STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN-REBUTTAL
DGVREIMAN
STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
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http://tinyurl.com/2e3ppxy 10/08/24 The SteveL criminal cyberstalker
background.
If you wish to believe what this SteveL says about me, then you must
also believe all of his hate and lies about our troops, America and
other veterans, and support his obvious love for the radical Muslim
terrorists. Good luck with that -see below.
Note above SteveL called our Marines fighting in Fallujah
"Murderers" - you might start to see the basis for such false
accusations from SteveL in the post below - he obviously hates America
and believes it is totally corrupt. And this clown has been embraced
by Tom Rau, Nigel Brooks and other so-called Veterans as someone that
does not lie and is a member of their little smear cabal? Veterans?
I am beginning to wonder.
STEVEL TRUE COLORS
Way back in 2002 I started to learn the truth about this SteveL
anonymous cyberstalker. In this exchange with me you can clearly see
the SteveL hate America propaganda, and the lies and fraud he is
posting about the USA and its troops. Note this SteveL anonymous
cyberstalker is a key member of the Nigel Brooks hate/smear/con gang -
which makes you wonder about which side that gang is really on since
another member of that gang boasted about visiting Muslim Mosques
about me and broke into my personal VA medical files, and then he and
other members of this gang trafficked in that private information and
even posted some of it on USENET! What a hate gang ol Nigel Brooks
has put together!
See below for all the hate America statements this SteveL clown
posted - and see the real reason he follows me from group to group
with false accusations, hate, serial lying, stalking and harassment -
this clown hates me and everything I stand for - which is to support
the USA and our troops.
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:06:38 GMT
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:30:10 GMT, "DGVREIMAN"
<dggr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>Doug Says: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it
>probably is a duck.
> Your anti-American cynical and paranoiac
>hatred of America >, based exclusively upon your version of some
>kind of "attack" America perpetrated on Guatemala in 1954
>, (which >in truth consisted of only about 50 CIA operatives
SteveL said:
I don't hate America, you idiot. I disagree with its foreign policy!
*
Doug Says: Why? Because I noted that you were attacking our troops
and country based upon what our *elected* officials decided to do in
respect to Foreign Policy? Your pro-communist hype is noted, and like
I said, "if it quacks like a duck..."
SteveL said about Central/South America:
***the US planned the coup for at least two years - and even had
another one in the works earlier
that got canned. That's an attack *by* the US by any sane person's
definition.
***Even if the attack only involved 50 US citizens, the US's use of
proxy armies is nothing new, and does not diminish its primary
responsibility for it.
Doug Says: A planned coup against a radical communist dictator is a
"coup" not an "attack" by our military like you mischaracterized. Now
you are backpedaling as usual whenever you are proved a liar.
SteveL said:
***The first quarter of the 20th Century saw numerous invasions and
excursions by US troops in Honduras, Panama, Nicaragua and others.
*** The US (we) (or our business interests themselves) had coups
engineered *solely* to aid business interests, and repeated invasions
to bring"business friendly" kinds of dictatorships to power in the
region.
***I don't accept that it's "inane" to argue that this motivation (for
the US to attack) was still there during the Cold War. Nor that
exactly the same actions against governments continued, but now for
reasons of "anti-communism".
***I don't accept that it's "stupid" to claim the US might falsely
accuse governments of communism to get the support of the US domestic
population for yet another in a long line of overthrows.
***Nor is it stupid to claim that cynical, career minded politicians
might want to have their cake and eat it when they sanction the next
bit of required dirty work, and get praised for
fighting communism at the same time.
Doug Says: Your dislike of the US and its government clearly indicates
to me you lack the ability to back up your claims against it with
anything other than subjective bullshit. And your Zemurray cite has
nothing to do with the USA, its foreign policy, nor this topic. You
are accusing the US Government of abject fraud and murder for
"business interests" of our politicians with some false excuse that
we were fighting communism. If you are going to make such claims, you
sure as hell need some proof - but none exists. Your communist
sympathies are obvious.
SteveL said:
***An *elected* *Capitalist* President, yet another in a long line of
progressive Latin American leaders shit-canned for the sake our (US)
business interests, whose government committed the capital crime of
*buying* *uncultivated* and *undeveloped* land from an American
company, at the price the UFC itself declared it was worth, and even
worse, making it available for some poor farmers to try to get ahead.
*** I read your continuing false claims about their "taking" land the
poor old UFC had "developed", threatening the jobs of people working
for it. In fact, the UFC (Communists) didn't lose an ounce of produce
or a penny of profit. Yet more unsurprisingly fabricated
justifications from you..
Doug Says: You are delusional as usual. Communists are communists -
and your claim that the social benefits the communist government of
Arbenz claimed they would provide (never did due to corruption) and
ignoring the land that was seized by Arbenz from the UFC had spent its
money on developing, to support communism in general, is very
revealing of your true pro-communist character.
SteveL said:
***I know your comeback will be that the Brits didn't murder their own
citizens, but nowhere, even in your 1000 line long "Guatemala
Deceptions" post, nor the released NSA papers, has this even been
*alleged* (except by you, and maybe some other right-wing loonies) let
alone proven.
***Arbenz was good for his country because he looked after his people
and tried to give *them* a fair shake - to the slight inconvenience of
the UFC. Unfortunately, that's why he was bad for Samual Zemurray and
the UFC, and by extension the US, and he had to go
in the way governments had been swept clean routinely for the same
reason.
>) while
>ignoring the millions of people Stalin murdered
SteveL said (while hiding the basis for my statement above as usual):
Or you can just fuck off. Christ you're quite the smear artist aren't
you? Ever thought of politics? You'd be a natural. I'd hate to see
what you'd do in power though.
,
SteveL went on to say:
***What a fruitcake!! Well if that's what counts as evidence of
communism to you (and I suspect it *does* to a large section of US
foreign policy planners too), I am deeply unsurprised
that the Arbenz counted as a communist to you (or them).
***Thank you. I've always suspected dishonesty, dirty tricks,
paranoia, and simple stupidity was behind a lot of the US's foreign
policy in the region. ***
Doug Said:
>Or, you have been indoctrinated
>by a Communist, or you *should* be a Communist if you are not
>already. I can find no other plausible reasonwhy your posts would be
>so pejoratively inane. Now if you have a reason, let's
>hear it.
***Pass. You haven't earned it. This is futile, and not for the
reasons you will make up for me after I stop reading this thread. You
are, quite simply, nuts, and a more dishonest debater I've yet to see.
(Note that when SteveL loses a debate and wants to hide the truth
then his opposition is always "dishonest." according to him).
End - the indictment of the USA by this SteveL clown is obvious by
reading the exchange above.
He blames the USA for murdering civilians right and left, not to
defeat communism, but simply to make money. He reminds me of one of
these morons that shows up at IMF meetings to protest Capitalism in
general - what do we call those folks again? Oh yeah - Communists or
Anarchists.
This SteveL anonymous cyberstalker is a key and highly vocal member
of the Nigel Brooks hate/smear/con gang. SteveL uses anonymous cyber
stalking to attack, smear, harass and stalk real Veterans and of
course he has never spent a day in the military in his pathetic life.
Now we know what these Nigel Brooks key gang members really think of
America and our troops defending it. You should see what this SteveL
clown said about our Vietnam war - coming up!
Doug Grant (Tm)
SteveL
wrote:
>
>STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
>
But I don't really exist according to you. I'm an ethereal non-person
with no rights because you don't have my real name. You are on record
saying you can say whatever you want to say, tell any lie you want
about me and I have no come back because I use a handle.
Why then do you spend so much time and effort trying to smear this
ghost?
At any rate. I don't have to defend myself against your yellow smears.
You really fucked up quoting *that* thread.
Here is the thread you're talking about, without your self-serving
creative edits and editorializing.
Message-ID: <JeyL8.14072$rX.26...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>
or
http://tinyurl.com/38q7qvh
I don't take back a word of what I said *there*. (Interested parties
might want to compare the real deal with Doug's version above, but
then again I can understand why that might be too boring)
BTW Doug this is the thread where
1) you bragged to Josh Dougherty that
"Josh I fought in Nicaragua I know that Jungle well." (post 187)
2) Someone named Abdul first posted the entertaining Doug Grant FAQ
(Post 55)
3) and you flat out denied you knew Abdul even though he had been an
arch-rival in the blackjack group (Post 59)
4) You told David Snedeker:
"I have a PhD., speak five languages and I have lived all over the
world." (post 88)
Not one of your finest hours - honesty-wise. In fact it's come back to
haunt you in several ways.
