Opinions- Setup w/ CLD-D702
Kurtis Bahr
install it in and sell the 702. The 703 will provide a little better picture if
you are trying to get the best. The 704 will give you AC-3 stock but these can
go up in the $600 range. If you don't want to jump to the 703 or 704 then
upgrade the 702 and enjoy it.
The 702 is a decent LD player, better than the CLD-D60X series and below, but
Pioneer started a redesign with the 703 for the high end player. The addition
of the Variable Digital Video Noise Reduction is loved by many. Personally I
turn it "OFF".
Kurtis
Digital Dave wrote:
> I'd like some constructive feedback on my current situation. I just retired
> my CLD-S201 for a CLD-D702 that I got on eBay. I didn't do all of my
> homework, though and was caught by surprise that I couldn't playback the
> Dolby Digital soundtracks on my LDs without a RF output. I was assuming I
> could go coax to my receiver in the same way I do with my DVD. So I went
> about finding a RF demodulator at an OK price and am now looking into adding
> the RF out to my D702 with Precision's upgrade.
>
> I guess my basic question is this: is it worth upgrading the 702 or should I
> look to sell it and get a better player that has the RF output? I'd really
> appreciate some feedback!
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
> dave_...@hotmail.com
Digital Dave
geena phillips
Get rid of the 702 and move on.
Geena P.
Decatur, GA
Melancholy is a stupid long description
can't spell it anyway
just like the word refrigerator
---from "Well If It Don't Happen" by Lay Quiet Awhile
Iain
laserdisc players.
Regards
"Digital Dave" <da...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Holden
Sorry, I have no advice to offer. I'm looking for some wisdom from
you. What do you actually get audio-wise out of the -702 when you
play an AC-3 encoded disk? I already have DVD, and I'm not really
interested (at least right now) in purchasing a -704 AND a
demodulat'em AND starting an LD collection. There are some older
fiIms, and some I'd like to get in widescreen, that are not available
on DVD. I was thinking of a -702 as I have a receiver with an unused
optical input. Would I at least get Pro-Logic audio from an AC-3
disk? Also, if I hook up the -702 optically to my DTS capable
receiver, can I listen to DTS encoded disks? Thanks.
Always,
Holden McGroyn
On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:21:01 +0100, " Iain" <lase...@clara.co.uk>
wrote:
John C.
You will get the digital stereo (Dolby Surround, if so encoded) tracks
from the digital output. And yes you will get the DTS signal from the
digital out, since it replaces the digital stereo tracks.
John
Joshua Zyber
news:39048940...@news.ndak.net...
> It seems the thang to find is a Pioneer CLD-704. They're going for
> about $500 on eBay. The RF-demodyahoochie adds another $200+.
> Sooooo, I was thinking of a DVL-919 for $694.99 off the web. It's the
> latest technology, and I'd have a spare DVD player to put downstairs.
> But the -919 needs a frickin' demodulator, too! I can't win.
>
> What is the minimum I should settle for in an LD player with an
> optical out. Model number, please. Thanks.
The Mitsubish M-V7057 is their clone of the CLD-D704. It has an RF-output
and optical output, and has been going on eBay for around $300 recently.
You'd still need an RF-demodulator, but it would knock a couple hundred
bucks off the cost of the player for you.
- Josh
---------------------
Joshua Zyber
Curator, Laserdisc Forever Review Archive
www.mindspring.com/~jzyber/laserdiscforever.htm
Kurtis Bahr
was the first dual sided top of the line player, actually has fewer quirks
than the others up to the CLD-D703. All of these will have a better picture
than the DVD/LD combi units, I have a 909 and the LD picture looks like a
CLD-D504, not to quality I expect after seeing many top Pioneer units.
It I were you I would watch for a CLD-D703 and you will get a better LD
picture with many more features like separately adjustable Y and C Digital
-Video Noise Reduction. It's not much more than the 702 since it doesn't have
AC-3 stock.
