Judah Benjamin and Masons
Benny Schikelstein
What is the real lowdown on the formation of the Ku Klux Klan and
the connection to Scottish Rite Masons? We all know that Nathan
Forrest was nominally instrumental in forming the KKK. But what were
the interconnexions with Albert Pike and the West Indies jew
Judah Benjamin. Remember that Judah Benjamin held 3 of the highest
positions in the Confederacy --and did a superficially miserable job
of each. The whole South detested this odd appointment of the jewish
Benjamin. Remember, too, that after Lincoln's execution various members
of the CSA spent time in prison --incl Jefferson Davis. That Judah
Benjamin was widely believed to be a plant and operative of the
masons and jewish monied bankers. Moreover, Benjamin was widely
believed to have been instrumental in the execution of Abe Lincoln.
Benjamin escaped the CSA and was spirited away to England where his
monied connections instantly established him as a "great jurist". I
advise all interested parties to read biographies of Judah Benjamin
to see that no one could quite understand: Why was Benjamin appointed
to high Confederate office? How did he escape trial for complicity in
the execution of Abe Lincoln? Who set him up in England and promoted
him as a "great jurist"?
Certainly, well-monied Ashkenazi jews were pulling strings furiously.
But, their shabbaz goyim, the Masons, likely were deeply involved as
well. Any thoughts, here?
Leah Berkowitz
On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:53:42 -0600, Benny Schikelstein
<SC...@frome.idi.com> wrote:
[a lot of miserable crap snipped]
:Benjamin escaped the CSA and was spirited away to England where his
:monied connections instantly established him as a "great jurist". I
:advise all interested parties to read biographies of Judah Benjamin
:to see that no one could quite understand: Why was Benjamin appointed
:to high Confederate office? How did he escape trial for complicity in
:the execution of Abe Lincoln? Who set him up in England and promoted
:him as a "great jurist"?
:
Let's see now. Could is possibly be, uh, that he had BRAINS???
You could use some yourself.
Happy Passover,
Leah "Learned Elder of Zion" Berkowitz
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
Leah Berkowitz leah.be...@usa.net
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1867/ lb...@home.msen.com
"I'm surrounded by idiots." -- Scar in "The Lion King"
William G. Davis
Benny Schikelstein wrote in message <352DDE...@frome.idi.com>...
snip>
>Certainly, well-monied Ashkenazi jews were pulling strings furiously.
>But, their shabbaz goyim, the Masons, likely were deeply involved as
>well. Any thoughts, here?
None detectable.
Maury
Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:53:42 -0600, Benny Schikelstein <SC...@frome.idi.com>
Subject: Judah Benjamin and Masons
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:53:42 -0600
Message-ID: <352DDE...@frome.idi.com>
Reply-To: SC...@frome.idi.com
What is the real lowdown on the formation of the Ku Klux Klan and
the connection to Scottish Rite Masons? We all know that Nathan
Forrest was nominally instrumental in forming the KKK. But what were
the interconnexions with Albert Pike and the West Indies jew
Judah Benjamin. Remember that Judah Benjamin held 3 of the highest
positions in the Confederacy --and did a superficially miserable job
of each. The whole South detested this odd appointment of the jewish
Benjamin. Remember, too, that after Lincoln's execution various members
of the CSA spent time in prison --incl Jefferson Davis. That Judah
Benjamin was widely believed to be a plant and operative of the
masons and jewish monied bankers. Moreover, Benjamin was widely
believed to have been instrumental in the execution of Abe Lincoln.
Benjamin escaped the CSA and was spirited away to England where his
monied connections instantly established him as a "great jurist". I
advise all interested parties to read biographies of Judah Benjamin
to see that no one could quite understand: Why was Benjamin appointed
to high Confederate office? How did he escape trial for complicity in
the execution of Abe Lincoln? Who set him up in England and promoted
him as a "great jurist"?
Certainly, well-monied Ashkenazi jews were pulling strings furiously.
But, their shabbaz goyim, the Masons, likely were deeply involved as
well. Any thoughts, here?
====================================================--
Yes, where do you get these ideas? You have presented -many- ideas
that I have never seen. What sources did you extract these ideas from?
You've asked a lot of unfamiliar questions so how about providing the
answers? Otherwise nothing you've written looks reasonable and people
won't go searching for the answers to those questions you've presented.
I always thought Judah Benjamin was given his CSA position because of his
abilities, not the things you suggest --- and it will remain so unless you can
show the answers to your own questions and provide resources.
HOLLIS6475
>What is the real lowdown on the formation of the Ku Klux Klan and
I been wondering, what ever happened to the "Knights of the Golden Circle"?
Hollis
efr...@cc.memphis.edu
In article <352DDE...@frome.idi.com>, Benny Schikelstein <SC...@frome.idi.com> writes:
> What is the real lowdown on the formation of the Ku Klux Klan and
[snips]
> Certainly, well-monied Ashkenazi jews were pulling strings furiously.
> But, their shabbaz goyim, the Masons, likely were deeply involved as
> well. Any thoughts, here?
No, I don't see any.
Ed Frank
Dennis Maggard
>
>Benny Schikelstein wrote in message <352DDE...@frome.idi.com>...
>snip>
>>Certainly, well-monied Ashkenazi jews were pulling strings furiously.
>>But, their shabbaz goyim, the Masons, likely were deeply involved as
>>well. Any thoughts, here?
>
>None detectable.
ROTFL!!! That has got to be the perfect answer to this post!!!!
Dennis
Kenneth C. Taylor
Forrest was a member of the Aragona Lodge in Tennessee (I assume Memphis
area.)
However he dropped from the masonry order about the same time as he
assumed position in the Klan. Pike was a Mason from Western Star #2 Lodge
Ark. His library was ordered burned and a fellow mason from Iowa, a union
colonel, posted troops around the bldg to protect it.
Margaret Harris
Benny Schikelstein wrote...some fascinating and very real history
on the C.S.A., the KKK, Masons, and jewish intrigue --esp in the
personage of the notorious Benjamin Judah.
