Service ending 7/31/2011???
Rastamon
ending on 7/31/2011. Are there any options? Local server?
James L. Liles
<ra...@dakine.com.invalid> wrote:
:->I just got a message that popped up on my screen. ReplayTV service is
:->ending on 7/31/2011. Are there any options? Local server?
I just got it too.
It claimed it would still work with manual recordings, but I had the
impression it basically becomes a brick when the guide goes away.
James L. Liles
<ra...@dakine.com.invalid> wrote:
:->I just got a message that popped up on my screen. ReplayTV service is
:->ending on 7/31/2011. Are there any options? Local server?
There appears to be hope...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20572669
James L. Liles
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
:->In article <4df9df07$0$19688$c3e8da3$c8b7...@news.astraweb.com>,
:-> "Rastamon" <ra...@dakine.com.invalid> wrote:
:->
:->> I just got a message that popped up on my screen. ReplayTV service is
:->> ending on 7/31/2011. Are there any options? Local server?
:->
:->see avsforums.com, the Replay section, for full details and discussion.
:->
:->It's looking grim, even for the front runner solution: WiRNS and
:->Schedules Direct, which many have been using already for years.
I switched my Replay's over to WiRNS and Schedules Direct and it seems
to be working fine.
It still has the problem of not recognizing one of the local channels
that DirecTV provides, but I can live with that.
Now I just hope that pop-up dialog will go away after a while.
James L. Liles
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
:->In article <f52mv61dcvdh8pmn5...@4ax.com>,
:-> James L. Liles <altvi...@jlilest.com> wrote:
:->
:->The elephant in the room is the clock sync issue.
:->
:->Without that, the Replays brick.
:->
:->And WiRNS doesn't do the clock sync; Replay servers do that.
:->
:->No servers, no clock sync. No clock sync, no Replay.
:->
:->The issue is up in the air because no one really knows or is willing to
:->tell what is going on. The announcement says that the guide is going
:->away, but that's not enough information to know if the Replays will live
:->after 7/31.
:->
:->We need more information.
That is definitely an excellent point.
So far, so good, but as you point out, time will tell.
--
James L. Liles
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
:->In article <f52mv61dcvdh8pmn5...@4ax.com>,
:-> James L. Liles <altvi...@jlilest.com> wrote:
:->
:->> :->see avsforums.com, the Replay section, for full details and discussion.
:->> :->
:->> :->It's looking grim, even for the front runner solution: WiRNS and
:->> :->Schedules Direct, which many have been using already for years.
:->>
:->> I switched my Replay's over to WiRNS and Schedules Direct and it seems
:->> to be working fine.
:->
:->The elephant in the room is the clock sync issue.
:->
:->Without that, the Replays brick.
:->
:->And WiRNS doesn't do the clock sync; Replay servers do that.
:->
:->No servers, no clock sync. No clock sync, no Replay.
:->
:->The issue is up in the air because no one really knows or is willing to
:->tell what is going on. The announcement says that the guide is going
:->away, but that's not enough information to know if the Replays will live
:->after 7/31.
:->
:->We need more information.
WiRNS includes an option to set the time server. That suggests it
should be possible to change that.
The log doesn't say who is serving the time ntp, but I set WiRNS to my
local time server...
-----begin log
[6/17/2011 12:08:20] [DNS] Returning 192.168.254.127 for
ntp-production.replaytv.net to 192.168.254.114
[6/17/2011 12:08:20] [NTP] Proxying request to
ntp-production.replaytv.net for 192.168.254.114
[6/17/2011 12:08:20] [NTP] Proxying request to
ntp-production.replaytv.net for 192.168.254.114
[6/17/2011 12:08:21] [NTP] Proxying request to
ntp-production.replaytv.net for 192.168.254.114
[6/17/2011 12:08:21] [NTP] Proxying request to
ntp-production.replaytv.net for 192.168.254.114
[6/17/2011 12:08:21] [NTP] Proxying request to
ntp-production.replaytv.net for 192.168.254.114
[6/17/2011 12:08:23] [PLUGIN] LoginAuthLogout Proxying Time
Verification for 192.168.254.114
-----end log
--
James L. Liles
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
:->In article <9sumv6h24lb080dlu...@4ax.com>,
:-> James L. Liles <altvi...@jlilest.com> wrote:
:->
:->> :->The elephant in the room is the clock sync issue.
