Help with RFE
farhan
Hi - So i finally received my RFE.
Here is the satuiation: NSC is requesting Evidence that me and Fiance
met in person or Submit a statement that supports that our religion
prohibits for us meeting before getting married.
I personally not have seen my fiance in person (beside webcam etc.), as
this is arrange marriage and Plan is/was that when i visit Pakistan in
Oct, i will meet her, have religious gathering and then come to US and
marry. Her parents are OK with that and are willing to do that.
So, how should i reply to this RFE? My culture and religion (Muslim)
prohibits us from meeting. So i am not sure how to word it and what
kind of evidence should i attached to the reply.
Thanks for help!!
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Noorah101
Can you go to a local mosque (or even a religious authority in Pakistan)
and have them write a letter to that effect? That would be the only
thing I can think of as proof that you shouldn't have already met.
Good luck and best wishes :-)
Rene
ScottHenshaw
I have no idea, but would start off buy gathering qoutes or scriptors
from the Koran that state that meeting before marraige is not allowed. I
am not all that famliar with the Musilim faith, thus know of no such
passages. Perhaps there is a cleric at a local mosk who can help you
submit something to that effect. If you are planning a religious
cerimony in the faith that would forbid you to meet beforehand, you
could get something from the person or group that would be performing
the marriage. One thing that is always nice having religious
organizations in our lives is that they are there to help.
wish that I could be of more help as I know that you waited for a very
long time at NSC...
Scott
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ScottHenshaw
Rene, I knew that I spelled mosque wrong:)
jeffreyhy
Farhan,
"i will meet her, have religious gathering and then come to US
and marry"
This sounds as though you can meet before marriage, and you will meet
before the marriage. Further, I know muslim people who have met their
partners before the wedding.
I think you're unlikely to be able to convince the BCIS that you're
entitled to have your petition approved without having met your fiancee
in person.
Regards, JEff
Originally posted by farhan
Folinskyinla
Originally posted by farhan
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Hi:
Review the cases at the following link and you might be able to
figure it out:
]http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/lawsregs/admindec3/d6/index-
htm[/url]
The RFE told you that they want evidence. BCIS has this strange idea
that it is not "evidence" just becuase you say so. Althgouh they are
wrong, your own statement is weak evidence.
My understanding is that in Islam, potential spouses CAN meet prior to
marriage -- however, many Islamic cultures do not allow for it. If you
read up on it, you will see what I mean.
So go to your local mosque and get a detailed letter on muslim tradition
as practiced in Pakistan. Go the library and do research -- make a lot
of photocopies.
Get independent evidence of what you say and submit it.
I just took a look at some of those cases posted at the link and there
was one from Afghanistan and the evidence wasn't that onerous. But I
would get published material if you can.
Take a look at the Libary of Congress "Country Study" on Pakistan
[google it] and go to the discussion of "kinship" -- there is some
language there that supports what you are saying -- but it seems to be
more cultural.
Good luck.
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Immigration & Nat. Law
Cal. Bar Board of Legal Specialization
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Noorah101
Here's a link the unfortunately does not uphold the OPs idea....and BCIS
is probably aware of this.
http://www.pakistanlink.com/religion/2000/04-28.html
Sorry....
Rene
Folinskyinla
Originally posted by farhan
> I know what you are saying and i am well aware that getting married is
> illegally in sense of 129F - we are staying from that. Religious
> gathering to satisfy family members (not close) because otherwise they
> will be mad.
>
> I did some research, so far i found One 129F that was approved in same
> satuation, but it doesn't state what evidence was given:
>
> ]http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/lawsregs/Admindec3/D6/2000/A-
> ug0100_04D6101.pdf[/url]
Hi:
You misread the appeal -- he LOST. What happened is that he filed like
you propose to do, had the engagement ceremony, returned to the US and
filed a SECOND I-129F.
The first was denied -- and the appeal from the denial was "dismissed."
IOW, he lost.
However, the second I-129F was filed AFTER the engagement party, and
that was approved with no problem.
farhan
Thanks everybody for the reply. Here is what i am thinking to do:
1. Meet with Islamic center personal here and ask them for a letter
explaining the law
2. Do some research to see if somebody else had same satuiation and got
approved (i am really not sure where to begin with this one)
3. Get a letter from my parents and her stating that they all approve
of what we are doing.
anything else i should look into?
farhan
Originally posted by Folinskyinla
> Hi:
>
> Review the cases at the following link and you might be able to
> figure it out:
>
> ]http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/lawsregs/admindec3/d6/index.-
> htm[/url]
>
> The RFE told you that they want evidence. BCIS has this strange idea
> that it is not "evidence" just becuase you say so. Althgouh they are
> wrong, your own statement is weak evidence.