I see that you have numerous complaining replies from persons with
typical Eastern European (Ashkenazi) jewish surnames. This is to be
expected. As you correctly noted, Judah Benjamin was a West Indies
Jew. Few historians realize that the slave trade in Black Africans
was almost totally a Sephardic Jewish enterprise --from 1500 to 1860.
Judah Benjamin was a Sephardic Jew in large part with a small
component of Ashkenazi jew on his mother's side.
Another poster asked about the "Knights of the Golden Circle". Again
few historians realize the impact that the KGC had in American
history. They very nearly caused an early --and likely successful--
split of Southern/Mexican States. And, we came within a hair's
breadth of annexing Cuba as another one of the United States.
Judah Benjamin and "his well monied Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish
friends" had a major hand in this. BTW, the power elite in Cuba
today remains firmly in Sephardic Jewish hands. Don't be deceived
by the Spanish (or, Portuguese) sounding names. These are and were
Sephardic Jews with ancient connections in Spain, Portugal, and
Holland (before that in Tunis).
Some fascinating links to information can be found at,
http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=255550247&CONTEXT=885616930.1811612274&hitnum=13
http://www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley/scarlet3.htm
Note that most American Masons will vehemently deny ever being involved
in any political intrigues. They also claim that Albert Pike really
was of little significance in their history. They further claim that
the French "Grand Orient" is not a true Masonic lodge. This is
ridiculous. Finally, in reference to the one poster who cited the
burning of the (demonic) library of Albert Pike. Note that the Nazi
"book burnings" of WW II era had NOTHING to do with Ashkenazi jews.
The books being burned were in fact those of the Grand Orient
and illuminated Masonic lodges in Europe. Something else which is
carefully avoided by most historians.
William G. Davis
Margaret Harris wrote in message <352FDB...@utoronto.can.net>...
>Benny Schikelstein wrote...some fascinating and very real history
>on the C.S.A., the KKK, Masons, and jewish intrigue --esp in the
>personage of the notorious Benjamin Judah.
>
snipped while holding my nose!
>Note that most American Masons will vehemently deny ever being
involved
>in any political intrigues. They also claim that Albert Pike really
>was of little significance in their history. They further claim that
>the French "Grand Orient" is not a true Masonic lodge. This is
>ridiculous. Finally, in reference to the one poster who cited the
>burning of the (demonic) library of Albert Pike. Note that the Nazi
>"book burnings" of WW II era had NOTHING to do with Ashkenazi jews.
>The books being burned were in fact those of the Grand Orient
>and illuminated Masonic lodges in Europe. Something else which is
>carefully avoided by most historians.
So, you advocate the burning of these books? It was justified because
they were Masonic books? And only Masonic books. How do you breathe
with your head up there?
W. G. Davis
Brawnerfar
Thank you, Ms. Harris, for your most enlightening post. I had no idea there
were so many people and groups my mommie forgot to teach me to hate.
Mark Pitcavage
>Few historians realize that the slave trade in Black Africans
>was almost totally a Sephardic Jewish enterprise --from 1500 to 1860.
Few historians realize it because it is demonstrably not true. This
is a myth perpetuated by white and black anti-Semites.
Dr. Mark Pitcavage, spa...@militia-watchdog.org
The Militia Watchdog: Http://www.militia-watchdog.org
Dennis Maggard
>Benny Schikelstein wrote...some fascinating and very real history
>on the C.S.A., the KKK, Masons, and jewish intrigue --esp in the
>personage of the notorious Benjamin Judah.
He was notorious for being the brains of the Confederacy.
>I see that you have numerous complaining replies from persons with
>typical Eastern European (Ashkenazi) jewish surnames. This is to be
>expected.
Expected by who?
> As you correctly noted, Judah Benjamin was a West Indies
>Jew. Few historians realize that the slave trade in Black Africans
>was almost totally a Sephardic Jewish enterprise --from 1500 to 1860.
B.S.
[Much garbage snipped at this point]
>Note that most American Masons will vehemently deny ever being involved
>in any political intrigues.
American Masonry was involved in a little political intrigue called
the American Revolution....but on both sides!!
> They also claim that Albert Pike really
>was of little significance in their history.
Albert Pike was of little significance in the history of Craft Masonry
to which all Masons belong. He was of great significance to the
history of Scottish Rite Masonry in the United States, especially its
Southern Jurisdiction, to which only a fraction of Masons belong.
> They further claim that
>the French "Grand Orient" is not a true Masonic lodge.
After the French Revolution, the Grand Orient of France, which is a
European term for Grand Lodge, dropped the requirement that initiates
believe in God. That being violation of one of the ancient landmarks
of Freemasonry, recognition of the Grand Orient was withdrawn by the
United Grand Lodge of England and most of Freemasonry worldwide.
Currently there are four Grand Lodges of France, of which only one
enjoys international recognition.
> This is
>ridiculous.
It sure is!!!
> Finally, in reference to the one poster who cited the
>burning of the (demonic) library of Albert Pike.
Neither Pike nor his library were demonic. However, book burners are
invariably demonic and someone much wiser than I once said that those
who will burn books will also burn people.
> Note that the Nazi
>"book burnings" of WW II era had NOTHING to do with Ashkenazi jews.
More B.S.
>The books being burned were in fact those of the Grand Orient
>and illuminated Masonic lodges in Europe. Something else which is
>carefully avoided by most historians.
Because Freemasonry has admitted Jews for centuries, it has long
enjoyed the enmity anti-Semites throughout the world, apparently
including Canada. The Nazis routinely destroyed Masonic lodges and
confiscated their property and arrested their leaders; wherever German
armies marched, Freemasonry was driven underground, first in Germany
itself and later throughout German occupied Europe, and several tens
of thousands of non-Jewish Masons died in concentration camps.
Dennis
William G. Davis
Dennis Maggard wrote in message
<35304607...@newsreader.digex.net>...
Thanks for the well written and informative post!
Warm regards,
W. G. Jeff Davis
je...@hehe.com
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
Garnet & Marie Shoup
Margaret Harris <m...@utoronto.can.net> wrote:
**big time snip after which I sent my scissors for sterilization**
> Note that the Nazi "book burnings" of WW II era had NOTHING
> to do with Ashkenazi jews.
