Mel Gibson rumor
JRVining
the draft. I don't know how true this is, but if it's true I find it to be
repusive that someone who avoided Vietnam should be portraying a Vietnam war
hero.
Perry Marlin
He's an Actor for Christ Sakes and it really doesn't matter and you're
right it's a rumor.
Yeff
Perry Marlin<csmre...@prodigy.net> wrote in
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Ignore him Perry, it's just Stan the Buddyfucker (who
claims to have beaten a guy up for wearing jump boots).
-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com
Richard Rongstad
JR, this description of Mel Gibson's early life has circulated
for a long time and I think it's the only version.
I've never bothered to confirm this draft avoidance motive being
correct or bogus.
It's probably more accurate to say that Gibson's father moved the
whole family to Australia, not just Mel.
Even if Mel's father did move to Australia so that his son could
avoid the draft, would it be fair to say that Mel avoided the draft?
I say that depends largely on Mel's age at the time he went to
Australia.
If he was anywhere near draft age, then he was possibly a willing
accomplice in the decision to go to Australia.
I still have my draft card.
Richard Rongstad
Oh! Actors and those that might become actors are draft exempt?
Doug Reese
>Even if Mel's father did move to Australia so that his son could
>avoid the draft, would it be fair to say that Mel avoided the draft?
>
>I say that depends largely on Mel's age at the time he went to
>Australia.
>
He wasn't.
Doug
Perry Marlin
You missed the point, who else acts in movies and that is why he
played the part.
Perry Marlin
Look at it this way, according to the VFW vietnam vets are less than
10% of their generation and out of that around 25% were draftees so
what are the odds that he would have ever been drafted in the first
place. You ain't a draft dodger unless you got your notice and didn't
show up. It's the chance you take.
Ate My Willie
sound very repulsive to me...
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Richard Rongstad
Good points. Only 25%. That amazes me. To hear some people recount the
history of the Vietnam War you'd think that almost every vet was poor,
black and drafted as cannon fodder.
Something like 12,000,000 people put on the uniform during WW-II, when
U.S. population was about 125,000,000, but I don't know how many were
eligible. Somebody must have calculated that sometime.
I suggested that Mel Gibson or Gibson's dad may have been avoiding the
draft, not dodging it. The way I look at it avoiding the draft by moving
to another country puts you farther down the food chain than merely
seeking a deferment. Deferment was a legal option even though some
amount of deferments were obtained by fraud.
Tri...@pacbell.net
JRVining wrote:
> I've heard that Mel Gibson's father took his son to Australia to help Mel avoid
> the draft.
It's a rumor Gibson started. From the AP:
>
> NEW YORK (AP) - Mel Gibson is trying to dispel a rumor he started
> about himself.
>
> When he was about 25 he says he blurted out in an interview that his
> father moved the whole family to Australia so that his sons wouldn't
> be drafted into the Vietnam War. Unfortunately, it stuck and he has
> been trying to clear it up ever since.
>
> The truth of the matter is that his father had been injured at work
> and they had family in Australia.
>
> "Even if you moved to Australia you could still be drafted," Gibson
> said. Fortunately, Vietnam finished by the time he was 16.
>
> His new movie "We Were Soldiers" is about one of the roughest battles
> during the Vietnam War. It's in theaters Friday.
Mac
And the source for your particular "rumor" ?
Did you bother to check to see what Mr. Gibson's age was if and
when he moved to Australia?
Did you bother to check to see if only Mel went; or if, by
chance, the father moved the entire family?
And if there was a busienss reason for the move?
Or...
Or did you simply post yet another rumor?
---Mac
Sandy Hill
His dad probably heard the rumours about a tiny minority of gutless thugs
masquerading as soldiers who only hunt in packs because they're just too
scared to do otherwise, who beat the crap out of fellow soldiers just
because of the boots they're wearing. Now THAT'S "repusive".