>
> My understanding is that in Islam, potential spouses CAN meet prior to
> marriage -- however, many Islamic cultures do not allow for it. If
> you read up on it, you will see what I mean.
>
> So go to your local mosque and get a detailed letter on muslim
> tradition as practiced in Pakistan. Go the library and do research --
> make a lot of photocopies.
>
> Get independent evidence of what you say and submit it.
>
> I just took a look at some of those cases posted at the link and there
> was one from Afghanistan and the evidence wasn't that onerous. But I
> would get published material if you can.
>
> Take a look at the Libary of Congress "Country Study" on Pakistan
> [google it] and go to the discussion of "kinship" -- there is some
> language there that supports what you are saying -- but it seems to be
> more cultural.
>
> Good luck.
Hi. Thanks for feedback!!! - what you mean by "Get independent evidence
of what you say and submit it."? should i have somebody else (possible
fellow pakistanies) write a letter stating that we can't meet before
marriage and arrange marriages are common in Pakistan?
Noorah101
Originally posted by jeffreyhy
> Farhan,
>
> "i will meet her, have religious gathering and then come to US
> and marry"
>
> This sounds as though you can meet before marriage, and you will meet
> before the marriage. Further, I know muslim people who have met their
> partners before the wedding.
>
> I think you're unlikely to be able to convince the BCIS that you're
> entitled to have your petition approved without having met your
> fiancee in person.
>
> Regards, JEff
JEff
Perhaps the "religious gathering" will be a type of marriage blessing
just in the eyes of God without being the legal one they will have in
the states, and this will allow them to be "married" as far as the
family is concerned. Just guessing, to give the OP the benefit of the
doubt. However, I tend to agree with the rest of your post and the
unlikelyhood of BCIS approving.
Rene
ScottHenshaw
Jeffreyhy,
Good point, I did not focus in on that:
"when i visit Pakistan in Oct, i will meet her, have religious gathering
and then come to US and marry. Her parents are OK with that and are
willing to do that. "
This could be a catch 22 for a couple reasons. If I understand this
correctly, Farhan is saying that according to his/her beliefs they
cannot meet before marriage. yet the plan is to meet, have a gathering
and then come to the US to marry. Logic point being that, "they are
meeting". Is the BCIS or embassy going to view this, "Gathering" as a
wedding? If so that voids the K1 visa? Is this custom tailoring the
belief to suite a specific need. You can't meet before hand, but you
kind of sort of are.... We are talking k1 arn't we? Perhaps it would
have been better to just go there marry and file for a K3....
My opinion, and I am probably wrong:
You provide evidence to BCIS that you can't meet and then go there, you
prove that you are either full of poo poo or are custom tailoring your
own beliefs to suite your needs.
Or you are going there for a, "Gathering" which is more or less a secret
marraige or union to passify the parents. Can't be a fiancee and a
wife/husband at the same time.
Keep in mind that the rules and regulations of the BCIS are not custom
tailored to fit what her parents are, 'Ok with".
Scott
ScottHenshaw
Farfan,
I think that you are missing the point. You need to first provide
evidence that you are a member of a religious organization. Then provide
documentation from that organization that what you say is true, ie;
clerics, clergymen or whomever would be considered a reputable source.
The average person would probably not suffice.
On your points:
1. Meet with Islamic center personal here and ask them for a letter
explaining the law
~~~ Great idea
2. Do some research to see if somebody else had same satuiation and got
approved (i am really not sure where to begin with this one)
~~~ Good idea, also maybe the Islamic Center can point you in the
direction of some legal help.
3. Get a letter from my parents and her stating that they all approve of
what we are doing.
~~~ BCIS more than likely is not interested in what the parents think.
Really trying to help and not be negative, but I think that you are
walking up a slippery slope with this one.:)
farhan
Originally posted by ScottHenshaw
> Jeffreyhy,
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> Scott
I know what you are saying and i am well aware that getting married is
illegally in sense of 129F - we are staying from that. Religious
gathering to satisfy family members (not close) because otherwise they
will be mad.