Yes I remember that thread well, and I've enjoyed reading it again. It
was one of my first contacts with you Doogie, and your behavior in
that thread certainly made an impression - even before we knew you
were telling constant lies about yourself.
You called everyone who disagreed with you a "Communist" - right off
the bat. You called David Snedeker communist *and* a queer. Hell you
even seriously claimed that Josh and I were in a Communist/Terrorist
"cell" together. How to debate a case on its merits, eh?
And this from the guy who argued himself into the dirt that Canada is
a Communist country.....
Other fun bits:
You calling Josh and I "Communists" when we mentioned the CIA
PBFORTUNE operation in Guatemala, and flat out denied that the
operation existed (as if you would know), but missed the fact that the
text of *your own post!* confirmed the operation's existence!! That
incompetence was very funny (Post 18 and following).
Even funnier was when Josh and I had a little laugh at you for not
reading your own references before posting, you called us liars and
claimed you'd never denied the operation's existence! - even with the
denial in plain sight two posts up.
I especially liked it when you ended up trying to reverse our roles.
What had made me a "communist" in your eyes initially was my case that
the US was pragmatically protecting its resources in Central America
and often used the communist scare as cover to get rid of leaders
threatening to disturb the economic status quo for our companies down
there.
At first you blustered the US would never do such a thing before
changing tack and trying lecture *me* that "America is in
the business of serving and satisfying Americans and their
business interests. That fact has never been hidden, and is well
known. But it is something you seem not to understand. " (Post 24)
Absolutely jaw-dropping. So amazing that my fellow contributer emailed
out of the blue to ask "Wow!! Is this guy DGVREIMAN for REAL????"
It was then that I understood something of your unique psychology
Doug. that you are literally incapable of admitting the
tiniest error, and will employ all manner of lies and rhetorical
tricks to cover your tracks - even adopting your opponents' case as
your own!
Thanks for the reminder of that early thread.
No, not one of your finest hours.
You can fuck off and die now.
Nigel Brooks
"SteveL" <stev...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote in message
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When challenged on those whoppers years later our hero claimed that the PhD
was an honorary one conferred on him by a Gaming School in the State of New
York that he owned stock in.
Knowing full well Reiman's propensity for mischaracterizing the facts and
rewriting history, any evaluation of his comments about having a PhD need to
be predicated on the understanding that the acronym PhD means Philosophiæ
Doctor (Doctor of Philosophy).
The PhD is of course the highest degree that an individual may earn in the
United States and most countries of the English speaking world, it is rarely
if ever granted on an honorary basis.
Which brings us to the discussion. Assuming en arguendo that Reiman did
have an honorary degree - why bring it up in the discussion. An honorary
degree carries with it no particular standing and certainly did not require
all of the criteria needed for matriculation that a Doctorate from a
recognized institution of higher learning would have.
The only logical conclusion can be that it was introduced into the
discussion in order to lend some kind of credibility to the credentials of
one of the discussion participants. Would it not have been more honest to
state "I have an honorary PhD".
Either way - The claim of having a PhD from a gaming school, has about the
same impact as me claiming a PhD from the Comedy School of Driving.
As for the Nicaragua bit - we've been over that time and time again. It is
clear from reviewing his past braggadocio that he was inferring that he had
served in the Military in Nicaragua.
Dec 17, 2001 - "After 2&1/2 tours in Vietnam, a Tour in South America, and a
Tour in Korea"
Apr 4, 2002 - "I spent two tours of duty in Vietnam, and one tour in Korea
advising Korean troops on how to fight the Viet Cong and NVA I also spent a
tour of duty in South America fighting terrorists."
May 1, 2002 - "Actually David, in addition to Vietnam and Korea you forgot
South America, Cambodia and Laos."
May 12, 2002 - "(I fought Cuban soldiers personally, they actually ran
faster than the Viet Cong...if that is possible.)"
Jun 8, 2002 - ""Josh" I fought in Nicaragua I know that Jungle well."
Jun 14, 2002 - David Snedeker - " And Doug? Just where in South America did
you fight as a member of the US Army? We all want to hear you talk your way
out of that boast."
"Doug Says: Dave, unless you are really the drooling fool you appear to be,
you can find out where the US Army stationed Delta Team members throughout a
very long period of time. The US Army
has had troops in South America for about 50 years. Now if you are an
American, you would know that. But clearly you are not an American, at
least not a real one."
Now if you want to know details of my assignments in the US Military, I can
tell you where I was, but not exactly what I did. That information is
classified. "
No matter what spin Reiman tries to put on the above exchanges it is clear
that he was attempting to infer that he had served as a member of the US
Military in South America, Nicaragua, and had fought Cuban Soldiers.
I have the utmost confidence that any impartial observer would come to the
same conclusion as have I and others.
That being said - the observation that Reiman is incapable of admitting the
tiniest error, and will employ all manner of lies and rhetorical tricks to
cover his tracks is spot on target.
Nigel Brooks
That's a silly question. Of course you have. So have I. We all have. You've
been misinformed. You've miscalculated. You've learned better. However you
want to say it, you've been wrong.
Here's a tougher question:
Have you ever admitted being wrong?
There's nothing wrong with being wrong from time to time. That's one way we
learn-by making mistakes. It's better if you're wrong on issues that aren't
matters of life and death. There is something very wrong with never being
wrong or being incapable of publicly admitting you were wrong.
SteveL
wrote:
Indeed. that thread is a gold mine of bragging bullshit from Doogie.
Another classic in that very thread:
Doug Says: My claim of expertise in respect to South America is
that I lived there, and fought there for the United States Army.
Now what is your claim of expertise on this subject? I also
spent 2&1/2 tours of duty in Vietnam, one Tour in Korea, a couple
of tours in Europe (Post 90)
Also some laughable historical ignorance and stupidity.
Doug Says: The election was a fraud, Arevalo was a drug
trafficker and completely corrupt. Arbenz was worse. Crime was
rampant, and Fidel's communists and drug runners were running the
country.
(So Doug thinks Fidel Castro was running Guatemala and had Arbenz in
his pocket more than five years before he overthrew Batista)
etc. etc. I'm really glad Doogie brought this one up.
John MacDonald
wrote:
>Have you ever been wrong?
I was wrong to think that the VC wouldn't hit me when they were
shooting at me in the Delta.
No ...wait a minute...that's not right....they didn't hit me.
So I guess I've never been wrong (Yeah, right)
Echo Company, 2nd Bn, 39th Infantry, 9th ID, 1967-68 (One Tour)
John MacDonald
Oh no! Now I've done it. I've joined a gang.
And here I was so careful, for more than14 years not to. Unless of
course you don't count the CWL (proud to be member 239 of that august
body)
MAC
>STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
>My standard disclaimer applies:
SNIP
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And, once again, Doug Grant continues his threats regarding
lawsuits and does not provide the name of the alleged attorneys, the
date they allegedly "filed" the documents, the jurisdiction of the
Court, the Court document numbers... and, of course, although he
claims such was done, he still has not provided the officer
contacted and the location of the institutions he loudly proclaimed
he contacted... i.e., the office of a U.S. Attorney, the office of the
F.B.I., etc., etc., etc.
Says quite a bit regarding his usual threats and manner of
operating.
-Mac, the Medic
Nigel Brooks
"John MacDonald" <anoth...@no-spam.com> wrote in message
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I have a 9th Div story (actually I have a couple - but I'll save one for
later). Now before I start, let me preface this by saying this is the
honest truth, and it is in no way intended to denigrate those who like a
little nightcap on occasion.
Further, I anticipate that a certain subscriber to this newsgroup will
attempt to make more out of this than what it is by mischaracterizing the
facts etc etc etc. But seeing as how I don't give a shit what he thinks or
says - I'll go on.
Anyway - here goes.
As most folks know by now I was a draftee in Vietnam and my MOS was of the
same job series as another who probably has the record for postings in this
newsgroup (71H). I was a damn good personnel specialist too - and I ensured
that all those who met the qualifications in the units we serviced were
promoted in accordance with the USARV regs.
