Accept Fonda's Apology
Marcus Aurelius
conduct during and after the War in Vietnam, it is my opinion that we, as
Vietnam Veterans, should gracefully accept her apology.
There has been enough death, hatred, and vituperation associated with the
War in Vietnam, a war whose goals I supported and still support.
We can further those goals and bring peace to our nation by accepting her
apology.
Veterans should cease all futher crudities directed towards her and ask he
to lead a movement to bring healing to the nation and to Vietnam Veterans.
She should assist Vietnam Veterans as best as she can.
We should as her to visit the Vietnam Memorial in Washington there to thank
Vietnam Veterans and ask for their apology while pledging to assist them
over come the wounds they received in Vietnam and upon coming home.
Let's take the high and moral ground.
I served with the U.S. Army;4th Inf. Div.;2/8th Inf.;Republic of Vietnam
1969-1970.
ugly...@newsreader.com
What apology?
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wrote:
>Veterans should cease all futher crudities directed towards her and ask he
>to lead a movement to bring healing to the nation and to Vietnam Veterans.
She could do that by contracting terminal blood cancer and refusing
medication.
jim
You do as you wish. The bitch can never, never, never undo the damage
she did to POW's or vets. Don't presume you speak for anyone but
yourself.
She has a history of saying the right thing when it is important to
her career. An amoral bitch on my side of the issue.
i2p6 west
>
> You do as you wish. The bitch can never, never, never undo the damage
> she did to POW's or vets. Don't presume you speak for anyone but
> yourself.
>
> She has a history of saying the right thing when it is important to
> her career. An amoral bitch on my side of the issue.
Ha Ha!! Good!! I think you deserve the pain.
ya fuckin babykiller.
Ha!
ugly...@newsreader.com
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 04:18:30 GMT, "Marcus Aurelius"
> <shaw...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >While I am as incensed as all Vietnam Veterans are at Fonda's words and
> >conduct during and after the War in Vietnam, it is my opinion that we,
> >as Vietnam Veterans, should gracefully accept her apology.
> >There has been enough death, hatred, and vituperation associated with
> >the War in Vietnam, a war whose goals I supported and still support.
> >We can further those goals and bring peace to our nation by accepting
> >her apology.
> >Veterans should cease all futher crudities directed towards her and ask
> >he to lead a movement to bring healing to the nation and to Vietnam
> >Veterans. She should assist Vietnam Veterans as best as she can.
> >We should as her to visit the Vietnam Memorial in Washington there to
> >thank Vietnam Veterans and ask for their apology while pledging to
> >assist them over come the wounds they received in Vietnam and upon
> >coming home. Let's take the high and moral ground.
> >I served with the U.S. Army;4th Inf. Div.;2/8th Inf.;Republic of Vietnam
> >1969-1970.
I could pull her feeding tube in a heartbeat and not lose sleep
over it.
> >
>
> You do as you wish. The bitch can never, never, never undo the damage
> she did to POW's or vets. Don't presume you speak for anyone but
> yourself.
>
> She has a history of saying the right thing when it is important to
> her career. An amoral bitch on my side of the issue.
--
ugly...@newsreader.com
Always one who doesn't know his ass from a hole
in the ground.
Mac
<nos...@rr.net> wrote:
>jim wrote:
>> You do as you wish. The bitch can never, never, never undo the damage
>> she did to POW's or vets. Don't presume you speak for anyone but
>> yourself.
>> She has a history of saying the right thing when it is important to
>> her career. An amoral bitch on my side of the issue.
**************************
>Ha Ha!! Good!! I think you deserve the pain.
>ya fuckin babykiller.
>Ha!
**********************
Notice how the poor, pitiful, desperate "i2p6 West"
creature displays such psychological problems as to delight
in the anguish and misery and pain of others and wish others
suffer?
His wish, Jim, that you deserve the pain, and his desperate
canard of being a "babykiller" seems to harken back to those
wonderful critters who delighted in calling families of
military who had been injured or killed in Vietnam and
spewed forth their bile.
Such a pitiful, psychological disabled critter who has such
an arrested development.
At the very least he is so jealous of those who did go and
served honorably and have accomplished much in their lives
while he.... well, he is simply "i2p6 west"...
Pitiful.
---Mac
jim
Oh, your mom tell you about me. But, she was easy anyway.
jim
Ah his momma probably told him it was me who kicked his crib over back
when she was working on her back.
She had a choice of 10 or so guys to blame every day and I got the
rap? Eh?
lon...@earthlink.net
to let herself be photographed sitting on the anti-aircraft gun...a
photo she can not escape from or spin. Everything else, including her
visits to our POWs, she makes excuses for.
The only apology I want is for her to look up at the Pearly Gates my
late Marine husband is guarding and scream "I'm sorry" before she
descends into a firey hell for eternity.
And anyone who supports her by buying her trashy, self-serving book is
walking on the fighting side of me and just better stay the hell outta
my way !
Donna
jim
That just about says all that needs to be said!
,
news:d750511r7jaoivpjo...@4ax.com...
Ooh, you're so tough behind your keyboard.
,
<ugly...@NewsReader.Com> wrote in message
news:20050402221248.228$G...@newsreader.com...
That you're a cowardly murdering miscreant comes
as a surprise to no one.
FD
!Jones <f...@foo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 04:18:30 GMT, in alt.war.vietnam "Marcus Aurelius"
> <shaw...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >While I am as incensed as all Vietnam Veterans are at Fonda's words and
> >conduct during and after the War in Vietnam, it is my opinion that we, as
> >Vietnam Veterans, should gracefully accept her apology.
>
> Well, I'd say to accept the fact that she did what she did and that's
> as close to an apology as she's ever likely to get. IMO, we need to
> accept that she is what she is and get over it. It's time to quit
> obsessing over Jane Fonda.
>
> I wouldn't attend an event at which she was speaking; however, I
> wouldn't picket out front, either. I'm going to pay her as little
> attention as possible.
>
> And, yes... I'm even going to forgive her. Not because of anything
> she did one way or the other, but because in this act lies spiritual
> health for *me*.
>
> I declare that the war is over.
>
> Jones
Good for you, Jones. I think she is a surrogate for a lot of the crap we
got stuck with and the support we didn't get, which probably accounts
for the obsessing.
But I won't accept her apology because it isn't, and we can agree that
she is what she is, as long as that is a self serving traitor.
Dr. Qwerty. LTD
at LBJ. one of these days it's gonna bite him in the ass as it has bitten
others of us. when it does he's gonna drop the "me first" attitude like a
hot rock. he's gonna know what it's like to dream the dream....only that
dream isn't heaven on earth...it's a nightmare.
I don't know why Smitty wound up in LBJ but he told us once or twice or
whatever but the fact of it is something over there bothered him and instead
of getting up in the morning and going to work on a/c or recovering a/c he
said fuck it. I hope he's able to retire from his teaching job before he
says "fuck it" once more.
if he wants to "get over" Hanoi Jane it's his privilege...he earned it.
however he has no fucking right whatsoever to tell me or anyone else to "get
over" the bitch or anyone else that has dissed us in the past.
save that warm fuzzy shit for shots of tequila in front of the fireplace.
"FD" <F...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FDC-B0A13F.1...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
FD
!Jones <f...@foo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 20:09:16 GMT, in alt.war.vietnam FD
> <F...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >But I won't accept her apology because it isn't,
>
> Well, you do as you think right... all of us have our baggage in life.