Mac
Hmmmmmmm?
And, what about Sylvester S.?
Exactly how do you feel about that person?
---Mac
Charles G. White
over before he ever became of age.
"JRVining" wrote in message
Sandy Hill
Saturday evening, and one of the questions Parkinson asked him was if the
rumour was true that his father had moved the family to Australia to avoid
his sons being drafted (there were 10 kids in the family!).
Mel replied that his father had fought in WWII and had been through hell (I
think he said he was at Iwo Jima). Because of that, his dad didn't want to
expose his sons to the same horrors and therefore the decision to move to
Australia, whilst *primarily* because his dad couldn't get work in the US,
was "partly" to delay (not avoid)the possibility of his sons being drafted.
He said his dad hoped the war would be over before they came of age, but he
reiterated what others have said on this NG in previous discussions on this
subject, they WERE still eligible to be drafted wherever they were. He was
very honest about the subject.
Another interesting thing he said was that because his father worked on the
railways (a railway gaugeman?), his particular job required him to have a
thorough knowledge of Latin and Greek. He said his father was a very very
clever man who was not only fluent in both languages, but in a wide range of
other subjects also. When he lost his job because of his accident, his
father got onto the US television show "Jeopardy" and proceeded to clean up.
Apparently he won every single week, and in the end he won so much that the
TV show stopped him appearing! However, he was invited back later that same
year to go head to head with winners of previous shows, and he proceeded to
beat all of them too! Mel said his father then took the family off on a
round the world trip with the proceeds, and it was at the end of that trip
that they emigrated to Australia.
--
'Always shoot for the moon. Even if you miss you'll land amongst the
stars.'
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Lee P.
It's a FALSE rumor. It has nothing to do with being an actor. We've been
over this crap several times here. he was too fooking young to have been
drafted. They moved to Australia when we was 12 or something like that.
Take your self-righteous indignation to a topic that is real and means
something.
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Nigel Brooks
You mean we're????????????
Damn - I don't feel it.
Nigel Brooks
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JR Hess
JR (who still can't believe he's 57!!! ayyyiiicarumba)
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Skip
old enough for the draft nor was he at an age where he could have
infulenced where his father moved the family. This is a rumor
designed and perpetrated by those who insist that EVERYTHING is part
of a conspiracy against them.
> >
I'm not paranoid, they really are out to get me! :-P
izmn 289 days in-country
388th CSG
Sandy Hill
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> I know, you just can't spit it out, can you.
>
> JR (who still can't believe he's 57!!! ayyyiiicarumba)
57!!! Pah.....a youngster! I can remember the old days when *I* was
57....all those years ago.....I remember when half a crown bought you a
week's groceries and a night out at the pictures and STILL have change left
over!
JR Hess
(Just pulling your chain, Sandy...VBG.)
I remember getting in to see the latest Roy Rogers movies (circa '54) for one thin dime. A
coke and popcorn was another 15 cents.
JR still 57, dammit, and not feeling any better about it
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Joe S.
son out of the Vietnam War, I fail to see how we should hold that against
Mel Gibson. After all, not a lot of 12 year olds are in a position to tell
their dad to shove it, I'm going to Vietnam.
Just another goddam troll who likely never saw a uniform in his life.
--
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Regards,
Joe S.
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M.E.Nicholas
http://us.imdb.com/Bio?Gibson,+Mel
QUOTE
Mel Columcille Gerard Gibson was born on January 3, 1956, in
Peekskill, NY, USA as the sixth of eleven children to
parents Hutton Gibson, a railroad brakeman, and Ann Gibson,
who was born in Australia and died in December of 1990.
Though born in the US, Mel and his family moved to New South
Wales, Australia after his father won as a "Jeopardy!"
(1964) contestant, in part because he wanted to avoid having
his sons drafted in the Vietnam War.
UNQUOTE
I doubt Mel Gibson's father had young ( 12 yrs old -- DTFM)
Mel's direct interest, vis a vis the draft, in mind.