I was with USARV before the HQ's even envisioned packing up lock stock and
barrel to the new area at Long Binh. We were based just outside the Tan Son
Nhut Air Base at Phu Nuan. Where the old French Golf Coarse was located.
Many is the night that I lay in the links on Reactionary Force duty because
of an alert. Those times are "seared" into my memory as is the night of
December 4, 1966 when the 14th VC battalion came under the wire.
Luckily for those of us in the USARV sector, the enemy elected to attack the
airbase part of the area. The Golf Course came through the attack
completely unscathed and no golf balls were lost.
Anyway - a few weeks later, two of the guy's in the awards section were
rotating back to the States, it was the practice at that time to consume
large quantities of alcohol to celebrate the DEROS long into the night. A
SP5 whose name I don't recall, stayed up with them after we had all hit our
racks. They were due to leave on a charted PanAm flight at about 3am the
next morning.
Well the next morning, we awoke, and headed to our day jobs. SP5
whatsisname was not around, and someone mentioned that he been pretty tanked
and had gone with the two guys DEROSING in order to see them off at
TanSonNhut.
About three days later he shows up.
It seems that he got so shitfaced that he actually got on the aircraft with
the two guys who were flying back to the States. By the time he had sobered
up, the plane was in Japan -so he decided to stay aboard and turn himself in
when it got to Travis.
Now he was in deep doo doo - but someone opined that he actually wasn't awol
because of the international date line and he had actually turned himself in
the day before he was discovered missing (I don't know if that's actually
true - but it seems like a good defense).
The powers that be decided that appropriate punishment would be a reduction
in grade and a transfer out of USARV. Our Wiley SP5 then began letting it
be known that he didn't mind being transferred but he didn't want to go to
Bearcat - because that was the worst place in Vietnam.
So they sent him to Bearcat - which was where the 9th Division was located
at the time and was exactly where he wanted to go.
Norman von Whataburger
"Nigel Brooks" <nbr...@msn.com> wrote in message
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river around Dong Tam and when the feet started to get webbing, they sent
him over by Cambodia to dry his tootsies. he has fond memories of coming
in from the field to FB Moore and being assigned guard duty and/or filling
sandbags while he and his mates got some well deserved rest. I'm gonna
ask him if he went to Bearcat during his time 68-69
Tankfixer
spam.com says...
>
> On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:43:38 -0400, John MacDonald
> <anoth...@no-spam.com> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:11:10 -0500, "Nigel Brooks" <nbr...@msn.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Have you ever been wrong?
> >>
> >>That's a silly question. Of course you have. So have I. We all have. You've
> >>been misinformed. You've miscalculated. You've learned better. However you
> >>want to say it, you've been wrong.
> >>
> >>Here's a tougher question:
> >>
> >>Have you ever admitted being wrong?
> >
> >
> >>
> >>There's nothing wrong with being wrong from time to time. That's one way we
> >>learn-by making mistakes. It's better if you're wrong on issues that aren't
> >>matters of life and death. There is something very wrong with never being
> >>wrong or being incapable of publicly admitting you were wrong.
> >
> >I was wrong to think that the VC wouldn't hit me when they were
> >shooting at me in the Delta.
> >
> >No ...wait a minute...that's not right....they didn't hit me.
> >
> >So I guess I've never been wrong (Yeah, right)
> >
> >Echo Company, 2nd Bn, 39th Infantry, 9th ID, 1967-68 (One Tour)
>
> Oh no! Now I've done it. I've joined a gang.
We expect your dues in the mail forthwith !
Nigel Brooks
"Norman von Whataburger" <awrli...@hotmaiil.com> wrote in message
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I'm pretty sure that by the time the 9th moved to DongTam - Bearcat had been
taken over by the Thai Cobra Division (at least that was who was there in
mid 1968).
I used to run convoys for Equipment Incorporated from the Saigon Port down
to Dong Tam around that time too - remember having seeing the hovercraft
down there.
Norman von Whataburger
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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faithful member and CWL Janitor CWL013
now all we need is a repost from Yekim the Great
Norman von Whataburger
Tam (he recalls that only the ossifuckers got liquor...the grunts got hot
beer with plenty of fresh empty sandbags)
John MacDonald
Norman
By the time that FSB Moore was built, the Division was pretty much
moved down to Dong Tam. The Division HQs was still at Bearcat, as
were some of the HQs for the Brigades/Battalions. The actual units
were moswtly gone thouht.
It was the second main fire support base that the 2/39th built along
Highway Route QL-4. The first was FSB Fels. I was at Moore when both
MLK andRFK were assassinated.
Moore had a full complement of suppor including a battery of
8-inchers. Damn those things were loud when they went off.
Bearcat was turned over to the Royal Thai Army. The olny time I came
back to Bearcat, after TET was to go on R&R. The place had pretty
much "gone to hell"
John MacDonald
I'm not sure, but I think I may be the earliest MAC in AWL
I was never a big poster, but except for one stretch about 10 years
ago, I have logged in regularly. I'm pretty sure I was here when Mac
the Medic (the real one) joined.
The only REALLY old posters, who were here when I arrived that I still
see are JV who drops in a couple of times a year and Meport who was
away or quiet for a long time (unless he posted under a nym that I
didn't recognize.) I don't remember what his handle was. It MAY have
been John-Boy, or that just might be what JV called him in their
on-going batles.
Patrick used to come by at irregular intervals, and Tom Dier stopped
in not that long ago with some of his PER NAR's
John MacDonald
<anoth...@no-spam.com> wrote:
>The only REALLY old posters, who were here when I arrived that I still
>see are JV who drops in a couple of times a year and Meport who was
>away or quiet for a long time (unless he posted under a nym that I
>didn't recognize.)
>
Opps. How could I forget Phill, under whatever NYM's he uses.
DGVREIMAN
"Norman von Whataburger" <awrli...@hotmaiil.com> wrote in message
news:i5s13o$cnd$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Doug Says: It sounds like someone added some forged words into that
sentence. URL please. I believe the context was a statement that the
author was wrong to believe he was immortal. There is no reference
in the post to any claim by the author being shot, only wrong to
BELIEVE he would not get shot! Quite a difference. If you were
shot, you would simply say so. No need to obscure the context.
When someone takes a sentence out of true context, and adds or
subtracts a few words, then they can make that forgery say anything
they want. This is typical of the Nigel Brooks hate/smear/con gang,
and when they are asked to post the original post URL - they run and
hide as anyone can tell they forged the true context. I wonder what
will happen this time?
More forgery evidence, more evidence of stalking and harassment.
Doug Grant (Tm)
>
>
DGVREIMAN
STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
My standard disclaimer applies:
End disclaimer.
SteveL said:
SteveL said:
SteveL said:
Doug Grant (Tm)
"SteveL" <stev...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:tLydnWCmLZuBeR3R...@giganews.com...
> On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 03:13:55 -0700, "DGVREIMAN"
> <dgvr...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
>>
>
> But I don't really exist according to you. I'm an ethereal
> non-person
> with no rights because you don't have my real name. You are on
> record
> saying you can say whatever you want to say, tell any lie you want
> about me and I have no come back because I use a handle.
Doug 's Rebuttal SteveL, good and faithful Nigel Brooks hate gang
member: The above post provides a reference to what you said as the
STEVEL anonymous cyberstalker. A poster by the name of SteveL does
exist - we just don't know who is really behind that name. I am not
on any record to say I can lie about anyone, that is just another lie
from you. I posted what you as SteveL said above, with references.
If you want to revert to your real name now to hide all of your hate
America past posts, be my guest.
Once you reveal your true name then before anyone can say what they
heard about you they would first need to do some due dilligence and
make sure what they heard was true. But if someone says Bugs Bunny is
a terrorist, and I agree, then the voice behind Bugs Bunny cannot sue
me if he hid his true identity. How could I possibly know that Bugs
was really someone else?
That deception means I cannot libel anyone that hides their true
identity - but I still would not lie about them. In your case what
you have posted before will be revealed for precisely what you said
with references. It is time for these real Vets to learn your true
colors and your hate America and pro-terrorist agenda. Your
deception in that regard is coming to an end.
Doug Grant (Tm)
DGVREIMAN
STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
My standard disclaimer applies:
End disclaimer.
SteveL said:
SteveL said:
SteveL said:
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Nigel Brooks" <nbr...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:8echc9...@mid.individual.net...