**teeny snip of more B.S.
Nope the book burnings had everything to do with trying to erradicate
ideas and impose a common world view on the people of Germany. I used
to think "1984" was bad but then I read about NAZI Germany and figured
as bad as it was "1984" was just fiction. The NAZI's were real and I
can't stand by idily while something even remotely seems to justify or
condone their actions.
Garnet (with apologies for the lack of ACW content) Shoup
mgs...@comnet.ca Canada - the land with 10 months of winter
& 2 months of bad sledding.
CWfan2
>Dennis
>
>
Thanks for the well written and informative post!
Warm regards,
W. G. Jeff Davis
je...@hehe.com
Thank you
You expressed the sentiments of those of us who, today,
celebrate the resurection of a Jew
Botwinick
In reference to Margaret Harris and Benny Schikelstein posts.
These are examples of:
1. anti-semitism
2. jew baiting
3. trolling
3. distortions of history a la protocols of zion
4. hate mongering
HOLLIS6475
>From: botw...@aol.com
>In reference to Margaret Harris and Benny Schikelstein posts.
><BR>
>These are examples of:
>1. anti-semitism
>2. jew baiting
>3. trolling
>3. distortions of history a la protocols of zion
>4. hate mongering
Somehow I have a feeling that Benny Schikelstein is a made up name also....
Hatemongers know no depths in hate.
Hollis
Leah Berkowitz
:Few historians realize that the slave trade in Black Africans
:was almost totally a Sephardic Jewish enterprise --from 1500 to 1860.
Gee, I didn't know Aaron Lopez lives that long!
:friends" had a major hand in this. BTW, the power elite in Cuba
:today remains firmly in Sephardic Jewish hands.
Uh, come again? Ever since the CIA offed Castro in the 1970's, that bearded
fat guy in fatigues is ELVIS. Since when was ELVIS ever a Sephardi?
You aren't Ted Werntz's ex wife by any chance?
Mike Marshall
>On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:05:28 -0600, Margaret Harris
><m...@utoronto.can.net> wrote:
>>Few historians realize that the slave trade in Black Africans
>>was almost totally a Sephardic Jewish enterprise --from 1500 to 1860.
spa...@militia-watchdog.org (Mark Pitcavage) writes:
>Few historians realize it because it is demonstrably not true. This
>is a myth perpetuated by white and black anti-Semites.
Few historians realize that the Chinese anti-Semites think the slave trade
was a Martian enterprise...
-Mike
Len Scher
Leah Berkowitz
On 13 Apr 1998 11:44:01 -0400, hub...@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Marshall)
wrote:
:Few historians realize that the Chinese anti-Semites think the slave trade
:was a Martian enterprise...
:
Jewpiter, Mike. Jewpiter.
Leah "Learned Elder of Zion" Berkowitz
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
donna
I had no previous knowledge that Judah Benjamin was "a West Indies
Jew" or of Sephardic Jewish ancestry before Mr.Schikelstein's post.
Is that true or not?
And, if that is the case, is it also true that Judah Benjamin
was truly despised by the great majority of Southerners? If so,
why did Mr.Benjamin keep getting appointed to those 3 high offices
in the Confederacy?
Looking at turn of the century biographies, I see that Judah
Benjamin did in fact "escape" the march of Federal troops who
considered that Benjamin had complicity in the assassination of
our President Lincoln. These biographies do in fact show that
Judah Benjamin did somehow get spirited away to England. He
somehow then became admitted to the English bar to practice law.
Mr.Schikelstein's post and those hyperlinks do begin to explain
the how and why Judah Benjamin alone escaped the Federal's wrath.
I think too much is made of the Jewish consideration by various
posters. Can't we just examine our history rationally? Whether
they were black, white, or Jewish, this should be a known quantity
that we all can look at. It little serves us, who would take a
long hard look at American history, to recriminate and castigate
posters to the newsgroup who bring to our attention all the various
facets of human history and possible motives.
Caroline Usher
In article <3532B3...@coldmail.net>, do...@coldmail.net wrote:
[snip comments tending to support "Schikelstein"s" post]
>
> Mr.Schikelstein's post and those hyperlinks do begin to explain
> the how and why Judah Benjamin alone escaped the Federal's wrath.
> I think too much is made of the Jewish consideration by various
> posters. Can't we just examine our history rationally?
[snip]
The post in question was far from rational. It derived from a long and
despicable tradition of anti-semitic conspiracy mongering.
--
Caroline Usher
Lute Society of America
"I brake for theorboes."
William G. Davis
donna wrote in message <3532B3...@coldmail.net>...
snip>
>
>Mr.Schikelstein's post and those hyperlinks do begin to explain
>the how and why Judah Benjamin alone escaped the Federal's wrath.
>I think too much is made of the Jewish consideration by various
>posters. Can't we just examine our history rationally? Whether
>they were black, white, or Jewish, this should be a known quantity
>that we all can look at. It little serves us, who would take a
>long hard look at American history, to recriminate and castigate
>posters to the newsgroup who bring to our attention all the various
>facets of human history and possible motives.
It is one thing to bring some (possibly) relevant facts to light in a
discussion. It is something else entirely to launch a vigorous,
bigoted, anti-Semitic diatribe. Had "Mr. Shikelstein's" post been of
the former variety, there would have been little notice.
One of the problems here is with the fact that just as there are
"Shikelsteins" present now, there were "Shikelsteins" present back
during the Civil War era. Undoubtedly, they played somewhat of a role
in the history of men like Judah Benjamin. And they did not limit
their hatred to the Jews. They hated the Blacks, and the Orientals,
and the Native Americans. They were not limited to any specific
region, they existed (even as they still do) throughout the continent.
Though the majority of them are white, not all are. And they are a
blight on the face of humanity. They attempt to warp history with
their own twisted versions, and that interferes with those who would
learn from history. They have other effects on society, and are
dangerous.
Regards,
W. G. Jeff Davis
je...@hehe.com
efr...@cc.memphis.edu
Margaret Harris <m...@utoronto.can.net> writes:
> I see that you have numerous complaining replies from persons with
> typical Eastern European (Ashkenazi) jewish surnames. This is to be
> expected.
Just for the record, my Opa Karl and Oma Lena
were non-Jewish Germans, and their ancestry
was non-Jewish as far back as we can trace it
(admittedly not too far, but then if I'm Askenazi
but don't know it...)