It is also very silly to think *anyone* in 1964 was
clairvoyant enough to see what was comin' down the pike...
And just who? I repeat *who* hasn't thought about moving to
Australia at least once at some point in their life? I mean,
summer at the wrong time of year and kangaroos 'n stuff.
Great slang, pretty wimmen and pretty good beer....
Best, men
"Mac" <nur99-NoGreenEgg...@spiritone.com> wrote
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George Moore
Agreed indeed.
See http://www.cbvcp.com/c2/celebrities/melgibson
and many other pages about this Hollywood actor. Just do a simple
search on keywords "Mel Gibson". It seems that he was born on January
3, 1956, which means that he turned 18 only in January of 1974, well
over a year after the draft had been discontinued in the States.
Whoa, I was born on August 9th of that same year! I'm getting old!
Cheers,
Richard Rongstad
>
> Mel Gibson guested on the Michael Parkinson chatshow here in the UK last
> Saturday evening, and one of the questions Parkinson asked him was if the
> rumour was true that his father had moved the family to Australia to avoid
> his sons being drafted (there were 10 kids in the family!).
>
> Mel replied that his father had fought in WWII and had been through hell (I
> think he said he was at Iwo Jima).
I know some Iwo Jima veterans. I think I'll ask. They wouldn't
necessarily know, but they might.
> Because of that, his dad didn't want to
> expose his sons to the same horrors and therefore the decision to move to
> Australia, whilst *primarily* because his dad couldn't get work in the US,
> was "partly" to delay (not avoid)the possibility of his sons being drafted.
> He said his dad hoped the war would be over before they came of age, but he
> reiterated what others have said on this NG in previous discussions on this
> subject, they WERE still eligible to be drafted wherever they were. He was
> very honest about the subject.
>
> Another interesting thing he said was that because his father worked on the
> railways (a railway gaugeman?), his particular job required him to have a
> thorough knowledge of Latin and Greek.
That sounds like nonsense to me. Were you drinking when you watched
the telly that night?
> He said his father was a very very
> clever man who was not only fluent in both languages, but in a wide range of
> other subjects also. When he lost his job because of his accident, his
> father got onto the US television show "Jeopardy" and proceeded to clean up.
> Apparently he won every single week, and in the end he won so much that the
> TV show stopped him appearing! However, he was invited back later that same
> year to go head to head with winners of previous shows, and he proceeded to
> beat all of them too! Mel said his father then took the family off on a
> round the world trip with the proceeds, and it was at the end of that trip
> that they emigrated to Australia.
That's twice I've heard the "Jeopardy" story. I wonder if Jeopardy
can confirm that.
Richard Rongstad
>
> Richard,
> It's a FALSE rumor. It has nothing to do with being an actor. We've been
> over this crap several times here. he was too fooking young to have been
> drafted. They moved to Australia when we was 12 or something like that.
Who cares when Gibson went to Australia? He was born in Jan. 1956,
which made him 17 in 1973, old enough to enlist with daddy's approval,
and 18 in 1974, old enough to be drafted and was 19 when the Saigon
Embassy was cleared out. Was 18 too young to be drafted?
> Take your self-righteous indignation to a topic that is real and means
> something.
You are such a silly duck. There's nothing self righteous in what
I wrote and I am sure not indignant.
No. Wait! Are you a local secretary for the Watermelon Party?
I am normally very mild mannered - but - take your ignorant statement
and pack it where the sun don't shine. I'm still not indignant.
Pack it in tight.
Richard Rongstad
>
> Hmmm, if he was 12, and his father took the family to Australia to keep his
> son out of the Vietnam War, I fail to see how we should hold that against
> Mel Gibson. After all, not a lot of 12 year olds are in a position to tell
> their dad to shove it, I'm going to Vietnam.
>
> Just another goddam troll who likely never saw a uniform in his life.