>
> Jones
Amen. Have a good one.
FD
"Dr. Qwerty. LTD" <awrli...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> what Smitty is afraid to admit is he left a bit of himself in the conex city
> at LBJ. one of these days it's gonna bite him in the ass as it has bitten
> others of us. when it does he's gonna drop the "me first" attitude like a
> hot rock. he's gonna know what it's like to dream the dream....only that
> dream isn't heaven on earth...it's a nightmare.
>
> I don't know why Smitty wound up in LBJ but he told us once or twice or
> whatever but the fact of it is something over there bothered him and instead
> of getting up in the morning and going to work on a/c or recovering a/c he
> said fuck it. I hope he's able to retire from his teaching job before he
> says "fuck it" once more.
>
> if he wants to "get over" Hanoi Jane it's his privilege...he earned it.
> however he has no fucking right whatsoever to tell me or anyone else to "get
> over" the bitch or anyone else that has dissed us in the past.
> save that warm fuzzy shit for shots of tequila in front of the fireplace.
>
Everybody has their own way of dealing with the past. But Jane will
never outlive the shit she did. We had prisoners like John McCain being
tortured and murdered not a few miles from where she was doing the dirty
for the NV. And her recent resurfacing and pseudo apology is just about
bucks, and, as usual, at our expense. She should rot in hell.
jim
>In article <8bY3e.7805$c76....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Dr. Qwerty. LTD" <awrli...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> what Smitty is afraid to admit is he left a bit of himself in the conex city
>> at LBJ. one of these days it's gonna bite him in the ass as it has bitten
>> others of us. when it does he's gonna drop the "me first" attitude like a
>> hot rock. he's gonna know what it's like to dream the dream....only that
>> dream isn't heaven on earth...it's a nightmare.
>>
>> I don't know why Smitty wound up in LBJ but he told us once or twice or
>> whatever but the fact of it is something over there bothered him and instead
>> of getting up in the morning and going to work on a/c or recovering a/c he
>> said fuck it. I hope he's able to retire from his teaching job before he
>> says "fuck it" once more.
>>
>> if he wants to "get over" Hanoi Jane it's his privilege...he earned it.
>> however he has no fucking right whatsoever to tell me or anyone else to "get
>> over" the bitch or anyone else that has dissed us in the past.
>> save that warm fuzzy shit for shots of tequila in front of the fireplace.
>>
>
>Everybody has their own way of dealing with the past. But Jane will
>never outlive the shit she did. We had prisoners like John McCain being
>tortured and murdered not a few miles from where she was doing the dirty
>for the NV. And her recent resurfacing and pseudo apology is just about
>bucks, and, as usual, at our expense. She should rot in hell.
One questions says it all: Do you reckon she would be trying to play
nice to us if she were not selling a book? This shit is only good
publicity to sell the damn book. She is using us again. F*** her.
Mac
<undis...@secretlocation.com> wrote:
SNIP
> I could pull her feeding tube in a heartbeat and not lose sleep
> over it.
*************************
>That you're a cowardly murdering miscreant comes
>as a surprise to no one.
*********************
A creature as yourself, with your posting history, gives
even Trolls a bad name...
---Mac
ugly...@newsreader.com
I'm sorry that I ruffled your feathers. Let me put it a
different way, one that a liberal can understand. I could
ask the courts to make a ruling whether or not she should
be removed from her feeding tube.
FD
jim <j...@nomail.com> wrote:
Just this evening she was interviewed on 60 minutes and got nailed
pretty good. Leslie Stahl asked her what she would think of a person who
went over and spent quality time in Iraq with the likes of terrorist
Zarquahri. She was at a loss for words and only stammered a bit. I also
didn't realize she had a meeting with some of our POWs, which really
steamed me. I wonder how many at that table made it out alive.
She gets worser and worser.
jim
I spent 5 years working on POW/MIA issues and met a good number of
POWs from NVN. They were generally very bitter towards her and others
who made their life hell. Viets put them thru the ropes (literally)
to try to coerce meetings with these peace advocates as well as
statements friendly to the enemy. One bashed his face in rather then
meet with them. For it he was tortured badly.
glcn...@qwest.net
"Marcus Aurelius" <shaw...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:q2p3e.6445$c76...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> While I am as incensed as all Vietnam Veterans are at Fonda's words and
> conduct during and after the War in Vietnam, it is my opinion that we, as
> Vietnam Veterans, should gracefully accept her apology.
Bush Whacker
Just hit her where it hurts the most. Spread the words around to people
and urge them not to go see her movie. The older Vietnamese community
hated Jane Fonda more than they hated John Kerry.
Red Jacket
"!Jones" <f...@foo.com> wrote in message
news:uhd0511mg42m76cqk...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 23:41:35 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam Frank Vaughan
> <webmaster...@gunships.org> wrote:
>
> >Not until her apology is complete and without any qualifications
> >or equivocations.
>
> Bah!
>
> Spend the rest of your life worrying about her, then. I'm over her.
> If that's the best she can do, then I'll take it just because I'm sick
> of hearing about her.
>
> Jones
Hey ! You can "plonk" everyone !
That will hurt everyone's feelings.
Red Jacket
>
> Jones
<PLONK!>............HEH........
Red Jacket
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:05:18 -0300, in alt.war.vietnam "Red Jacket"
> <R...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hey, mother fucker! You just hurt my self esteem!
> >>
> >> Jones
> >
> ><PLONK!>............HEH........
>
>
> Jones
ooohhhh nooooooo........
Marcus Aurelius
made an complete, sincere, and unqualified apology for her criminal
,malicious,and traiterous actions during and after the War in Vietnam. Her
statements do not apologise for the same but deceitfully justify these
traiterous actions through terminalogical inexactitudes and specious
sophistries.
Given the above lack of remorse nor shame, I concur with the great majority
of Vietnam Veterans who consider her a war criminal who should be tried and
punished accordingly. Again, I sincerely apologise for my original post
given the above.
I served with the U.S. Army;4th Inf. Div.; 2/8th Inf.;RVN 1969-1970.
Red Jacket
"Marcus Aurelius" <shaw...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:fMb5e.2663$3z3...@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
Tom Lacombe
I am glad she apologized, but it doesn't make any difference to me at
this stage. I decided years ago that for me to be angry at her did me
no good. I don't watch her movies, and will shy away from the shows
that have been giving her airtime recently. The urinal targets in her
name give me a sense of satisfaction.
http://cpcug.org/user/jlacombe/tom.html
i2p6 west
> I am glad she apologized, but it doesn't make any difference to me at
> this stage. I decided years ago that for me to be angry at her did me
> no good. I don't watch her movies, and will shy away from the shows
> that have been giving her airtime recently. The urinal targets in her
> name give me a sense of satisfaction.
Whine whine whine... 5 million people killed as a result of U.S. arrogance
and you little shits want to whine whine whine about lovely Jane.
There is not a better definition of a whiner than such Vietnam vets...
Ha!
dino
>
>Tom Lacombe wrote:
>> I am glad she apologized, but it doesn't make any difference to me at
>> this stage. I decided years ago that for me to be angry at her did me
>> no good. I don't watch her movies, and will shy away from the shows
>> that have been giving her airtime recently. The urinal targets in her
>> name give me a sense of satisfaction.
