degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon
ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will
forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely
by the use of reason and the senses.
-- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the
United States of America
Every new & successful example of a perfect separation between
ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance.
-- James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from
these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe
in blood for centuries."
-- James Madison, letter objecting to the use of government land for
churches, 1803, quoted from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of
Disbelief
If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so
administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg
you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself
to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual
tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.
-- George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of
Virginia, May 1789, in Anson Phelps Stokes, Church and State in the
United States, Vol 1. p. 495, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd
Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom
"I know that Gouverneur Morris, who claimed to be in his secrets, and
believed himself to be so, has often told me that General Washington
believed no more in that system [Christianity] than he did."
-- Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal, February, 1800, quoted
from Jefferson's Works, Vol. iv., p. 572 ("Gouverneur Morris was the
principal drafter of the Constitution of the United States; he was a
member of the Continental Congress, a United States senator from New
York, and minister to France. He accepted, to a considerable extent,
the skeptical views of French Freethinkers." -- John E Remsberg, Six
Historic Americans.)
Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction
of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet
we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the
effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other
half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82
Need more?
Evangelical Fascists like David Barton have lied about our great
founders, making them out to be a great gaggle of fundamentalists. But
that is a lie.
They were men of the Enlightenment and were as far from these snake-
handlers and mumbo-jumbo salesmen as Newton from an ignorant priest,
wallowing in foul superstitions.
Ylem
last one@laughing.com HeadMuthaFookerInChargeThirteenSixtyNine
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Horvath
wrote this crap:
>According to Wikipedia:
Nobody cares about Wackopedia.
Hor...@Horvath.net
ang...@nospam.net
at 03:22 AM, "HeadMuthaFookerInChargeThirteenSixtyNine" <The last
o...@laughing.com> said:
>The "Ho" has the IQ of Bush.....................
I would like to see a rational argument that anything is worth the nuclear
war -- that will someday be started there -- if reason does not prevail.
Other then the good possibility that enough right wingers would be removed
from the gene pool to give mankind a new chance.
primord...@yahoo.com
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:59:42 -0800 (PST), BenLong <pb5...@gmail.com>
> wrote this crap:
>
> >According to Wikipedia:
>
> Nobody cares about Wackopedia.
>
>
> My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
> ultimate power in the universe."
Apparently you do not care about the actual words and thoughts of our
august Founders themselves..
Ylem
BenLong
claimed Christians violated the Ten Commandments by bearing false
witness about WMD. God told Christians not to bear false witness but
never said that they should protect Israel in the Ten Commandments.
The Judeo Christians must have fabricated a new bible with their own
man-made commandments. They can win the war and made a lot of money
because Satan is rewarding them for disobeying God. But unless they
repent, they'd lost their souls forever. God would send people who
supported false witnesses to kill and take properties of others,
including the false witness about WMD to hell. For the past four years
of war, millions of people have died without repentent, and their
souls are not saved. Indeed they wasted their good work, time, and
money to serve their church without saving their own souls.
Horvath
wrote this crap:
>>
>Apparently you do not care about the actual words and thoughts of our
>august Founders themselves..
>Ylem
Actually, I don't care for the words and thoughts of you.
Hor...@Horvath.net
primord...@yahoo.com
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:41:01 -0800 (PST), primordial_y...@yahoo.com
> wrote this crap:
>
>
>
> >Apparently you do not care about the actual words and thoughts of our
> >august Founders themselves..
> >Ylem
>
> Actually, I don't care for the words and thoughts of you.
>
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning"...it smells like your
false assertion, fried to a crisp by the truth.
Have a good day...and thanks for playing.
Ylem
primord...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
There is nothing more un-Christian than the Religious Right.
Ylem
Justin Case
Interestingly, in order to follow their crazy belief, these self-
claimed Christians violated the Ten Commandments by bearing false
witness about WMD. God told Christians not to bear false witness but
never said that they should protect Israel in the Ten Commandments.
The Judeo Christians must have fabricated a new bible with their own
man-made commandments. They can win the war and made a lot of money
because Satan is rewarding them for disobeying God. But unless they
repent, they'd lost their souls forever. God would send people who
supported false witnesses to kill and take properties of others,
including the false witness about WMD to hell. For the past four years
of war, millions of people have died without repentent, and their
souls are not saved. Indeed they wasted their good work, time, and
money to serve their church without saving their own souls.
God gave the Ten Commandants to Moses which told Jews (not Christians) not
to bare false witness. But perhaps you would be wise to heed the
admonistion of "judge not less ye be judged". As far as people dying
unsaved then you ought to be careful what you state. The liberal thought
process has condemned millions to rely on and worship government rather than
the creator.
Oh, and there is another commandant which speaks of adultary. So quit being
so selective.
On Jan 10, 8:06 pm, primordial_y...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jan 10, 3:07 pm, BenLong <pb5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > During a campaign in New Hamshire, John McCain said on TV that
> > beacuse Americans are Judeo-Christians, we should defend Israel.
