Such as...

[MITO MINISTER]

Stephen D. Lee's 1906 charge to the SCV is widely cited by members as
one of the organizing principles:

To you, Sons of Confederate Veterans, we will submit the vindication
of the cause for which we fought; To your strength will be given the
defense of the Confederate soldier's good name, the guardianship of
his history, the emulation of his virtues, and the perpetuation of
those principles he loved and which made him glorious and which you
also cherish.

Remember: It is your duty to see that the true history of the South is
presented to future generations....slavery, rape and murder.

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:

[ snip ]

> Remember: It is your duty to see that the true history of the South is
> presented to future generations....slavery, rape and murder.

Mito Minister has an intellectual affliction, "the south on the
brain". It causes him to lecture southerners about the wickedness of
"the South".

Dude, it's been done. LOL

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 4, 11:49 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:

It hasn't been done enough. "Dude" is a rather odd term for a
septuagenarian to use.

[Joel Edge]

On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:49:53 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote
(in article <87zjxej...@gmail.com>):

He has an affliction, I wouldn't call it an intellectual one. Maybe in the
broadest sense.

[Hugh Lawson]

His job is so annoying that he has to go online and be Mito Minister to
relieve the tensions. It must be doubly dreary that he cannot find more
agreable employment. He was in middle school in the seventies he said.

Most men his age are well established in career and family; the idea of
being a grandfather is becoming realistic, for most men his age.

But Mito Minister practices his villainy on the internet.

If anybody needs somebody to look down on, MM meets the
requirements. What a sad sack he is!

hl

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:11:00 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote
(in article <87ehep6...@gmail.com>):

So we're down to discussing whether or not Mito is a good bad-example. I'd
have to contend that he fails even at that. Mildly annoying, I'll give you
that one. There's so many holes in everything he posts. He can't even seem to
keep a logical belief system. He merely seems to rotate around bigotry for a
specific region. And even then the region seems to expand contract to allow
for certain actions. The only thing about Mito that's fascinating to me is
how he came to be the mess he is.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 5, 10:20 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:11:00 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote

> (in article <87ehep6s2j....@gmail.com>):

>
>
>
>
>
> > Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> writes:
>
> >> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:49:53 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote

> >> (in article <87zjxejqpa....@gmail.com>):

No mess here. My ducks are all lined up. You're the one living on
gub'ment handouts and driving a rusty bucket of bolts known as THE
GENERAL LEE.

[Hugh Lawson]

Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:


> The only thing about Mito that's fascinating to me is
> how he came to be the mess he is.

There's probably a sad story there. His self-descriptions bubble over
with resentment and self-pity.

He writes as a fanatical hater of "the south", and then backs away and
says, "Oh, I just do this to get over the stress of my work." But then
his string is jerked again when somebody points out that successful men
have rewarding work, and don't need to abuse others because of it.

So, in every direction he is baffled, frustrated, humiliated.

hl

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 6, 12:09 am, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hardly. You're the one whose entire world has changed - especially
since the 60s. Contraception, civil rights, abortion, secularism,
women's lib - none of which you supported - it's all too much for you
and your ilk.

Your world no longer exists. I'm quite happy with the world as it is,
and want to improve it. Your world is LOST. You are angry and bitter,
along with your fellow Southern Whites, legatees of rapists,
kidnappers and murderers. Demented old fart!

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:


> Hardly. You're the one whose entire world has changed - especially
> since the 60s. Contraception, civil rights, abortion, secularism,
> women's lib - none of which you supported - it's all too much for you
> and your ilk.
>
> Your world no longer exists. I'm quite happy with the world as it is,
> and want to improve it. Your world is LOST. You are angry and bitter,
> along with your fellow Southern Whites, legatees of rapists,
> kidnappers and murderers. Demented old fart!

You don't seem happy MM. To overcome the misery of your job, you go
online to make up lies about people of whom you know nothing. That is
not the work of a happy man.

hl

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:

> You are angry and bitter,
> along with your fellow Southern Whites, legatees of rapists,
> kidnappers and murderers. Demented old fart!