>
>
> "SteveL" <stev...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:tLydnWCmLZuBeR3R...@giganews.com...
>> On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 03:13:55 -0700, "DGVREIMAN"
>> <dgvr...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
Nigel Brooks backing his hate America key gang member. Why am I not
surprised.
>>>
>>Everything Nigel Brooks posted is of course outright fraud - and he
>>cannot back up a word of it. He is back using smears, lies, fraud
>>and false accusations to continue his harassment and stalking
>>campaign against me. Ask Brooks to name or produce a single
>>document that proves his obviously goofy and false contexts, mind
>>reading bullshit, and forgeries of what I said and meant in the
>>past. Brooks is back splicing sentences together to form new
>>intents, meanings and context, without first checking with the
>>author as to what he really meant. Brooks idiotic claims can be
>>further explained by reading either one of the following posts:
http://tinyurl.com/24ctvua Nigel Brooks preposterous NCO duties Con
rebutted and exposed.
http://tinyurl.com/244fbd5 BROOKS-USENET SOOTHSAYING RAMBO! - REBUTTAL
http://tinyurl.com/27mb3y8 Who Should You Believe - Con Men or Real
NCO Vets?
Doug Grant (Tm)
DGVREIMAN
STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
My standard disclaimer applies:
End disclaimer.
SteveL said:
SteveL said:
SteveL said:
Doug Grant (Tm)
Snip desperation. See the hate America posts from SteveL above and
the reference to his Communist friend. What true patriotic American
would want to be involved with this Nigel Brooks key hate gang member
SteveL after you read all of his hate-America, hate our troops,
pro-terrorist and pro-communists posts and support?
Doug Grant (Tm)
"SteveL" <stev...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:G5WdnbRH5elzpRzR...@giganews.com...
Doug Reese
wrote:
> "Nigel Brooks" <nbro...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8ed8v0...@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "John MacDonald" <another...@no-spam.com> wrote in message
> >news:phg286l5k7gcg2i1u...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:43:38 -0400, John MacDonald
>
> >>>On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:11:10 -0500, "Nigel Brooks" <nbro...@msn.com>
While you're at it, ask if he was with the 6th/31st.
Doug -- who was with the 6th/31st, but not when they were at FSB Moore
>Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
SteveL
wrote:
>And your Zemurray cite has
>nothing to do with the USA, its foreign policy, nor this topic.
Zemurray was head of the UFC. Zemurray and his company had EVERYTHING
to do with the US decision to instigate PBSUCCESS.
That you try to dismiss it just shows your complete and total
ignorance of the subject.
At any rate it's not *MY* behavior in that thread that is at issue.
>
>STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
>
You really fucked up quoting *that* thread.
Here is the thread you're talking about, without your self-serving
creative edits and editorializing.
Message-ID: <JeyL8.14072$rX.26...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>
or
http://tinyurl.com/38q7qvh
I don't take back a word of what I said *there*. (Interested parties
might want to compare the real deal with Doug's version above, but
then again I can understand why that might be too boring)
BTW Doug this is the thread where
1) you bragged to Josh Dougherty that
"Josh I fought in Nicaragua I know that Jungle well." (post 187)
2) Someone named Abdul first posted the entertaining Doug Grant FAQ
(Post 55)
3) and you flat out denied you knew Abdul even though he had been an
arch-rival in the blackjack group (Post 59)
4) You told David Snedeker:
"I have a PhD., speak five languages and I have lived all over the
world." (post 88)
And
"Doug Says: Let me see now, a PhD in statistics, invited to
lecture University Math Departments, on the Lecture circuit for
years on Statistics, Financial systems and Casino Card Counting
Systems." (Post 92)
5) You told David Snedeker:
"Doug Says: My claim of expertise in respect to South America is
that I lived there, and fought there for the United States Army.
Now what is your claim of expertise on this subject? I also
spent 2&1/2 tours of duty in Vietnam, one Tour in Korea (Post 90)
6) In reply to David Snedeker asking in Post 91
> And Doug? Just where in South America did you fight as a member of the US
> Army? We all want to hear you talk your way out of that boast.
You replied:
Doug Says: Dave, unless you are really the drooling fool you
appear to be, you can find out where the US Army stationed Delta
Team members throughout a very long period of time. The US Army
has had troops in South America for about 50 years. Now if you
are an American, you would know that. But clearly you are not an
American, at least not a real one. Now if you want to know details
of my assignments in the US Military, I can tell you where I was, but
not exactly what I did. That information is classified." (Post 92)
This thread was not one of your finest hours - honesty-wise. In fact
it's come back to haunt you in several ways.
Yes I remember that thread well, and I've enjoyed reading it again. It
was one of my first contacts with you Doogie, and your behavior in
that thread certainly made an impression - even before we knew you
were telling constant lies about yourself and your qualifications.
You called everyone who disagreed with you a "Communist" - right off
the bat. You called David Snedeker a communist *and* a queer. Hell
you
even seriously claimed that Josh and I were in a Communist/Terrorist
"cell" together. How to debate a case on its merits, eh?
And this from the guy who argued himself into the dirt that Canada is
a Communist country.....
Other fun bits:
1) You getting totally confused about Guatemalan history when you
claimed
"Doug Says: The election was a fraud, Arevalo was a drug
trafficker and completely corrupt. Arbenz was worse. Crime was
rampant, and Fidel's communists and drug runners were running the
country. "
Err..... Arbenz was overthrown in 1954, a full 5 years before Fidel
Castro overthrew Batista and took power in Cuba.
2) You calling Josh and I "Communists" when we mentioned the CIA
PBFORTUNE operation in Guatemala, and flat out denying that the
operation existed (as if you would know), but missing the fact that
the text of *your own post!* confirmed the operation's existence!!
That incompetence was very funny (Post 18 and following).
3) Even funnier was when Josh and I had a little laugh at you for not
reading your own references before posting, you called us liars and
claimed you'd never denied the operation's existence! - even with the
denial in plain sight two posts up.
4) I especially liked it when you ended up trying to reverse our
roles.
What had made me a "communist" in your eyes initially was my case that
the US was pragmatically (and ruthlessly) protecting its resources in
Central America and often used the communist scare as domestic cover
to get rid of leaders threatening to disturb the economic status quo
for our companies down there.
At first you blustered the familiar line that the US doesn't operate
that way and that I was a "communist" for suggesting we did, before
changing tack and trying to lecture *me* that "America is in the
business of serving and satisfying Americans and their business
interests. That fact has never been hidden, and is well known. But
it is something you seem not to understand. " (Post 24)
Absolutely jaw-dropping. So amazing that my fellow contributer emailed
out of the blue to ask "Wow!! Is this guy DGVREIMAN for REAL????"
It was then that I understood something of your unique psychology
Doug: That you are literally incapable of admitting the
tiniest error, and will employ all manner of lies and rhetorical
tricks to cover your tracks - even adopting your opponents' case as
your own!
Thanks for the reminder of that early thread.
No, definitely not one of your finest hours.
SteveL
wrote:
>And your Zemurray cite has
>nothing to do with the USA, its foreign policy, nor this topic.
Zemurray was head of the UFC. Zemurray and his company had EVERYTHING
to do with the US decision to instigate PBSUCCESS.
That you try to dismiss it just shows your complete and total
ignorance of the subject.
At any rate it's not *MY* behavior in that thread that is at issue.
>
>STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
>
You really fucked up quoting *that* thread.
Here is the thread you're talking about, without your self-serving
creative edits and editorializing.
Message-ID: <JeyL8.14072$rX.26...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>
or
http://tinyurl.com/38q7qvh
I don't take back a word of what I said *there*. (Interested parties
might want to compare the real deal with Doug's version above, but
then again I can understand why that might be too boring)
BTW Doug this is the thread where
1) you bragged to Josh Dougherty that
"Josh I fought in Nicaragua I know that Jungle well." (post 187)
2) Someone named Abdul first posted the entertaining Doug Grant FAQ
(Post 55)
3) and you flat out denied you knew Abdul even though he had been an
arch-rival in the blackjack group (Post 59)
4) You told David Snedeker:
"I have a PhD., speak five languages and I have lived all over the
world." (post 88)
And
"Doug Says: Let me see now, a PhD in statistics, invited to
lecture University Math Departments, on the Lecture circuit for
years on Statistics, Financial systems and Casino Card Counting
Systems." (Post 92)
5) You told David Snedeker:
"Doug Says: My claim of expertise in respect to South America is
that I lived there, and fought there for the United States Army.