But it is to be expected that fanatical ignorami
must make everything a matter of Jewishness.
Ed Frank
donna
Leah Berkowitz wrote:
> Well, I make everything a matter of Jewishness...
> Leah "fanatical but not ignorant" Berkowitz...
This position that you would create for yourself, Ms.Berkowitz,
which amounts to a "knowledge filter" or gatekeeper who hinders
any information from being disseminated when the ethnic name
"Jew" is mentioned. I really don't think such a strident position
is beneficial to the American public as they go about the business
(and fun) of inspecting their own history. I ask others to note
that persons such as Ms.Berkowitz feel apparently that there
are "professional victim classes" about whom nothing can either
be knowable or discovered. In your case, this "professional
victim class" is the Eastern European who refers to him/herself
as a "Jew".
What about African-Americans or "poor white trash" or any number
of persons who actually had a hand in history? Can or should they
ALL be exempted because certain individuals do not want their
participation to be discussed? I say that that position is not
beneficial to Americans who have a genuine interest in their
history.
Let us get back to Judah Benjamin and see if we can discover how
he received high appointment in the C.S.A. against the will of
the people? Who aided his escape against charges of complicity
in the assassination of Lincoln? Who placed Judah Benjamin and
promoted him in England as a jurist? Let us return to the proper
interest in inspecting American history.
Leah Berkowitz
On Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:54:43 -0600, donna <do...@coldmail.net> [a bogus
address] wrote:
:Mr.Schikelstein's post and those hyperlinks do begin to explain
:the how and why Judah Benjamin alone escaped the Federal's wrath.
:I think too much is made of the Jewish consideration by various
:posters. Can't we just examine our history rationally? Whether
:they were black, white, or Jewish, this should be a known quantity
:that we all can look at.
Here's where to look:
"Jewish-American History on the Web"
Jewish participants in the Civil War
http://www.geocities.com/~walnut_street/jewish.htm
Leah Berkowitz
On 14 Apr 98 09:09:08 -0500, efr...@cc.memphis.edu wrote:
:But it is to be expected that fanatical ignorami
:must make everything a matter of Jewishness.
:
Well, I make everything a matter of Jewishness. :)
Leah "fanatical but not ignorant" Berkowitz & Learned Elder of Zion
HOLLIS6475
>From: 1b...@home.msen.com (Leah Berkowitz)
>Well, I make everything a matter of Jewishness. :)
Leah,
Mark the 14th of August on your calendar, a great day for Zion.
Hollis
William G. Davis
donna wrote in message <35342E...@coldmail.net>...
>Leah Berkowitz wrote:
>
>> Well, I make everything a matter of Jewishness...
>> Leah "fanatical but not ignorant" Berkowitz...
>
>This position that you would create for yourself, Ms.Berkowitz,
>which amounts to a "knowledge filter" or gatekeeper who hinders
>any information from being disseminated when the ethnic name
>"Jew" is mentioned. I really don't think such a strident position
>is beneficial to the American public as they go about the business
>(and fun) of inspecting their own history. I ask others to note
>that persons such as Ms.Berkowitz feel apparently that there
>are "professional victim classes" about whom nothing can either
>be knowable or discovered. In your case, this "professional
>victim class" is the Eastern European who refers to him/herself
>as a "Jew".
This sure is awful short on fact, and awful long on assumption. Your
labels are insultive, and smack of an arrogance you have not
demonstrated any right to have (nor, for that matter, has anyone
else).
>
>What about African-Americans or "poor white trash" or any number
>of persons who actually had a hand in history?
Not that it is particularly relevant, but how can you possibly
insinuate that the Jews had no hand in history. You expose your
ignorance by making assertions like that.
Can or should they
>ALL be exempted because certain individuals do not want their
>participation to be discussed? I say that that position is not
>beneficial to Americans who have a genuine interest in their
>history.
What are you prattling on about here? If you had a genuine interest
in American history you would not be making ill-founded statements
like this.
>
>Let us get back to Judah Benjamin and see if we can discover how
>he received high appointment in the C.S.A. against the will of
>the people? Who aided his escape against charges of complicity
>in the assassination of Lincoln? Who placed Judah Benjamin and
>promoted him in England as a jurist? Let us return to the proper
>interest in inspecting American history.
"proper interest in inspecting American History" means, of course,
your particular version of things, which quite obviously will result
an assigning some guilt or blame for something to a Jewish cabal.
Really. I didn't think sheets came in petite sizes, but then, this is
the 1990s isn't it.
Dennis Maggard
On Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:54:43 -0600, donna <do...@coldmail.net> wrote:
>I had no previous knowledge that Judah Benjamin was "a West Indies
>Jew" or of Sephardic Jewish ancestry before Mr.Schikelstein's post.
>Is that true or not?
It is well known that he was Jewish. His parents being English it is
difficult to imagine that he was Sephardic, but I'm not certain of
that. Who cares? And why?
>And, if that is the case, is it also true that Judah Benjamin
>was truly despised by the great majority of Southerners?
I don't believe that's true at all.
> If so,
>why did Mr.Benjamin keep getting appointed to those 3 high offices
>in the Confederacy?
He kept getting appointed because he was extremely capable, and the
South was lucky to have him.
>Looking at turn of the century biographies, I see that Judah
>Benjamin did in fact "escape" the march of Federal troops who
>considered that Benjamin had complicity in the assassination of
>our President Lincoln. These biographies do in fact show that
>Judah Benjamin did somehow get spirited away to England.
Many tens of thousands of Confederates fled the country after the war.
Several tens of thousands never returned. Given that Benjamin's
parents were English it is hardly surprising that he went England, as
did many others.
> He
>somehow then became admitted to the English bar to practice law.
He got admitted the way all English lawyers got admitted. The man was
a brilliant at everything he did. After becoming a Queen's Counsel he
wrote a book property law that was for many decades a standard of
English jurisprudence and is still remembered today.
>Mr.Schikelstein's post and those hyperlinks do begin to explain
>the how and why Judah Benjamin alone escaped the Federal's wrath.
Once again, he did not escape alone.