:->> :->
:->> :->Without that, the Replays brick.
:->> :->
:->> :->And WiRNS doesn't do the clock sync; Replay servers do that.
:->> :->
:->> :->No servers, no clock sync. No clock sync, no Replay.
:->> :->
:->> :->The issue is up in the air because no one really knows or is willing to
:->> :->tell what is going on. The announcement says that the guide is going
:->> :->away, but that's not enough information to know if the Replays will live
:->> :->after 7/31.
:->> :->
:->> :->We need more information.
:->>
:->> WiRNS includes an option to set the time server. That suggests it
:->> should be possible to change that.
:->
:->The problem seems to be encryption; the clock set is done using
:->encryption on the 4xxx and 5xxx units, so without having the private key
:->there's no way for WiRNS to take over that task. Only the Replay
:->servers can do it.
I just tested both with just the time server computer running fast and
the WiRNS server running fast too and the time wasn't changed on the
ReplayTV.
It makes you wonder why the option is there if it never worked.
Jerry Slaff
you use WiRNS, you can get schedules to the RTV through Schedules Direct
for $20/year. See the forms on Planet Replay and AVS forums.
Jerry
On 17-Jun-11 8:15 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<9sumv6h24lb080dlu...@4ax.com>,
> James L. Liles<altvi...@jlilest.com> wrote:
>
>> :->The elephant in the room is the clock sync issue.
>> :->
>> :->Without that, the Replays brick.
>> :->
>> :->And WiRNS doesn't do the clock sync; Replay servers do that.
>> :->
>> :->No servers, no clock sync. No clock sync, no Replay.
>> :->
>> :->The issue is up in the air because no one really knows or is willing to
>> :->tell what is going on. The announcement says that the guide is going
>> :->away, but that's not enough information to know if the Replays will live
>> :->after 7/31.
>> :->
>> :->We need more information.
>>
>> WiRNS includes an option to set the time server. That suggests it
>> should be possible to change that.
>
> The problem seems to be encryption; the clock set is done using
> encryption on the 4xxx and 5xxx units, so without having the private key
> there's no way for WiRNS to take over that task. Only the Replay
> servers can do it.
--
=============================
Jerry Slaff
Rockville, Md.
Mark Lloyd
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <f52mv61dcvdh8pmn5...@4ax.com>,
> James L. Liles <altvi...@jlilest.com> wrote:
[snip]
>
>The issue is up in the air because no one really knows or is willing to
>tell what is going on. The announcement says that the guide is going
>away, but that's not enough information to know if the Replays will live
>after 7/31.
>
On the Replay site, they say that you'll still be able to record
manually. For that to work, the activation and time setting would
still have to work. For how long?
>We need more information.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us
Has a Replay 5xxx
"Faith is believing in things when common sense tells you not to." --
George Seaton
Jerry
ra...@dakine.com.invalid says...
>
> I just got a message that popped up on my screen. ReplayTV service is
> ending on 7/31/2011. Are there any options? Local server?
I received this message and would very much like to be able to continue
using RTV with some of the methods that have been mentioned. However,
when it comes to networking matters I am totally ignorant.
If I already have a wireless router, what piece of hardware do I need to
allow the RTV to receive its information from the web, rather than the
telephone? Also, since I no longer have the manual, how do I configure
the RTV to do that.
I very much like the old RTV and hope to be able to continue to use it.
Of course all of this is subject to whether the clock will be able to be
updated, since without that I believe we will be back to the doorstop.
