CLOCKWORK ORANGE: Extended Version?
Ronald Epstein
of A CLOCKWORK ORANGE with additional violent scenes?
Is this so?
If it is, do you think most mail-order places would be able
to obtain it?
In advance, Thank You!
-= Ron =-
jgleich
>
:> Someone suggested that, possibly, there was an extended version
ADDITIONAL violent Scene??? -- aren't there enough violent scenes
in the Movie.
\\__o<
Eric Shelden
far as I or anyone seems to know it doesn't exist or good ol' Stanley is
holding on to it. It also seems that nobody can definitely tell which
scenes were removed to lose the X rating. I have heard a rumor that the
Library of Congress has both copies for viewing but you have to be
someone special to see it(i.e. teachers, etc.). If anybody knows what
I'm talking about and has this special access please view both and
finally solve this mystery.
Hellmuutt <esheld@.cc.umr.edu>
Jeremy Bond Shepherd
Shelden) wrote:
: There was some scenes cut out after its initial theatrical release but as
I've heard again and again that A CLOCKWORK ORANGE's reclassification from
X to R was achieved the samw way that MIDNIGHT COWBOY's was: times and
mores changed, the movie stayed the same. The movie was re-submitted to
the MPAA and received the easier rating.
If anyone has any evidence to the contrary I'd love to hear it.
The other RUMOR I hear often is that the fast-motion sex scene was
normal-motion in the X rated version, and speeding it up was what allowed
the film to receive an R. However, I've heard that this rumor is false
many times too.
I'd put my money on the "times changed, the movie stayed the same" explanation.
-Jeremy
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Paul Tuthill
released was not the violence, but the sex..particularly the group sex
scene between Alex and the two teenage girls he picks up in the record
store..I believe this scene was deleted so the movie would not recieve an
X-rating, but was later restored and is included in the laserdisc version
that Warner put out a few years ago.. This movie is very true to the book,
and I do not recall any violent scenes that were in the book that were not
in the movie...
Enjoy,
Tut
Lmlyp
>of A CLOCKWORK ORANGE with additional violent scenes?
>
> Is this so?
>
> If it is, do you think most mail-order places would be able
>to obtain it?
as far as i know, the only way to get the extended version of a clockwork
orange is to order from somewhere that specializes in hard-to-find titles
(most often found in the back ad pages of magazines). i don't know what
kind of quality the recordings are from these places, but they might have
this on tape.
dave.
Filmlad2
as
far as I or anyone seems to know it doesn't exist or good ol' Stanley is
holding on to it. It also seems that nobody can definitely tell which
scenes were removed to lose the X rating. I have heard a rumor that the
Library of Congress has both copies for viewing but you have to be
someone special to see it(i.e. teachers, etc.). If anybody knows what
I'm talking about and has this special access please view both and
finally solve this mystery.>>>
there were a few frames cut from the stop motion sex scene after it was
initially given the x rating. However, when the film was nominated for
numerous academy awards, it was given an r rating in its original form
(like Midnight Cowboy was after it won best picture) Its funny though, I
don't think that there would be any chance of it being rated R today...
Lyle Petersen
> I've heard again and again that A CLOCKWORK ORANGE's reclassification from
> X to R was achieved the samw way that MIDNIGHT COWBOY's was: times and
> mores changed, the movie stayed the same. The movie was re-submitted to
> the MPAA and received the easier rating.
>
> If anyone has any evidence to the contrary I'd love to hear it.
>
> The other RUMOR I hear often is that the fast-motion sex scene was
> normal-motion in the X rated version, and speeding it up was what allowed
> the film to receive an R. However, I've heard that this rumor is false
> many times too.
>
> I'd put my money on the "times changed, the movie stayed the same"
explanation.
You'd be right, times have changed. And incidentally, the William Tell
Overture sex scene was always high speed, and it was the scene which got
the films it's original X-rating. Since the scene is tame by today's
standards (or at least the standards of 1980 when the R-rating was given)
the film got the change. Also, I wouldn't be suprised if the film got an
NC-17 if submitted now in 1996, not because of the sex, but because of the
overt violence towards women (not to mention the growing political trend
towards Buchannan style conservitavism).
Lyle Petersen
Editor 910
towards...conservitavism..."
I will resist the temptation to respond in kind because this is not the
place for a politicial discussion on c-o-n-s-e-r-v-a-t-i-s-m.
Geoffrey Alexander
>
> In article <4ga9mc$c...@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu>, esh...@saucer.cc.umr.edu (Eric
> Shelden) wrote:
>
> : There was some scenes cut out after its initial theatrical release but as
> : far as I or anyone seems to know it doesn't exist or good ol' Stanley is
> : holding on to it. It also seems that nobody can definitely tell which
> : scenes were removed to lose the X rating. I have heard a rumor that the
> : Library of Congress has both copies for viewing but you have to be
> : someone special to see it(i.e. teachers, etc.). If anybody knows what
> : I'm talking about and has this special access please view both and
> : finally solve this mystery.