>I think too much is made of the Jewish consideration by various
>posters.
Yes, too much is being made of the Jewish consideration by "Donna" and
by "Benny Schiklestein." Way too much....
> Can't we just examine our history rationally?
There's nothing rational about the messages being delivered by "Benny"
and "Donna."
> Whether
>they were black, white, or Jewish, this should be a known quantity
>that we all can look at. It little serves us, who would take a
>long hard look at American history, to recriminate and castigate
>posters to the newsgroup who bring to our attention all the various
>facets of human history and possible motives.
It little serves us not to recognize anti-Semitism when we see it.
Dennis
reb4...@bellsouth.net
efr...@cc.memphis.edu wrote:
>Margaret Harris <m...@utoronto.can.net> writes:
>> I see that you have numerous complaining replies from persons with
>> typical Eastern European (Ashkenazi) jewish surnames. This is to be
>> expected.
>
>Just for the record, my Opa Karl and Oma Lena
>were non-Jewish Germans, and their ancestry
>was non-Jewish as far back as we can trace it
>(admittedly not too far, but then if I'm Askenazi
>but don't know it...)
Askenazi? I always had you pegged as a Melungeon.
BTW, I figure as a citizen of Davidson County I have some
sort of undivided interest in the Tennessee Tuxedos, errrr
Oilers. This interest is for sale. No reasonable offer refused.
Unreasonable offers considered.
a.s.
HOLLIS6475
>From: donna
>Jew" is mentioned. I really don't think such a strident position
>is beneficial to the American public as they go about the business >(and fun)
of inspecting their own history.
Donna,
Donna you are implying Jews are not part of the American History. Jews are a
part of American History as are those groups that you also mentioned. I think
your post also demonstrates Leah's point.
BTW the orginal post (?) was also Anti Masonic.
Hollis
A good movie, "Gentlemans Agreement" Cary Grant, circa 1948-52
James F. Epperson
On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, donna wrote:
> This position that you would create for yourself, Ms.Berkowitz,
> which amounts to a "knowledge filter" or gatekeeper who hinders
> any information from being disseminated when the ethnic name
> "Jew" is mentioned. [Bilge snipped.]
Utter garbage, to be excessively polite about it.
Jim Epperson http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/causes.html
The right half of the brain controls the left half of the body.
This means that only left handed people are in their right mind.
Leah Berkowitz
On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:51:15 -0600, donna <do...@coldmail.net> wrote:
:This position that you would create for yourself, Ms.Berkowitz,
:which amounts to a "knowledge filter" or gatekeeper who hinders
:any information from being disseminated when the ethnic name
:"Jew" is mentioned. I really don't think such a strident position
:is beneficial to the American public as they go about the business
:(and fun) of inspecting their own history. I ask others to note
:that persons such as Ms.Berkowitz feel apparently that there
:are "professional victim classes" about whom nothing can either
:be knowable or discovered. In your case, this "professional
:victim class" is the Eastern European who refers to him/herself
:as a "Jew".
:
There is absolutely no foundation or any truth whatsoever in this pompous
statement. People on this forum all know who I am and where I'm coming
from, and I never said anything about any "professional victim class" of
any ethnic or racial group, nor did I ever claim to be one.
If you want to know my position, visit my website.
Dave Smith
reb4...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Would you trade your share in the Oilers for my share of the
Bengals, even up?
Dave
------------------------------------------------------------
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Villa Hills, Ky --- Lazarus Long
The Cincinnati CWRT http://users.aol.com/cinticwrt/
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David Gehrig
donna wrote:
{the usual "satmar" sludge}
In case you haven't got it yet, "Bennie Schickelstein," "donna,"
and "Margaret Harris" are all the same person -- the same troll
who usually infests alt.tv.simpsons claiming that Lisa is a
Marxist. He dropped some similar sludge into alt.freemasonry,
but usually he just hangs around alt.tv.simpsons spouting his
Christian Identity brand Jewbait under the name "Satmar" --
although he'll occasionally show up in some of the African
American groups trying to (as he did here) peddle the "Secret
Relationship" nonsense.
Hi, "Satmar!" Get a life!
@%<
Paul Tomko
In article <353532...@ixnay.amspay.champaign.pdnt.com>,
Hey, I don't know exactly what Christian Identity is, but I dislike
anything about Christianity being even remotely tied in with Satmar's
ramblings. He is exactly the opposite of what an exemplary Christian
would be.
Paul
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Leah Berkowitz
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:18:44 -0600, David Gehrig
<zem...@ixnay.amspay.champaign.pdnt.com> wrote:
:donna wrote:
:
:{the usual "satmar" sludge}
:
:In case you haven't got it yet, "Bennie Schickelstein," "donna,"
:and "Margaret Harris" are all the same person -- the same troll
:who usually infests alt.tv.simpsons claiming that Lisa is a
:Marxist. He dropped some similar sludge into alt.freemasonry,
:but usually he just hangs around alt.tv.simpsons spouting his
:Christian Identity brand Jewbait under the name "Satmar" --
:although he'll occasionally show up in some of the African
:American groups trying to (as he did here) peddle the "Secret
:Relationship" nonsense.
:
Thank you, Dave. I've been online long enough to recognize "multiple
personalities syndrome" when I see it.
In this case I have to disclaim the troller's nom de net. Satmar is the
name of a large group of Hasidic Jews with headquarters in Williamsburg,
Brooklyn. I am not a member of this sect, but have friends and relatives
who are. They are fine people.
And now back to our regularly scheduled flame wars.
Harry Barnett
David Gehrig wrote:
> donna wrote:
>
> {the usual "satmar" sludge}
>
> In case you haven't got it yet, "Bennie Schickelstein," "donna,"
> and "Margaret Harris" are all the same person -- the same troll
> who usually infests alt.tv.simpsons claiming that Lisa is a
> Marxist. He dropped some similar sludge into alt.freemasonry,
> but usually he just hangs around alt.tv.simpsons spouting his
> Christian Identity brand Jewbait under the name "Satmar" --
> although he'll occasionally show up in some of the African
> American groups trying to (as he did here) peddle the "Secret
> Relationship" nonsense.
>
> Hi, "Satmar!" Get a life!