You could change that to "her/his/its life".
Yup Joe, I guess you can call JRVining a troll if you want. And yes
if young Mel was moved to Australia at age 12, it was 1968, a very
interesting year. After 5 years living in Australia he could have
done a minority enlistment and in 1974 he could have been drafted...
if the draft lottery was still being run... and if his number
came up. Hmmh. Maybe his dad just didn't let Mel get registered
from Australia. In those days, your registration point was probably
the Embassy. The Mel Gibson DOB I come up with is Jan. 3, 1956.
I figure that the story about Gibson's father moving the family to
Australia so his son could avoid the draft is a wee bit suspect.
There are some posts saying Mel made it up as a kind of joke.
I don't care. Gibson's a lot easier to stomach than a whole
flock of celebrity idiots that should keep their mouths shut,
their skin covered and their genital lives private.
I'm going to keep on seeing Mel Gibson movies, and I'll see
"We Were Soldiers" as soon as I can afford my next bag of popcorn,
and I'm going to rent "Braveheart" and "The Patriot" first chance I get.
Richard Rongstad
In 1991, Stallone sued society gossip Peter Theodoracopulos and a
British magazine for suggesting the actor was cowardly and hypocritical
when he "ducked the Vietnam War." - Stallone diagnosis: "terminal ACI"
http://www.vikingphoenix.com/news/stn/1998/stn98036.htm
M.E.Nicholas
http://www.azreporter.com/celebrity/interviews/melgibson.htm
l
Not a bad interview as movie star interviews go. McNamara
gets a pretty good two-hander just before this part of the
interview...
QUOTE
Is it true that your Dad moved you and your family to
Australia because he was worried about the Viet Nam War?
MEL GIBSON: That's not wholly true, it's only a legend. I
think I said something like that back when I was twenty
five. I said that, and it stuck. So I've been dealing with
it ever since. But because my dad went and fought in WWII,
and did his thing at Guadalcanal, he wasn't a fan of war.
And who is?
However, going to Australia did not insure any kind of
escape. And even by going to Australia, you were still
drafted there. But fortunately, the clock ran out on that
conflict when I was about sixteen, so I didn't have to go.
Was your brother drafted?
MEL GIBSON: My brother did get called up, and he went down.
And he flunked! But you could be drafted as a permanent
resident by the Americans, and by the Australians too a year
later. Because they also fought in Viet Nam. So the best
thing it could do being there, was buy you a year.
You have six sons. How would you feel about them going off
to war?
MEL GIBSON: I would hate to send my children to war. I don't
even care if it's a just war, I still would hate to send
them.
UNQUOTE
Mac
<rong...@vikingphoenix.com> wrote:
>Mac wrote:
>> Hmmmmmmm?
>> And, what about Sylvester S.?
>> Exactly how do you feel about that person?
>> ---Mac
************************************************
>In 1991, Stallone sued society gossip Peter Theodoracopulos and a
>British magazine for suggesting the actor was cowardly and hypocritical
>when he "ducked the Vietnam War." - Stallone diagnosis: "terminal ACI"
>http://www.vikingphoenix.com/news/stn/1998/stn98036.htm
****************************************
Oh. I must have missed some of his brave acts when Stallone
enlisted and served in the military during that time.
Gee, I wonder what he did during that period?
Wonder where he was stationed and what his activities and duties
were?
Based upon his movies, he must have cut quite a path of
destruction.
Funny I never heard of it.
So, he wasn't cowardly and hypocritical???
O.K., where was he and what did he do?
---Mac
Mac
<rong...@vikingphoenix.com> wrote:
>I'm going to keep on seeing Mel Gibson movies, and I'll see
>"We Were Soldiers" as soon as I can afford my next bag of popcorn,
>and I'm going to rent "Braveheart" and "The Patriot" first chance I get.
***************
You should enjoy "The Patriot".