Kurtis
Holden, McG...@Handful.net wrote:
> Josh,
>
> I've been through this already. It's easy to say get a -704 or an
> Elite whatever. What I want to know is which player should I buy if
> all I'm interested in is getting optical output and S-video? A -2080?
> I don't think it has S-video. A 3090, 701? I'm talking minimum. The
> Laserdisk Archive has some great info, but pictures of just the front
> of a player are almost worthless.
>
> If a demodustan could be found for what they were originally priced,
> I'd bet LD could make a surge. Maybe not a comeback, but it's obvious
> people are still interested. I remember seeing a new Yamaha
> RF-demodulator in a catalog for about $115 a year or so ago. Can't
> find them new anymore and now they're twice that used. You could pay
> more for the demoduthang than a CLD-D504 player. I'm not looking to
> spend that much. Probably ever. I have DVD. If I buy Jurassic Park
> in DTS, I'll have quenched that thirst. Mostly I plan on older
> flicks. I've purchased "The Man From Snowy River", "Return to Snowy
> River", "Earth vs. The Flying Saucers", and "A Night at the Opera" so
> far. None AC-3 as far as I know. I've got a bid on "Rocketeer" in
> Dolby Digital, but it doesn't say AC-3. I also want a copy of "George
> of the Jungle" in widefrickinscreen. Only find it that way on LD.
>
> Tell you the truth, I'd like to drop just a hundred or so on my first
> player, to see how things work out first. Thanks. Comments, anyone
> and everyone?
>
> Always,
> Holden McGroyn
Joshua Zyber
> I've been through this already. It's easy to say get a -704 or an
> Elite whatever. What I want to know is which player should I buy if
> all I'm interested in is getting optical output and S-video? A -2080?
> I don't think it has S-video. A 3090, 701? I'm talking minimum. The
> Laserdisk Archive has some great info, but pictures of just the front
> of a player are almost worthless.
>
> If a demodustan could be found for what they were originally priced,
> I'd bet LD could make a surge. Maybe not a comeback, but it's obvious
> people are still interested. I remember seeing a new Yamaha
> RF-demodulator in a catalog for about $115 a year or so ago. Can't
> find them new anymore and now they're twice that used. You could pay
> more for the demoduthang than a CLD-D504 player. I'm not looking to
> spend that much. Probably ever. I have DVD. If I buy Jurassic Park
> in DTS, I'll have quenched that thirst. Mostly I plan on older
> flicks. I've purchased "The Man From Snowy River", "Return to Snowy
> River", "Earth vs. The Flying Saucers", and "A Night at the Opera" so
> far. None AC-3 as far as I know. I've got a bid on "Rocketeer" in
> Dolby Digital, but it doesn't say AC-3. I also want a copy of "George
> of the Jungle" in widefrickinscreen. Only find it that way on LD.
>
> Tell you the truth, I'd like to drop just a hundred or so on my first
> player, to see how things work out first. Thanks. Comments, anyone
> and everyone?
That's a different situation, I guess. I still say it's best to spend a bit
more money right off the bat and be satisfied in the long run than it is to
get something 'acceptable' for now and then have to upgrade later. I know,
because I've been down that route myself.
The Mitsu M-V7057 gives you all the quality, performance and features of the
(much more expensive) high-end D704 for around $300. Even if you can do
without AC-3 for now (as I do), you may want it sometime in the future and
it will be much easier to just have to buy the demodulator at that time than
it will be to buy both a demodulator AND a whole new player.
That said, if you really don't want to spend that much money (who can blame
you?), I'd advise the FEATURES you should look for in addition to the
optical-out and S-Video that you already mentioned, are dual-side play and
digital memory for CLV still-fields. For a long time I convinced myself that
those really weren't so important, but when I finally got them it made a
world of difference.
As for particular models which meet these needs, I'll leave that up to
others who know more about specific players. My experience is limited to
just a few models.