>
> @%<
The first statement above is either correct, or the three names
represent two or more identities working in concert. All are posted
from fake domains.
It goes by many, many names, in many groups and places, but whatever
name it goes by, it can always be accurately called by the names of
Ignorance and Fanaticism. As someone noted, these existed before and
during the CW, they were dangerous, and I would add that they did
immeasurable damage on both sides, to individuals, to institutions, to
the peace and harmony of the society. When such types get access to the
State apparatus of coercion, they are deadly, to large quantities of
people.
Anyone who does not believe that pure evil exists needs only to meet
these types in the flesh once to be cured of that delusion forever. Why
God does not consign them all immediately to the vile dust from whence
they sprung, unwept, unhonored, and unsung, is a continuing source of
puzzlement to me. Perhaps it is to teach me patience.
It speaks well for the participants in alt.war.civil.usa, generally, in
spite of all the less than kind exchanges that take place on it, that
they recognize the "Schickelstein/donna/Harris" vomitus for what it is.
My only complaint is that the responses have been just a little too
kind.
But pat yourselves on the back, anyway.
Harry E. Barnett
"God grant me patience, and I want it RIGHT NOW!"
Ben Collins
In article <6h3atn$1...@typhoon.xnet.com>, to...@news.xnet.com (Paul Tomko)
wrote:
> In article <353532...@ixnay.amspay.champaign.pdnt.com>,
> David Gehrig <zem...@ixnay.amspay.champaign.pdnt.com> wrote:
> >donna wrote:
> >
> >{the usual "satmar" sludge}
> >
> >In case you haven't got it yet, "Bennie Schickelstein," "donna,"
> >and "Margaret Harris" are all the same person -- the same troll
> >who usually infests alt.tv.simpsons claiming that Lisa is a
> >Marxist. He dropped some similar sludge into alt.freemasonry,
> >but usually he just hangs around alt.tv.simpsons spouting his
> >Christian Identity brand Jewbait under the name "Satmar" --
> >although he'll occasionally show up in some of the African
> >American groups trying to (as he did here) peddle the "Secret
> >Relationship" nonsense.
>
> Hey, I don't know exactly what Christian Identity is, but I dislike
> anything about Christianity being even remotely tied in with Satmar's
> ramblings. He is exactly the opposite of what an exemplary Christian
> would be.
The Christian Identity movement, a favorite among white supremacists and other
scum, states that "pure" white Protestant Christians are God's chosen people,
Jews are agents of Satan, and blacks, Hispanics, Asians, American Indians and
other minorities are "mud people" God made in error. NO responsible theologian
with respectable credentials in all of Christendom believes ANY of this.
Of course, the Satmar and his buddies would say that all the seminaries and
whatnot are run by the "evil Jews..."
___________
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Paul Tomko
In article <6h3nbq$r...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
Ben Collins <MOEsz...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In article <6h3atn$1...@typhoon.xnet.com>, to...@news.xnet.com (Paul Tomko)
>wrote:
>> anything about Christianity being even remotely tied in with Satmar's
>> ramblings. He is exactly the opposite of what an exemplary Christian
>> would be.
>
>The Christian Identity movement, a favorite among white supremacists and other
>scum, states that "pure" white Protestant Christians are God's chosen people,
Ha! Don't these people read the Bible? Israel was the chosen people. It wasn't
until the New Testament that God even opened the door to other races besides
the Israelites.
>Jews are agents of Satan,
The chosen people are agents of Satan? Then God = Satan.
>and blacks, Hispanics, Asians, American Indians and
>other minorities are "mud people" God made in error. NO responsible theologian
>with respectable credentials in all of Christendom believes ANY of this.
Of course not. Anybody who could read would know this. But then, there
probably aren't a heck of a lot of White Supremacists who can read.
Or perhaps they think the Bible is also a bunch of Lies put forth by Jews. In
which case, how can they call themselves Christians.
>Of course, the Satmar and his buddies would say that all the seminaries and
>whatnot are run by the "evil Jews..."
Satmar is a scared pathetic individual. He's usually got some good points
about TS making fun of PC, but he then goes off in some strange tangent
and proceeds to blame the PC movement on Jewish immigrants. What a
goofball.
efr...@cc.memphis.edu
You always were consistent.
> BTW, I figure as a citizen of Davidson County I have some
> sort of undivided interest in the Tennessee Tuxedos, errrr
> Oilers. This interest is for sale. No reasonable offer refused.
> Unreasonable offers considered.
Please, keep them there, with my compliments.
Ed "great name for the UT Math Team-- The Eulers" Frank
James F. Epperson
On 15 Apr 1998 efr...@cc.memphis.edu wrote:
> Ed "great name for the UT Math Team-- The Eulers" Frank
ROFL!!!!!!
And that is a pretty good math department, too . . .
Jim Epperson http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/causes.html
Predestination was doomed from the start.
efr...@cc.memphis.edu
(Leah Berkowitz) writes:
> On 14 Apr 98 09:09:08 -0500, efr...@cc.memphis.edu wrote:
> :But it is to be expected that fanatical ignorami
> :
> Well, I make everything a matter of Jewishness. :)
I thought you made Jews ;)
> Leah "fanatical but not ignorant" Berkowitz & Learned Elder of Zion
Eldress, maybe?
Ed "more closely related to Hans than to Anne :-{" Frank
Mark Pitcavage
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:31:11 -0500, "James F. Epperson"
<eppe...@math.uah.edu> wrote:
>On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, donna wrote:
>
>> This position that you would create for yourself, Ms.Berkowitz,
>> which amounts to a "knowledge filter" or gatekeeper who hinders
>> any information from being disseminated when the ethnic name
>> "Jew" is mentioned. [Bilge snipped.]
>
>Utter garbage, to be excessively polite about it.
There is no reason to be so. "Utter bullshit" comes somewhat closer.
reb4...@dixie-net.com
dmsmi...@aol.com (Dave Smith) wrote:
>reb4...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>>efr...@cc.memphis.edu wrote:
>>
>>>Margaret Harris <m...@utoronto.can.net> writes:
>>>> I see that you have numerous complaining replies from persons with
>>>> typical Eastern European (Ashkenazi) jewish surnames. This is to be
>>>> expected.