Now what is your claim of expertise on this subject? I also
spent 2&1/2 tours of duty in Vietnam, one Tour in Korea (Post 90)
6) In reply to David Snedeker asking in Post 91
> And Doug? Just where in South America did you fight as a member of the US
> Army? We all want to hear you talk your way out of that boast.
You replied:
Doug Says: Dave, unless you are really the drooling fool you
appear to be, you can find out where the US Army stationed Delta
Team members throughout a very long period of time. The US Army
has had troops in South America for about 50 years. Now if you
are an American, you would know that. But clearly you are not an
American, at least not a real one. Now if you want to know details
of my assignments in the US Military, I can tell you where I was, but
not exactly what I did. That information is classified." (Post 92)
This thread was not one of your finest hours - honesty-wise. In fact
it's come back to haunt you in several ways.
Yes I remember that thread well, and I've enjoyed reading it again. It
was one of my first contacts with you Doogie, and your behavior in
that thread certainly made an impression - even before we knew you
were telling constant lies about yourself and your qualifications.
You called everyone who disagreed with you a "Communist" - right off
the bat. You called David Snedeker a communist *and* a queer. Hell
you even seriously claimed that Josh and I were in a
Communist/Terrorist "cell" together. How to debate a case on its
merits, eh?
And this from the guy who argued himself into the dirt that Canada is
a Communist country.....
Other fun bits:
1) You getting totally confused about Guatemalan history when you
claimed
"Doug Says: The election was a fraud, Arevalo was a drug
trafficker and completely corrupt. Arbenz was worse. Crime was
rampant, and Fidel's communists and drug runners were running the
country. "
Err..... Arbenz was overthrown in 1954, a full 5 years before Fidel
Castro overthrew Batista and took power in Cuba.
2) You calling Josh and I "Communists" when we mentioned the CIA
PBFORTUNE operation in Guatemala, and flat out denying that the
operation existed (as if you would know), but missing the fact that
the text of *your own post!* confirmed the operation's existence!!
That incompetence was very funny (Post 18 and following).
3) Even funnier was when Josh and I had a little laugh at you for not
reading your own references before posting, you called us liars and
claimed you'd never denied the operation's existence! - even with the
denial in plain sight two posts up.
4) I especially liked it when you ended up trying to reverse our
roles.
What had made me a "communist" in your eyes initially was my case that
the US was pragmatically (and ruthlessly) protecting its resources in
Central America and often used the communist scare as domestic cover
to get rid of leaders threatening to disturb the economic status quo
for our companies down there.
At first you blustered the familiar line that the US doesn't operate
that way and that I was a "communist" for suggesting we did, before
changing tack and trying to lecture *me* that "America is in the
business of serving and satisfying Americans and their business
interests. That fact has never been hidden, and is well known. But
it is something you seem not to understand. " (Post 24)
Absolutely jaw-dropping. So amazing that my fellow contributer emailed
out of the blue to ask "Wow!! Is this guy DGVREIMAN for REAL????"
It was then that I understood something of your unique psychology
Doug: That you are literally incapable of admitting the
tiniest error, and will employ all manner of lies and rhetorical
tricks to cover your tracks - even adopting your opponents' case as
your own!
Thanks for the reminder of that early thread.
No, definitely not one of your finest hours.
SteveL
wrote:
>And your Zemurray cite has
>nothing to do with the USA, its foreign policy, nor this topic.
Zemurray was head of the UFC. Zemurray and his company had EVERYTHING
to do with the US decision to instigate PBSUCCESS.
That you try to dismiss it just shows your complete and total
ignorance of the subject.
At any rate it's not *MY* behavior in that thread that is at issue.
>
>STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
>
You really fucked up quoting *that* thread.
Here is the thread you're talking about, without your self-serving
creative edits and editorializing.
Message-ID: <JeyL8.14072$rX.26...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>
or
http://tinyurl.com/38q7qvh
I don't take back a word of what I said *there*. (Interested parties
might want to compare the real deal with Doug's version above, but
then again I can understand why that might be too boring)
BTW Doug this is the thread where
1) you bragged to Josh Dougherty that
"Josh I fought in Nicaragua I know that Jungle well." (post 187)
2) Someone named Abdul first posted the entertaining Doug Grant FAQ
(Post 55)
3) and you flat out denied you knew Abdul even though he had been an
arch-rival in the blackjack group (Post 59)
4) You told David Snedeker:
"I have a PhD., speak five languages and I have lived all over the
world." (post 88)
And
"Doug Says: Let me see now, a PhD in statistics, invited to
lecture University Math Departments, on the Lecture circuit for
years on Statistics, Financial systems and Casino Card Counting
Systems." (Post 92)
5) You told David Snedeker:
"Doug Says: My claim of expertise in respect to South America is
that I lived there, and fought there for the United States Army.
Now what is your claim of expertise on this subject? I also
spent 2&1/2 tours of duty in Vietnam, one Tour in Korea (Post 90)
6) In reply to David Snedeker asking in Post 91
> And Doug? Just where in South America did you fight as a member of the US
> Army? We all want to hear you talk your way out of that boast.
You replied:
Doug Says: Dave, unless you are really the drooling fool you
appear to be, you can find out where the US Army stationed Delta
Team members throughout a very long period of time. The US Army
has had troops in South America for about 50 years. Now if you
are an American, you would know that. But clearly you are not an
American, at least not a real one. Now if you want to know details
of my assignments in the US Military, I can tell you where I was, but
not exactly what I did. That information is classified." (Post 92)
This thread was not one of your finest hours - honesty-wise. In fact
it's come back to haunt you in several ways.
Yes I remember that thread well, and I've enjoyed reading it again. It
was one of my first contacts with you Doogie, and your behavior in
that thread certainly made an impression - even before we knew you
were telling constant lies about yourself and your qualifications.
You called everyone who disagreed with you a "Communist" - right off
the bat. You called David Snedeker a communist *and* a queer. Hell
you even seriously claimed that Josh and I were in a
Communist/Terrorist "cell" together. How to debate a case on its
merits, eh?
And this from the guy who argued himself into the dirt that Canada is
a Communist country.....
Other fun bits:
1) You getting totally confused about Guatemalan history when you
claimed
"Doug Says: The election was a fraud, Arevalo was a drug
trafficker and completely corrupt. Arbenz was worse. Crime was
rampant, and Fidel's communists and drug runners were running the
country. "
Err..... Arbenz was overthrown in 1954, a full 5 years before Fidel
Castro overthrew Batista and took power in Cuba.
2) You calling Josh and I "Communists" when we mentioned the CIA
PBFORTUNE operation in Guatemala, and flat out denying that the
operation existed (as if you would know), but missing the fact that
the text of *your own post!* confirmed the operation's existence!!
That incompetence was very funny (Post 18 and following).
3) Even funnier was when Josh and I had a little laugh at you for not
reading your own references before posting, you called us liars and
claimed you'd never denied the operation's existence! - even with the
denial in plain sight two posts up.
4) I especially liked it when you ended up trying to reverse our
roles.
What had made me a "communist" in your eyes initially was my case that
the US was pragmatically (and ruthlessly) protecting its resources in
Central America and often used the communist scare as domestic cover
to get rid of leaders threatening to disturb the economic status quo
for our companies down there.
At first you blustered the familiar line that the US doesn't operate
that way and that I was a "communist" for suggesting we did, before
changing tack and trying to lecture *me* that "America is in the
business of serving and satisfying Americans and their business
interests. That fact has never been hidden, and is well known. But
it is something you seem not to understand. " (Post 24)
Absolutely jaw-dropping. So amazing that my fellow contributer emailed
out of the blue to ask "Wow!! Is this guy DGVREIMAN for REAL????"
It was then that I understood something of your unique psychology
Doug: That you are literally incapable of admitting the
tiniest error, and will employ all manner of lies and rhetorical
tricks to cover your tracks - even adopting your opponents' case as
your own!
Thanks for the reminder of that early thread.
No, definitely not one of your finest hours.
Nigel Brooks
> 5) You told David Snedeker:
> "Doug Says: My claim of expertise in respect to South America is
> that I lived there, and fought there for the United States Army.
