without the Replay servers
Mark Lloyd
(5080, 5060, 5504) including changing the time server to
time.nist.gov. This morning I set a filter in my router to block all
connections to *.replaytv.net . Getting the guide from Schedules
Direct and updating the Replays seems to work fine. There are a few
errors in the WiRNS log, but everything seems to work.
Here's the error log (WiRNS on 192.168.1.12, Replay on 192.168.1.50):
WiRNS Debug Log
[6/27/2011 12:43:57] HTTPClient: HTTP error connecting to
production.replaytv.net (ReceiveFailure)
[6/27/2011 12:43:59] HTTPClient: HTTP error connecting to
production.replaytv.net (ReceiveFailure)
[6/27/2011 12:44:02] HTTPClient: HTTP error connecting to
production.replaytv.net (ReceiveFailure)
[6/27/2011 12:44:04] HTTPClient: HTTP error connecting to
production.replaytv.net (ReceiveFailure)
[6/27/2011 12:44:06] HTTPClient: HTTP error connecting to
production.replaytv.net (ReceiveFailure)
[6/27/2011 12:44:08] HTTPClient: HTTP error connecting to
production.replaytv.net (ReceiveFailure)
[6/27/2011 12:44:11] HTTPClient: HTTP error connecting to
production.replaytv.net (ReceiveFailure)
[6/27/2011 12:44:13] HTTPClient: HTTP error connecting to
production.replaytv.net (ReceiveFailure)
[6/27/2011 12:45:34] HTTPClient: HTTP error connecting to
production.replaytv.net (ReceiveFailure)
[6/27/2011 12:45:36] HTTPClient: HTTP error connecting to
production.replaytv.net (ReceiveFailure)
[6/27/2011 12:45:42] HTTPClient: HTTP error connecting to
production.replaytv.net (ReceiveFailure)
[6/27/2011 12:45:44] HTTPClient: HTTP error connecting to
production.replaytv.net (ReceiveFailure)
WiRNS shows no RDDNS. I think that means IVS won't work. That seems to
be the only problem.
I would like to be able to get rid of the repetitive messages (like
the "service ending" one that seems to pop up every hour or so when I
use the menus).
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us
Has a Replay 5xxx
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." -- Benjamin
Franklin, Poor Richard, 1758
Apple2Steward
news:elmop-43328C....@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <gfci07pi7049r06tu...@4ax.com>,
> Mark Lloyd <mll...@5xxxmail.com5xxx.invalid> wrote:
>
>> After setting up WiRNS and getting it working with my 3 5K
>> Replays
>> (5080, 5060, 5504) including changing the time server to
>> time.nist.gov.
>
Interesting.
Why do you say that? WiRNS "normally" proxies a Replay's time
request to ntp-production.replaytv.net which is an NTP server.
You can even test ntp-production.replaytv.net with an NTP test
utility:
http://www.ntp-time-server.com/ntp-server-tool.html
and see that it delivers a non-encrypted time.
Why would fetching time from time.nist.gov and proxying it to the
Replay instead of from ntp-production.replaytv.net make any
difference?
Tony D.
Mark Lloyd
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <gfci07pi7049r06tu...@4ax.com>,
> Mark Lloyd <mll...@5xxxmail.com5xxx.invalid> wrote:
>
>> After setting up WiRNS and getting it working with my 3 5K Replays
>> (5080, 5060, 5504) including changing the time server to
>> time.nist.gov.
>
>WiRNS may see the time from there, but Replay doesn't.
It's been over 24 hours since I blocked *.replaytv.net and the clock
is still correct. How long would it take to drift too far if it
doesn't get set?
Is there some way to simulate this by setting the clock wrong, to see
if it gets reset?
It might take waiting for the semi-annual DST (Daylight Stupid Time)
change.
WiRNS has a couple of "timezone" options that don't seem to do
anything. Changing the timezone on the PC running WiRNS doesn't
either.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us
Has a Replay 5xxx
"the purpose of seperation of church and state is to keep forever from
these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in
blood for centuries." -- James Madison (1751-1836), 1803 letter
objecting to the use of government land for churches
Mark Lloyd
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <gfci07pi7049r06tu...@4ax.com>,
> Mark Lloyd <mll...@5xxxmail.com5xxx.invalid> wrote:
>
>> After setting up WiRNS and getting it working with my 3 5K Replays
>> (5080, 5060, 5504) including changing the time server to
>> time.nist.gov.
>
>WiRNS may see the time from there, but Replay doesn't.
I thought of another thing to try. Unplug a Replay for 15 seconds or
so and see what happens to the clock (this is with Replay servers
still blocked).
I chose the 5504. The clock was right when I unplugged if at 1252P.
Plugged it back in at 107P.
Another couple of minutes to reboot. Clock is still right, maybe
overnight something'll happen.