>
>Whine whine whine...
I'm not whining. The bitch bowed down, begged, and performed obeisance to us...
I could give a shit less whether it was sincere or not... she has finally
realized that her whacked out extreme left liberal Commie ideals are not holding
water anymore...
Ha...
jim
sell books. She hopes to get a rise out of us. May a thousand fleas
crawl up her ass and eat.
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:49:47 GMT, "Marcus Aurelius"
<shaw...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
leto...@nospam.net
You're really mad at your government and can't come to grips with it. Fonda was trying to stop a war that could not be won before more died for nothing! Nixon could have the peace agreement he settled for in jan 1969. He killed 25,000 Americans trying to do better for his record. Nothing more.
At least get mad at the right things if you are going to live all of your life angry over Vietnam.
>Ha...
dino
>
>In <d345v...@drn.newsguy.com>, on 04/07/2005
> at 01:42 PM, dino <dino_...@newsguy.com> said:
>
>>In article <115b4ja...@corp.supernews.com>, i2p6 west says... >
>>>Tom Lacombe wrote:
>>>> I am glad she apologized, but it doesn't make any difference to me at
>>>> this stage. I decided years ago that for me to be angry at her did me
>>>> no good. I don't watch her movies, and will shy away from the shows
>>>> that have been giving her airtime recently. The urinal targets in her
>>>> name give me a sense of satisfaction.
>>>
>>>Whine whine whine...
>
>>I'm not whining. The bitch bowed down, begged, and performed obeisance
>>to us...
>
>>I could give a shit less whether it was sincere or not... she has
>>finally realized that her whacked out extreme left liberal Commie ideals
>>are not holding water anymore...
>
>You're really mad at your government and can't come to grips with it.
I'm not mad at my government...
>Fonda was trying to stop a war that could not be won before more died for
>>nothing!
Fonda was fondling herself because she had a rich and famous daddy... If it
weren't for her daddy, you wouldn't even know that she existed...
When I was in South Vietnam, I met her daddy face to face as a wounded soldier
headed to a hospital... He was a man to respect!
>At least get mad at the right things if you are going to live all of your life
>>angry over Vietnam.
I'm not angry... What is your problem?
I just LOVE the fact that the bitch is now groveling to us...
Ha...
Rita Hansard
> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:49:47 GMT, in alt.war.vietnam "Marcus Aurelius"
> <shaw...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>I sincerely apologise for my original post as I thought that Jane Fonda
>>had
>>made an complete, sincere, and unqualified apology for her criminal
>>,malicious,and traiterous actions during and after the War in Vietnam. Her
>>statements do not apologise for the same but deceitfully justify these
>>traiterous actions through terminalogical inexactitudes and specious
>>sophistries.
>>Given the above lack of remorse nor shame, I concur with the great
>>majority
>>of Vietnam Veterans who consider her a war criminal who should be tried
>>and
>>punished accordingly. Again, I sincerely apologise for my original post
>>given the above.
>>I served with the U.S. Army;4th Inf. Div.; 2/8th Inf.;RVN 1969-1970.
>
> accept Foucaultist power relations or conclude that sexual identity
> has significance, given that Debord's model of conceptualist narrative
> is valid. The subject is interpolated into a postcultural rationalism
> that includes narrativity as a totality. The primary theme of the
> works of Smith is a mythopoetical reality. Therefore, the main theme
> of la Tournier's[1] analysis of conceptualist narrative is not
> sublimation, as Baudrillard would have it, but presublimation.
> Bataille uses the term 'social realism' to denote a self-sufficient
> whole. In the works of Smith, a predominant concept is the concept
> of textual truth. But the creation/destruction distinction which is a
> central theme of Smith's Dogma emerges again in Chasing Amy.
> Baudrillard uses the term 'neodialectic modernist theory' to denote
> the common ground between narrativity and class. If one examines
> Foucaultist power relations, one is faced with a choice: either reject
> precultural deconstruction or conclude that expression is a product of
> the collective unconscious. Therefore, Debord suggests the use of
> social realism to analyse society. The premise of conceptualist
> narrative states that the task of the observer is deconstruction.
> "Class is responsible for the status quo," says Derrida. In a sense,
> Lacan promotes the use of Foucaultist power relations to challenge
> outmoded, colonialist perceptions of sexual identity. Foucault's
> critique of conceptualist narrative holds that academe is
> fundamentally used in the service of hierarchy. "Class is part of
> the futility of truth," says Bataille; however, according to Prinn ,
> it is not so much class that is part of the futility of truth, but
> rather the meaninglessness of class. Thus, the subject is
> contextualised into a Foucaultist power relations that includes
> reality as a paradox. Any number of situationisms concerning social
> realism may be revealed. It could be said that Sontag uses the term
> 'conceptualist narrative' to denote the stasis, and eventually the
> absurdity, of dialectic sexual identity. McElwaine[3] states that the
> works of Smith are not postmodern. However, many narratives
> concerning the bridge between truth and class exist. Lacan suggests
> the use of social realism to modify and analyse society. Therefore,
> the characteristic theme of the works of Smith is the role of the
> artist as writer. A number of discourses concerning conceptualist
> narrative may be found. However, the subject is interpolated into a
> Foucaultist power relations that includes narrativity as a whole. The
> genre, and some would say the paradigm, of conceptualist narrative
> prevalent in Smith's Dogma is also evident in Mallrats, although in a
> more mythopoetical sense. Therefore, if deconstructivist socialism
> holds, we have to choose between conceptualist narrative and the
> postdialectic paradigm of context. In Chasing Amy, Smith deconstructs
> social realism; in Dogma, although, he examines Foucaultist power
> relations. Baudrillard uses the term 'conceptualist narrative' to
> denote not desublimation, but subdesublimation. Prinn[4] implies that
> we have to choose between social realism and materialist theory. In a
> sense, the primary theme of von Junz's[5] analysis of the neocultural
> paradigm of discourse is the difference between reality and society.
> The subject is contextualised into a Foucaultist power relations that
> includes sexuality as a reality. Thus, the premise of dialectic
> Marxism holds that the goal of the observer is significant form, given
> that art is interchangeable with language. Lacan promotes the use of
> social realism to deconstruct capitalism.
"subdesublimation"
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!
Rita
Sharky
>On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:49:47 GMT, in alt.war.vietnam "Marcus Aurelius"
><shaw...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>I sincerely apologise for my original post as I thought that Jane Fonda had
>>made an complete, sincere, and unqualified apology for her criminal
>>,malicious,and traiterous actions during and after the War in Vietnam. Her
>>statements do not apologise for the same but deceitfully justify these
>>traiterous actions through terminalogical inexactitudes and specious
>>sophistries.
>>Given the above lack of remorse nor shame, I concur with the great majority
>>of Vietnam Veterans who consider her a war criminal who should be tried and
>>punished accordingly. Again, I sincerely apologise for my original post
>>given the above.
>>I served with the U.S. Army;4th Inf. Div.; 2/8th Inf.;RVN 1969-1970.
