My evaluation of the LD-S9
Kurtis Bahr
able to compair to to my CLD-97 and my CLD-D99 (Foriegn packaged CLD-99)
to the LD-S9.
After opening the player I was disappointed. It uses the same boards
for Control, Audio and Composite Video as the CLD-99 which is taken from
the CLD-D703. The Power supply only differs due to voltage differences
from the CLD-99. The LD only clamp is the entire CLD-99 mechanism with
a bigger rubber pad piece attached to the top of the same spindle motor
used in the CLD-99. The spindle motor was actually the same as the
CLD-D503/703/704/CLD-79/99. The larger surface would atleast help end
the slipping disc problem. The only difference in the circuit boards
was for the different options with the newer 3D Adaptive Filter and the
LD+G functions. The 3D Adaptive Filter board piggybacked on the Video
board was definitely the next generation board, this was different.
At this point I was disappointed with the S9, my fears were that it
would be a repackaged CLD-99 with a larger LD clamp and it basically is.
So I powered it up to check the adjustments.
Here is the Good part. The composite output is basically the same as
the CLD-99/703/704/79 but this is the first S-Video Output I've liked.
The CLD-99 3D Adaptive filter definitely helps eliminate the NTSC
artifacts and the 97 also does it but to a lesser degree. Teh S9 is a
definite improvement over the CLD-99. The picture was sharper using the
S-Video output than the composite so this 3D Adaptive board finally
performs some processing to improve edge enhancement without hurting the
viewed picture. My Pioneer rear projection from the late 1980's
performs the process on it's composite input only so I've always used
the composite output from my players as it has more detail. Pioneer
finally put this same processing inside a players filter.
I still prefer my smoother background with my CLD-97 as the NTSC
artifacts don't bother me that much. But this LD-S9 finally pretty much
equal what my rear projection does so I could use it's S-Video output
and be happy if the digitized look didn't bother me.
I still recommend the CLD-97 but using the S-Video output I do now put
this S9 above the other models. The S9 is basically equal to the others
using the composite output.
If you want the 3D Adaptive filter you need to check this out. If not
save your money and buy the CLD-97 or the 703/704/79/99 series.
Now I'm very anxious to see the X9 or X0 as they look like a complete
special design verses another 703 copy with enhancements.
Kurtis
Matthew L. Martin
First off, my thanks to both you and Joshua! I've been waiting for a few years
for this kind of comparison to be done.
Kurtis Bahr <kb...@erols.com> wrote:
>I still recommend the CLD-97 but using the S-Video output I do now put
>this S9 above the other models. The S9 is basically equal to the others
>using the composite output.
>
>If you want the 3D Adaptive filter you need to check this out.
Fortunately, I don't. I have an excellent one in my RPTV and any future display
I get will likely have an even better one.
> If not
>save your money and buy the CLD-97 or the 703/704/79/99 series.
This makes me all the happier that I have two 704s.
>Now I'm very anxious to see the X9 or X0 as they look like a complete
>special design verses another 703 copy with enhancements.
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Jeremy Bond Shepherd
"Matthew L. Martin" <mlma...@me.com> wrote in message
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>
> First off, my thanks to both you and Joshua! I've been waiting for a few
years
> for this kind of comparison to be done
Me too. Now I'm all for video performance, but I'm also interested in side
change speed and film mode (no still picture during side changes).
I love my Mcintosh 7020 (CLD-79 clone) but hate its side changes.
If I should ever replace it, what would have equal or better video
performance, with better side changes?
-J
Todd Spangler
Actually, the 7020 is a CLD-97 clone. The 703/704/79/99 would all
have faster side changes, and IMO, better video performance as well.
Todd
Jeremy Bond Shepherd
"Todd Spangler" <asi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Argh.... typo. What kind of sadist at Pioneer made both a CLD-79 and a
CLD-97?
I actually do have a CLD-79 (seventy-nine) and it definitely does NOT have a
better picture than the 7020. Yes I've even A-B'ed them. As long as you turn
off the DNR on the 7020 it blows the 79 out of the water. My observation,
YMMV.
-Jeremy
Todd Spangler
> >
> > Actually, the 7020 is a CLD-97 clone. The 703/704/79/99 would all
> > have faster side changes, and IMO, better video performance as well.
>
> Argh.... typo. What kind of sadist at Pioneer made both a CLD-79 and a
> CLD-97?