I don't believe he has ever managed to come up with an explanation for that
particular lie.
A quip?
A typographical error by an imaginary secretary?
An unauthorized post by a member of his team of posters?
A forgery by a cyberstalker?
A Communist conspiracy of Fidel Castro supporters?
It boggles the mind to even attempt imagine what possible explanation Reiman
could have for that post considering the fact that his military records
received under FOIA make no mention whatsoever of any assignment to South
America for the US Army.
Will he finally admit that he lied in that one?
Don't hold your breath.
I'd be really interested to learn exactly how pointing out inconsistencies
and lies can be considered libel, stalking or any other violation of a
federal or state law.
MAC
wrote....... :
===============================
MAC
wrote:
>STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
>
>My standard bullshit disclaimer applies:
MAC
wrote:
>
>STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
>
>My standard disclaimer applies:
>If you have not already read my extended disclaimer, please consider one of the fortunate ones....
--------------------------------------------------------
MAC
wrote:
>STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
>
>My standard ...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Norman von Whataburger
one of my PERNARs on his website it's still interested to re-read some
of those old stories. yup see JV around checking n from CR bout twice a
year. you remember Monte and Nirk? they were some of the old posters
that got tired of the bullshit and don't forget Martin Tingey who was
the Grand Poobah of CWL....this guy duh-g could take lessons from Martin but
then he'd say "another gang member" <G>
Norman von Whataburger
I believe that would be our pal Otis Willie of the Asinine Warped Lie-brary.
Norman von Whataburger
for you and Doug Reese as well as my pal Frank I will see what unit of the
9th ID he was with when he visited FB Moore
Nigel Brooks
<MAC ---NoSPAM...@NoSpamToday-abc.zoo> wrote in message
news:vuv386tjmhincicl0...@4ax.com...
Given the fact that the Lima Lima (Litigious Loon) has said time and time
again he will be filing civil action or will attempt to initiate a criminal
action against his opponents, one wonders what a jury would think seeing
these kind of ad hominem attacks by the Lima Lima Litigious Loon).
John MacDonald
That would be him. I do sometimes (not very often) miss all his other
persona
John MacDonald
JV
<awrli...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
Now Norman, I recall all the names you mention cept
methinks you are confusing Martin Tingey & Doug Marsh.
Martin had a website concerning all the equipment we had in
VN. Doug Marsh was the grand poohbah of the CWL where I
remain proud membership as CWL 101.
Have yet to find Martin's original page but articles he has
written (some of them) are here.
Be well
PS. Was in contact with Yekim until about a year ago.
JV
JV
<anoth...@no-spam.com> wrote:
Well, Another "old timer" appears! Good to see you again
John. YUP, only post a couple times a year but I stick
around and read most notes posted here. Not as much fun as
the group used to be. Still enjoy reading the posts of the
few old timers still here. Be well my friend.
JV
Norman von Whataburger
"JV" <Lazy@home> wrote in message
news:pes4869bfelht54pb...@4ax.com...
Martin....am thinking Martin was a Brit who was a amateur historian on
soldierin'...a youngster he was.
you gotta understand we got one too many duh-gs around here now.....if ol
Phil G. from the Gonadians came in here I'd shit me an Otis
hows CR? that kinda livin' is soundin better and better. I'm lookin at
trying to find a starving off broadway actress in NYC who needs a roomie
<G>
Norman von Whataburger
fwiw, Frankie sent me a message with the following in it:
(recollections of the 9th)
. "The 6/31 were headquartered at FBM. 4/47 were the mechanized, Silva was
with 2/47.
My unit was the 3/39. Alpha Co. which I was in, served
as Light Infantry Recon"
Frank hauled the M60 around with him. Good feller
JV
<awrli...@hotmaiil.com> wrote:
Nope. As of a year ago in Fort Worth. Retired now and
traveling the world. Still not doing my taxes! <G>
> you right on about Doug the Original and
>Martin....am thinking Martin was a Brit who was a amateur historian on
>soldierin'...a youngster he was.
You are correct there! When Martin first appeared on AWV I
took offense with him for his opening statement. Something
like "Phu Bai is alright, Zips in the wire." Hell we became
buddies after awhile.
>
> you gotta understand we got one too many duh-gs around here now.....if ol
>Phil G. from the Gonadians came in here I'd shit me an Otis
From what I've seen the past coupla years this place would
be a ghost town were it not for the antics of the Kook liar
whom our buddy Reese dragged in here. I guess some lying
assholes do serve a purpose. :)
>hows CR? that kinda livin' is soundin better and better. I'm lookin at
>trying to find a starving off broadway actress in NYC who needs a roomie
><G>
CR is treating us just fine. Just returned from a five day
visit to the states. Was ready to return home after only
three days. Wishing you well finding that struggling
actress. She must be out there somewhere!
JV
Norman von Whataburger
"JV" <Lazy@home> wrote in message
book? I visited him down in Austin way back when
>> you right on about Doug the Original and
>>Martin....am thinking Martin was a Brit who was a amateur historian on
>>soldierin'...a youngster he was.
>
> You are correct there! When Martin first appeared on AWV I
> took offense with him for his opening statement. Something
> like "Phu Bai is alright, Zips in the wire." Hell we became
> buddies after awhile.
>>
something all the 101st'rs would agree with "Phu Bai is all right" was
plastered all over PhuBai and the old 101st hangers at the airports had
122mm holes in the roof <G>
>> you gotta understand we got one too many duh-gs around here now.....if ol
>>Phil G. from the Gonadians came in here I'd shit me an Otis
>
> From what I've seen the past coupla years this place would
> be a ghost town were it not for the antics of the Kook liar
> whom our buddy Reese dragged in here. I guess some lying
> assholes do serve a purpose. :)
>
>>hows CR? that kinda livin' is soundin better and better. I'm lookin
>>at
>>trying to find a starving off broadway actress in NYC who needs a roomie
>><G>
>
> CR is treating us just fine. Just returned from a five day
> visit to the states. Was ready to return home after only
> three days. Wishing you well finding that struggling
> actress. She must be out there somewhere!
>
> JV
>
well there was the time I fell for Mackenzie Phillips since we share the
clan name even tho she's backwards <G> all that drugging tho convinced me
that a chubby Valerie Bertinelli was better than a strung out coke head.
(my old dopin days are long gone....don't even have a nip anymore)
damn, come to think of it, there's something else I used to do but I can't
remember what it is.
!Jones
You used to remember! This morning, I almost forgot the Alamo.
Jones
DGVREIMAN
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SteveL said:
SteveL said:
SteveL said:
Doug Grant (Tm)
"SteveL" <stev...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 03:13:55 -0700, "DGVREIMAN"
> <dgvr...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
>>
>
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Nigel Brooks" <nbr...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:8ef7na...@mid.individual.net...
Doug Says: I keep offering to post my lawyers letter to prove legal
action, and both Brooks and McDonnell keep hiding from that offer?
Strange, then these two keep claiming I never filed any legal action!
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Doug Grant (Tm)
>
DGVREIMAN
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SteveL said:
SteveL said:
SteveL said:
Doug Grant (Tm)
"SteveL" <stev...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 03:13:55 -0700, "DGVREIMAN"
> <dgvr...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN -REBUTTAL
>>
>
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Doug Says: Harassment and stalking for the purpose of causing
emotional harm, especially by using fraud and fake out of context
statements is considered a violation of several statutes.
http://tinyurl.com/24e5f24 Google says the above quip posted by
SteveL who he claims is a response to his fellow SDS gang member is a
forgery. It was not posted under my account. I do know what is wrong
with this post? I suspect it was removed and then one of the gang
members replaced it, and that is why Google is saying it was not
posted under my account as the above URL states.
When a post is removed Google no longer assocates the post with the
original author, only with the account that replaces the post. So in
that respect Google and the courts would consider removed posts that
were replaced NOT BY THE AUTHOR as FORGERIES!
>>>> Doug Says: My claim of expertise in respect to South America is
>>>> that I lived there, and fought there for the United States Army.
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/45ob48
Doug Says: the above quip is A forgery or removed post replaced
according to Google. The statement was clearly added to one of my
old posts or it was dug out of a removed post waste basket - and the
URL reference above does not work. If the con gang would post the
URL, I would love to check on this post further.
But even if it were true, the security force that I worked for in
South America did work with the US Army - it had to.