>>>
>>>Just for the record, my Opa Karl and Oma Lena
>>>were non-Jewish Germans, and their ancestry
>>>was non-Jewish as far back as we can trace it
>>>(admittedly not too far, but then if I'm Askenazi
>>>but don't know it...)
>>
>>Askenazi? I always had you pegged as a Melungeon.
>>BTW, I figure as a citizen of Davidson County I have some
>>sort of undivided interest in the Tennessee Tuxedos, errrr
>>Oilers. This interest is for sale. No reasonable offer refused.
>>Unreasonable offers considered.
>
>Would you trade your share in the Oilers for my share of the
>Bengals, even up?
That's a crazy idea, Dave. If I am to be stuck with an NFL team
I might as well have one that has a fair chance of at least breaking
even.
But, I would trade Bud Adams for Marge Schott, if you throw in
a couple of prospects.
a.s.
Thelma Hatfield
David Gehrig wrote...some stuff I couldn't really follow?
I'm over in a civil war NG, now it appears? Uh...Dave. Get
a grip, you're seeing Satmars behind every bush, now. While
it is true that the Satmar did ride with Jeb Stuart at Yellow
Tavern and Chickamaugua, I usually don't like to brag about this.
I'm still trying to convince some people here that I'm not:
MutantMan, JEDraw, and...Alan...somebody.
donna
While the tempest in a teapot roils and a few posters agonize
over whether to dare discuss a topic that concerns Jewish
C.S.A. members, I have been looking at old, turn of the century
biographies at Judah Benjamin, Sliddell, and other players.
Since so many of these bio's were written for and by Southern
interests, they make little mention of the Knights of the Golden
Circle --and even less said about the Ku Klux Klan. The question
is: did Scottish Rite Freemasonry have a major hand in installing
a wing of the KKK? I don't see how the Jewish C.S.A. officer
Judah Benjamin figured directly in configuring the KKK --as by
this time he had made his escape to Britain.
From the bio's available, I note this strange notation. Just as
the Masonic library of Albert Pike was burned, so the papers of
Judah Benjamin in England were all burned. When did the nominal
head of the KKKlan, NBForrest disband the "visible" Klan? I think
about 1867? And, I believe Forrest died around 1870.
BTW, if any of this offends either Eastern European Jews, Klan
members, Freemasons, or others...I offer no apologies, here. We
should be inspecting OUR American history and not be told by
"higher authorities" of any stripe that you cannot do this.
Leah Berkowitz
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:28:52 -0600, Thelma Hatfield
<the...@springhouse.net> wrote:
:David Gehrig wrote...some stuff I couldn't really follow?
:I'm over in a civil war NG, now it appears? Uh...Dave. Get
:a grip, you're seeing Satmars behind every bush, now. While
:it is true that the Satmar did ride with Jeb Stuart at Yellow
:Tavern and Chickamaugua, I usually don't like to brag about this.
:
Ahem. As far as I know, there were no Satmars in the Civil War. A
Lubavitcher rabbi visited the White House in 1869 where he met with newly
inaugurated President Ulysses Grant and asked for aid to the Jewish
community of the Holy Land.
It's at--
http://www.geocities.com/~walnut_street/usgrant.htm
Leah Berkowitz
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:44:02 -0600, donna <do...@coldmail.net> wrote:
:While the tempest in a teapot roils and a few posters agonize
:over whether to dare discuss a topic that concerns Jewish
:C.S.A. members, I have been looking at old, turn of the century
:biographies at Judah Benjamin, Sliddell, and other players.
:
What "turn of the century" biography of Judah Benjamin are you referring
to? The one by Pierce Butler written in 1907? All the others were written
much later. And why would a 1907 biography be more reliable than a later
one?
:Since so many of these bio's were written for and by Southern
:interests, they make little mention of the Knights of the Golden
:Circle --and even less said about the Ku Klux Klan. The question
:is: did Scottish Rite Freemasonry have a major hand in installing
:a wing of the KKK? I don't see how the Jewish C.S.A. officer
:Judah Benjamin figured directly in configuring the KKK --as by
:this time he had made his escape to Britain.
In other words, you can't even find one subatomic particle of evidence to
back up your conspiracy theory.
<more mindless chatter snipped>
:
:BTW, if any of this offends either Eastern European Jews, Klan
:members, Freemasons, or others...I offer no apologies, here. We
:should be inspecting OUR American history and not be told by
:"higher authorities" of any stripe that you cannot do this.
Your problem is that you can't find any facts to support your conclusions.
And some of my best friends are Freemasons :)
James F. Epperson
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Leah Berkowitz wrote:
> And some of my best friends are Freemasons :)
Really? I need some brickwork done on my house and all the masons I have
contacted want to charge too much . . .
Jim Epperson http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/causes.html
"Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to
see it tried on him personally." -- A. Lincoln
Leah Berkowitz
On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:53:42 -0600, Benny Schikelstein
<SC...@frome.idi.com> wrote:
[some stuff]
On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:05:28 -0600, Margaret Harris <m...@utoronto.can.net>
wrote:
[some more stuff][yet some more of the basically same stuff]
I'm giving this thread more attention than it really deserves, just in
order to show that serious investigation can just demolish this entire
topic. This afternoon I looked through my biographies of Judah P. Benjamin
(I have the books by Robert Meade and Eli Evans) looking for some
information about his connection to the Masons. The only Mason mentioned in
either book was Slidell's sidekick. There is no evidence, nada, zip, zilch,
null, bupkiss, effis. GOR NISHT that Judah Benjamin was a freemason or ever
had anything to do with them.
I don't understand this attempt to concoct a diabolical conspiracy theory
between two totally non-intersecting sets of essentially harmless human
beings (The Satmar Hasidim and the Freemasons), but, maybe they are living
on another planet (like Jewpiter?)
Oh yes, and Rabbi Berkowitz thinks the EULERS is a great name for a
football team of math geeks.
efr...@cc.memphis.edu
In article <3535B6...@coldmail.net>, donna <do...@coldmail.net> writes:
> While the tempest in a teapot roils and a few posters agonize
> over whether to dare discuss a topic that concerns Jewish
> C.S.A. members,
No discussion was sought; the original post
was nothing more than anti-Semitism disguised
as "innocent questions" about Benjamin and
the Masons. You will find some people here
who know a lot about, and like to discuss,
the Jews of the CSA.
