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DRLev

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May 7, 2001, 6:14:18 PM5/7/01
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http://www.superstar.com/atop150_index.asp
The URL above is making false advertising claims by saying that the channels listed below
are not available on C-Band. The company must know these are blatant lies, their own web
pages show that most of them are available.

BBC America
Bloomberg TV
Discovery Civilization
Discovery Home & Leisure
Discovery Kids
Discovery Science
Discovery Wings
DIY: Do It Yourself
Food Network
Love Stories
Mystery
Noggin
Outdoor Life Network
Toon Disney
True Stories
WAM!


http://www.superstar.com/4dtv_index.asp will show these channels are available on C-Band
Discovery Civilization
Discovery Home & Leisure
Discovery Kids
Discovery Science
Discovery Wings
Noggin
BBC America


http://www.cssnps.com/4dtv/channel.html will show these channels are available on C-Band
True Stories
WAM!
Love Stories
Mystery

http://www.4dtv.com/Programming/search.html a search at this URL will show these channels
are avaialble on C-Band
DIY: Do It Yourself
Food Network
Outdoor Life Network
Toon Disney


To find this channels search for Bloomburg at http://www.4dtv.com/Programming/search.html
There seems to be some confusion as to it's spelling.
Bloomberg TV


DRLev

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May 7, 2001, 6:14:18 PM5/7/01
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DRLev

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May 7, 2001, 6:19:59 PM5/7/01
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I contacted the Netlink/Superstar/Turner webmaster about this false advertising and here is
his reply. Which is nothing more than rationalization.

====

The channels which are in bold on that webpage are not available on
C-Band. It is possible that these channels are available through a 4DTV
receiver on the DIGITAL side. None of these channels are available on the
C-Band analog side. If, by chance, they are available on C-Band they are
available as a free feed they have not informed us that they are now
available on C-Band. If you have a location on the analog C-Band side
please let us know.

Thanks,
C-Band Webmaster


DRLev

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May 7, 2001, 6:28:50 PM5/7/01
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I have filed an online complaint to the FTC at http://www.ftc.gov/ . They have replied to
that complaint and informed me that this does fall within their jurisdiction.

I want to encourage aother people to do the same. These blatant lies by these providers is
an insult to the C-Band community.

Also if anybody has received any mailings from these providers containing the false
advertising I urge you fo conatact your state's Attorny General. These mailing can be in the
form of ads or in the monthy publication that these providers mail to their customers.

I know of a few people that have contactedd their state's Attorny General and are making
some progress with them ... one person I am thinking of told me that his AG is preparing a
case.


Eric Kotz

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May 7, 2001, 8:33:51 PM5/7/01
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This is pushing it, but for a technicalitity, you could say that channels
that are distributed via C-band, but in a format that home dish owners
cannot receive, included encrypted MPEG2, Unsubscribable DC2, or other
formats, even though we cannot receive them they are still available on
C-band, so in other words, virtually everything (Everything? I haven't
checked) is available that they claim isn't.

Eric Kotz
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DRLev

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May 7, 2001, 9:09:38 PM5/7/01
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I agree

But I am attempting to limit my arguments to channels that are available in analog.
videocipher and are in the 4DTV's IPG. Some of the channels mentioned at the web site are
available DVB FTA. Most of them are listed on these provider's web sites as being available
by subscription.

http://www.superstar.com/4dtv_index.asp lists TechTV as unavailable on C-Band. As you know
this channel is on C4 12 NTSC non-encrypted. I had informed the FTV of the fraudulent claims
at that URL in another message to them.


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Kevin

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May 8, 2001, 6:20:04 AM5/8/01
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I'm a little confused here. If your arguing that the channels you listed in
the first post of this thread are available on ANALOG C-band your just plain
wrong there. They may well be available on digital C-band either DC2 (4DTV)
or on MPEG2 DVB. But they are not available on analog, either in the clear
or Videocipher 2+.

Kevin

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DRLev

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May 8, 2001, 1:06:00 PM5/8/01
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You are confused because it is these providers intent to confuse you with misleading
statements.

These providers claim those feeds are not available on C-Band

There was not mention in any of their ads mentioning analog C-Band. These same people sell
subscriptions to most of these channels for 4DTV, therefore they know that they are
available and are intentionally misleading in their ads.

They are available on C-Band.

4DTV is C-Band

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Gary Tait, The Real

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May 8, 2001, 3:29:26 PM5/8/01
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It should be written that not on C-band means they are not transmitting
form satellites in the 3.7-4.2 band. If they are, they are on C-band.
Period.