Mito Minister should respect his elders. By his conduct he teaches
those younger than himself how to treat older persons. As Cicero
pointed out (De Senectute, MM if you can still read any Latin) everybody
wants to live long enough to be old.

hl

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:27:45 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
(in article
<717baf82-fcd6-423e...@q3g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>):

Thank you for making my point for me.

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:09:34 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote
(in article <874nflh...@gmail.com>):

So you're saving there are probably family and work issues? I can't see it.
What kind of family and work issues lead to bigotry for an entire region? I
suspect family history. Of course; Hitler hated the Jews and there hasn't
been a satisfactory explanation for that. I can't see being part Jewish and
supposed abuse during Vienna leading to that much self-hate, and by
extension, hatred of all Jews. I know there's a well know hatred of Jews from
many years before. Easy pickings on his part and he needed a scapegoat.

Long term damage (drug abuse?) and mental disease can cause a lot of
disconnect and rationalization for failure and hatred of other people. I
suspect that's our Mito's problem.

[Joel Edge]

On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 01:08:28 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
(in article
<ed15ca2b-ec98-4a85...@ky11g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>):

See what mean. Totally disconnected. He has no idea what you did or didn't
support and is a racist to boot.

[Hugh Lawson]

Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:



> So you're saving there are probably family and work issues? I can't see it.
> What kind of family and work issues lead to bigotry for an entire
> region?

The internet created opportunities for strange persons to express
themselves.

My guess is that Mito Minister chanced upon sites like
alt.thought.southern and others that feature the posts of
self-identified southerners, and discovered he could taunt them with the
antisouthern screeds based on his memory of his US-tv-watching.

It's no secret that many southerners express resentment at the role in
which they are cast by the self-identified national media, take offense
at this, and so on. This situation is already structured for a person
like MM.

My question is, why would anybody find satisfaction in this? In his
case, it simply has to be MM's pleasure that he is (in his dreams)
injuring others. I see no other motivation for such silly posts.

To speak of myself in the third person, MM cannot rationally think that
Hugh accepts MM's statements of what Hugh thinks, feels, etc. MM does
it because he enjoys defaming somebody, with impunity, from behind the
veil of anonymity.

Probably many have imagined themselves delivering the ultimate putdown
to utterly silence and humiliate some disliked person. Most of us are
inhibited from doing this by being normal, morally speaking. MM is not
a normal person.

An unmoderated newsgroup lets MM act this out.


hl

[Hugh Lawson]

Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:

[ snip ]

>> Hardly. You're the one whose entire world has changed - especially
>> since the 60s. Contraception, civil rights, abortion, secularism,
>> women's lib - none of which you supported - it's all too much for you
>> and your ilk.
>>
>> Your world no longer exists. I'm quite happy with the world as it is,
>> and want to improve it. Your world is LOST. You are angry and bitter,
>> along with your fellow Southern Whites, legatees of rapists,
>> kidnappers and murderers. Demented old fart!
>
> See what mean. Totally disconnected. He has no idea what you did or didn't
> support and is a racist to boot.

He may be racist, trying to ape anti-racist opinions. Or he may belong
to an ethnic group that in a non-US situation has been criticized as
being racist. Some time ago I asked him to explain how he reached his
beliefs about racism, and he refused to answer.

That question often separates the bloviaters from those who have beliefs
of some interest.

A thoughtful anti-racist, white, North American will have reflected and
read enough to see the emptiness of MM's south-bashing. The rest say
what they think is respectable, and stop there. Most white people have
not reflected philosophically on racism in a way that connects it up
with their own actions and thoughts.

hl

[Joel Edge]

On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 09:10:05 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote
(in article <87zjxb2...@gmail.com>):

> Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:
>
>
>
>> So you're saving there are probably family and work issues? I can't see it.
>> What kind of family and work issues lead to bigotry for an entire
>> region?
>
> The internet created opportunities for strange persons to express
> themselves.
>
> My guess is that Mito Minister chanced upon sites like
> alt.thought.southern and others that feature the posts of
> self-identified southerners, and discovered he could taunt them with the
> antisouthern screeds based on his memory of his US-tv-watching.