I did some research, so far i found One 129F that was approved in same
satuation, but it doesn't state what evidence was given:
]http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/lawsregs/Admindec3/D6/2000/Aug-
0100_04D6101.pdf[/url]
Noorah101
Farhan
It looks like your best bet is to go ahead to Pakistan as you plan, get
engaged (call it what you wish over there...religious ceremony,
engagement....) and then come back to the states and go the I-129F/K1
now that you've met the requirements. Or, get married for real in
Pakistan and do the I-130/K3. Not to be negative, but I also think
you'll have a hard time convincing BCIS that there was NO way you could
meet your fiance. :-(
Rene
farhan
Originally posted by Noorah101
> Farhan
>
> Rene
Oh, I am not giving up this soon :) -
So far i found one 129F app that was approved with exact same
circumtances. (]http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/lawsregs/admind-
ec3/d6/2003/JAN0803_02D6101.pdf[/url]) - I am from same region (not
Afganistan but boarder line), so same tradition etc.
So.. this is what i did so far:
1. Wrote a letter to Embassy of Pakistan is US to see if they will give
me a letter acknowledging that according to Pakistani tradition,
engagement are arranged by the couple’s parents, photos are
exchanged when one of the parties lives abroad, and physical contact
is not allowed until they are married.
2. Meet with Islamic Center offical to get letter about Islamic Law
3. Send more engagement pics
And if worst come to worst, When i visit Pakistan. I will marry my
fiance, in that case we might apply DCF or K3 ..
Folinskyinla
Originally posted by farhan
> Oh, I am not giving up this soon :) -
>
> So far i found one 129F app that was approved with exact same
> circumtances. (]http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/lawsregs/admi-
> ndec3/d6/2003/JAN0803_02D6101.pdf[/url]) - I am from same region (not
> Afganistan but boarder line), so same tradition etc.
>
> So.. this is what i did so far:
>
> 1. Wrote a letter to Embassy of Pakistan is US to see if they will
> give me a letter acknowledging that according to Pakistani
> tradition, engagement are arranged by the couple’s parents, photos
> are exchanged when one of the parties lives abroad, and physical
> contact is not allowed until they are married.
>
> 2. Meet with Islamic Center offical to get letter about Islamic Law
> 3. Send more engagement pics
>
> And if worst come to worst, When i visit Pakistan. I will marry my
> fiance, in that case we might apply DCF or K3 ..
Hi:
Read that case CAREFULLY and then note your plan. You have cited two
cases -- your situation is closer to the first case. Note the
requirement that you can NOT meet your intended at the engagement party
on this one.
Bet you end up filing that second I-129F.
farhan
Originally posted by Folinskyinla
> Hi:
>
> Read that case CAREFULLY and then note your plan. You have cited two
> cases -- your situation is closer to the first case. Note the
> requirement that you can NOT meet your intended at the engagement
> party on this one.
>
> Bet you end up filing that second I-129F.
I will take that bet :) - I will keep you posted.
I do understand we have very slim chance of getting this done, but i
want to try few things. I don't like failing.
Also if i am bound to reapply, i will apply for I-130(after we get
married). Can i change the status, or have to go through whole
painfull process?
ScottHenshaw
Farhan,
I admire your determination. It is clear that you must truley be in
love with this woman to work so hard to be together. Believe me, I know
how difficult it can be, (Waiting for NSC is bad enough). Regardless of
how what happens when, you are bound to share a wonderful life and
family with this woman. If you stay focused on that point, you are sure
to succeed.
farhan
Originally posted by ScottHenshaw
> Farhan,
>
> I admire your determination. It is clear that you must truley be in
> love with this woman to work so hard to be together. Believe me, I
> know how difficult it can be, (Waiting for NSC is bad enough).
> Regardless of how what happens when, you are bound to share a
> wonderful life and family with this woman. If you stay focused on that
> point, you are sure to succeed.
>
> Scott
Oh I do love her :) - i was just talking to her and telling her that. I
talked to her mom, and she is going to talk to some priest in pakistan
and send me a letter about tradition etc. today
Thanks for kind words!! (hug)
ScottHenshaw
Thanks... I was actualy just sitting on the porch smoking a big fat
stoggie and checked my email. I recieved an email from the Philippines
NSO that the marriage index check is done and will be picked up on
Friday:) Should only be a few more weeks for me:) The INS, BCIS,
Embassy, Consulates may have the power to delay things for us, but they
do not have the power to dictate who we can or can't love. I hope not
anyway:) Hang in the and be persistant and you time will come:)
jeffreyhy
Farhan,
You are developing information that contradicts what you want to
accomplish.
If the embassy of Pakistan gives you a letter confirming that Pakistani
tradition dictates that you and your fiancee cannot meet until your
wedding day, how are you simultaneously going to explain to the BCIS
that they should accept this tradition but you are going to violate it
by not marrying your fiancee until you are back in the USA?