--
Jerry Bank
Trenton, New Jersey
Music is the language of the gods.
Jerry
> ending on 7/31/2011. Are there any options? Local server?
I am very unhappy about this, having used RTV for many years. I see
that there are solutions suggested and I would like to follow up on
them, but I have no knowledge of networking.
I have a wireless router. What piece of hardware do I need to allow the
RTV to be able to connect to the computer? Since I no longer have the
RTV manual (5508), I don't know how to configure the device.
Can anyone help.?
Of course this all depends on whether the clock will continue to be
updated. Without that I guess the unit will revert to doorstop status.
Tony D
Just go to the avsforum. The solution is practically turnkey now and
someone even found the encryption key 5 or more years ago, so the clock
issue doesn't matter either.
Apple2Steward
news:elmop-0435EE....@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <qloMp.36373$1N2....@news.usenetserver.com>,
> Tony D <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> > Of course this all depends on whether the clock will
>> > continue to be
>> > updated. Without that I guess the unit will revert to
>> > doorstop status.
>>
>> Just go to the avsforum. The solution is practically turnkey
>> now and
>> someone even found the encryption key 5 or more years ago, so
>> the clock
>> issue doesn't matter either.
>
But I think it's fair to say that there is a clear roadmap to the
solution now.
See:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1342103&page=3
The executive summary as I understand it is:
1. WiRNS can already be configured (with Schedules Direct) to
handle most of what the RTV servers do
2. The private key part of the signing key has been recovered
and verified to work.
3. People have found that it is now again (unlike a few days
ago) possible to activate unactivated (i.e. new) machines,
presumably until 7/30.
4. All machines after a net connect are now being converted to
lifetime machines.
Obviously there is still a lot to do, but isn't there now some
basis for optimism?
Apple2Steward
> In article <ittn8h$6hi$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Apple2Steward" <no...@none.net> wrote:
>
>> 2. The private key part of the signing key has been recovered
>> and verified to work.
>
>
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20603769#post20603769
"I sent the signing key I recovered to Henry, and he has
confirmed in PM that it seems to work (at least once)."
> I've been on the AVSForums for years, and have been following
> this and
> all the other threads since day 1. There's still a ton of work
> to do to
> make a package you can hand to Joe Sixpack and give him his
> functionality back.
For sure! But if you can do WiRNs, and you are still set on
keeping your Replay up and running, it looks very doable.
..snip..
>> 4. All machines after a net connect are now being converted
>> to
>> lifetime machines.
>
> Correction: they are showing up as simply "Activated",
> whatever that
> ends up meaning, as opposed to the previous "Activated (fee
> paid,
> expires XXXXXX)" or "Activated (lifetime)".
Correct, but probably a distinction without a difference at this
point. "Lifetime" now = 6 weeks ;-))
..snip..
also makes sense is that Replay had no real game plan, no
> programming logic installed in the Replays, for the current
> situation--hence the problem with the signing keys.
>
> In the end, the Replay community will be constantly chasing
> down things
> that Replay didn't care about, situations they never planned
> for.
>
> It's nice to *think* that they planned a graceful exit and
> handoff to
> the owners, but you know that simply isn't the case.
Agreed. Clearly ad hoc (and more to come, no doubt).
And here is where I put in a plug for the WiRNS team.
Obviously people are not doing this for the money, but link at
the bottom of http://wirns.com/ lets one make a PayPal
contribution to the cause. This is probably a good time and
opportunity for anyone reading this to show appreciation.
I for one would have been dead in the water without WiRNS (and
Schedules Direct) two months ago, since that is when ReplayTV
stopped serving the guide in my area.
Bill
it is tempermental.
I'm betting this hidden feature will be made an option off the menu, so you
can set the clock, if you need to.
My biggest concern is what the guide will look like.
If they leave it so every 1/2 hour is a block, then recording should be
easy.
Otherwise, you have to go through the manual record opyion, and that is a
pain.