Good luck,
- Josh
Holden
wrote:
>Holden, McG...@Handful.net wrote:
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Sorry, I have no advice to offer. I'm looking for some wisdom from
>> you. What do you actually get audio-wise out of the -702 when you
>> play an AC-3 encoded disk? I already have DVD, and I'm not really
>> interested (at least right now) in purchasing a -704 AND a
>> demodulat'em AND starting an LD collection. There are some older
>> fiIms, and some I'd like to get in widescreen, that are not available
>> on DVD. I was thinking of a -702 as I have a receiver with an unused
>> optical input. Would I at least get Pro-Logic audio from an AC-3
>> disk? Also, if I hook up the -702 optically to my DTS capable
>> receiver, can I listen to DTS encoded disks? Thanks.
>>
>> Always,
>> Holden McGroyn
>>
SNIP
>
>You will get the digital stereo (Dolby Surround, if so encoded) tracks
>from the digital output. And yes you will get the DTS signal from the
>digital out, since it replaces the digital stereo tracks.
>John
John,
Thanks. I'm searching for an LD player. I've already bought a few
disks. I wanted The Man From Snowy River in widescreen and Laserdisk
is the only way to get it.
It seems the thang to find is a Pioneer CLD-704. They're going for
about $500 on eBay. The RF-demodyahoochie adds another $200+.
Sooooo, I was thinking of a DVL-919 for $694.99 off the web. It's the
latest technology, and I'd have a spare DVD player to put downstairs.
But the -919 needs a frickin' demodulator, too! I can't win.
What is the minimum I should settle for in an LD player with an
optical out. Model number, please. Thanks.
Still, Holden
Holden
<jzy...@mindspring.com> wrote:
><Holden McG...@Handful.net> wrote in message
>news:39048940...@news.ndak.net...
>> It seems the thang to find is a Pioneer CLD-704. They're going for
>> about $500 on eBay. The RF-demodyahoochie adds another $200+.
>> Sooooo, I was thinking of a DVL-919 for $694.99 off the web. It's the
>> latest technology, and I'd have a spare DVD player to put downstairs.
>> But the -919 needs a frickin' demodulator, too! I can't win.
>>
>> What is the minimum I should settle for in an LD player with an
>> optical out. Model number, please. Thanks.
>
>The Mitsubish M-V7057 is their clone of the CLD-D704. It has an RF-output
>and optical output, and has been going on eBay for around $300 recently.
>You'd still need an RF-demodulator, but it would knock a couple hundred
>bucks off the cost of the player for you.
>
>- Josh
>
>---------------------
>Joshua Zyber
>Curator, Laserdisc Forever Review Archive
>www.mindspring.com/~jzyber/laserdiscforever.htm
>
Josh,
I've been through this already. It's easy to say get a -704 or an
Elite whatever. What I want to know is which player should I buy if
all I'm interested in is getting optical output and S-video? A -2080?
I don't think it has S-video. A 3090, 701? I'm talking minimum. The
Laserdisk Archive has some great info, but pictures of just the front
of a player are almost worthless.
If a demodustan could be found for what they were originally priced,
I'd bet LD could make a surge. Maybe not a comeback, but it's obvious
people are still interested. I remember seeing a new Yamaha
RF-demodulator in a catalog for about $115 a year or so ago. Can't
find them new anymore and now they're twice that used. You could pay
more for the demoduthang than a CLD-D504 player. I'm not looking to
spend that much. Probably ever. I have DVD. If I buy Jurassic Park
in DTS, I'll have quenched that thirst. Mostly I plan on older
flicks. I've purchased "The Man From Snowy River", "Return to Snowy
River", "Earth vs. The Flying Saucers", and "A Night at the Opera" so
far. None AC-3 as far as I know. I've got a bid on "Rocketeer" in
Dolby Digital, but it doesn't say AC-3. I also want a copy of "George
of the Jungle" in widefrickinscreen. Only find it that way on LD.
Tell you the truth, I'd like to drop just a hundred or so on my first
player, to see how things work out first. Thanks. Comments, anyone
and everyone?
