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James Wight

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Sep 14, 2002, 7:37:47 PM9/14/02
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So what's the difference other than how gigantic LDs are? are they
more or less compressed in size than DVDs? and what about the quality?
does it have much more or much less noise in the video?

john...@comcast.net

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Sep 14, 2002, 8:12:26 PM9/14/02
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On 14 Sep 2002 16:37:47 -0700, roadog...@hotmail.com (James Wight)
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>So what's the difference other than how gigantic LDs are? are they
>more or less compressed in size than DVDs? and what about the quality?
>does it have much more or much less noise in the video?


Yes

Albert Noel

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Sep 14, 2002, 8:07:27 PM9/14/02
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i'f i'm not mistaken (being somewhat new to LD myself) the audio on a
laserdisc is not compressed..


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Sep 14, 2002, 8:46:32 PM9/14/02
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In article <2bQg9.51162$I65.2...@news20.bellglobal.com>, Albert Noel wrote:


>"James Wight" <roadog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1be365ec.02091...@posting.google.com...
>> So what's the difference other than how gigantic LDs are? are they
>> more or less compressed in size than DVDs? and what about the quality?
>> does it have much more or much less noise in the video?


>Getting a little personal there, aren't you fascist? try addressing the issues
>for once.

It depends on the type of audio.

Starting from oldest to newest:
straight analog: uncompressed and noisy as hell; never seen it in use
CX: compressed, less noisy
Digital Audio: Cd quality, uncompressed. Is a seperate set of tracks from
analog audio
AC3 dolby digital: up to 5.1 channels; compressed; similar to DVD DD
uses right analog track
DTS: up to 5.1 channels; compressed, but less so than DD; similar to DVD DTS
uses left/right digital audio tracks

Joshua Zyber

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Sep 15, 2002, 12:38:44 PM9/15/02
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"James Wight" <roadog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> So what's the difference other than how gigantic LDs are? are they
> more or less compressed in size than DVDs? and what about the quality?
> does it have much more or much less noise in the video?

This is a topic that really does not need to be hashed out in this
newsgroup for the 18 millionth time.

In short, here's the FAQ:

http://www.access-one.com/rjn/laser/laserdisc.html

Here's my site with some more Q&A:

http://www.mindspring.com/~jzyber/laserdiscforever.htm

- Josh


BILLSCHWENKE

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Sep 21, 2002, 1:40:08 PM9/21/02
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>From: "Albert Noel" albe...@sympatico.ca
>Date: 9/14/2002 7:07 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <2bQg9.51162$I65.2...@news20.bellglobal.com>

No, AFM Hi-fi in analog and RF Dolby D is not described here, it is a codec.
DTS is slightly compressed and carried in the digital track section of LD... It
can be recorded to digital tape (DAT) or MiniDisc and played back thru a
decoder... DVD can't do that with digital audio.

The regular stereo PCM is Redbook (same as CD)

Bill

Matthew L. Martin

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Sep 21, 2002, 4:00:52 PM9/21/02
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Bill, you pathetic, lying, thieving moron.

DTS is highly compressed on LD and DVD, somewhat more on DVD if the
768kbps option is used.

Yes, any DVD digital audio can be recorded, any of it.

> The regular stereo PCM is Redbook (same as CD)

Like a blind squirrel, even Bill can find a nut once in a great while.

Matthew


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Julien WILK

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Sep 22, 2002, 5:54:08 AM9/22/02
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Well, if a 1:3 or 1:4 DTS compression ratio is 'highly compressed', then our
salvation remains in the MLP format! :)

I had in mind that AC3 was about 1:8 to 1:12.

Rgds,
Julien

Jerome Marot

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Sep 22, 2002, 3:38:26 PM9/22/02
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billsc...@aol.com (BILLSCHWENKE) wrote in message news:<20020921134008...@mb-mo.aol.com>...
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> No, AFM Hi-fi in analog and RF Dolby D is not described here, it is a codec.
> DTS is slightly compressed and carried in the digital track section of LD... It
> can be recorded to digital tape (DAT) or MiniDisc and played back thru a
> decoder... DVD can't do that with digital audio.
>

DTS certainly cannot be recorded to minidisc. Whether it can be
recorded to DAT depends on the setting of the copybit and this is
valid for both LD and DVD.

Matthew L. Martin

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Sep 22, 2002, 3:21:36 PM9/22/02
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Julien WILK wrote:
> Well, if a 1:3 or 1:4 DTS compression ratio is 'highly compressed', then
> our salvation remains in the MLP format! :)

Since DTS and DD are both lossy compression schemes and MLP isn't, you
might be right, but only when bandwidth isn't an issue.

> I had in mind that AC3 was about 1:8 to 1:12.

Since the encoding schemes are very different, direct comparisons of
bitrates can't be used as an objective measure of accuracy.

BILLSCHWENKE

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Sep 23, 2002, 8:20:59 AM9/23/02
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>DTS certainly cannot be recorded to minidisc. Whether it can be
>recorded to DAT depends on the setting of the copybit and this is
>valid for both LD and DVD.

I hadn't tried it to Mini yet...will do.
Also, It was some time I recorded DTS to DAT, but it works and I don't recall
any luck with DVD. I have my players operational again so I'll try all this.
Thanks the input.
Bill (REAL one)

Jerome Marot

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Sep 25, 2002, 11:23:17 AM9/25/02
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billsc...@aol.com (BILLSCHWENKE) wrote in message news:<20020923082059...@mb-fk.aol.com>...

> >DTS certainly cannot be recorded to minidisc. Whether it can be
> >recorded to DAT depends on the setting of the copybit and this is
> >valid for both LD and DVD.
>
> I hadn't tried it to Mini yet...will do.

That will not work because the Minidisc is compressed.

> Also, It was some time I recorded DTS to DAT, but it works and I don't recall
> any luck with DVD.

I only depends on the setting of the copybit.

BILLSCHWENKE

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Sep 28, 2002, 6:16:59 AM9/28/02
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>> I hadn't tried it to Mini yet...will do.
>
>That will not work because the Minidisc is compressed.
>
>> Also, It was some time I recorded DTS to DAT, but it works and I don't
>recall
>> any luck with DVD.
>
>I only depends on the setting of the copybit.
>
>

ATRAC system?
As for DAT, I bought media drive tapes from Hewlett Packard and they appear to
work fine for digital recording. The DAT deck I have only allows long play and
standard play, at the 32kHz and 48kHz.
I don't have a factory remote or manual, so if there's other adjustments, I'm
unaware.
Also, I used optical connections for digital recording, and saved my DTS audio
CDs to the DAT medium.

Most of my MiniDisc archives are of cassette tapes that are worn. The MD allows
some nice convenience over DAT, but DAT sounds great.

Bill S.


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