>
>Jones
The main theme of de Selby's critique of Foucaultist power relations
is a mythopoetical totality. In a sense, the primary theme of the
works of Pynchon is not narrative, but postnarrative. If one examines
subdialectic deconstructivist theory, one is faced with a choice:
either accept the patriarchial paradigm of consensus or conclude that
narrative is created by the masses. Hubbard states that the works of
Pynchon are not postmodern. However, Bataille promotes the use of
subdialectic deconstructivist theory to analyse and modify society. In
Mason & Dixon, Pynchon denies the deconstructivist paradigm of
expression; in Vineland, although, he affirms the capitalist paradigm
of discourse. Thus, Debord uses the term 'Foucaultist power relations'
to denote a neostructural whole. Several theories concerning the
difference between class and society exist. Therefore, the subject is
interpolated into a subdialectic deconstructivist theory that includes
art as a paradox. Bataille suggests the use of Foucaultist power
relations to attack sexism. It could be said that Baudrillard's essay
on the capitalist paradigm of discourse implies that sexuality is
capable of intention, given that truth is interchangeable with
consciousness. Pynchon and Foucaultist power relations In the works
of Pynchon, a predominant concept is the concept of cultural reality.
If subcapitalist cultural theory holds, we have to choose between the
capitalist paradigm of discourse and Debordist situation. However,
Bataille uses the term 'Foucaultist power relations' to denote not
dematerialism, but neodematerialism. D'Erlette suggests that the works
of Pynchon are modernistic. It could be said that the premise of the
capitalist paradigm of discourse holds that the purpose of the writer
is deconstruction. The without/within distinction prevalent in
Pynchon's V emerges again in Vineland. But Derrida uses the term
'Foucaultist power relations' to denote the role of the poet as
participant. Marx promotes the use of subdialectic deconstructivist
theory to analyse sexual identity. It could be said that many
narratives concerning capitalist desublimation may be discovered.
Sharky
leto...@nospam.net
If you're not mad at nixon for killing 25,000 Gis that didn't have to die -->then you ought to be. The rest of your claim that you're not mad at the government is denial.
In <d34be...@drn.newsguy.com>, on 04/07/2005
FD
Its much worse than that. In the book that Halderman wrote just prior to
his death, he reveals "Mr. K's Plan" (Henry Kissinger, of course). Nixon
had promised peace in Vietnam during his first campaign, Mr. K came up
with the strategy that if he postponed the Peace in Vietnam to just
prior to his reelection campaign, it would have greater impact for his
reelection. This is exactly what he did, and many (me included) served
and many died in that time span for a foregone result just to give Dick
an edge for his next campaign. Of course, he fucked it up anyway by his
preposterous coverup of Watergate and had to quit the Presidency in
disgrace. If we only knew the rest at that time.....
The gallactic self interest of many of our leaders is beyond belief. The
irony is they depend on the public service of others to serve their own
greed and egos.
Ted Gittinger
> On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 23:41:35 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam Frank Vaughan
> <webmaster...@gunships.org> wrote:
>
>>Not until her apology is complete and without any qualifications
>>or equivocations.
>
> Bah!
>
> Spend the rest of your life worrying about her, then. I'm over her.
> If that's the best she can do, then I'll take it just because I'm sick
> of hearing about her.
>
> Jones
Then do us all a favor and shut the fuck up about her. Nobody is obsessing
about her more than you are.
ted
Don T
an attachment.
--
Don Thompson
Remmy sez,
Count de Monet.
Unless, of course, you are Baroque.
"Ted Gittinger" <tgitting...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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Ted Gittinger
"Don T" <-pain...@louvre.org> wrote in message
news:NNm5e.2703$yq6...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>I sure am glad you were able to kill that advertisement that kept sending
>as an attachment.
Don T., it was a malicious little bitch. Persistent, too. I thought I had
destroyed it several times, and each time after a day or so it would pop up
again. My elder son, who is a computer guru of some sort for the state
comptroller--now there is a snake pit--spent the best part of a Saturday
afternoon cleaning up my machine. Exuding confidence, he sat down at my
keyboard, while I talked with the son of an old, old friend, my wine
merchant. The son owns and tends bar at one of the "great dives" in Austin,
according to a local alternative-culture newspapter. (He had come to visit
and to pick up the engagement ring I had put together for him. It was a
ring to die for; the nicest stone I ever hope to handle; round brilliant,
slightly deep, 1.51 carats, F color and VVSi. The twenty-four smaller
stones sprinkled all over the platinum mounting came to .48 carats. Price:
$10,500, and even at that, a bargain. I insured the big stone before
setting it; that alone cost $400. I wouldn't take his money for putting the
thing together, so he brought me a bottle of vintage port from his Dad's
cellar, Barros colheita 1950, kept in the wood until it was bottled in 2000.
I cannot imagine the occasion when I am going to have the guts to pop the
cork on that one.)
Anyway, after about thirty minutes I heard my son, still at the computer,
say "Uh oh." He had discovered that my McAfee protection, which was paid
for and up to date, wasn't working. When he tried to go to the McAfee web
page, something had blocked him. That was scary. By the end of the
session, my boy had discovered two worms, any amount of spyware and adware,
and a couple of things that he couldn't identify but that looked downright
evil.
So I now have a clean bill of computer health, and a schedule whereby that
blessed elder son comes by at frequent intervals to do the computer
equivalent of an MRI and keep me in business.
It is very early morning just now, and I heard two news items on PBR--yes, I
admit it; I am a closet PBR fan--that struck hard. One was the news that a
certain former roundballer named Havlicek is 65. For the children out there
who read this, that fact won't have much meaning, I admit. The other report
is that the funeral of John Paul II is nearly finished being "celebrated."
That is just the right term to use. His life is worth celebrating.
I get tickled at attempts to classify this pope as a liberal, or as a
conservative for that matter. He was adamantly conservative, without
apology, on such issues as birth control and the celibate, male priesthood.
He was liberal in opposing the war in Iraq, and in calling out to Islam and
to Jewry alike, calling the Jews "our elder brothers," and apologizing for
their past persecutions.
ted
Sixty-five-year-old mackerel snapper, which prolly explains a lot of this
post
Ted Gittinger
"Rita Hansard" <ritah...@numail.org> wrote in message
news:d34cul$c9s$0...@pita.alt.net...
> "subdesublimation"
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!
>
> Rita
A fine example of existential angst.
ted
>
>
i2p6 west
It's good when a bully gets his ass kicked.
The U.S. bully deserved what it got, and it got off easy with only 58,000 dead.
The tragedy is the 5 million innocents murdered by the U.S.
Jane sitting on the AA gun was nothing. Lots of us openly displayed VC flags.
And the "patriots" were too chicken shit to do anything about it.
Who gives a shit about the pathetic whiny had-his-feelings hurt Vietnam vet.
What a fuckin crybaby Loser.
Ha!
i2p6 west
>
> I just LOVE the fact that the bitch is now groveling to us...
Ha Ha Ha!!!
Are you going to buy her book?
(boy, are you stupid)
Ha!
dino
>
>> i2p6 west wrote:
>> Whine whine whine... 5 million people killed as a result of U.S. arrogance
>> and you little shits want to whine whine whine about lovely Jane.
>>
>> There is not a better definition of a whiner than such Vietnam vets...
>>
>> Ha!
>
>It's good when a bully gets his ass kicked.
>
>The U.S. bully deserved what it got, and it got off easy with only 58,000 dead.
>
>The tragedy is the 5 million innocents murdered by the U.S.
>
>Jane sitting on the AA gun was nothing. Lots of us openly displayed VC flags.