And if you are going to marry your fiancee on the day that you meet, how
do you expect the BCIS to approve your petition for a fiancee rather
than a petition for a spouse.
If you can go to Pakistan to meet your fiancee before bringing her back
to the USA for marriage, then you can go to Pakistan to meet your
fiancee before filing an I-129f.
You're wallowing in a deep pile of your own doo-doo.
Regards, JEff
Originally posted by farhan
> Oh, I am not giving up this soon :) -
>
> So far i found one 129F app that was approved with exact same
> circumtances. (]http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/lawsregs/admi-
> ndec3/d6/2003/JAN0803_02D6101.pdf[/url]) - I am from same region (not
mrtr...@sbcglobal.net
> Thanks everybody for the reply. Here is what i am thinking to do:
>
>
>
> 1. Meet with Islamic center personal here and ask them for a letter
> explaining the law
>
> 2. Do some research to see if somebody else had same satuiation and got
> approved (i am really not sure where to begin with this one)
>
> 3. Get a letter from my parents and her stating that they all approve
> of what we are doing.
>
The OP stated:
> as
> this is arrange marriage and Plan is/was that when i visit Pakistan in
> Oct, i will meet her,
He will meet her in Pakistan and then come BACK to the US for the
wedding. So, that clearly indicates he will have met her before she
comes to the US. When he meets her, then he can file the I-129F.
mrtr...@sbcglobal.net
> I know what you are saying and i am well aware that getting married is
> illegally in sense of 129F - we are staying from that. Religious
> gathering to satisfy family members (not close) because otherwise they
> will be mad.
>
But, you indicated that you were meeting in Pakistan and then coming to
the US before the wedding. This means you could meet in Pakistan, file
the I-129F, then she could come to the US on a K-1. I don't understand
why you are asking for a waiver of meeting since you clearly indicate
you are going to Pakistan to meet her BEFORE she comes to the US to get
married.
mrtr...@sbcglobal.net
>
> 1. Wrote a letter to Embassy of Pakistan is US to see if they will give
> me a letter acknowledging that according to Pakistani tradition,
> engagement are arranged by the couple’s parents, photos are
> exchanged when one of the parties lives abroad, and physical contact
> is not allowed until they are married.
That is not what you said.
You indicated you were going to Pakistan and will meet and have a
religious gathering, then come to the US to get married.
So, how do you explain to BCIS that you are required to marry without
meeting when you have already indicated you will have a meeting in
Pakistan before getting married.
Folinskyinla
Originally posted by Noorah101
> IMHO, the OP is going to be spending precious time pursuing an avenue
> where the chances of success are low. I think the idea behind it is
> honorable (persistence, determination...), however, after weighing the
> odds, I personally would opt for meeting and then doing another I-129F
> that will be readily accepted by BCIS without all the hassle. Of
> course this is just my own idea, but if it were me, I would want to be
> united with my love and start a life together ASAP. Especially
> knowing that a case from Pakistan could go through such long delays in
> security checks, etc....why would I put added strain and lengthy
> delays on
Folinskyinla
Originally posted by Noorah101
> IMHO, the OP is going to be spending precious time pursuing an avenue
> where the chances of success are low. I think the idea behind it is
> honorable (persistence, determination...), however, after weighing the
> odds, I personally would opt for meeting and then doing another I-129F
> that will be readily accepted by BCIS without all the hassle. Of
> course this is just my own idea, but if it were me, I would want to be
> united with my love and start a life together ASAP. Especially
> knowing that a case from Pakistan could go through such long delays in
> security checks, etc....why would I put added strain and lengthy
> delays on top of that?
>
> Just my opinion.
> Rene
Hi Rene:
Is is not "just" YOUR opinion. I told the OP where he might find some
INS/BCIS opinions on the matter and he found them! Those two cases
which HE found state what you just stated.
Another unstated issue in his case is whether or not you can file the
I-129F before you are fully qualified to do so. Unfortunately, BCIS
treats this as "jumping the gun". Their legal rationale is that you
must be fully qualified on the filing date -- and they rely on an old
precedent decision by the name of Matter of Katigbak [don't recall the
citation and I'm not looking it up just now]. However, when one
actually READS Katigbak, the rationale of that case was that one was not
allowed to establish a "priority date" for a numerically restricted
immigrant classification.