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Eric

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May 8, 2001, 3:56:27 PM5/8/01
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Kevin wrote:

> I'm a little confused here. If your arguing that the channels you listed in
> the first post of this thread are available on ANALOG C-band your just plain
> wrong there. They may well be available on digital C-band either DC2 (4DTV)
> or on MPEG2 DVB. But they are not available on analog, either in the clear
> or Videocipher 2+.

C-band is C-band, be it analog or digital. The website ad says they are
not available on C-band. This is plain WRONG and they know it. It is
propaganda to sell DISH systems, plain and simple.


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Eric Kotz

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May 8, 2001, 5:52:33 PM5/8/01
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Funny, they claim TechTV is not available. Boy, I wonder what this channel
is I'm watching these guys Named Leo Laport and Patrick Norton on right now
as I write this. Even more amusing is ZDTV is the reason that I installed
my FIRST :-) dish. I wanted it WAAAAAAAY back in the beginning, wasn't on
DTV or Dish. You know, back when their frontpage said they were available
on Satcom C4 transponder 12? When kate was on TSS. Boy I liked it better
then.....

Anyway, something that MIGHT do some good, though I doubt it, is to email
all the channels that are incorrectly on that list, see if they respond and
pressure superstar.

Eric Kotz
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ntaylor

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May 8, 2001, 9:46:42 PM5/8/01
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On Tue, 08 May 2001 21:52:33 GMT, "Eric Kotz" <eric...@my-deja.com>
>
>Anyway, something that MIGHT do some good, though I doubt it, is to email
>all the channels that are incorrectly on that list, see if they respond and


For Christ's sake leave well alone, writing to the programmers
is a dumb idea. How many channels have we lost in the past
due to do-gooders.

DRLev

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May 9, 2001, 5:04:34 AM5/9/01
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You can express your opinion at
http://www.netlinksat.com/ContactUsForm_index.asp

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Gary Tait, The Real

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May 9, 2001, 9:24:21 AM5/9/01
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It would be better to bring in other C-band parties, namely GI and NPS.

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Gary Tait, The Real

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May 9, 2001, 9:26:14 AM5/9/01
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Eric Kotz wrote:
>
> Funny, they claim TechTV is not available. Boy, I wonder what this channel
> is I'm watching these guys Named Leo Laport and Patrick Norton on right now
> as I write this. Even more amusing is ZDTV is the reason that I installed
> my FIRST :-) dish. I wanted it WAAAAAAAY back in the beginning, wasn't on
> DTV or Dish. You know, back when their frontpage said they were available
> on Satcom C4 transponder 12? When kate was on TSS. Boy I liked it better
> then.....

I remeber when Leo wore a suit. They did a whole day when the the DOJ vs
MS
suit was launched, a week into then ZDTV.

Kevin

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May 9, 2001, 6:09:25 PM5/9/01
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I agree that the afore mentioned channels are on C-band. And, yes it's
a lie to say they are not available on C-band especially when they are
on 4DTV . That wasn't my confusion here. DRLev in the post I was
replying to had this in it:

>But I am attempting to limit my arguments to channels that are available in >analog. videocipher and are in the 4DTV's IPG. Some of the channels >mentioned at the web site are available DVB FTA. Most of them are listed >on these provider's web sites as being available by subscription.

Now, none of the channels he listed are analog (with the exception of
Tech TV) nor are they Videocipher. I was just seeking a bit of
clarification here. You need to get your info right if your going to
try complaining to somebody like your state Attorney Generals office
(As he suggested doing).

Kevin

proctor...@gmail.com

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Sep 14, 2018, 4:10:36 PM9/14/18
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I Wonder What Channel numbers are for The Discovery Wings Channel, The Discovery Civilization Channel,The Discovery Science Channel,The Discovery Kids Channel, The Discovery Home & Leisure Channel,BBC America,Noggin,The True Stories Channel,The Mystery Channel,The Love Stories Channel,WAM! Bloomberg Television,Toon Disney Channel,Food Network,OLN And DIY: The Do-it Yourself Network. What do You Think?

JAB

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Sep 14, 2018, 5:56:02 PM9/14/18
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:10:35 -0700 (PDT), proctor...@gmail.com
wrote:

>I Wonder What Channel numbers are for
>The Discovery Wings Channel,....

https://www.lyngsat.com
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