I could agree with that, if he was actually any good at it. I would also have
to question what "US-tv-watching" he was doing to generate his attitude. I
honestly can't remember any TV programming that sinks to the level that Mito
attributes to southerners. Keeping in mind that I think TV is plenty useless
in understanding the south.

>
> It's no secret that many southerners express resentment at the role in
> which they are cast by the self-identified national media, take offense
> at this, and so on. This situation is already structured for a person
> like MM.
>
> My question is, why would anybody find satisfaction in this? In his
> case, it simply has to be MM's pleasure that he is (in his dreams)
> injuring others. I see no other motivation for such silly posts.

He does have many episodes of warped reality. And I can't see why he
humiliates HIMSELF on such a regular basis. Maybe that's his motivation, self
hate.

>
> To speak of myself in the third person, MM cannot rationally think that
> Hugh accepts MM's statements of what Hugh thinks, feels, etc. MM does
> it because he enjoys defaming somebody, with impunity, from behind the
> veil of anonymity.

If he was actually any good at it. Maybe he doesn't recognize that.

[Hugh Lawson]

Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:


> I could agree with that, if he was actually any good at it. I would also have
> to question what "US-tv-watching" he was doing to generate his attitude. I
> honestly can't remember any TV programming that sinks to the level that Mito
> attributes to southerners. Keeping in mind that I think TV is plenty useless
> in understanding the south.

Being southern, I watch tv news and documentaries, especially those
about the southern civil rights movement of the fifties and sixties in a
way that is different from non-southerners. I know that the
documentaries present a selection for the sake of drama, especially a
selection of white southerners, those who most violently opposed the
changes. Besides I lived through the period and I recall my own
feelings.

But I suspect that many non-southerners think as MiMi thinks. Let me
give some support for this suspicion.

Here is a snippet from the Preface of David Chappel's book, Inside
Agitators, whose subject is southern whites who helped the black civil
rights movement:

"This book began with a simple, and to me at the time, startling,
observation: there were white southerners who supported the civil rights
movement. . . . Growing up during the 1960s in what must have been a
typical northern white liberal family, I had an image of the white
South as one big lynch mob waiting to happen. To me Bull Connor and
Sheriff Clark represented the typical . . . southerner."

source:
http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Agitators-Southerners-Rights-Movement/dp/080185234X#reader_080185234X

The picture that David Chappell says he absorbed as a young person is
IMO the picture that MiMi reflects in his posts. You may not recall the
time recently when MiMi challenged me to name one single southern white
who supported the civil rights movement. I was amazed by his ignorance
reflected in the question. Upon being asked he revealed that he hasn't
read much about southern history or black history; he knows what the
thinks he learned watching TV documentaries about these matters.

IMO MiMi learned his American history watching TV. Television shows are
not made by people interested in communicating nuance. LOL.

hl

[Joel Edge]

On Sun, 7 Apr 2013 17:10:04 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote
(in article <8761zyg...@gmail.com>):

OK. He watches way too much TV and reads way too little. I suspect he's never
actually been in the south. Has no connection in any way or with any person.
There's a lot of people in that boat so it doesn't explain his continued
stupidity about the south. I'm more interested in the cause of his outreach
(?) and continued exposure of himself as a clueless idiot. Most people, when
they've had their ass handed to them on regular basis, would quit. Or at
least do a little research. Maybe I'm wrong and he's had exposure to one
person from the south, and not in good way. I doubt if we'll ever know.

[Hugh Lawson]

Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:


> OK. He watches way too much TV and reads way too little. I suspect he's never
> actually been in the south.

He "spent some time" in the Carolinas.

> Has no connection in any way or with any person.
> There's a lot of people in that boat so it doesn't explain his continued
> stupidity about the south. I'm more interested in the cause of his outreach
> (?) and continued exposure of himself as a clueless idiot. Most people, when
> they've had their ass handed to them on regular basis, would quit. Or at
> least do a little research. Maybe I'm wrong and he's had exposure to one
> person from the south, and not in good way. I doubt if we'll ever know.

His view is more widespread. Remember the David Chappell quotation: he
declared that he was surprised to discover that there were ANY southern
whites who helped the black civil rights movement.

Now do an experiment yourself, one I picked up from reading.