That rationale does not apply to immediate relative immigration
[including K-1]. And long practice has allowed "early" filing in other
contexts. So, by way of example, lets say the US citizen has a
California judgement of dissolution which has a delayed effective date
[the ananlogue of the "decree nisi" automatically becomes a final
"decree absolute" on a date certain], IMHO, the law would allow the
filing of the I-129F before then. However, BCIS would not approve it
and it ain't worth it to sue the bastards.
Yeah, it ain't fair. Go figure.
Noorah101
IMHO, the OP is going to be spending precious time pursuing an avenue
where the chances of success are low. I think the idea behind it is
honorable (persistence, determination...), however, after weighing the
odds, I personally would opt for meeting and then doing another I-129F
that will be readily accepted by BCIS without all the hassle. Of course
this is just my own idea, but if it were me, I would want to be united
with my love and start a life together ASAP. Especially knowing that a
case from Pakistan could go through such long delays in security checks,
etc....why would I put added strain and lengthy delays on top of that?
Just my opinion.
Rene
ScottHenshaw
Rene,
Excellent point!
Ayisha
Farhan, is the religious meeting actually going to be the nikah? Be
careful if it is, because if it's recognized as a legal marriage in the
country where it takes place, it's recognized as legal by the US.
How long can you stay in Pakistan? If you have some time to spare,
Pakistan allows DCF as long as the US citizen stays in Pakistan for
six months. Then you can apply for an immigration visa and it takes
about one to two months. If I didn't have a teaching job to come back
to, I would have done that. I had already been there for three months
for my wedding.
I was in the same situation as you (arranged mariage, not meeting my
fiance, etc.) and I was thinking of applying for the K-1. However, the
immigration attorney who worked in my brother's law office said <b>not
to do that</b> because the INS will just reject it. He's a highly
respected attorney, and he's on the Immigration Board in Michigan, so I
trust him. He said that the only country that the INS (now BCIS) readily
accepts the "no meeting before marriage" excuse is an African country,
who's name escapes me at the moment. He also said not to do the nikah,
and come back and file the fiance visa, because there have been a lot of
couples that he had dealt with who had been denied for that reason. Plus
the embassy knows about nikah, and what it signifies. They could deny
her there.
Good luck in whatever you decide to do. :)
farhan
You all are discouraging me :( -
All of you have very valid points and i am stupid to not listen to them.
Few answers:
1. Yes i will be meeting my Fiance before marriage - and it does make
sense to reapply after i come back. We got engaged on Dec 26, 2003
- and i applied for her on Jan 31st and am plaining to visit home in
Nov/Dec. There was not much time for me to visit Pakistan and it
was wish of my dieing Grand Father (who passed away in Feb) to see
my get engaged. Now, only reason i applied for 129F for my Fiance
is because i want her to come here with me in Dec.. I made sure her
parents are Ok with that (NO legal marriage etc... so she will still
be my Fiance when we step foot in US) - Throught process was that
though we only have < 1% chance of getting approved, its worth
trying.. and if it gets denied, we can apply for change of status
(in which case, we will just get married in Pakistan in NOv, and i
will apply for change of status or apply K3 visa).
2. I am sure there are a lot of legal issues blah blah around this - but
all we want is to be together in Dec and this made sense.
So - We can go around in circles about this all day.. i do understand
the issues and i am sure I am stuburn replying back to the RFE.
So - whatif i reply back with following evidence, what is worst that
can happen?
1. Letter from Pakistanies Embassy providing evidence that its custom
that we don't meet eachother before marriage - In my case, i will
add a letter from my Family stating that they are giving us
permission to come to US to getting married. I already have letter
of Intents from my Fiance.
2. Letter from Islamic Center explaining rules etc.
3. Some cases i found with similar circumtances.
Thanks for help!! :)
farhan
Originally posted by Ayisha
> Farhan, is the religious meeting actually going to be the nikah?
> Good luck in whatever you decide to do. :)
No its not Nikah - I made sure her family agreed to this. I know Nikah
is legal Marriage and i couldn't do that if i apply for 129F
mrtr...@sbcglobal.net
> Originally posted by Ayisha
>
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>>Farhan, is the religious meeting actually going to be the nikah?
>
>
>>Good luck in whatever you decide to do. :)
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> No its not Nikah - I made sure her family agreed to this. I know Nikah
> is legal Marriage and i couldn't do that if i apply for 129F
>
Can you explain how you can't meet before marriage because of your
religion, but are still meeting in Pakistan prior to her coming back to
the US? Isn't this a "meeting" as defined for the purpose of the K-1?