>And the "patriots" were too chicken shit to do anything about it.
>
>Who gives a shit about the pathetic whiny had-his-feelings hurt Vietnam vet.
>What a fuckin crybaby Loser.
>
>Ha!
Life must get pretty boring when you have to reply to your own posts...
Or... is that Alzheimer's?
dino
Rita Hansard
I don't know where they come up with those words. My favorite, though, is
when they use the robot to complain about somebody. I think somebody got Tom
Huxton with one a couple of years ago, who finally just said, "That makes no
sense!"
Rita
Ken
>In article <115d8da...@corp.supernews.com>, i2p6 west says...
>>
>>> i2p6 west wrote:
>>> Whine whine whine... 5 million people killed as a result of U.S. arrogance
>>> and you little shits want to whine whine whine about lovely Jane.
>>>
>>> There is not a better definition of a whiner than such Vietnam vets...
>>>
>>> Ha!
>>
>>It's good when a bully gets his ass kicked.
>>
>>The U.S. bully deserved what it got, and it got off easy with only 58,000 dead.
>>
>>The tragedy is the 5 million innocents murdered by the U.S.
>>
>>Jane sitting on the AA gun was nothing. Lots of us openly displayed VC flags.
>>And the "patriots" were too chicken shit to do anything about it.
>>
>>Who gives a shit about the pathetic whiny had-his-feelings-hurt Vietnam vet.
>>What a fuckin crybaby Loser.
>>
>>Ha!
>
>Life must get pretty boring when you have to reply to your own posts...
>
>Or... is that Alzheimer's?
>
>dino
Why do you think the U.S. was a bully? Both of my grandparents say
the U.S. should not have invaded Vietnam. I do not understand why
we did.
I will log on this afternoon (or tonight) to see if you answered.
Ken Whitman
Engineer
"The essay you have just seen is completely meaningless and was
randomly generated by the Postmodernism Generator. To generate another
essay, follow this link. If you like this particular essay and would
like to return to it, follow this link for a bookmarkable page. "
I hope you college perfessors have to wade through more of this.
Engineer
leto...@nospam.net
at 03:08 PM, Matt Osborn said:
>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:48:13 GMT, Ken <kenwh...@noearthlink.com> wrote:
>>Both of my grandparents say
>>the U.S. should not have invaded Vietnam.
>Your grandparents aren't familiar with the Viet Nam saga. It was North
>Viet Nam that invaded South Viet Nam. The US was invited to help South
>Viet Nam repel the invaders.
Stop the lying you idiot. The US stopped the 1956 election, thus insuring there would be no unified Vietnam and a war.
>-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
dino
I just LOVE it when two whacked out liberals get into a hair pulling contest...
dino
leto...@nospam.net
You think Matt Osborn is a liberal? --> I knew you rightwingers got everything ass backwards, but I didn't now you do it at will.
>dino
dino
I was replying to YOUR post, you fucking idiot!
Since you brought the subject up... Read this...
WASHINGTON, DC --- Ted Kennedy, who was recently declared brain-dead by his
physician, is fighting for his life. The Senator's family is trying to have his
feeding tube removed to allow him to die a sober death. The tube, attached to a
bottle of vodka and a bottle of gin, has been utilized by the senator for his
entire adult life. Medical experts believe removal will almost certainly result
in death.
"This is a very complex situation," said one medical expert. "Senator Kennedy
appears to be functioning normally to many people, but it is quite obvious that
the man is brain-dead by his public comments. Most of us in the medical
community think he should be allowed to have a dignified death by sobering him
up and removing his feeding tube."
Liberals were stuck in a quandary today as they discussed Terri Schiavo's death,
but they don't want Ted Kennedy to die. "This is a moral dilemma to many
people," said Robert Wexler, a liberal in Boca Raton.. "Fortunately, most of us
don't really make decisions based on any morals, so it's okay if we want one
person to die while allowing a brain-dead person to live."
Alcohol manufacturers around the world are scrambling to raise money for the
"Keep Kennedy Alive" fund. Removing his feeding tube is predicted to cause a
12% annual decrease in global alcohol consumption assuming Theodore Gittinger
does not die suddenly, which would cause catastrophic losses.
dino
Pepperoni
"dino" <dino_...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:d39ns...@drn.newsguy.com...
xxxxxxsnipxxxxxxxx>
> Alcohol manufacturers around the world are scrambling to raise money for
the
> "Keep Kennedy Alive" fund. Removing his feeding tube is predicted to
cause a
> 12% annual decrease in global alcohol consumption assuming Theodore
Gittinger
> does not die suddenly, which would cause catastrophic losses.
>
> dino
>
Dino....... are you trying to develop a sense of humor?
Well..... keep working at it.
Pepperoni
dino
I was hoping that the Pope would have put a chastity belt around Theodore's
mouth but the good man went and died.
The point is... I told Theodore to leave me alone and I would do the same but
he is as a moth to a flame...
dino (no humor intended)
William Boyd
>
> Ooh, you're so tough behind your keyboard.
>
>
Who is hiding behind their key board, none better than you.
Are you ashamed to own up to who you are when you say those trashie
things about Vietnam Vets. Quite evident you were not around when
the *BITCH* committed *Murder* and she thinks she should be forgiven,
I"LL Pull the switch.
NNTP 68.227.167.28 @cox.net
--
--
Posted by HOPPIE, 30 Years Active Duty ,11 Campaigns Vietnam, Life
Member; Am.Lgn,DAV,VFW,AFSA
leto...@nospam.net
>In article <YpY5e.7979$nH4.3937@trndny05>, leto...@nospam.net says... >
>>In <d39fc...@drn.newsguy.com>, on 04/09/2005
>> at 01:53 PM, dino <dino_...@newsguy.com> said:
>>
>>>In article <Y0X5e.3711$ff4.3623@trndny08>, leto...@nospam.net says... >
>>>>In <qedg51hp14no1b76p...@4ax.com>, on 04/09/2005
>>>> at 03:08 PM, Matt Osborn said:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:48:13 GMT, Ken <kenwh...@noearthlink.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Both of my grandparents say
>>>>>>the U.S. should not have invaded Vietnam.
>>>>
>>>>>Your grandparents aren't familiar with the Viet Nam saga. It was North
>>>>>Viet Nam that invaded South Viet Nam. The US was invited to help South
>>>>>Viet Nam repel the invaders.
>>>>
>>>>Stop the lying you idiot. The US stopped the 1956 election, thus insuring there
>>>>would be no unified Vietnam and a war.
>>
>>>I just LOVE it when two whacked out liberals get into a hair pulling
>>>contest...
>>
>>You think Matt Osborn is a liberal? --> I knew you rightwingers got everything
>>ass backwards, but I didn't now you do it at will.
>I was replying to YOUR post, you fucking idiot!
You used the plural and the word "two" in referring to me and the rightwing nut case osborn -->whom I responded to.
He is not a liberal. I'm not either, but you have trouble with reality so you wouldn't know how to figure that out.
The truth here is you are so fucking mad at what I said, that you can't see straight. You need to get mad at the government that made a war that it could not win -- and sent you to it. -->Just as the same elements have done the same thing in iraq to the sons and daughters of the Vietnam vets.
...Like when will you people learn...
leto...@nospam.net
>, wrote:
>>
>> Ooh, you're so tough behind your keyboard.