That "Registration" popup is getting annoying. Someone said it should
show no more than daily, but I just say it 2 seconds apart.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us
Has a Replay 5xxx
"Illegal Error. You are not allowed to get this error, next time you
will be punished."
Mark Lloyd
wrote:
[snip]
>Because the time update on the Replay is via an encrypted algorithm.
Is it possible that the Replay can use either normal or encrypted time
packets, with the only difference having to do with monthly activation
(which shouldn't exist anymore).
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us
Has a Replay 5xxx
"Illegal Error. You are not allowed to get this error, next time you
will be punished."
Apple2Steward
news:elmop-6585F5....@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <035k07dk7b9e59d1p...@4ax.com>,
> Mark Lloyd <mll...@5xxxmail.com5xxx.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >WiRNS may see the time from there, but Replay doesn't.
>>
>> I thought of another thing to try. Unplug a Replay for 15
>> seconds or
>> so and see what happens to the clock (this is with Replay
>> servers
>> still blocked).
>>
>> I chose the 5504. The clock was right when I unplugged if at
>> 1252P.
>>
>> Plugged it back in at 107P.
>>
>> Another couple of minutes to reboot. Clock is still right,
>> maybe
>> overnight something'll happen.
>
> what
> happens.
What "motherboard battery"?
Mark Lloyd
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
[snip]
>Pull the motherboard battery and the network cable, and tell us what
>happens.
I have completely disconnected the 5504 and removed the cover. There
is no evidence of any battery. There is a capacitor near the front
panel connections that may be relevant. Do you think is could be?
I had other things to do, so it'll be tomorrow before I get to see
what (if anything) has happened to the clock.
Once I get the clock wrong. I'll connect it back and see if WiRNS can
set it.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us
Has a Replay 5xxx
"FREELOVER? Freethinking Realist Exploring Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, and Rationality (also, pro-love, free from state
and church authorities)"
Apple2Steward
news:3lln07hv6qn94h8cl...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:01:57 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>Pull the motherboard battery and the network cable, and tell us
>>what
>>happens.
>
> I have completely disconnected the 5504 and removed the cover.
> There
> is no evidence of any battery. There is a capacitor near the
> front
> panel connections that may be relevant. Do you think is could
> be?
Of course!
Replays do not have batteries to maintain the Real Time Clock
(and AFAIK never have). The necessary charge is stored in a
capacitor located as you have described.
Discharging that capacitor should stop the RTC. There are
multiple web sites that describe methods for doing so, e.g.
http://electronicrepairguide.com/capacitor-discharge.html
Mark Lloyd
wrote:
[snip]
>
>Replays do not have batteries to maintain the Real Time Clock
>(and AFAIK never have). The necessary charge is stored in a
>capacitor located as you have described.
>
>Discharging that capacitor should stop the RTC. There are
>multiple web sites that describe methods for doing so, e.g.
>
>http://electronicrepairguide.com/capacitor-discharge.html
>
I know about capacitors. What I could use is something specific to the
Replay.
The capacitor in question is short and fat, marked .1 farad and 5.5V.
There seems to be no access to the leads to short it without removing
the board.
Also, I seem to have hard somewhere that disconnecting the front panel
causes lasting damage.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us
Has a Replay 5xxx
"If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish
thing." -- Anatole France
Mark Lloyd
[snip]
> Also, I seem to have hard somewhere that disconnecting the front panel
> causes lasting damage.
I've always had trouble NOT doing things, so I checked the (completely
disconnected) Replay and found 5V (relative to the case) on a big (SMD?)
component next to the capacitor and used one of the meter leads to
discharge it to 50mV. Now the channel guide is empty and the clock shows
600PM on 12/31/2000 (when the actual time is 1033AM). So now I got the
clock wrong, now to see if it can be made right again.
Nothing worked until I allowed access to the Replay server again.
I wonder if the clock will be stable enough, for the Replays to work
until November 6, when the government messes with most of our clocks.
The Filter (that blocks *.replaytv.net) has to be left open until after
the clock is set in the first connection to WiRNS (and I suppose has to
be open for any change of ZIP code).
BTW, Those popup "Registration" and "Activation" messages are still
annoying.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us
Has a Replay 5xxx
"It was the schoolboy who said: 'Faith is believing what you know ain't
so.'"-- Mark Twain (1835-1910)
Apple2Steward
"Mark Lloyd" <mlloy...@5060.5504.invalid> wrote in message
news:Jw3Pp.164$884...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
> [snip]
>
>> Also, I seem to have hard somewhere that disconnecting the
>> front panel
>> causes lasting damage.
>
> I've always had trouble NOT doing things, so I checked the
> (completely disconnected) Replay and found 5V (relative to the
> case) on a big (SMD?) component next to the capacitor and used
> one of the meter leads to discharge it to 50mV.
Excellent!! Thank you for going to the trouble to do this
important experiment.