>
> I actually do have a CLD-79 (seventy-nine) and it definitely does NOT have a
> better picture than the 7020. Yes I've even A-B'ed them. As long as you turn
> off the DNR on the 7020 it blows the 79 out of the water. My observation,
> YMMV.
>
> -Jeremy
Others here feel the same way, and I appear to be in the minority on
this point. My CLD-97 is marooned in my secondary system right now,
and I cannot currently do a proper A-B comparison between it and my
79.
As I mentioned in another thread, I did A-B the CLD-79 against my
LD-S2, and my observation was that the 79
easily outperformed it, this again being a point that not everyone
will agree with. My feeling is that different performance parameters
are important to different people, and what one person is oblivious to
will annoy the hell out of someone else.
Todd
Joshua Zyber
> Me too. Now I'm all for video performance, but I'm also interested in side
> change speed and film mode (no still picture during side changes).
The LD-S9 does have a "Theater Mode" button, same function but different
name. It has a fast side change (Gamma turn mechanism, I believe) and will
display plain black during the changeover.
[typo corrected]
> I love my Mcintosh 7020 (CLD-97 clone) but hate its side changes.
>
> If I should ever replace it, what would have equal or better video
> performance, with better side changes?
As Kurtis stated, the LD-S9 is essentially a CLD-99 with a more advanced 3D
comb filter. I will not go into the whole CLD-97 vs CLD-99 debate. If you
are partial to the 97 over the 99, this may not be the machine for you.
The MacIntosh 7020 cannot display black during the change, as I recall. If
that concerns you, you might be better off with an original CLD-97. The side
change is still pretty slow, but it will display the black. I have no idea
why MacIntosh disabled that function.
As an addendum: The HLD-X9 also has a slow side change without the ability
to display the black.
- Josh
Kurtis Bahr
can be adapted to a black screen. I'll post if it can be done.
The unit I really want to see is the X9. If it has the low noise of the CLD-97
and the new 3D Adaptive filter it could be a killer machine.
Kurtis
Chaim Caron
Could you review what was written earlier in this thread about the LD-S2,
in particular where it stands in quality among the CLD79, CLD97, CLD99?
Thanks, Chaim
Kurtis Bahr
background noise equal to or a little better than the 97 but the picture would
not be quite as sharp. Then I feel the 97 is just as sharp as the 79 and 99
but the background noise is higher with the 79 and 99 unless you use the DVNR.
It all becomes what you prefer but I cannot proper rank a LD-S2 until I see
one.
Kurtis
BILLSCHWENKE
was followed by the LD S9 in the Pioneer line up. It is a slight improvement
over the CLD 99 in terms of circuit imporvements, and does not play CDs, so it
has a dedicated clamp (better mechanicals).
Bill
Kurtis Bahr
player.
I have worked on an LD-S9 and also have an import CLD-D99 which I would like to
sell. The LD-S9 has the same
spindle motor in it as the 503/703/704/79/99/D99 with only a larger clamping
surface pressed on the top. Disappointed
it is not a heavier motor also.
Kurtis
George Lambert
> news:3c5a...@corp-goliath.newsgroups.com...
> >
> > First off, my thanks to both you and Joshua! I've been waiting for a few
> years
> > for this kind of comparison to be done
>
> Me too. Now I'm all for video performance, but I'm also interested in side
> change speed and film mode (no still picture during side changes).
>
> I love my Mcintosh 7020 (CLD-79 clone) but hate its side changes.
Slight correction: the 7020 is a 97 clone with AC-3 output.
George Lambert
Jeremy Bond Shepherd
>
> George Lambert
Wow, he still lives!
How's things in your lovely Home Theatre By The Sea? :-)
-Jeremy
George Lambert
> > Slight correction: the 7020 is a 97 clone with AC-3 output.
> >
> > George Lambert
>
> Wow, he still lives!
Hard to believe some mornings, yet true. :-)
>
> How's things in your lovely Home Theatre By The Sea? :-)
I've done a bit of upgrading since you were last here: The 7020 still
sits right in the middle of the AV rack, but I'm now using an Elite
VSX-39TX receiver, M&K THX approved speakers, and a Kenwood Sovereign
DV5700 DVD, which is a fantastic DVD and DVD-A player.
Hope all is well with you, too! If you're in the neighborhood, feel
free to stop by.
Best wishes to you and all of a.v.ld
George Lambert