>>
>>
>Who is hiding behind their key board, none better than you.
>Are you ashamed to own up to who you are when you say those trashie
>things about Vietnam Vets. Quite evident you were not around when the
>*BITCH* committed *Murder* and she thinks she should be forgiven, I"LL
>Pull the switch.
Well we can document that nixon killed 25,000 Americans. How come you're not bright enough to get mad over that?
>NNTP 68.227.167.28 @cox.net
BigRedWingsFan
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:R__5e.3769$ff4.3417@trndny08...
And how many did JFK & LBJ kill, Turdy? Do try to be fair and balanced in
your anger, won't you?
>
>
>
>>NNTP 68.227.167.28 @cox.net
>
>
Pepperoni
not bright enough to get mad over that?
>
'Cuz they were mostly Democrats............
leto...@nospam.net
You have a problem with reality don't you now. nixon promised to end the war -->and then did just the opposite for his own re-election.
LBJ gave up the Whitehouse because he wanted and end to the war and knew the NV would not work with him (and we have that on tape) -- but we also know the rightwing assholes would not let he just leave Vietnam. When ever someone spoke of it, they were called soft on the commies.
JFK was left a war that no one know much about by Ike. The day after RM took office he found a memo asking from 100,000 more troops in a place called Vietnam. --The Pentagon papers were one result of that memo.
Now stop trying to rewrite history. The fact is nixon could have ended the war in Jan. 1969. He chose not to and killed another 25,000 American boys.
>>
>>
>>
>>>NNTP 68.227.167.28 @cox.net
>>
>>
BigRedWingsFan
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:Do%5e.8901$Xm3.4221@trndny01...
> In <3brd8pF...@individual.net>, on 04/09/2005
> at 08:19 PM, "Bigredwingsfan" <m...@privacy.net> said:
>
>
>><leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>news:R__5e.3769$ff4.3417@trndny08... > In
>><3brc27F...@individual.net>, on 04/09/2005 > at 07:58 PM, William
>>Boyd <willi...@direcway.com> said: >
>>>>, wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ooh, you're so tough behind your keyboard.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Who is hiding behind their key board, none better than you.
>>>>Are you ashamed to own up to who you are when you say those trashie
>>>>things about Vietnam Vets. Quite evident you were not around when the
>>>>*BITCH* committed *Murder* and she thinks she should be forgiven, I"LL
>>>>Pull the switch.
>>>
>>> Well we can document that nixon killed 25,000 Americans. How come
>>> you're
>>> not bright enough to get mad over that?
>
>>And how many did JFK & LBJ kill, Turdy? Do try to be fair and balanced
>>in your anger, won't you?
>
>
> You have a problem with reality don't you now. nixon promised to end the
> war -->and then did just the opposite for his own re-election.
>
> LBJ gave up the Whitehouse because he wanted and end to the war and knew
> the NV would not work with him (and we have that on tape) -- but we also
> know the rightwing assholes would not let he just leave Vietnam. When ever
> someone spoke of it, they were called soft on the commies.
So what you're saying is that LBJ couldn't save face so he just quit.
>
> JFK was left a war that no one know much about by Ike. The day after RM
> took office he found a memo asking from 100,000 more troops in a place
> called Vietnam. --The Pentagon papers were one result of that memo.
>
> Now stop trying to rewrite history. The fact is nixon could have ended
> the war in Jan. 1969. He chose not to and killed another 25,000 American
> boys.
Who's rewriting history, Turd-boy? You are. I don't remember 25,000 KIAs
in the last two years of the war but since you were cleaning shitters in
Okinawa maybe you had "insider" info.
Now answer the fucking question, boy, how many did JFK & LBJ kill? Do try
to be fair and balanced in your anger, won't you? Your credibility gap is
showing once again.
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>NNTP 68.227.167.28 @cox.net
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
William Boyd
Who is this *We* shit, you got a mouse in your pocket. Document it
then if you think you can.
leto...@nospam.net
I said no scuh thing and you know that. LBJ loved America enough to give up the Presidency for her. While nixon killed 25,000 more good Americans before the nation forced him to stop. You knew this, so stop playing dumb.
>>
>> JFK was left a war that no one know much about by Ike. The day after RM
>> took office he found a memo asking from 100,000 more troops in a place
>> called Vietnam. --The Pentagon papers were one result of that memo.
>>
>> Now stop trying to rewrite history. The fact is nixon could have ended
>> the war in Jan. 1969. He chose not to and killed another 25,000 American
>> boys.
>Who's rewriting history, Turd-boy? You are. I don't remember 25,000
>KIAs in the last two years of the war but since you were cleaning
>shitters in Okinawa maybe you had "insider" info.
Just read the casualty lists. The dates of death don't lie. Even though you are trying to. -->You see that is the difference between rightwingers and the rest of us. We can deal with facts we don't like and adjust to reality. You people can't.
>Now answer the fucking question, boy, how many did JFK & LBJ kill? Do
>try to be fair and balanced in your anger, won't you? Your credibility
>gap is showing once again.
Any evidence either one of the killed so they stay Mr. President -->Like nixon did? -->If not, you lose your point.
...And you do lose it. Now learn to shut up and stop playing rightwing idiot.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>NNTP 68.227.167.28 @cox.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
leto...@nospam.net
So you admit that rightwing idiots are gutless -->just like I say. Thanks. Its about time!
***-->What this nation needs is a draft that sends all the rightwing warmongers off to war -->Until there aren't any left.
leto...@nospam.net
>leto...@nospam.net wrote:
>> In <3brc27F...@individual.net>, on 04/09/2005
>> at 07:58 PM, William Boyd <willi...@direcway.com> said:
>>
>>
>>>, wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Ooh, you're so tough behind your keyboard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Who is hiding behind their key board, none better than you.
>>>Are you ashamed to own up to who you are when you say those trashie
>>>things about Vietnam Vets. Quite evident you were not around when the
>>>*BITCH* committed *Murder* and she thinks she should be forgiven, I"LL
>>>Pull the switch.
>>
>>
>> Well we can document that nixon killed 25,000 Americans. How come you're not bright enough to get mad over that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>NNTP 68.227.167.28 @cox.net
>>
>>
>>
>Who is this *We* shit, you got a mouse in your pocket. Document it then
>if you think you can.
Hey dumb shit -- Did you ever read the Vietnam casualty list with dates? Or visit the wall? Do you know what an apex is? The apex of that wall marks the all those who died from Ike to LBJ. The other half marks the dead under nixon. 25,000 of the 58,000 who died were killed by nixon's choice.
Do try to get it now. If the truth hurts, take extra pills and sleep on it.
Pepperoni
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:5R%5e.2886$ok4.1093@trndny07...
>
> So you admit that rightwing idiots are gutless -->just like I say. Thanks.
Its about time!
>
> ***-->What this nation needs is a draft that sends all the rightwing
warmongers off to war -->Until there aren't any left.
I spent 19 months in country, 10 1/2 of those in the field. How much combat
time do you have, Leto???
Horvath
>
>Well we can document that nixon killed 25,000 Americans. How come you're not bright enough to get mad over that?
Nixon killed nobody, but the two Ted Kennedy killed piss me off.
Hor...@Horvath.net
My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."
i2p6 west
>
>> Ooh, you're so tough behind your keyboard.
>
> Who is hiding behind their key board, none better than you.