Really interesting.
And powerful.
---Mac
redvet
three weeks the story of his move to Australia was for reasons of his father's
health. "Hell, the draft board knew where I was and could have contacted me."
Which was probably true enough. Atleast he didn't hide out in the national guard
golf team or claim he had bad knees. - redvet
Lee P.
"redvet" <red...@lava.net> wrote in message
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H.Morrison
<snip>
> Even if Mel's father did move to Australia so that his son could
> avoid the draft, would it be fair to say that Mel avoided the draft?
>
> I say that depends largely on Mel's age at the time he went to
> Australia.
>
> If he was anywhere near draft age, then he was possibly a willing
> accomplice in the decision to go to Australia.
>
> I still have my draft card.
Richard,
I'm coming in on this late, due to the time zones, but I know of at
least one person around these parts that was not on US soil but was
drafted.
Harry
Donna Long
Austrailia. He was magnificant in the movie and I now know just a tiny
bit of the horror my late husband (Huey crewchief -medevac/gunship)
went through ...not to mention what our men on the ground had to face.
God Bless Gibson for finally showing(as hard as it was to watch) the
hell and agony the men and their families went through and their
courage at home and on the battlefield.
BTW We also discussed going to Austrailia (before the war). They were
offering to pay the way and great paying jobs for helicopter
mechanics. We loved living in the country and seriously considered it.
But the war came and being a Marine, my late husband choose to stay in
the Corps...saying that was what they had trained and paid him for all
the peace time years he served and it wouldn't be right to leave, now
that his country needed him.
Donna Long
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Al Zeller
"Lee P." wrote:
>
> And where did you hide out, Scotty Cade?
>
Hanoi? Peking? Moscow? Seeing as how he keeps saying his side was losing
when he left Vietnam, it's got to be one of those.
Al
M.E.Nicholas
Much thanks to you and your husband for all the 'stuff' you
put up with/went through serving America.
Best, men
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Lee P.
> I am normally very mild mannered - but - take your ignorant statement
> and pack it where the sun don't shine. I'm still not indignant.
> Pack it in tight.
Not bad at all. Not quite up to Don T.'s standards, but not bad.
Are you a Vietnam vet?
Duke of URL
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> I've heard that Mel Gibson's father took his son to Australia to help Mel
avoid
> the draft. I don't know how true this is, but if it's true I find it to be
> repusive that someone who avoided Vietnam should be portraying a Vietnam
war
> hero.
Oh, I don't know. Wasn't Mel about 8 years old at the time? I don't remember
very many pre-pubescent men in-country. <I want you all to notice how I'm
restraining myself from saying anything about USAF officers...>
Duke of URL
> "Lee P." wrote:
> >
> > Richard,
> > It's a FALSE rumor. It has nothing to do with being an actor. We've been
> > over this crap several times here. he was too fooking young to have been
> > drafted. They moved to Australia when we was 12 or something like that.
>
> Who cares when Gibson went to Australia? He was born in Jan. 1956,
> which made him 17 in 1973, old enough to enlist with daddy's approval,
> and 18 in 1974, old enough to be drafted and was 19 when the Saigon
> Embassy was cleared out. Was 18 too young to be drafted?
IIRC, we weren't drafting Australians into the US Army...
Duke of URL
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George? Stuffit! <rotten no-good smart-alecky youngsters, grumble, mumble,
mumble, grumble...>
Richard Rongstad
I've heard that Stallone couldn't pass the physical, that's
never been confirmed that I know of.
One of the stories about Stallone is that he was born missing some
facial muscles, thus accounting for the deadpan expression and
different kind of smile - although I don't know if that would
disqualify a man for military service.
Richard Rongstad
Yup.
Doug Reese
>I've heard that Stallone couldn't pass the physical, that's
>never been confirmed that I know of.
>
>One of the stories about Stallone is that he was born missing some
>facial muscles, thus accounting for the deadpan expression and
>different kind of smile - although I don't know if that would
>disqualify a man for military service.