While it might not be convenient for you for you to wait until then to
filing the I-129F, I don't understand how you are still saying you won't
meet until the marriage. Did I read something wrong?
ScottHenshaw
Farhan,
One piece of advise that I gave that I have not seen from you was to see
if your local mosque or religious congrigation can provide you with a
member or service that can assist you with this matter with more of a
legal capacity, ie; an actual immigration attorney whom specializes in
this sort of thing.
Looking at your situation from a mathmatical logic point, you can't win
this time around. X = you cant meet before marriage, N = You are going
to meet before marraige, thus X will never equal N. Being that Pakistan
is in an area with such attention around it, I would certainly not try
to do anything that might come across as tricking the BCIS.
Unfortunalty, not responding to the RFE might come across that way also.
My final piece of advice for what it is worth: Realize that you have
already jumped in the water and need to finish the swim. You made some
big mistakes by not reading or understanding the I-129f and the
conditions of meeting or faith based reasons for not meeting. If you
would have understood better, you would have given more details to the
BCIS upon submission of the forms. It is time to contact and immigration
attorney who deals with this on a day by day basis. Otherwise, you may
need to consider moving there for a period of time as the previous
poster listed.
ScottHenshaw
Also, Farhan.... Please stop saying that, "Her family is OK, with this
or that, or they agree".... I realize that having them on your side is
important, but in reality it is her that you are going to marry, not the
family. Not to underestimate the value of family in your religion, but
there is a reality factor involved and it is the rules of BCIS and DOS
that are going to determine weather or not you are going to start a
family here or in Pakistan, not what her parents like or dislike...
Folinskyinla
Originally posted by farhan
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> Few answers:
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> Thanks for help!! :)
Hi:
There is nothing wrong with responding to the RFE with a withdrawal of
the petition explaining that you now realize it was filed prematurely.
Then when you refile -- disclose the prior filing and provide a
complete copy.
farhan
Originally posted by
Mrtr...@Sbcglobal.Net
> farhan wrote:
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all it boils down to is that i have not met with her until now -
thats the problem. We will meet and if we fail to get 129F approve,
get married in Nov/Dec. So problem is not that we can't meet but i
haven't "yet"
ScottHenshaw
True, but it also boils down to the fact that the BCIS might think that
you or your fiancee are trying to pull a fast one if you do not address
with them why you filed for a petition and are not following through.
This of course would be by replying to the RFE as you stated you would
based on your religious beliefs. Why would you be unwilling to consulate
with an attorney, as I have not heard you mention it once? With your
last statment, "all it boils down to is that i have not met with her
until now - thats the problem. We will meet and if we fail to get 129F
approve, get married in Nov/Dec. So problem is not that we can't meet
understand or are unwilling to understand what many of the people are
saying here... Sound like a Dr. Suess riddle to be hinest with you.
I am Sam
Sam I am
I do not like that Sam I am
green eggs and ham
:)
You have a certain amount of time to respond to the RFE and you need to
do it... Only leg that you have to stand in is verifying your religious
beliefs do not allow for meeting. If you meet before hand, you verify to
the BCIS that you are not telling the truth.
mrtr...@sbcglobal.net
>
> all it boils down to is that i have not met with her until now -
> thats the problem. We will meet and if we fail to get 129F approve,
> get married in Nov/Dec. So problem is not that we can't meet but i
> haven't "yet"
Then the discussion on religious issues made no sense, as the religion
doesn't prevent you from meeting before the wedding, since you are
meeting before the wedding. Given that, I didn't understand what the
argument to BCIS would be to waive the requirement to meet.
Noorah101
Originally posted by farhan
> all it boils down to is that i have not met with her until now - thats
> the problem. We will meet and if we fail to get 129F approve, get
> married in Nov/Dec. So problem is not that we can't meet but i haven't
> "yet"
Be sure BCIS never sees this thread! You've just contradicted your
original post which states the reason for you not meeting is that your
religion prohibits it. Right here you've said clearly that it's not
that you **can't**, but just haven't **yet**. BCIS will never accept
this line of thought. You also said it clearly yourself, that "I have
not met with her until now - that's the problem". As soon as you fix
the problem, all will fall right into place.
Also, as Scott said...it really makes no difference what her family
agrees to. Bottom line is what BCIS requires, not what everyone agrees
on. A statement from them will most likely not change their minds. As
stated previously, a statement from a religious leader/specialist would
be more persuasive. But that again goes back to the fact that you've
just said it's OK to meet...** sigh **
Wish you all the best...
ene