My other though, and this is the real scary thought, is that ALL cable
providers will go HD and drop their analog completely.
Time Warner started doing that till everyone screamed.
If they do that, then renting their box for 15.00 a month is the easiest
option, which I think is what they want.
That is what the message seems to point to, "contact your local provider".
DirecTV screws over people yet again. Amazing.
Bill
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rampage
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Explain please!! The Replay world is waiting. ;)
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Bill
time.
I will see if I can dig up my old notes.
My only worry is that if DirecTV is trying to makes these units into bricks,
and they see that setting the time manually is possible, then they might
change the programming in the receiver to eliminate this feature.
You have to figure that the final download on 7/31 is going to contain new
programming code to change the way the box works, or in this case, does not
work,
They will most certainly be removing all the phone numbers, possibly the
ability to set a zip code / area code, etc..
As well as changing the programming to no longer have the units dial out
each night.
They may just delete this portions of the programming, or they may download
an entirely new core program with different menus and options.
Only they know, and they are not saying.
I will try to find the instructions though.
Bill
"rampage" <ram...@getta.net> wrote in message
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Mark Lloyd
wrote:
>There is a way to manually set the time. I do it on my box sometimes when
>it is tempermental.
And no one would want to know how you do this?
>I'm betting this hidden feature will be made an option off the menu, so you
>can set the clock, if you need to.
Why would they update the software? That would be a nice thing to do.
Corporations aren't like that.
>My biggest concern is what the guide will look like.
Why would it be changed?
>If they leave it so every 1/2 hour is a block, then recording should be
>easy.
>
>Otherwise, you have to go through the manual record opyion, and that is a
>pain.
>
>My other though, and this is the real scary thought, is that ALL cable
>providers will go HD and drop their analog completely.
As long as the Replay can control that cable box, and the box has a
NTSC video output, you can still record from it. I do that a lot.
>Time Warner started doing that till everyone screamed.
>
>If they do that, then renting their box for 15.00 a month is the easiest
>option, which I think is what they want.
They probably do. It gives them more control.
>That is what the message seems to point to, "contact your local provider".
>
>DirecTV screws over people yet again. Amazing.
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>http://www.USENETHOST.com 100% Uncensored , 100% Anonymous, 5$/month Only!
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Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us
Has a Replay 5xxx
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." -- Benjamin
Franklin, Poor Richard, 1758
Apple2Steward
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> There is a way to manually set the time. I do it on my box
> sometimes when it is tempermental.
That would be correct for 2k, 3k and Showstopper machines. A
control panel was written that allows you to do this.
http://www.oocities.org/flipflop7146/#clock
However, for the 4k and 5k ReplayTVs, there is an encrypted "Time
Verification" step that can't easily be hacked.
WiRNS can act as a substitute for much of the ReplayTV server's
functionality. Looking at what WiRNS does, there are two
clock-related steps.
First, a request is proxied to a NTP time server. This can be
the Replay time server ntp-production.replaytv.net or a public
time server, e.g., time.nist.gov.
The next step (the one that is encrypted) is the "Time
Verification" that WiRNS proxies back to the ReplayTV servers.
That can't (with existing tools) be replicated. So once the
clock is set by whatever means, Time Verification makes sure that
the set time matches real time. If this step fails for a long
period of time, presumably, a monthly unit would deactivate.
This was part of the security scheme that Replay devised so that
no one could steal service by manipulating the clock on a monthly
machine.
So, to summarize, yes, on a 4k/5k machine, it is possible to "set
the clock", but you can't (currently with any ease) reproduce the
"Time Verification" step that _may_ still be required to keep a
ReplayTV alive.
Apple2Steward
"Apple2Steward" <no...@none.net> wrote in message
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I should say, "alive" in the sense of being able to schedule
timed recordings.
The assumption now is that the new "activated" status means that
the machines won't "brick" when the servers are turned off. But
what is still unclear is whether or not the unavailablity of the
Time Verification step precludes an NTP server from setting the
time.