As a case in point Nigel Brooks claims that he worked for the FBI, but
then said he was not a member of the FBI but was working with the
custom service that sometimes worked with the FBI. What is the
difference?
Also, DAVE S was one of the Cuban trained Commie SDS terrorists that
SteveL is associated with. There was no way I would *ever* give such
an obvious con man and hostile hate-America person any detailed
information about what I did or who I did it with.
All they would do with such information is distort it and forge intent
and context and then use it to fraudulently defame.
Bottom line. I was in south America/central America with a security
force and I posted the contracts from those companies to prove it. I
have also posted several times that I was NOT still serving in the US
Army when I was in South America - about two dozen times I count.
But that does not mean my security force did not need to coordinate
its efforts with elements of the US Army. That was not my job, but I
know it was done.
If the post was removed it was originally written so as to hide facts
from the DAVES SDS terrorist, which of course I would do again as
these goons simply want details so they can distort them and then use
their forgeries to discredit anyone that is proving their hate-America
diatribe is nothing more than propaganda with commie type references
(which it was and is).
This is typical Nigel Brooks type fraud, and I will not bite when I am
dealing with con men that have distorted facts before for the purpose
of using their own forgeries for defamation. My Disclaimer makes this
fact very clear. I have no obligation to reveal anything to these
hate-America types they can then forge and use to discredit me with.
In fact, the less they know about anyone that disproves their
hate-American propaganda the better - that will keep them dealing with
facts, and will not allow them to use volumes of fraud and false light
cons like Nigel Brooks does to discredit the person that is revealing
the truth about their hate-America propaganda or smear and con
harassment and stalking campaigns.
If the real URL can be found, the hate America posts from DAVE S would
be revealed.
Doug Grant (Tm)
>
Tankfixer
dgvr...@comcast.net says...
> I keep offering to post my lawyers letter to prove legal
> action
>
I offered my scanner..Since you have such a problem posting them
DGVREIMAN
STEVEL ATTACKS AMERICA AGAIN
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SteveL said:
SteveL said:
SteveL said:
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Nigel Brooks" <nbr...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Doug's Rebuttal: Mr. Brooks, you said your key hate gang member
"never lies" and he said that my representation of him being a
hate-America propagandist was "false." The post above proves my
rebuttal. I will defend myself from SteveL fraud and lies about me,
and I will defend myself from your fraud and lies as well. Moreover,
my posts are NOT ad hominem - unlike yours about me which are clearly
ad hominem at every turn, along with your gang members, I include a
direct reference to the ENTIRE POST, and allow the readers to read
precisely what your hate gang member SteveL said.
He claims he is NOT anti-Amercian - you also claim he never lies.
Those issues need to be rebutted and examined based upon his past
posts - and we all would like to know your and SteveL's true agenda.
Which seems to be evident from what SteveL is posting about the USA.
As a case in point, SteveL said above:
*** The US (we) (or our business interests themselves) had coups
engineered *solely* to aid business interests, and repeated invasions
to bring"business friendly" kinds of dictatorships to power in the
region.
***I don't accept that it's "inane" to argue that this motivation (for
the US to attack) was still there during the Cold War. Nor that
exactly the same actions against governments continued, but now for
reasons of "anti-communism".
I disagree with his fraud that USA used the pretense of communism to
murder or attack anyone. I also disagree that the USA murdered for
business interests. Yet Mr. Brooks apparently does agree we me as he
claims SteveL never lies. And for Nigel Brooks to complain about ad
hominin attacks, well, that is almost hilarious as that is all Nigel
Brooks and his gang does in respect to their hate campaign against me.
But when actual posts from one of his gang members are revealed that
clearly demonstrate fraud, lies and hate-America propaganda, Nigel
Brooks wants to hide them. No wonder.
If I post what someone said, I include the ENTIRE post, so nothing can
be misconstrued or taken out of context.
Doug Grant (Tm)
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DGVREIMAN
> Have you ever been wrong?
>
> That's a silly question. Of course you have. So have I. We all have.
> You've been misinformed. You've miscalculated. You've learned
> better. However you want to say it, you've been wrong.
>
> Here's a tougher question:
>
> Have you ever admitted being wrong?
>
> There's nothing wrong with being wrong from time to time. That's one
> way we learn-by making mistakes. It's better if you're wrong on
> issues that aren't matters of life and death. There is something
> very wrong with never being wrong or being incapable of publicly
> admitting you were wrong.
Doug Says: I am waiting for Nigel Brooks to answer the following
questions, and admit he has been wrong on each issue.
BROOKS DUCKS QUESTIONS - REBUTTAL
If you have not already read my extended disclaimer, please read my
disclaimer
at http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/378d2eb3d
55bf6a8?hl=en
or at
http://tinyurl.com/mggo9k
My standard and extended disclaimer both apply to this rebuttal, and
all past, present and future rebuttals and posts. If you are going to
read any of my posts you are de facto admitting that you have read the
terms of my disclaimers.
End disclaimer.
Rebuttal to Nigel Brooks fraud above:
Questions Nigel Brooks keeps ducking:
I have often presented Mr. Nigel Brooks with a few key questions he
is repeatedly ducking and hiding from. You must ask yourself why
would he hide from these questions if HE was telling the truth?
BROOKS HIDING FROM LEGAL ACTION PROOF
1. Nigel Brooks lied when he said I never filed any legal action.
(Brooks even set up a new hate web site to further that lie then the
Web Manager from that new site investigated his site contents and
forced it down! Brooks has lost about 14 such sites so far for posting
his defamation - strange how all those different web managers conclude
Brooks is using defamation - anytime anyone independent reviews Brooks
claims about me, and then is sent some of my rebuttals, they can
easily determine Brooks is lying ).
1.a. To rebut Nigel Brooks fraud about me never filing any legal
action, I offered Nigel Brooks the opportunity to see the letter my
lawyers sent to the US Attorney after this major law firm completed a
six month long investigation on the Nigel Brooks gang's posts and my
rebuttals, and other acts by some key members of the Brooks gang,
including Nigel Brooks. ***Yet Nigel Brooks is ducking, hiding and
running from my offer to post that said letter on this forum! You be
the Judge why.***
BROOKS HIDING FROM ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BREAK-IN OF MY
PERSONAL MEDICAL VA RECORDS AND THE SUBSEQUENT TRAFFICKING IN THAT
PRIVATE INFORMATION
2. As I mentioned before a key member of the Nigel Brooks
hate/con/smear gang broke into my VA medical files at the VA (where he
volunteered to work for what I believe to be that express reason and
under the tutelage of other members of the said gang) and he stole and
sabotaged my medical files (he also stole some of my Wife's personal
information as well).
2.a. The VA had set a trap on my records because of a previous
posting from a gang member also revealing some of my personal medical
information, and they caught this Nigel Brooks gang member asshole
red handed breaking into my records THREE TIMES!
2.b. After a thorough investigation by Federal Investigators, the VA
fired the Nigel Brooks hate gang member from the VA, and forbad him
from ever accessing any medical files again.
2.c. I was notified by the VA of this action against their employee,
and the VA offered to support me in any legal action. My lawyers
notified the US Attorney about this issue and other aspects of the
Nigel Brooks hate and smear campaign against me, and the US Attorney
referred me to the FBI for an investigation. I called the FBI twice,
and they asked me for more information which I am preparing.
2.d. At first I did not want this issue to go as far as it is going
as I believe I am dealing with crackpots, yet those crackpots are
still Veterans, (sick ones perhaps, but still Veterans). Yet it
appears I am being forced to take this issue further by the continuing
hate and false accusations, and the repeated posting of my private
medical information on USENET by members of this hate gang, and on
web sites owned by members of the hate gang. (I also believe that
breaking into my private medical records was as a result from a
directive from someone in the gang to "get something on me" and during
this period I was also followed by one member of the gang, and of
course lied about profusely on USENET)
2.e. I asked Nigel Brooks before if he ever, in any manner, dealt
with, or trafficked in, or exchanged or posted any of my personal
medical information, or in any manner aided or abetted any person
that was doing so, or ever posted or told any members of his gang to
"get something on me?"
2.f. Nigel Brooks is hiding, cowering and running from the above
simple question. You be the Judge why. (No wonder Brooks does not
want anyone on this group to see my lawyer's letter to the US
Attorney).