In an empty google search box type this query:

why is the south

Google will suggest popular endings for the question, starting with the
most popular. (I borrowed this from a Vernon Burton article I read
recently, in the February Journal of Southern History.) Try it again
with "why do southerners "

I have been studying this issue for about ten years, as a sort of
hobby. A notion of "the south" plays a big part in non-southerners'
imagination of America, as an Evil Force. The white south is the
villain in the non-southern fairy tale of American history. I did not
believe this myself, at first, but the way I was treated in this forum
stimulated me to study the matter.

Soon after I started my inquiry, I ran across some authors who had
already started studying it. Examples are Jennifer Rae Greeson and
David Jansson.

hl

[Joel Edge]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 08:36:10 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote
(in article <87d2u5k...@gmail.com>):

That goes without saying by the aforementioned TV comments. How widespread
might be a matter to argue. Let me know how that works out.

[Hugh Lawson]

Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:


> How widespread
> might be a matter to argue. Let me know how that works out.

I've studied the problem to my satisfaction. At first it was hard to
believe that the villain theory was so credible to so many. I thought
the negative opinion of "the South" was merely a mild disdain; but that
was wrong. It's much stronger than that. But I had to do much reading
and thinking to reach this conclusion, so I won't try to persuade you by
typing newsgroup posts.

The general idea is that there is a True America, which is the
non-southern United States, hindered by "the South", an undigestible
alien culture existing in the territory ruled by the US as a sort of
internal colony. David Jansson calls this "internal orientalism".

Take the question, what was the cause of the Civil War. Suppose you ask,
wasn't the US determination to destroy the Confederacy a cause of the
war? This question does not compute in the villain theory. In the
villain theory the present GOP in the southern states is an extension of
the old white-supremacist Democrats (like Geo. Wallace in his
segregationist phase). Sharecropping was a evil creation of the old
planter class, and them only, to save what they could of their
domination of the rural laboring classes. And so on.

Why didn't more blacks migrate northward in the 1865-1910 period?
Because "the South" had perfected a system of peonage that held the
rural blacks in place.

What caused the end of Reconstruction? Violent resistance by southern
whites.

hl

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 9, 11:32 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:

Southern Whites are to blame for their own failure to go along with
what is indeed the Real America. Southern White Violent Resistance
continues to this day in a more sedate manner - ala the Benefits-Man
and "the Latinist".

The Civil War was preceeded by secession and armed attacks on US
military installations. Secession came about as a defense of slavery
against an imagined attack on that "peculiar institution". White
Southerners provoked a military confrontation and then blamed the
United States for having the nerve to defend its territorial
integrity. What part of TIME-LINE don't you understand, White Boy?
(You see, I can't respect you. Your arguments stem from your defense
of your identity - such as it is - not reason.)

The "determination to destroy the Confederacy" was a legitimate act of
a sovereign nation-state. It is a pity that millions more White
Southerners were NOT executed for treason. (There I go again with the
harsh penalty stuff.)

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:

HL:

>> Take the question, what was the cause of the Civil War. Suppose you ask,
>> wasn't the US determination to destroy the Confederacy a cause of the
>> war?  This question does not compute in the villain theory.

MiMi:

> The Civil War was preceeded by secession and armed attacks on US
> military installations. Secession came about as a defense of slavery
> against an imagined attack on that "peculiar institution". White
> Southerners provoked a military confrontation and then blamed the
> United States for having the nerve to defend its territorial
> integrity.

HL: MiMi evades the question, shifting ground from causation to
justification. His mindset cannot deal with the question.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 10, 10:30 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:

Play with "causation" and "justification" all you like. I'm concerned
with retribution - that never occurred. You White Boys got away
virtually scot-free for 400 years with murder, rape and torture. The
Federal Gub'ment has the right to procsecute you - today - now.

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:


> Play with "causation" and "justification" all you like.

You are the one playing with them; I use the terms seriously.

hl

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 11, 10:13 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:

> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> > Play with "causation" and "justification" all you like.
>
> You are the one playing with them; I use the terms seriously.
>
> hl

You're serious about defending your White Christian Identity. That is
your only argument.

[hla...@hobbit.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me]

More MM lies.