> Are you ashamed to own up to who you are when you say those trashie
> things about Vietnam Vets.
Ha Ha Ha!!!
You shitheads are pretty brave now that the anti-war movement has faded into history.
But, shithead, why were YOU such a chicken shit when I was waving my NLF flag.
(assuming you aren't too stupid to know what NLF is)
And, shithead, why were YOU too chicken shit back then to have lovely Jane arrested.
And, shithead, why are YOU too chicken shit RIGHT NOW to have lovely Jane arrested.
Oh...you're chicken shit. We can see.
Now go take your meds, you brave brave usenet chicken shit crybaby Vietnam vet.
Ha!
Mac
---Mac
i2p6 west
>>>>Whine whine whine... 5 million people killed as a result of U.S. arrogance
>>>>and you little shits want to whine whine whine about lovely Jane.
>>>>
>>>>There is not a better definition of a whiner than such Vietnam vets...
>>>>
>>>>Ha!
>>>
>>>It's good when a bully gets his ass kicked.
>>>
>>>The U.S. bully deserved what it got, and it got off easy with only 58,000 dead.
>>>
>>>The tragedy is the 5 million innocents murdered by the U.S.
>>>
>>>Jane sitting on the AA gun was nothing. Lots of us openly displayed VC flags.
>>>And the "patriots" were too chicken shit to do anything about it.
>>>
>>>Who gives a shit about the pathetic whiny had-his-feelings-hurt Vietnam vet.
>>>What a fuckin crybaby Loser.
>>>
>>>Ha!
>
> the U.S. should not have invaded Vietnam. I do not understand why
> we did.
You should have posted this question to me, not dino. I'll give you the
best answer: get a good history book and read about it. The best book is
probably "Vietnam A History" by Stanley Karnow. Karnow was in Vietnam
for many years and has personally talked to many of the major people, on
all sides. Be sure to get the 1995 edition. Don't expect to get much
out of ANY usenet newsgroup; they are filled with angry and bottom-of-the-barrel
losers.
The U.S. military lost the war...now take a look around and ask yourself
what did we lose. What would be different if we had "won"? Either way,
was it worth the millions of dead?
Here are some FAQs:
--------------------------------------------------
2.1 What was the cause of the Vietnam war?
For the Vietnamese people: independence from foreign governments
For the French government: maintaining a colonial empire
For the U.S. government:
- In 1945: backing the French colonialist ally.
- In 1950: "fighting communism"
("fighting communism" is in quotes because many people believe that was
not the real motive. The real motive was "access to resources", coupled
with strong racism toward Asian people. Even before "communism" entered
the scene. See President Eisenhower's "domino theory" speech, and FAQ 2.4.
After 1967, the U.S. position turned into "saving face".)
--------------------------------------------------
2.2 What is the history of the war?
It took 30 years for the Vietnamese to achieve independence
(1945-1975).
1858 - French military begins the colonial period
1945 - Ho Chi Minh declares independence
1954 - French (and U.S.) defeated at Dien Bien Phu
1973 - U.S. "withdraws" combat troops from Vietnam
1975 - Total victory for Vietnamese independence
--------------------------------------------------
2.3 When did the U.S. first become involved in Vietnam?
1945 - OSS (CIA) was there
1945 - U.S. ships bring in 13,000 French colonial troops
1950 - U.S. military "advisors" help the French
1950 - 40 US Navy F-6F Hellcats arrived in Saigon
1953 - USAF Major David Saylor flies 89 combat missions for French
1954 - U.S. secret (from the American people) sabotage units
1955 - U.S. military "advisors" in "South" Vietnam
1957 - First U.S. combat death
1961 - U.S. aircraft carrier carrying Army helicopters arrived in Saigon
1962 - U.S. bombs Vietnam
1964 - U.S. naval ships in Vietnamese waters
1965 - Public arrival of U.S. combat troops
--------------------------------------------------
2.4 The U.S. was there to defend democracy, wasn't it?
No. In fact, the U.S. was there to PREVENT an election
in which the CIA had determined that a communist (Ho Chi Minh) would be
overwhelmingly elected as President.
The U.S. propped up a military dictatorship to "fight communism".
The U.S. did not care at all about the Vietnamese people. Vietnam
is 10,000 miles from the U.S. and the vast majority of U.S. citizens
had never even heard of Vietnam (there was no English language history
of Vietnam available anywhere until 1958.)
U.S. society was a strongly racist society against Asians (and all
non-whites) and we generally were taught that Asians were inferior. Our
arrogance was a prime cause of the war as Americans thought that this little
insignificant country would be easily crushed by the far superior U.S. military.
During the war many U.S. soldiers openly referred to Vietnamese people as
"gooks", "slopes", or "dinks" (which included our allies the "South" Vietnam
people). Many soldiers gave up trying to distinguish the friend from the enemy as
evidenced by a phrase made popular during the war: "Kill 'em all and let
God sort it out".
--------------------------------------------------
dino
>
>In <d39ns...@drn.newsguy.com>, on 04/09/2005
> at 04:18 PM, dino <dino_...@newsguy.com> said:
>
>>In article <YpY5e.7979$nH4.3937@trndny05>, leto...@nospam.net says... >
>>>In <d39fc...@drn.newsguy.com>, on 04/09/2005
>>> at 01:53 PM, dino <dino_...@newsguy.com> said:
>>>
>>>>In article <Y0X5e.3711$ff4.3623@trndny08>, leto...@nospam.net says... >
>>>>>In <qedg51hp14no1b76p...@4ax.com>, on 04/09/2005
>>>>> at 03:08 PM, Matt Osborn said:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:48:13 GMT, Ken <kenwh...@noearthlink.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Both of my grandparents say
>>>>>>>the U.S. should not have invaded Vietnam.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Your grandparents aren't familiar with the Viet Nam saga. It was North
>>>>>>Viet Nam that invaded South Viet Nam. The US was invited to help South
>>>>>>Viet Nam repel the invaders.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stop the lying you idiot. The US stopped the 1956 election, thus insuring there
>>>>>would be no unified Vietnam and a war.
>>>
>>>>I just LOVE it when two whacked out liberals get into a hair pulling
>>>>contest...
>>>
>>>You think Matt Osborn is a liberal? --> I knew you rightwingers got everything
>>>ass backwards, but I didn't now you do it at will.
>
>>I was replying to YOUR post, you fucking idiot!
>
>You used the plural and the word "two" in referring to me and the rightwing nut
>case osborn -->whom I responded to.
I was referring to you and Ken Whitman, i2P6 west, or whatever identity he has
chosen for the moment.
>He is not a liberal. I'm not either, but you have trouble with reality so you
>wouldn't know how to figure that out.
I wasn't referring to Matt.
>The truth here is you are so fucking mad at what I said, that you can't see
>straight. You need to get mad at the government that made a war that it could
>not win -- and sent you to it. -->Just as the same elements have done the same
>thing in iraq to the sons and daughters of the Vietnam vets.
I'm not mad at you; I'm laughing at you because you're a fucking idiot. Do I
need to write ha,ha,ha,ha to prove that you're a laughing stock?
>...Like when will you people learn...
Like man... can you dig it? Be kool daddy-o...
dino
leto...@nospam.net
Stop the back-peddling Dino. You brain farted on your post. Its time to zip it for awhile.