BROOKS HIDING ABOUT LYING ABOUT HIS MILITARY SERVICE
3. Sp4, two year draftee, clerk, Nigel Brooks (who was never even in
the Regular Army and took a Village Rat discharge in Saigon) claimed
often that he participated in the 1968 Tet offensive in Vietnam.
1. http://tinyurl.com/5o59lr Nigel Brooks' lies about receiving medals
he never received, and lies about serving in war campaigns and in
reactionary forces long after he had already left active duty.
3.a. Yet when I offered Nigel Brooks the opportunity to see the
document from the National Personnel Records Center that has stated
(twice) that Nigel Brooks was in fact released from active duty from
the US Army on January 13, 1968 WEEKS BEFORE THE TET OFFENSIVE BEGAN!
(Brooks received his final discharge in Feb 1968 due to a processing
period delay as Nigel Brooks took a Village Rat discharge and stayed
in Vietnam - but Brooks was A CIVILIAN on January 13, 1968, and he
clearly lied about participating on reactionary forces or
participating in any other manner in the US Army during the 1968 Tet
offensive).
3.b. Nigel Brooks quivers, shakes, ducks, runs, hides and won't even
address the date he was released from active duty (he likes to talk
about the discharge delayed processing date that occurred a month
later after he was LONG GONE from the US Army active duty rolls).
3.c. ***Why does Nigel Brooks NOT want me to post this evidence from
the US Government that he was released from active duty on January 13,
1968 and NOT in Feb 1968 like he has claimed?** Why is Brooks hiding
from this evidence? You be the Judge.
NIGEL BROOKS HIDING FROM EXPOSING ANOTHER GANG MEMBER AS A SERIAL LIAR
4. Another one of the Nigel Brooks key hate gang members Tom Huxton
(a.k.a. Pepperoni) has claimed, among other fantastic claims, that he
(1) is still on active duty at age 60, (2) he reports exclusively to
the Chairman Joint Chiefs (3) that he worked in a Tank crew in Vietnam
although he never was trained in Tanks, (4) that an FBI agent has been
living with him for 20 years but he has forgotten the last name of the
Agent (5) that Janet Reno is his personal lawyer (6) that photos of a
National Park is really his private estate (7) that he owns 15000
Domino Pizza franchises (8) that he really is the Domino Pizza king
(who BTW is about ten years older than Huxton and was never in the US
Army, and certainly never in Vietnam).
4.a. MOREOVER, THE NATIONAL PERSONNEL RECORDS CENTER IN ST. LOUIS
SAYS THAT A PERSON BY THE NAME OF THOMAS HUXTON NEVER SERVED IN THE US
MILITARY EVER!
4.b. I have offered to post that said document from the NRPC that
says that Huxton never served, and Nigel keeps ducking that offer as
well! Go figure!
4.c. I also hereby again ask Nigel Brooks whether he believes his
fellow gang member, Tom Huxton (a.k.a. Pepperoni), is a liar or is
telling the truth in respect to his posts about himself and his
military service. Perhaps Mr. Huxton would like to send Mr. Brooks
evidence of his military service, and then Mr. Brooks can confirm with
specificity some of what Mr. Huxton has posted about his alleged
service? No? Gosh I wonder why not?
4.d. Let's see if Nigel answers - odds are he won't. I say you will
watch Nigel Brooks duck and run again which clearly means he knows,
as I know, his other key gang member Tom Huxton has ALSO been caught
lying through his teeth in regards to just about everything -
including his incredible and fraudulent false accusations about me.
NIGEL BROOKS CONFIRMS EVERYTHING HIS FELLOW GANG MEMBER
STEVEL@NTLWORLD POSTED IS TRUE - BUT BROOKS HIDES FROM POSTING ANY
EVIDENCE OF SOME OF STEVEL'S TYPICAL HATE AMERICA POSTS!
5. Then of course we have Nigel Brooks re-confirming that everything
his main hate gang member SteveL posted on USENET under SteveL's
first account (Ntlworld) is absolutely true! So I wonder if Nigel
Brooks will answer some key questions below about what he and SteveL
have represented as true on USENET?
5.a. Here is what brooks confirmed and attested to in respect to his
key gang member SteveL on September 7, 2010:
http://tinyurl.com/37akoxe
"I feel it is necessary to define precisely what I meant when I stated
that SteveL never lies (or words to that effect). The SteveL I was
referring to in my comment, was the individual who
posts using the stevel...@ntlworld.com account and no other individual
who might use the netname SteveL."
Nigel Brooks"
5.b. As a result of the above, I have a couple of more questions to
ask Mr. Nigel Brooks:
When SteveL posted the following under his Ntlworld account which you
have confirmed is all true:
http://tinyurl.com/2c9etwk STEVEL - U.S. TROOPS SHOOT HELPLESS
PRISONERS
I was wondering Mr. Brooks if you will post some proof of your
conclusion that our troops shoot helpless prisoners? I for one would
like to see some proof in that regard Mr. Brooks.
5.c. Also in respect to SteveL's following post that you also say is
true (posted of course under his Ntlworld account):
http://tinyurl.com/2df9ffh STEVEL SAYS US TROOPS FIGHTING RADICAL
MUSLIMS =NAZIS AND MURDERERS
Could you please, Mr. Brooks, post some evidence of your conclusion
that our troops fighting radical Islam are both NAZIS AND MURDERERS!
Any evidence of your hate our troops claims will be greatly
appreciated.
NIGEL BROOKS HIDES FROM QUESTIONS WHY HE LIED ABOUT THE CONTENTS OF MY
MILITARY RECORDS.
6. The next question Nigel Brooks frantically hides from is why
Nigel Brooks lied about the contents of my military records, and why
he fraudulently claimed that a US Army's NCO's MOS dictates his ENTIRE
duties in a combat zone or anywhere else for that matter?
6.a. Why would Nigel Brooks directly contradict US Army regulations,
every NCO in the entire Army, and even the knowledge of most US Army
Veterans that spent many a month performing duties that had absolutely
nothing to do with their MOS?
6.b. As the following senior NCO's will confirm, Nigel Brooks claim
that a MOS designates the entire duties of a NCO in a combat zone (or
elsewhere in the US Army) is completely false, idiotic and clueless:
http://tinyurl.com/24ctvua Nigel Brooks preposterous NCO duties Con
rebutted and exposed.
http://tinyurl.com/244fbd5 BROOKS-USENET SOOTHSAYING RAMBO! - REBUTTAL
http://tinyurl.com/27mb3y8 Who Should You Believe - Con Men or Real
NCO Vets?
End references.
6.c. So Mr. Brooks, why are you lying about my duties while I was in
the US Military?
6.d. Mr. Brooks: Why are you contradicting the other Senior NCO's
listed above, and please tell us how you could possibly know what my
duties were from day to day while I was in Vietnam or elsewhere while
I was on active duty in the US Army?
6.e. In fact isn't it true Mr. Brooks you were not even in the US
Army when I arrived in Vietnam? Also, isn't it true that you were a
Sp4, two year draftee, clerk, assigned to Saigon, that would not and
did not have clue about what Staff or Senior NCO's did in the 25th
Infantry Division during the 1968 Tet offensive and counteroffensive
months which were the months I was assigned to that unit, and at a
time when you were working as a civilian rent-a-cop in the Saigon PX?
WILL NIGEL BROOKS CONTINUE TO COWER, PEE HIS PANTIES AND RUN FOR HIS
SEWER OVER THESE SIMPLE QUESTIONS?
What I do believe is that Nigel Brooks will continue to run, cower,
pee his panties, duck for cover, and skip back to his hate gang's
sewer over all of these questions - as he knows he has been caught in
mid con yet again.
But there is one very serious question I believe at some point he will
be compelled to answer (especially if he maintains his hate campaign
and hate web sites about me) and that is the question about my
personal VA medical information. Stay tuned.
The following URL's provide more information on how and why hate gangs
like the Nigel Brooks hate/con/smear gang operates.
2. http://tinyurl.com/7kfaqz Experts on Smear Gangs reveal what the
Nigel Brooks con/hate and smear gang is all about.
3.
http://tinyurl.com/bu3dwb Those that Label Others KOOKS suffer a
psychosis named EID say psychologists - and that so-called "Kook"
votes never occur outside of the smear gang.
Doug Grant (Tm)
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