Not missing muscles -- when he was born they used forceps (sp?) in
such a manner that they caused damaged to some of his facial muscles,
which accounts for that crooked smile.
How's that for junk knowledge!
Doug
Al Zeller
Richard Rongstad wrote:
>
>
> I've heard that Stallone couldn't pass the physical, that's
> never been confirmed that I know of.
>
Half the football player were 4F because of fucked up knees. If they
managed to get in, then they ended up on profile. You could tell who was
a regular player or a ski buff by the 8 inch long scars on the sides of
their knees.
Al
George Moore
Sorry, I couldn't resist! <grin>
When I turned 25 in August of 1981, I tried to tell my then 70+ year
old grandmother about how I felt ancient to be now one quarter century
old!
She wasn't impressed either... She is even less impressed today!
Best regards,
George Moore
Kid Student
Richard Rongstad
I am gravely impressed.
> Doug
Sandy Hill
Sober as a judge. I'm just repeating what Gibson said about his
father....and he said that his job required him to know Greek and Latin...he
didn't elaborate and I didn't think to phone in live on air to ask for an
explanation!
> > He said his father was a very very
> > clever man who was not only fluent in both languages, but in a wide
range of
> > other subjects also. When he lost his job because of his accident, his
> > father got onto the US television show "Jeopardy" and proceeded to clean
up.
> > Apparently he won every single week, and in the end he won so much that
the
> > TV show stopped him appearing! However, he was invited back later that
same
> > year to go head to head with winners of previous shows, and he proceeded
to
> > beat all of them too! Mel said his father then took the family off on a
> > round the world trip with the proceeds, and it was at the end of that
trip
> > that they emigrated to Australia.
> That's twice I've heard the "Jeopardy" story. I wonder if Jeopardy
> can confirm that.
Since watching the programme last Saturday, I've since seen that piece of
information on a couple of Mel Gibson websites. I'm sure if you called the
TV station that puts out "Jeopardy" they'd be only too happy to waste their
time helping you.
Donna Long
hold him just one more time and tell him how sorry I am for not
understanding what he went through. He didn't want to talk about Nam
and I pushed and pushed ..trying to break down that wall he had put
up. I feel now that I only hurt him more, because now I know there was
no way he could describe or share what he had been through ...at least
not with me ...someone who hadn't been there. After the movie, I know
he had to build that wall in order to do his job and not emotionally
fall apart. And to make things worse for him, I was (and still am) a
POW/MIA activist and my deep involvement in that issue kept the war
alive for him. He never had a chance to heal and that was my fault.
I left Black Hawk Down angry as hell...ready to go to Somalia and blow
all the SOBS away. I left We were Soldiers in tears ( and I don't cry
hardly ever).
God Bless all of you who served and I hope you all will find it in
your hearts to forgive those of us back home who didn't have a clue as
to the horrors you faced ...much less how to help you heal when you
came home.
Donna Long
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wsmason
You have nothing to be forgiven for nor any reason to feel obliged.
There's nothing written or taught in school that teaches us how to cope
with the realities of real love, life and the inherent terrors and
isolation of war.
Most men do their time and go home to relative normality - Whatever that
is.
I'm almost 52 years old and after all this time I still make/hear the
sounds in my head of a .50 calibre machine gun churning up the treeline
and hooches while looking straight into the face of this old old woman
crouched down as only the gooks can do with her clenched hands over ears
and crying stop stop. I can still feel it to this day.
The funny part about it is the fact that it only comes and then goes
away for a long time or sometimes its every day for days...only for 5 or
so seconds...but jeez its real.
I wasn't infantry or door gunner or anything so infamous.
I was just a Marine doing his time.
The one thing I can look back on and feel gratified with over my time on
this earth is the Woman I Love. Good days or bad bad days, life's good
when she's around.