You only have to have legitimate research needs. Get a letter from your thesis
committee. It's this way not because of the putatively 'secret' nature of the
materials, but the fact that the LOC doesn't want to become a nickelodeon.
>
> I've heard again and again that A CLOCKWORK ORANGE's reclassification from
> X to R was achieved the samw way that MIDNIGHT COWBOY's was: times and
> mores changed, the movie stayed the same. The movie was re-submitted to
> the MPAA and received the easier rating.
After trimming.
>
> If anyone has any evidence to the contrary I'd love to hear it.
Michael Gaughn, who has been absent here of late (lurking, Michael) has
seen both at the LOC and reported in detail on this last year. Details
are as per the info I posted last week -- NO SCENES WERE CUT nor dialog wither but
some trims were made from a few shots -- a few frames only., and a couple of brief
substitutions -- refer to that earlier post.
>
> The other RUMOR I hear often is that the fast-motion sex scene was
> normal-motion in the X rated version, and speeding it up was what allowed
> the film to receive an R. However, I've heard that this rumor is false
> many times too.
Yes, it's false.
>
> I'd put my money on the "times changed, the movie stayed the same" explanation.
Send us a check? :)
geoffrey alexander : http://www.netins.net/showcase/sahaja
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Mike Berger
910) wrote:
> "...growing political trend
> towards...conservitavism..."
>
> I will resist the temptation to respond in kind
*----
It looks like you yielded to temptation after all.
D. E. Bath
>I've heard again and again that A CLOCKWORK ORANGE's reclassification from
>X to R was achieved the samw way that MIDNIGHT COWBOY's was: times and
>mores changed, the movie stayed the same. The movie was re-submitted to
>the MPAA and received the easier rating.
>
>If anyone has any evidence to the contrary I'd love to hear it.
>
>The other RUMOR I hear often is that the fast-motion sex scene was
>normal-motion in the X rated version, and speeding it up was what allowed
>the film to receive an R. However, I've heard that this rumor is false
>many times too.
>
>I'd put my money on the "times changed, the movie stayed the same" explanation.
I'd put my money on it too, since the LD of it that I have is exactly what
I saw at the theatre in its X rated form. Or at least as much as I can
remember.
But the fast group sex was definitely in it!
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ljpe...@netcom.com says...
>
>You'd be right, times have changed. And incidentally, the William Tell
>Overture sex scene was always high speed, and it was the scene which got
>the films it's original X-rating. Since the scene is tame by today's
>standards (or at least the standards of 1980 when the R-rating was given)
>the film got the change. Also, I wouldn't be suprised if the film got an
>NC-17 if submitted now in 1996, not because of the sex, but because of the
>overt violence towards women (not to mention the growing political trend
>towards Buchannan style conservitavism).
>
>Lyle Petersen
A Clockwork Orange received it's 'R' ratinng shortly after it's first run
release - I know, I saw it in late '71 with an'R' rating. From my
understanding, the scenes that were 'clipped' amounted to a few seconds from
several spots and a brief, full frontal male nude scene (though this I have
never been able to confirm).
Kubrick has never released a 'directors' cut of a film yet, and probably won't
while he is alive.
John
Eric Shelden
thinks they may know what was or wasn't cut but no hard proof. Christ it
has to be out there somewhere.
Hellmutt <esheld@.cc.umr.edu>
RobertP448
MPPA at the end, due to full-frontal nudity
rob
Geoffrey Alexander
>ro
Yes, there's a report Little Malcolm made an appearance. So I doubt we're
missing much...(much we WANT to see, anyway... :)
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Bill Vermillion
Eric Shelden <esh...@saucer.cc.umr.edu> wrote:
>There was some scenes cut out after its initial theatrical release but as
>far as I or anyone seems to know it doesn't exist or good ol' Stanley is
>holding on to it. It also seems that nobody can definitely tell which
>scenes were removed to lose the X rating. I have heard a rumor that the
>Library of Congress has both copies for viewing but you have to be
>someone special to see it(i.e. teachers, etc.). If anybody knows what
>I'm talking about and has this special access please view both and
>finally solve this mystery.
I saw the original when it had an X rating. When it later had
the R rating I didn't recall anything different - but several
years had elapsed.
At that time, as I recall, the significant cut was the rape
scene on stage near the beginning of the movie. These
weren't severe cuts.
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> A far as I know, Kubrick had to surrender about 1 minute of footage to the
> MPPA at the end, due to full-frontal nudity
>
But there are a few moments of full frontal nudity on the LD release. Were
they restored?
Mike