>I have been looking at old, turn of the century
> biographies at Judah Benjamin, Sliddell, and other players.
> Since so many of these bio's were written for and by Southern
> interests, they make little mention of the Knights of the Golden
> Circle --and even less said about the Ku Klux Klan. The question
> is: did Scottish Rite Freemasonry have a major hand in installing
> a wing of the KKK? I don't see how the Jewish C.S.A. officer
> Judah Benjamin figured directly in configuring the KKK --as by
> this time he had made his escape to Britain.
> From the bio's available, I note this strange notation. Just as
> the Masonic library of Albert Pike was burned, so the papers of
> Judah Benjamin in England were all burned.
And so?
> When did the nominal
> head of the KKKlan, NBForrest disband the "visible" Klan? I think
> about 1867? And, I believe Forrest died around 1870.
No, he joined up in '67 and disbanded it in '69 or '70.
Died in 1877.
Ed "higher authority" Frank
HOLLIS6475
Leah,
That's a Mitzvot for you, Tell your Rabbi, he has a sweetie.
Baruck HaShem
Hollis
Oakston
Nikita Khruschev, in his memoirs, stated that the term "Jew",
which is pronounced "Zhyid" in Russian, was an insult to the
Jewish nation He was shocked to hear the term used freely
among Jewish delegates to a Party meeting in the Western
Ukraine. A Jewish colleague, however, assured him that this
usage was considered proper between Jews of the Western
Ukraine, although unacceptable elsewhere in the USSR..
Being descended from Jews of the Western Ukraine, I would
suggest that use of Jew as a noun among Jews has nothing to do
with self-victimization. It is simply a statement of deep
pride that we have survived despite the best efforts of the
Hitlers of this world, past and present, white and black; and that
we have contributed to everything good in the world in a
measure far exceeding our numbers..
Bill (oak...@aol.com)
.
>victim class" is the Eastern European who refers to him/herself<BR>
>as a "Jew". <BR>
><BR>
>victim class" is the Eastern European who refers to him/herself<BR>
>as a "Jew". <BR>
><BR>
Dennis Maggard
On Thus, 16 Apr 1998 01:44:02 -0600, donna <do...@coldmail.net> wrote:
>While the tempest in a teapot roils and a few posters agonize
>over whether to dare discuss a topic that concerns Jewish
>C.S.A. members,
Only in the author's mind. No one here is afraid to discuss Jews in
the Confederacy, and there is one contributor here who can discuss
Jews in the Civil War from now until next Tish-ah b'Av.
> I have been looking at old, turn of the century
>biographies at Judah Benjamin, Sliddell, and other players.
Modern biographies might be more enlightening.
>Since so many of these bio's were written for and by Southern
>interests, they make little mention of the Knights of the Golden
>Circle --and even less said about the Ku Klux Klan.
In conspiracy circles the lack of evidence is often taken as proof
positive of whatever loony assertions of follow....
> The question
>is: did Scottish Rite Freemasonry have a major hand in installing
>a wing of the KKK?
No, not a wing, not a drumstick, not even the wish bone. That is not
to say that some members of the KKK weren't Masons. Some were, and
some were Baptists and some were Democrats, too, but neither of those
organizations founded the KKK either.
> I don't see how the Jewish C.S.A. officer
Cabinet member....
>Judah Benjamin figured directly in configuring the KKK --as by
>this time he had made his escape to Britain.
Note the none too subtle attempt to imply that he somehow indirectly
figured in it.
>From the bio's available, I note this strange notation. Just as
>the Masonic library of Albert Pike was burned, so the papers of
>Judah Benjamin in England were all burned.
That certainly proves a connection!!
FWIW, so far as I can tell Benjamin was not a Mason and Albert Pike's
Masonic library was never burned.
> When did the nominal
>head of the KKKlan, NBForrest disband the "visible" Klan? I think
>about 1867? And, I believe Forrest died around 1870.
The Klan was officially disbanded in 1869 and Forrest died in 1877.
>BTW, if any of this offends either Eastern European Jews, Klan
>members, Freemasons, or others...I offer no apologies, here. We
>should be inspecting OUR American history and not be told by
>"higher authorities" of any stripe that you cannot do this.
Note, yet one more effort to insinuate a relationship between Jews and
Freemasons and the Klux Klux Klan.
To add a little substance to this thread it might be worth pointing
out that Judah Benjamin once challenged Jefferson Davis to a duel due
to an exchange which occurred between them on the U.S. Senate floor
some years prior to the Civil War. Davis refused to duel but instead
offered an apology to Benjamin on the Senate floor, which much
impressed him, and Benjamin in turn accepted the apology so graciously
it much impressed Davis and the two of them were friends ever after.
Come to think of it, we could use more of that around here....
Dennis
Dave Smith
reb4...@dixie-net.com wrote:
>dmsmi...@aol.com (Dave Smith) wrote:
>
snippers
>>Would you trade your share in the Oilers for my share of the
>>Bengals, even up?
>
>That's a crazy idea, Dave. If I am to be stuck with an NFL team
>I might as well have one that has a fair chance of at least breaking
>even.
>
>But, I would trade Bud Adams for Marge Schott, if you throw in
>a couple of prospects.
How's about a couple of Saint Bernards, with the attendent flunkies
complete with pooper scoopers?
Allen, i'm not sure I'd take Marge for Bud.
Lo52964
>dmag...@access.digex.net (Dennis Maggard) >To add a little substance to
this thread it might be worth pointing
>out that Judah Benjamin once challenged Jefferson Davis to a duel due
>to an exchange which occurred between them on the U.S. Senate floor
>some years prior to the Civil War. Davis refused to duel but instead
>offered an apology to Benjamin on the Senate floor, which much
>impressed him, and Benjamin in turn accepted the apology so graciously
>it much impressed Davis and the two of them were friends ever after.
This is true. In La they call it " meeting cute".
LO5 2964
" Don't talk to me about justice, it is bad enough to be mixed up with the
law."
LO5 2964