Now the channel guide is empty and the clock shows
> 600PM on 12/31/2000 (when the actual time is 1033AM). So now I
> got the clock wrong, now to see if it can be made right again.
>
> Nothing worked until I allowed access to the Replay server
> again.
Could you tune to a channel and manually record?
Mark Lloyd
> "Mark Lloyd"<mlloy...@5060.5504.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Jw3Pp.164$884...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Also, I seem to have hard somewhere that disconnecting the
>>> front panel
>>> causes lasting damage.
>>
>> I've always had trouble NOT doing things, so I checked the
>> (completely disconnected) Replay and found 5V (relative to the
>> case) on a big (SMD?) component next to the capacitor and used
>> one of the meter leads to discharge it to 50mV.
>
> Excellent!! Thank you for going to the trouble to do this
> important experiment.
THANK YOU. I feel much better knowing that over avd over and over stuff
was worth something.
> Now the channel guide is empty and the clock shows
>> 600PM on 12/31/2000 (when the actual time is 1033AM). So now I
>> got the clock wrong, now to see if it can be made right again.
>>
>> Nothing worked until I allowed access to the Replay server
>> again.
>
> Could you tune to a channel and manually record?
Probably so, considering that the channel numbers were still there. I
would have to get the clock wrong again to check that. It'd be easier
this time, since I know how now.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us
Has a Replay 5xxx
"If *every*thing is a high priority, then nothing is"
Tony D
never set the time because the time setting procedure is an encrypted
algorithm. If Replay turns off the servers you're done. Anyway, the
encryption keys were discovered long ago and now with theft of service
not being a problem, the developers of lots of 3rd party software are
already testing proxies and decryption key files. After more testing,
you'll simply incorporate it into WIRNS and either load a custom guide
or subscribe to one. It's all on the AVS forum.
Tony D
> I really expect to hear from someone who has cracked the code and want
> to sell me a load, perhaps tied to a web site that does what RTV used
> to do ... for a fee.
>
> The real question is how many "lifetime" users would start paying a
> monthly or annual fee. I imagine they would let you suffer a little
> while to convince you tour "life" is over.
>
> The up side to that is a new company that only did RTV for a living
> might actually listen to the customer and give us some of the things
> we want. This software has been basically static for a decade.
>
>
There is no fee. WIRNS et al is "free".
Tony D
> offering a turn key solution for people who do not want any hassles.
>
> At a certain point, most people are just going to unplug these things
> and sit them on the curb if they have to go through all of that.
> I will just be using mine to make MPEG files from my Dish DVR the way
> it sits now. If the clock craps out I guess it is a doorstop.
Wirns is not a hack anymore than DVArchive or Microsoft Office is a hack.
The keys were released today, so anyone is free to do anything they want.
Apple2Steward
news:o1tb179766aj7f1eg...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:02:17 -0400, Tony D <nos...@nospam.com>
> was
> sold as an appliance. Plug it in, turn it on and run it.
> Wirns implies you need a PC server running all the time to
> support the
> RTV running all the time.
> You are competing with a DVR from the cable/sat company and if
> you
> really want to screw with PCs, the Microsoft and Apple
> solutions.
>
> I will continue to futz with my RTV but it will not be my
> primary DVR
> unless there is some solution that I am not screwing with all
> the
> time.
Give it a try.
Once you set it up, WiRNS requires no attention at all that I can
see.
Apple2Steward
> On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 16:49:15 -0400, "Apple2Steward"
> <no...@none.net>
> wrote:
>
[snip]
> How big a machine do you need to run it? I have a P1 100mz
> running my
> weather station. Will it run on that?
WiRNS requires Windows 98 and above. The hardware demands are
very modest, so I would say yes.
Mine runs happily on my everyday XP machine.
The only thing I found that confusingly interfered with
installation was the fact that, when you switch off a 3rd party
firewall, XP quietly turns on the built-in firewall. I also had
an Apache server that I was experimenting with that was hogging
Port 80.
It is all pretty automatic:
http://wirns.com/installation.htm#inst
Otherwise, if something doesn't work, the things to recheck are:
Is Port 80 available (does the Weather Station need port 80?)?
The Replay needs a static IP.
The Windows machine running WiRNS needs a static IP.
It is really quite doable, and once set up you have a lot of
control over the Replays from the WiRNS console. Really kind of
fun, although less appliance-like.
Jerry
Since I currently don't have my reply connected to the Internet, using
Wirns would involve perhaps more than I would care to do. I really
don't want to mess around with the keys for the time, etc.
However, does anyone have an opinion if I could use the manual record
feature as I would on a VCR. That is, could I simply set time and
channel for recurring programs. That would obviously require the clock
to be set, but it would work for me. Prior to getting RTV, I used three
vcrs to do my viewing.
Any help would be appreciated.
--
Jerry Bank
Trenton, New Jersey
Music is the language of the gods.