I can't speak for others, but I'm almost certain that it is her that
kept me sane and docile. Thanks for being there, you don't need to
understand. You just needed to care.
If you did that, then that's enough for any man. Feel proud, ..."They
also serve who stand and wait". Who has the hardest job..don't know.
Please discuss.....
Regards,
Scott Mason
1st of the 13th
USMC 67-71.
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Sent: 7 March 2002 9:44
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<<<SNIP>>>...........He never had a chance to heal and that was my
fault.
>
> <<<SNIP>>>...........> God Bless all of you who served and I hope you
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'66-'67 28th Trans Platoon
Qui Nhon, Pleiku and beyond
"wsmason" <wsm...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
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> I wasn't infantry or door gunner or anything so infamous.
> I was just a Marine doing his time.
> Scott Mason
John C. Thompson
>
> I've heard that Mel Gibson's father took his son to Australia to help Mel avoid
> the draft. I don't know how true this is, but if it's true I find it to be
> repusive that someone who avoided Vietnam should be portraying a Vietnam war
> hero.
There was an interview on TV with Mel that I caught last night. Mel was
12 (twelve) years old when the family moved to the AU. If that is
avoiding the draft for Mel's sake then his father was an incredible
pessimist or _very_ forward looking. I suspect that the truth should be
looked for elsewhere.
johnt
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"And I, I just took a ride, on my silver machine, and I'm feelin' mean
..."
-Hawkwind
Ate My Willie
hysterically for over an hour and was heard to say..."I don't believe this
idiot, I really don't." Filming on the set of "We were soldiers..." was
stopped for the rest of the day while the actor and his on-set cronies could
get their breath back after reading Philth's exploits.
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/1955/faqawld.htm
Donna Long
Donna Long
"wsmason" <wsm...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:<U8Jh8.6792$uR5....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
Richard Rongstad
>
> Scott, I don't think that infantryman and door gunners should be categorized as
> "infamous."
> JR
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> '66-'67 28th Trans Platoon
> Qui Nhon, Pleiku and beyond
Do you know about the Qui Nhon railroad?
Richard Rongstad
>
> JRVining wrote:
> >
> > I've heard that Mel Gibson's father took his son to Australia to help Mel avoid
> > the draft. I don't know how true this is, but if it's true I find it to be
> > repusive that someone who avoided Vietnam should be portraying a Vietnam war
> > hero.
>
> There was an interview on TV with Mel that I caught last night. Mel was
> 12 (twelve) years old when the family moved to the AU. If that is
> avoiding the draft for Mel's sake then his father was an incredible
> pessimist or _very_ forward looking. I suspect that the truth should be
> looked for elsewhere.
>
> johnt
I think I saw the same interview. Gibson said his dad served on
Guadalcanal, I waited to hear, but he didn't specify whether
Army, Marines, Navy.
According to all the relevant dates, Mel Gibson could have
volunteered for U.S. military service from Australia, but
didn't. No problem there, probably millions didn't volunteer and
didn't give it a second thought. At least Gibson didn't evade or
dodge the draft, I see no signs of it.
Again using the dates, he was born Jan. 1956 and the fact that
the draft probably ended before Gibson was eligible. I've got no
quarrel with Mel Gibson. He's one hell of a lot easier to
stomach than most of the rest of the big mouth, scatter-brained
Hollywood degenerates and they have picked quarrels with me.
JR Hess
> Do you know about the Qui Nhon railroad?
I don't remember seeing any trains operating in or around Qui Nhon.
I do (vaguely) remember seeing tracks and destroyed railroad bridges between Qui Nhon, Phu
Cat and Bong Son.
Or is does it have something to do with the term "infamous"?
Sorry, Richard, looks like I'm clueless about this.
JR
Perry
Same here, during my 18 months in Qui Nhon I never saw a train. and I
made numerous trips to LZ English, Uplift, An Khe and other places.