>
> So when's he gonna re-up?
> Hey, I've got a great idea...why not draft all the Judeo-Christians
> and send them to Israel? Start with Pat Robertson, James Dobson, and
> Ted Haggert's entire mega-church, including the fat ladies!
> See - these problems is easy to fix.
> :)
That would only leave the masses and the elite. Hope your gulag is in a
warm climate rather than Alaska. You sure as hell won't be posting on the
internet.
> Ylem
BenLong
churches, making their leaders phophets of war and death.
When war justification is not possible, these prophets and their self-
claimed born again Christians fabricated false evidences and made
false acusations to kill. The Gulf of Tonkin attack, the purchase of
yellow cakes and alluminum tubes, the mobile chemical lab on the
trailers are examples of these God fearless leaders.
Unlike governor Pontius Pilate who dennounced the false accusations by
washing his hands in front of the public two thousand years ago, so
far none of the Christians today have the conscience to do so after
the accusations of WMD are found to be false. None of the TV
evangelists went on TV to wash their hands. By denouncing false
accusations and washing his hands, Pontius Pilate who is not a
Christian showed that he had a higher moral standard than most
Christians today.
God had shown his disapproval of the sins and gave plenty of warnings
to the U.S.: unusual natural disasters, the surge of unusual deseases
but so far very few saw the warning signs and repented. And like the
distruction of Sodom and Gomorrah the anger of God may come if we
don't repent soon.
Last week, ABC News Charles Gibson told the people in the New
Hampshire debate that the probability of terrorist's nuclear attack on
the U.S. for the next ten years is about 30 percent. The angels may
have sent the warnings to the people of Sodom but the voters ignored
them as they voted for the most hawkish candiades of each party to win
the primary: John McCain and Hilary Clinton.
Only Obama or Edwards are sane enough to steer the U.S. out of danger
of being a Sodom and Gomorrah, but so far the chance for them to get
nominated is slim.
i3q7 west, phd
Well said.
Horvath
wrote this crap:
>
>There is nothing more un-Christian than the Religious Right.
>Ylem
No. There's the religious wrong. Dumbass.
ang...@nospam.net
01/11/2008
>Interestingly, in order to follow their crazy belief, these self-
>claimed Christians violated the Ten Commandments by bearing false witness
>about WMD. God told Christians not to bear false witness but never said
>that they should protect Israel in the Ten Commandments. The Judeo
>Christians must have fabricated a new bible with their own man-made
>commandments. They can win the war and made a lot of money because Satan
>is rewarding them for disobeying God. But unless they repent, they'd lost
>their souls forever. God would send people who supported false witnesses
>to kill and take properties of others, including the false witness about
>WMD to hell. For the past four years of war, millions of people have died
>without repentent, and their souls are not saved. Indeed they wasted
>their good work, time, and money to serve their church without saving
>their own souls.
Well said Ben Long. Well said.
ang...@nospam.net
I love how your right wing kooks rationalize your war-making, lying,
letting children go hungry, etc. -- Do you think this stuff will work at
your final judgement?
In <3WVhj.35618$lD6....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>, on 01/12/2008
BenLong
> "BenLong" <pb5...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> God gave the Ten Commandants to Moses which told Jews (not Christians) not
> to bare false witness. But perhaps you would be wise to heed the
> admonistion of "judge not less ye be judged". As far as people dying
> unsaved then you ought to be careful what you state. The liberal thought
> process has condemned millions to rely on and worship government rather than
> the creator.
>
> Oh, and there is another commandant which speaks of adultary. So quit being
> so selective.
>
God gave the The Ten Commandments to Mose, but they apply to Jews and
Christians who are Jesus Chist followers (Jesus = Jews).
Yes, aldultery is another violation of the Ten Commandment. Rape is
big business in the U.S. military from the Air Force Academy to the
recent rape at Camp LeJeune. There is a code of silence in the
military and so they tried to cover up. U.S. soldiers patronize
prostitutions all over the world, and U.S. soldiers in Iraq raped many
Iraqis women. They committed adultery with the blessing of the U.S.
government and the military. Most of the rapists got away. No one got
jail time at Hidatha Iraq.
primord...@yahoo.com
> The world today is ruled by Satan as he took over
There is no "Satan". Indeed, the notion of a giant Israelite "God" is
a Bronze Age fable.
Ylem (an atheist from the foxholes)
primord...@yahoo.com
> God gave the The Ten Commandments to
Myth!
Ylem
last one@laughing.com HeadMuthaFookerInChargeThirteenSixtyNine
that before they gave us Jesus and Allah, the People of the Whole World
Respected, Protected and Prayed to Nature itself the Sun, the Earth etc etc.
making it most difficult to steal resources or pollute the air, land and
sea.
If you think about it, if the Earth "which actually gives us all life and
sustains us all by itself) was respected and regulated to that of a
religious God.... do you think people would simply throw their trash out the
window or deforest, strip mine, polllute or destroy any aspects of the Earth
and Life itself. I'd have to say no.
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