Always,
Holden McGroyn
Digital Dave
they are going for on eBay. I did find that my favorite local hi-fi store
was able to order me a NEW Kenwood for $170. It's supposed to come in a
couple of weeks.
Dave
> It seems the thang to find is a Pioneer CLD-704. They're going for
> about $500 on eBay. The RF-demodyahoochie adds another $200+.
> Sooooo, I was thinking of a DVL-919 for $694.99 off the web. It's the
> latest technology, and I'd have a spare DVD player to put downstairs.
> But the -919 needs a frickin' demodulator, too! I can't win.
>
> What is the minimum I should settle for in an LD player with an
> optical out. Model number, please. Thanks.
>
> Still, Holden
geena phillips
They are NOT. The 702, especially, is junk.
Jeff D. Robertson
> >The 701/702 are fine players.
>
> They are NOT. The 702, especially, is junk.
>
> Geena P.
> Decatur, GA
>
Have you ever backed any of these claims against the D702 with actual
proof?
Lasermeister
would invest a lot of money in them, either. I bought a 701 in 1992 to
replace my old Sony MDP-510. The 701 was a far superior player in
almost every respect, and the 702 always looked like basically the same
player to me, with the addition of a coaxial digital output.
On the other hand, the 701 has some problems (the 702 likely has these
same problems). I've done some comparisons to the Pioneer CLD-97 and
CLD-79, both of which I purchased subsequently to the 701, and the 701
stacked up poorly enough against both to have spent the last few years
in my closet as a spare. The 701 has noticeably noisier reds, and the
reds are also tinted unnaturally blue--the Eliminator car on the ZZ Top
videos almost takes on a candy apple look rather than the orangish-red
it's supposed to be. The picture on the 701 is clearly less sharp and
somewhat noisier than either the CLD-97 or CLD-79. For those who care
about such things, the analog stereo outputs (while listening to the
analog soundtrack) on the 701 are also inferior to the other two
players, being brighter, harsher, less detailed, and less musical.
I would like to add that just because one has had an unfortunate
experience with a machine does not automatically condemn it as "junk."
As I have mentioned on this NG before, my own CLD-97, which I bought
new in 1993, has an unfortunate habit of occasionally crashing when I
hit play. From everything I've heard, though, it appears that the
CLD-97 is actually a quite excellent player mechanically; in fact, I
may have the only bad one in the whole universe. Well, that's an
exaggeration, but with any type of mass produced gear, defects can and
will occur. The crummy brands/models just have a higher incidence of
them.
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<anal...@jps.net> wrote:
I'll give you proof. The head-turning mechanism on my 701 AND my 702
died. THe 701 died within warranty, but couldn't be fixed so I got a 702
for free. The 702 took a few years to die and I couldn't do a damn thing
about it so I had to get a D704. Oh, the D704's turning mechanism died
too.
Yes, they're junk.
Mike
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Kurtis Bahr
or the Elites CLD-79/99. You can use the Digital Video Noise Reduction to mask
this if you like the digitized look it produces, it makes it look more like a DVD.
If you had the money you could get the Elite CLD-97. The 97 has the sharper
picture but the noise levels are lower in the machine and you get a clean
background. You have to see both to really appreciate the 97. The problem is not
that the 703/704/79/99 had to be noisier, it is more of a financial decision,
cheaper to add the D-VNR and not put all the expense into keep the signal path
clean as possible. Now you will get a purer picture with the 703/704/79/99 but
Video Essentials should have put in a disclaimer that the CLD-97 or McIntosh 7020
(which is a CLD-97 modified) do not follow this trend of adding noise. In fact, I
can actually take my older single sided Philips CDV-488 and turn the digital video
processing ON and the picture is sharp just like the 703/704/79/99 but the noise is
lower like the 97. Wish the 488 was dual sided. I can switch OFF the digital
Video processing on the 488 and also get a pure analog picture but it then is
softer like the CLD-D604. Pioneer has added Digital Video processing to
practically all of their LD players since the late 80's.
