Why did they back off?
Jerry
threat of legal action. They did sell lifetime subscriptions and some
users might have pointed out that they were either obligated to continue
the service or pay damages, which could have been considerable, since I
suspect that there is a reasonably large subscription population.
In any case, I am glad that it will be continuing.
--
Jerry Bank
Trenton, New Jersey
Music is the language of the gods.
Tony D
> On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 06:24:16 -0400, Jerry<bank...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if the reinstatement of the program guide was because of the
>> threat of legal action. They did sell lifetime subscriptions and some
>> users might have pointed out that they were either obligated to continue
>> the service or pay damages, which could have been considerable, since I
>> suspect that there is a reasonably large subscription population.
>>
>> In any case, I am glad that it will be continuing.
>
> or 3 companies ago.
> I assume their lawyers wrote the take over contracts such that they do
> not assume that legal liability.
> They could quite easily argue that a NTSC device was at end of life
> anyway.
>
> I still bet there are people trying to figure out how many "ex
> lifetime" people would pay a 3d party to pick up this service. There
> are still a significant number of monthly people out here too.
Direct has nothing to do with the legacy units or the guide
subscription. That is all DNNA.
Apple2Steward
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-5ACE3A....@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article
> <MPG.289fdc6db...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Jerry <bank...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if the reinstatement of the program guide was because
>> of the
>> threat of legal action. They did sell lifetime subscriptions
>> and some
>> users might have pointed out that they were either obligated
>> to continue
>> the service or pay damages, which could have been
>> considerable, since I
>> suspect that there is a reasonably large subscription
>> population.
>>
>> In any case, I am glad that it will be continuing.
>
>
> They can change or discontinue the service at any time, as per
> the EULA
> to which the end user agreed.
>
> All this talk of lawsuits because of the word "lifetime" is
> silliness
> generated by ignorant people.
Silliness or not and ignorant or not, a number of people made
lawsuit noises followed by DNNA canceling the termination of the
program guide, which was the desired result.
The EULA argument can be made, but that doesn't make it a
slam-dunk. Misleading representations are the basis for a lot of
consumer-protection legal actions, and using the term "lifetime"
is certainly misleading.
Besides, the threat of legal recourse is often just as effective
as an actual lawsuit.
Or do you think the complaints and the backing-down were two
unconnected events?
Apple2Steward
> In article <j1ahb2$fsg$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Apple2Steward" <no...@none.net> wrote:
>
>> > All this talk of lawsuits because of the word "lifetime" is
>> > silliness
>> > generated by ignorant people.
>>
>> Silliness or not and ignorant or not, a number of people made
>> lawsuit noises followed by DNNA canceling the termination of
>> the
>> program guide, which was the desired result.
>
And you declare lack of causation? ;-)
> That, too, is silliness. One had nothing to do with the other.
Well, what is _your_ explanation?
Apple2Steward
<gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:qcui37dk39vghm6el...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:36:33 -0400, "Apple2Steward"
> <no...@none.net>
> set"
> option in the menu I would say I was right.
> Other than using WiRNS, I am not sure there is any other way to
> set
> the clock and than makes manual recording pretty useless.
Strictly speaking, you can use the units sans EPG manually - that
is, push the button at the beginning of a show and again when you
want to stop.
But getting beyond even that, my question is, why did DNNA
suddenly decide to get a heart and not switch off their servers?
What possible rational motivation could DNNA have had? Elmo
makes the point that the EULA said they could discontinue the
service at any time.
If so, why would they want to hold on switching off the
mothership for a small group of diehards that is now even smaller
since many got rid of their Replays when the announcement came
out, and a number of others are using WiRNS?
Jerry Slaff
> On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:58:48 -0400, "Apple2Steward"<no...@none.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:qcui37dk39vghm6el...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:36:33 -0400, "Apple2Steward"
>>> <no...@none.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
This was a very poor business decision, from the beginning to its
current point (which I agree is not the end). What have they
accomplished? They now have two competitors for the monthly crowd--the
LaHo service (which underprices them at $7/mo and includes activation)
and the Wirns/SD combitation (which underprices them at $20/year). Plus
they lost two months of monthly billings and engendered a lot of ill
will. It's good they brought the service back, but now I can't believe
their service won't go out in a year or two.
Me? I've been a monthly for some time, dutifully paying them $9.95 a
month. I switched to Wirns/SD. They better not start charging me again.
Jerry
--
=============================
Jerry Slaff
Rockville, Md.
Apple2Steward
> In article <j1c29d$k75$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Apple2Steward" <no...@none.net> wrote:
>
>> But getting beyond even that, my question is, why did DNNA
>> suddenly decide to get a heart and not switch off their
>> servers?
>>
>> What possible rational motivation could DNNA have had? Elmo
>> makes the point that the EULA said they could discontinue the
>> service at any time.
>>
>> If so, why would they want to hold on switching off the
>> mothership for a small group of diehards that is now even
>> smaller
>> since many got rid of their Replays when the announcement came
>> out, and a number of others are using WiRNS?
>
> THIS is
> the whole story and that there's no other shoe left to drop,
> you're as
> naive as a babe in the woods:
[snip]
Agreed!! :)
My thoughts were exactly the same - it's just spin on spin.