In <d3b4u...@drn.newsguy.com>, on 04/10/2005
BigRedWingsFan
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:4R%5e.2885$ok4.1650@trndny07...
A nice way of saying that LBJ couldn't save face so he just quit.
>While nixon killed 25,000 more good Americans before the nation forced him
>to stop. You knew this, so stop playing dumb.
See figures below. It's obvious you aren't "playing dumb", you're really
dumb.
>
>
>>>
>>> JFK was left a war that no one know much about by Ike. The day after RM
>>> took office he found a memo asking from 100,000 more troops in a place
>>> called Vietnam. --The Pentagon papers were one result of that memo.
>>>
>>> Now stop trying to rewrite history. The fact is nixon could have ended
>>> the war in Jan. 1969. He chose not to and killed another 25,000 American
>>> boys.
>
>>Who's rewriting history, Turd-boy? You are. I don't remember 25,000
>>KIAs in the last two years of the war but since you were cleaning
>>shitters in Okinawa maybe you had "insider" info.
>
> Just read the casualty lists. The dates of death don't lie. Even though
> you are trying to. -->You see that is the difference between rightwingers
> and the rest of us. We can deal with facts we don't like and adjust to
> reality. You people can't.
1969 - 11614 (only 11 months of this total should be during Nixon's
presidency since he wasn't sworn in until late Jan69, so there were about
10,646 that can be counted)
1970 - 6083
1971 - 2357
1972 - 640
1973 - 168
Total - 19,894 maximum during Nixon's presidency. This total includes
deaths as a result of wounds from previous administrations (remember JFK &
LBJ?), but still, less than 20,000 directly attributable to Nixon which is a
far cry from the 25,000 you bluster on like an old woman about, Turdy. You
should practice what you preach when it comes to using facts. Remember
this, Le'Turd, Nixon ended the war, LBJ escalated it.
>
>
>
>>Now answer the fucking question, boy, how many did JFK & LBJ kill? Do
>>try to be fair and balanced in your anger, won't you? Your credibility
>>gap is showing once again.
>
> Any evidence either one of the killed so they stay Mr. President -->Like
> nixon did? -->If not, you lose your point.
A nice way of saying that LBJ couldn't save face so he just quit.
>
> ...And you do lose it. Now learn to shut up and stop playing rightwing
> idiot.
Maybe I should start keeping score like Sparky does, you lose every time you
post.
>
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>NNTP 68.227.167.28 @cox.net
>>>>>
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>
>
>
leto...@nospam.net
So you have a point here -->other then nixon (according to your unchecked figures) only killed 20,000 Americnas who didn't have to die -->instead of the 25,000 I cited -->in his plan to be president again?
Funny how the guys who built the Vietnam Wall got it all wrong -->according to you -->And no one has found that out yet. Lots of good brains on that job, and no one figure out to check when the guys died I guess...
In <3bsrj4F...@individual.net>, on 04/10/2005
leto...@nospam.net
So you have a point here -->other then nixon (according to your unchecked figures) only killed 20,000 Americnas who didn't have to die -->instead of the 25,000 I cited -->in his plan to be president again?
Funny how the guys who built the Vietnam Wall got it all wrong -->according to you -->And no one has found that out yet. Lots of good brains on that job, and no one figure out to check when the guys died I guess...
In <3bsrj4F...@individual.net>, on 04/10/2005
BigRedWingsFan
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:RHf6e.3722$Fm5.2504@trndny09...
>
> So you have a point here -->other then nixon (according to your unchecked
> figures) only killed 20,000 Americnas who didn't have to die -->instead of
> the 25,000 I cited -->in his plan to be president again?
Unchecked? Perhaps in your moment of hysteria while having another one of
your hissy fits after being proven wrong once
again (as always, actually), you missed the link I provided:
http://thewall-usa.com/stats/. And since you are so concerned with facts,
you also must have missed the fact that LBJ escalated the war, Nixon ended
it, before his first term was completed. Your so-called stats were more
than 25% inflated in your quest to discredit a Republican president while
completely exonerating LBJ for escalating the war to the point it couldn't
be won then running away from the presidency because he couldn't save face.
Shame on you and your lack of truthfulness, but you've never been known for
honesty have you?
>
> Funny how the guys who built the Vietnam Wall got it all
> wrong -->according to you -->And no one has found that out yet. Lots of
> good brains on that job, and no one figure out to check when the guys died
> I guess...
Ask these guys, Le'Turd: http://thewall-usa.com/stats/, it's not "according
to me", which is all your posts seems to be since you have NEVER offered any
proof of your maniacal claims. Must be caused by the fumes from the
Lime-Away you used cleaning those shitters in Okinawa.
BigRedWingsFan
post this tripe twice?
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:H2g6e.2269$ha3.2123@trndny02...
leto...@nospam.net
You lose lifer --> the issue is nixon going on with a war knowing he could not win -->so he could be reelected. Thus, KILLING thousands of Americans for nothing.
You are avoiding the point, thus proving you are a lifer righwing asshole.
In <3btkauF...@individual.net>, on 04/10/2005
leto...@nospam.net
I'm not upset at all asshole. It was software problem. Now, how come you don't have the balls to comment on nixon killing 20,000 American's so he could be a winning war president and get reelected?
Its the same thing your other rightwing hero bush is doing now. Too bad idiots like you can't be sent there tomorrow.
-->What this nation needs is a draft that sends all the rightwing warmongers off to war -->Until there aren't any left.
In <3btkcqF...@individual.net>, on 04/10/2005
BigRedWingsFan
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:p2j6e.9650$Xm3.3385@trndny01...
>
> You lose lifer --> the issue is nixon going on with a war knowing he
> could not win -->so he could be reelected. Thus, KILLING thousands of
> Americans for nothing.
In other words, you know you are wrong and haven't a leg to stand on to
debate the issues, like how come you never have anything to say about LBJ
killing 38,000 men & women and then running away from finishing the job and
why it took Nixon only 3 years into his FIRST term as president to get us
out of Viet Nam. Remember this, LeTurd, LBJ escalated & Nixon ended.
>
> You are avoiding the point, thus proving you are a lifer righwing asshole.
No, Turdlet, I made the point, you're a loser who was never anything more
than a fucking latrine cleaning janitor in Okinawa and probably haven't
amounted to any higher stature in your miserable life. And by the way, you
forgot to tell us how the folks at http://thewall-usa.com/stats/ proved your
made up "facts" to be incorrect.
BigRedWingsFan
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:n2j6e.9649$Xm3.7821@trndny01...
>
> I'm not upset at all asshole. It was software problem.
Operator headspace empty is more like it.
>Now, how come you don't have the balls to comment on nixon killing 20,000
>American's so he could >be a winning war president and get reelected?
How about LBJ killing 38,000 and running away from it and Nixon ENDING it 3
years into his FIRST term?
>
> Its the same thing your other rightwing hero bush is doing now. Too bad
> idiots like you can't be sent there tomorrow.
>
> -->What this nation needs is a draft that sends all the rightwing
> warmongers off to war -->Until there aren't any left.
No, what this nation really needs is a means of putting loonies like you
away permanently.
leto...@nospam.net
Grow up lifer. The issue is nixon killing 20,000 American's because he wanted to be reelected. Now focus or learn to shut up whne you have lost.
In <3btt8qF...@individual.net>, on 04/10/2005