Kurtis
Digital Dave wrote:
> Well first of all, thanks to everybody who has expressed an opinion. I
> guess I've got a follow-up question.
>
> I have the 702 already. Am I really going to get better PERFORMANCE from a
> 703 or 704? I understand the 703 has the video noise filter, but it sounds
> to me like it's just increasing sharpness which is really just ADDING noise
> if I understood Video Essentials. So do I really want to hassle with
> finding a 703 or 704 (or Mitsubishi equivalent) OR do I stick with the 702
> and add the AC-3 OR do I look into an Elite (or something else?)?
>
> Please help me out if I'm missing something! BTW, I'm really not looking to
> invest a lot more than $300 in the player itself at this point. I've
> already resigned myself to about $170 for the demodulator and $75 for the
> Precision upgrade.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> > From: mj...@netdoor.com.invalid (Mike Stewart)
> > Organization: his office above the garage
> > Reply-To: mj...@netdoor.com.invalid
> > Newsgroups: alt.video.laserdisc
> > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:54:17 -0500
> > Subject: Re: Opinions- Setup w/ CLD-D702
> >
> > Kurtis Bahr <kb...@erols.com> wrote in <3903B712...@erols.com>:
> >
> >> The 701/702 are fine players. A good condition good working CLD-3070, which
> >> was the first dual sided top of the line player, actually has fewer quirks
> >> than the others up to the CLD-D703. All of these will have a better picture
> >> than the DVD/LD combi units, I have a 909 and the LD picture looks like a
> >> CLD-D504, not to quality I expect after seeing many top Pioneer units.
> >
> > My old CLD-3070 is still going strong, but I've recently relegated it
> > to second string after locally purchasing a CLD-D606 to get AC-3. I
> > found the 606 to have a marginally sharper picture, as well, though
> > both players look a bit softer than my Canon Optura DV camcorder.
> >
> > Mike
> > (remove the X and my email address is no longer .invalid)
Digital Dave
geena phillips
>geena phillips wrote:
>
>> >The 701/702 are fine players.
>>
>> They are NOT. The 702, especially, is junk.
>Have you ever backed any of these claims against the D702 with actual
>proof?
I worked at an electronic repair facility for three and a half years. The
702, by a substantial margin, displayed more service problems than any other
new model during that time, with the possible exception of Pioneer's
ill-conceived combo LD/CD changers (and those always had the same sort of
mechanical problems). The 702 is widely known throughout service circles as a
dog.
geena phillips
>Date: 4/24/00 8:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <B52A5CB9.88EA%da...@nospam.com>
>
>Well first of all, thanks to everybody who has expressed an opinion. I
>guess I've got a follow-up question.
>
>I have the 702 already. Am I really going to get better PERFORMANCE from a
>703 or 704?
Yes. After the disaster of the 702, Pioneer did a redesign for the 703.
Thad Floryan
| [...]
| I'll give you proof. The head-turning mechanism on my 701 AND my 702
| died. THe 701 died within warranty, but couldn't be fixed so I got a 702
| for free. The 702 took a few years to die and I couldn't do a damn thing
| about it so I had to get a D704. Oh, the D704's turning mechanism died
| too.
|
| Yes, they're junk.
|
| Mike
What is it you do to your players such that they die?
I've over 4000 play hours on my CLD-D704 and I use it whenever I want to watch
a movie while eating a meal.
The only glitch I've ever had with the 704 was when I put a warped LD into
it (played fine, BTW) but the drawer wouldn't open due to the disc's warp, so
I had to remove the cover and push down on the LD to get it out the front.
Interestingly, my CLD-D704 is my only player that'll play the original LD of
SUPERGIRL (there's some weird shit on the 2nd side that even gave my HLD-X9s
and CLD-99 a hard time -- the aluminum reflective layer is actually wavy).
In my experience, the CLD-D704 is a better player than the CLD-99.